Seamless mitered corners with handtools and easy jigs.
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- Make perfect miters with hand-tools using two easy jigs you can build from scraps!
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Your smile at that giant cast iron mitre box has a delightful serial killer quality to it =D THIS is why I donate; YET ANOTHER THING TO MAKE.
Yeah, I can be creepy when i try...or when I don't.
Great Rex!
Reminded me of Doomguy's face, when he picks up a weapon.
You can call that saw the 'BFS'.
@@RexKrueger presenting Rex Kreuger: The Demon Woodworker of UA-cam
Sorry, Rex, but that smile looks like someone just gave you a bag of chocolate flavored meth. With mint.
the big stanley miter saw.. my wife found one and swears by it.. and gets the same look on her face when she uses it.. :D
Doesn't that worry you? :D
@@Jules_Pew naw... my wife says it's same look i get when I pick up my favorite ryoba saw or big top-end bowl chisel....
I think we need a video dedicated to that giant mitre saw. I need to know EVERYTHING about it * - *
As a beginner woodworker you have some of the most helpful videos available. They're easy to digest, and you always make sure to differentiate whats important and whats just nice. Watching some of the advanced furniture making channels would make you think everything has to be accurate within a micron sometimes
Finally someone who posts for hobbyists 👍. I've seen so many videos on miter joints and they show a hue workshop with fancy table saw and table routers 🤷
there's a reason for all the tools, this take 2 hours just to make 1 miter joint.
This was full of helpful information, particularly the part about using opposite sides of a 90 degree angle to cancel out discrepancies. I NEVER would have thought of that.
Glad to help!
Yeah, the old man who trained me made his miter box per job, along with his sawhorses. The customer got to keep them both. He also tested new hires by how good and how much time it took them to make a pair of horses. He hired me and even bragged on my horses. I still didn't get to actually work on anything for almost a year. He said my tools (you had to provide your own) could be left at home for a "good long spell." All I needed was my back lol.
Great story! Love it.
This reminds me of the documentary Jiro Dreams of Sushi (amazing doco btw, worth a watch) where his apprentice spent 3 months and 200+ attempts to make a perfect tamagoyaki (Japanese style omelette) before he was allowed to make anything else. It's a slog but you get good!
Conrad Roberts it’s a must :) splendide movie and splendide philosophie.
Well, you were taught properly.
Conrad Roberts such a remarkable movie
Rex: "You really can get a perfect right-angle...you just need to be patient."
Me: "Patience! Why didnt I think of that?!"
What a brilliant pair of jigs. The mitre shooting board in particular for fine tuning a mitre. I'm looking forward to making and using.
The miter shooting board is a fantastic idea! I would have never thought of doing anything like this.
Hi Rex, I've just made your mitre shooting board and the first test looks spot on. Next step is the picture frame...hope the 4th corner matches up! Thanks for all the great ideas🤓
I have a Craftsman miter box that was my Dads, it's from the early 60s'. I am making a cabinet as well and so far so good.
"And then, things spiralled utterly out of control"
The story of my life ...
HA !!! Sidetracked... story of my life... head into the shop to build one thing, end up building several others including several jigs to help me get back on track with the first project. Love this video and can't wait till next week to see what you do. Hope you and your family are doing well Rex !!! Stay safe and keep the videos coming.
Great tutorial Rex! You came up with ideas I had not thought of before. Thanks for making and sharing this.
Used Disten hand saws for 50 years bought a Japanese hand saw with the double blade last year... love it will never not have one. The disten runs circles on long rips 48 to 96 inches but for smaller stuff wow these saws kick buttt.
Thanks for the knowledge on how to make these Jigs , Rex !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is great! Thank you, as always!
Love the ear protection when he’s using the hand saw! 😊
Thank you Rex;
The stuff that I do around the home really can't justify the cost of expensive power tools so I'm glad to be able to follow your tutorials ^_^
Glad to help! This kind of thing is great for home repairs like fixing trim.
