Thank you for this awesome test! The Urbans don't mess around. But still, the Royals, as we see, are really really good. Looking forward for the same kind of no-guard-mode test with Armored Hoplites and maybe even Pharaoh's Guards if you found this test interesting. Cheers!
Awesome video! You don't want to allow them to flank you! When guard mode is off, you can keep the unit in formation fighting while you widen the line! You can also move in formation through or turn!
You must be new here because that's not the point. If the phalanx is widened, then the Roman line should be widened as well. If the phalanx can be repositioned, the Roman should be able to reposition and throw all their pila. Besides, a lot of the flanking happens naturally like at 6:54, the urban cohort pushes right through, I don't think spreading the phalanx further is going to help.
@@aretiredsubberl7036 What I found most impressive was that some of the units actually pushed through the phalanx (though flanking was rather useful as well) :) Thanks for the comment.
If you bet 1 line more, the places of fallen warriors will be taken by soldiers from the back lines. If you press cancel the order, the phalanx will rebuild to its normal form.
Based on some testing at least vs. Romans without Guard Mode seems to perform slightly better but imo it also depends on a situation. In bigger battles the key for phalanxes is to keep flanks secured. And without guard mode that becomes more difficult. So, in campaign I would keep the guard mode on as default :) Thanks for the comment.
:D That might be interesting. Btw. are Forresters fast unit? If not, I think Camels but e.g. Bastarnae might beat them in running competition :) Thanks for the comment.
@@qualityoldgames7721 The foresters are fast moving and have "Very good stamina," I'm not sure if any other unit has that trait. Regardless, should be the best or tied for the best chance of winning a race between the slower cavalry units, such as camels, elephants, war dogs, incendiary pigs, or chariots
POKE - POKE - SHTAB - SHTAB I went back and forth on this in the poll yesterday but settled on Royal Pikes. I felt semi-blind about it because even though I played Macedonian campaigns, I almost never use them. You beat Macedon's campaign with Light Lancers and Tier 2 Levy Pikemen. By the time Tier 3 Pike Phalanx appear the campaign is basically won. So even later tier units like Companion Cavalry, Royal Pikes I never use. Realistically on campaign, a Macedonian player would have to make a very concerted effort to even see Marian Reform Roman units. You're sort of forced to take on the Romans fairly early even while consolidating the Greek peninsula and they have to be dealt with. To see Marian Reform units you literally have to go out of your way and let the Romans survive while letting them spam you.
Praetorian-urban superiority is unclear. I thought they are close with small advantage in urban at least vs pikemen, but guard on-off fights makes unidentical result.
As expected, the Praetorians got obliterated. Their inferior morale and stamina shows.
What are you talking about, Praetorians won?! 😂
@@drspidermanSo the battle starting at 03:34 and ending at 04:55 was a dream or something?
They won in our hearts! 😢
Thanks for the comment. Perhaps. They did quite well vs the Guard Mode On variant. So, there might be some degree of RNG at play in this one :)
@@drspiderman You are both right. There were 2 versions of the battle. One with guard mode off and another with it on :)
Thank you for this awesome test! The Urbans don't mess around. But still, the Royals, as we see, are really really good. Looking forward for the same kind of no-guard-mode test with Armored Hoplites and maybe even Pharaoh's Guards if you found this test interesting. Cheers!
Thanks for the comment. I guess at least Armoured Hoplites could be tested but let's see about Pharaoh's Guards :)
Awesome video! You don't want to allow them to flank you! When guard mode is off, you can keep the unit in formation fighting while you widen the line! You can also move in formation through or turn!
You must be new here because that's not the point. If the phalanx is widened, then the Roman line should be widened as well. If the phalanx can be repositioned, the Roman should be able to reposition and throw all their pila. Besides, a lot of the flanking happens naturally like at 6:54, the urban cohort pushes right through, I don't think spreading the phalanx further is going to help.
Thanks for the comment. Agreed, though then the Romans would widen their formation as well ;)
@@aretiredsubberl7036 What I found most impressive was that some of the units actually pushed through the phalanx (though flanking was rather useful as well) :) Thanks for the comment.
If you bet 1 line more, the places of fallen warriors will be taken by soldiers from the back lines. If you press cancel the order, the phalanx will rebuild to its normal form.
Thanks for the comment. Agreed that what you say is more effective. In this test, the tactics were limited for both sides :)
I have a question does guard mode on phalanx help or hurt it??? I’ve always played on default which I think is on… correct me if I’m wrong
Based on some testing at least vs. Romans without Guard Mode seems to perform slightly better but imo it also depends on a situation. In bigger battles the key for phalanxes is to keep flanks secured. And without guard mode that becomes more difficult. So, in campaign I would keep the guard mode on as default :) Thanks for the comment.
00:34 I thought you were gonna use your general to attack 🤣
The temptation is real! :D (Tbh, I just selected it so that the unit selection markers are not shown in the battle) Thanks for the comment.
Who would win in a race to the other side of the map? Cataphract Camels or Forester Warband? If foresters win, maybe regular catas :)
:D That might be interesting. Btw. are Forresters fast unit? If not, I think Camels but e.g. Bastarnae might beat them in running competition :) Thanks for the comment.
@@qualityoldgames7721 The foresters are fast moving and have "Very good stamina," I'm not sure if any other unit has that trait. Regardless, should be the best or tied for the best chance of winning a race between the slower cavalry units, such as camels, elephants, war dogs, incendiary pigs, or chariots
@@Clowyd Well, that would be hilarious :D And thanks for the additional info. I will add that to TO-Do list :)
I think you need to start putting "tactics are not a concern" at the start of every video, otherwise people are going to go nuts. lmao
I guess that would be wise :) Thanks for the comment.
POKE - POKE - SHTAB - SHTAB
I went back and forth on this in the poll yesterday but settled on Royal Pikes. I felt semi-blind about it because even though I played Macedonian campaigns, I almost never use them. You beat Macedon's campaign with Light Lancers and Tier 2 Levy Pikemen. By the time Tier 3 Pike Phalanx appear the campaign is basically won. So even later tier units like Companion Cavalry, Royal Pikes I never use.
Realistically on campaign, a Macedonian player would have to make a very concerted effort to even see Marian Reform Roman units. You're sort of forced to take on the Romans fairly early even while consolidating the Greek peninsula and they have to be dealt with. To see Marian Reform units you literally have to go out of your way and let the Romans survive while letting them spam you.
Thanks for the comment. Agreed. The game can cause quite a few problems for good players as they beat it too quickly ;D
Praetorian-urban superiority is unclear. I thought they are close with small advantage in urban at least vs pikemen, but guard on-off fights makes unidentical result.
Thanks for the comment. There is always an element of RNG involved. Urban Cohort is better overall statswise and they also have better stamina :)
13:00 The moment when he rattles his