1:37 I never laughed out loud at a woodworking video until now. The expression is priceless.
It's fun to watch you refine your video product techniques.
Great video! I need to get back into my shop.
Yes, you do!
That miter shooting plane is really nice and reminds me of the kumiko jigs I use to trim down small pieces of wood at various angles
I watched Pask Makes doing kumiko and the results are stunning but I don't think there's enough Ritalin in the world to keep me on task for that long 😅
Speaking of those old Stanley miter boxes, I recently got one at a garage sale and would love a video on restoring it! It's next on the docket after the 3 planes I bought from the same guy. It was an exciting garage sale to say the least.
Great information. I love your woodworking for humans series.
Boy oh Boy - You've got some seriously sharp planes !!! Great Video.
Rex…. I freaking love your videos 😂😂
“Things spiraled completely out of control” 😂😂
When I see a person holding a huge saw and smiling like a madman, I’m thinking, ‘There’s a happy guy!’
I'm usually thinking "No I won't go into your basement or garage and no I won't visit your house on Halloween"
Great project Rex, thanks. I wish you would have done this a year ago when I made a miter shooting board.
Thanks!!
Effing genius. Actually solved a problem today.
Thank you!
Found your channel and went though some of your older videos. Just wanted to say great content keep up the awesome work. Thanks for all you do.
Thanks, will do!
I use a jorgensen miter saw and I love it but I love to learn other ways. Great video.
Very nice digression!
The challenge for me has been to get the final corner to meet exactly on a rectangular work piece with mitered corners. Perhaps you could talk about that in the next video. Thanks for all your efforts so far.
cut 1mm longer than you need, then use shooting board until reaching down the size
Nice job , tank you
This is an amazing video loved it.
One minute in and I'm thinking - this is gonna be good!
good vid - funny mitre-box bit!
Pretty fantastic job, Rex! Awesome! 😃
I need to make those as well!!! 😬
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
You too!
This is actually smart
Awesome!
This is my miter saw here. It owns, it OWNS!
Haha, now that you mention it, Rex does look a little like FPS Doug!
Your so informative, thank you!☺
No, thank you!
My wife gets tired of me making jigs lol. I think jigs are my favorite things to make.
You should do a coffee table, none of that farmhouse antique stuff. A nice coffee table.
I don't like making jigs, but it seems like half my time is spent making jigs.
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I bought one of the newer versions of those engineer-looking mitre saws with the two axis guides & the big blade, & not a particularly cheap one. It was terrible; old or don't bother is best for anyone looking to get one, I had to return it.
In the end, I opted for one of those hugeass motorised compound mitre saws, but that's a real pain to key in fine adjustments on. The best result & easiest wear-free jig I've built was to do away with the sawing through a piece of wood & just make a single large block with 90° on one end & 45° on the other. Then I epoxied neodymium disc magnets to it & used it with my Japanese pullsaw. The zero-set on those saws means it doesn't hack up the magnets & they ensure that the saw can't twist or bend in the cut, plus it's bulky enough to let me do crosscut mitres on wide boards (held vertically) for box sides too. The block being open on both ends makes it far easier to see the line you're cutting & working to, along with letting you plane that angle to extreme precision, & the thickness of the magnets keeps the saw from ever contacting the block itself so it'll never get worn or lose its angle (until you hit metal & add set to the saw).
Of course I still eventually managed to wreck it, but mk.2 will have some plastic (undecided on type or PTFE yet) over the magnets & add a 30° angle too, because I love me a hexagon, & I want to split the block(s) so it can act as an inverted saddle for the workpiece, whilst being adjustable so it can be narrowed for smaller work & locked in place with a butterfly bolt or something. It'll be a big, fiddly project & I might just set some T-track to ensure everything remains in line, but once finished it should outlast the saw I use with it.
This sounds awesome, especially for board ends. However, a picture of this jig would best fill in the questions I have.
@@michaelallenyarbrough9503 If only I could draw. Think two corner brackets with flanges that have magnets in, that attach to one another around the board using a T track system like m2020 aluminium extrusion. The track would allow for adjustment to accomodate larger or smaller pieces, the cutting angle is set & maintained by the flanges with magnets to hold the blade. This design must mechanically have a minimum board size it could hold &, depending on how large a range you need to cover, extending it would make things less supportive, so we fix that by having extra flange bits on hinges that can be flipped over and onto the rails for when you need to cut a wider/thicker board, & then fold back up & out of the way for smaller boards.
I've not been able to even prototype this yet due to a house move, having no workshop at the new place, & poor health, but my in-brain testing says it'll work if it can be made rigid enough. The one potential issue with these magnetic blade guides is doing low angle cuts, but since this one will act like a saddle it means you can cut through the 90° face even if you're doing a very low angle mitre on the other one, & magnets would still support the blade on both sides of the board. Compound angles would probably not work at all though.
Great content. Nice job
Before you use your plane on a shooting board, make sure to break the edge on the side of the iron. That thing can be quite sharp. I learned this the hard way when I noticed my hand was bleeding after pushing my plane with my hand on on top of it. You can also put a strip of tape on the exposed edge.
legend
That giant mitre saw!
I audibly gasped when you hit that screw. Oh man do I know that feeling...
I subscribed because SUPERMAN can't do what you can!
Totally agree with the polyethylene
I prefer a DeWalt Miter saw. When I was using it all day every day, I got to where I could make super tight miters. In one case, I had to miter 5 pieces to go around a column thing half way out of a wall. the other guys were gluing and screwing the things, so I just set it in place for them to attach... the fit was so good they stayed in place by themselves and the guys missed the fact it wasn't attached... until the boss happened to bump into it and they fell down. they got hollered at, of course, but from then on I was the only one allowed to use the miter saw for that job.
Love your look at 1:44!;)
Ha! First time here, so I thought to myself. Why not use a mitre saw?
Amazing stuff!
That face with the precision mitre saw.
Rex, I have a project coming up that will need many clamps for gluing. Thought I would suggest a set of clamps to you as an addition to the 'make tools yourself' portion of the Woodwork for Humans series.
I'm working on it. Designing DIY clamps for the hand-tool user is a big challenge.
@@RexKrueger Thanks Rex!
No big hurry, but your ideas always seem best for any issue I need to solve. I appreciate all you do.
I get sidetracked easily, lol, I get it. Great video.
I actually got a big miter saw like yours at a flea market for 10 dollars and it’s In immaculate condition
I liked the look of a Disston Mitre Box saw. So I bought one! Now to hunt down the old Stanley Mitre Box... or make a set of these jigs. A friend of mine has a powered mitre saw. I wonder if I could use that to make a few of the bits.
For sure! A good miter saw would make a fine Mother Tool for your miter box.
@@RexKrueger - Expect to see some photos of the restored saw on the discourse or patreon pages! I'll make myself one of your mitre jigs - that way, I know that a Stanley mitre box will turn up for a good price about a week after I finish making one.
The shelf under my bench is slowly filling up with these home made appliances and jigs. You've really inspired me to get making and wood working again.
2 cuts to a perfect miter, William Ng, will show how to make a double 45 , 45 degree both sides, simple easy fast, wish I learned it 45 years ago. Time wasted seeing up miter cuts would have put a child thru collage.
“I’m leaning more toward Western tools these days.” Why, Rex? Seems like a great topic for a video. Perhaps a collaborative video with someone (like Adrian Preda?) who favors Eastern tools.
Your head is looking PARTICULARLY shiny in this intro, Rex. What are you using? Paste wax or BLO?
LED lighting!
It took me a while to realise that you were talking about mitres.
I work in a joinery shop in the uk and we use a Morso guillotine which makes a perfect mitre every time its actually so easy but when I'm off like I am atm with lockdown I have been struggling with the crappy plastic mitre box to cut beads for a pair of doors I made
Those plastic ones are tough!
I finally bought carpentry chisels yesterday
Now I need something good and flat to sharpen them against
It's called "plate glass".
Thank you for sharing this video. I'm going to try it. On a picture frame, if the bottom long piece has been cut short, I was thinking of cutting the top long piece short (same length as the top) as well, but widening the rabbet. Would this work?
new camera, rex? looking good. love the idea of using both sides of the factory corner to cancel out the error.
I've had this camera for about 6 months, but it really does help.
I understand what you said about making a miter, but what about the second miter? Do you cut it a little long and sneak up on it with the shooting board and a fit then shooting board and another fit? Bruce from the City of Orange in Orange county Calif.
Bruce, you have it exactly. Cut long and shoot it in. Perfect.
I just bought one on those giant stanly miter boxes like you have with a 28 inch disston saw for 40 bucks
I have a serious question here. I suffer from upper back pain due to numerous things (not all of which I can control) and so woodworking has always been intimidating. I remember discovering my back problems when swinging an axe as a teenager.
What do you recommend for me to get back into woodworking (in terms of hand tools or equipment) that's easy on the back? I'd love to get into turning, but I can't stomach spending a lot of money just to find out that the lathe is unusable because of my back. Leaning over a workbench for more than half an hour, especially when supporting items with my hands, is out of the question.
I'm delighted that I found your channel a week ago; I've watched a ton of your videos in that time. Thank you for what you do.
Great video and videos in general. But I've only got about 6 bits of bathroom trim to cut so I guess I should just go get a cheap mitre block
Instead of salt, which is soluble, you can use a few grains of soft/play sand, which is insoluble and doesn't react with the glue.
Setting up the miter shooting board like this, based on a true square board is brilliant. Really. But when you have this shooting board there is no need for the complicated miter jig. Anything will do, even no jig. Shooting a 45 angle is much easier than planing end grain. Slight differences in length of one of the pieces is corrected equally easy. As long as you remember on which side of the square the part needs held while planing.
hi i great video i just wanted to ask why you were using your tenon saw on crosscut and doesnt that not damage the blade
It doesnt damage the blade at all. It's totally normal practice. I honestly can't imagine what other see I'd use.
Rex, is that a Kunz no 4 handplane you are using in this video? I have it and there is hardly any information about it online. I think its brilliant, tho I havent used any other premium planes or even a good vintage Stanley from the 1920s-1930s
Rex, where can I find those Delfina Guide Blocks? I’ve been looking for those after seeing them in this video. Oh yea, nice show. I learned a lot. Thanks man.
Aah, this video is awesome, I really enjoyed watching you make all these things to get perfect miters... it really made me glad I have a nice radial arm saw and know how to true it up.
Hi! I know this is a bit out of topic, but I can see in the video that you use a smoothing plane that is unknown to me. Which brand is it? Is it any good?
I've been looking for a stanley no.4 for a little bit more than a year, but where I live (Puerto Rico) their expensive and a bit hard to find a good example on the internet and there aren't any places that sell vintage tools. I would like to know a little bit more about the brands that your using in the video. Thank you very much for you knowledge and your dedication on these videos!! I appreciate it very much!
I just searched on ebay...
I was surprised how cheap those fancy cast iron miters are, even with the saw.
Like 30-50 bucks. If I didn't already have a chopsaw that does the job....
Rex: you sure need those top poly if you have a bigger square in the back…?
One question @rex If you are making picture frames you need the sides to be the same length, if you are planing the ends to get the angles aren’t you making them shorter maybe by different amounts?? how would you take that into account or correct?
You're right, but if you shoot them in, then they'll only fit when they are the correct length.
@@RexKrueger Start bigger than they need and work down to the right size?
@@landofhopeandglory - if you think about it, you'll realise how silly your question is. The *WHOLE* idea of the shooting board is to finalise the angle and the length. Whether it's a 90 degree, a 45 degree or a zero degree surface plane, the concept is exactly the same.
Hello Rex! I got one question: does the blade of the plane need to be round? or a flat smooth blade does the work?
Cause in my mind the blade will catch the shooting board itself as it passes, am i wrong?
Keep doing this videos!!
Exactly what I was thinking.
Rex, the miter shooting board is short, and seems to only work for thin stock, like moulding and picture frames. how would you make this better for taller boards, around 6-8 inches for a box?
What brand is that brass backed saw?
@1:35 we have a saw like that at my work's woodshop, found it buried in a corner.
For the life of me I couldn't figure out why it was so big LOL
guess I need to do some more digging to see if there's a miter-box hidden somewhere to go with it
edit: also can confirm that is the face I make while hefting that saw :D
You must find the box. They work really well!
Does the Nobex Champion seem good to you?
You should make a Donkey Ear Shooting Board attachment. They are better and easier to use.
Great video Rec. But what happens when you take off too much? Especially when it's for a front of a piece'. I guess you do it over.
Loved it! If you dont mind I'd like to make this on one of my vids. I'll give you full credit ofcourse
Go for it!
@@RexKrueger thanks man!
My favorite is when things go off the rails
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Is that a kunz plane ? The norris style one ?
Yup. I like it a lot. Review to follow.
I just noticed the lying press hanging on the wall. Were you, or are you still, a bookbinder?
I must admit, I have no idea what that is. Perhaps you mean the thing with 2 screws? We call that a "bench screw".
@@ElliotNesterman Looks very similar to what woodworkers call a moxxon vise.
I really need a video on how to fix the 3° error on my compound miter saw. I've tried tuning it up and really don't want to got to hand tools for every corner but this might be what I need
One of the circular saw contraptions? You can usually shim the joints a bit.
@@FreeOfFantasy sounds kinda sketchy. I'd be scared the shim would come loose when it's spinnamathinging. I sorta worry about being able to count to ten without having to use my toes.
@@Ikantspell4 If you go on McMaster-Carr or Amazon you can find washer shims, along with slotted shims that go around the bolts and won't come loose. But honestly, just make this jig, get a good saw and don't look back. I bought a bunch of power tools back in December when I bought a house, and I've barely used then since I got a bunch of decent hand tools. They just take too much time, and make too much mess compared to using hand tools. Especially when I'm only making 1-5 of something. If I need to build a shed then its worth it, but if I'm just trimming a board a good handsaw takes 30 seconds and makes almost no noise.
How about you build the shooting board and just shoot the joints that you need perfect? For everything else, just use the saw the way it is.
@@Ikantspell4 you don't shim the blade, that would only get you a wider saw kerf, you shim the mechanism that rotates/tilts the arm. Also you could add a carefully angled bord to offset your material by 3° in the other direction.
In software engineering, the pertinent term is “yak shaving”
Pertinent term for WHAT?
dog washing
@@RexKrueger google is your friend
Yak shaving refers to a task, that leads you to perform another related task and so on, and so on - all distracting you from your original goal. This is sometimes called “going down the rabbit hole.”
@@RexKrueger seths.blog/2005/03/dont_shave_that/
@@MatthewMakesAU I have always (in my own life) referred to that as the "but, first" syndrome. Now I find out its a real thing (it must be real if came from MIT, right?? :D ) Thank you for giving me a justifiable phrase to use.
The vid is about mitre saws (expensive), but the comment mentions mitre boxes (well cheap)
I ordered 2 planes 17336 and 17333 but no download? I could email so I do not know what I do next? It is probably me but?? HELP
I haven’t seen a miter jack being used by anybody. Are they that uncommon?
They are very uncommon. You pretty much have to build one....which I will, eventually.
I do not have, at present, a mitre shooting board. Tomorrow I will. Thanks eh.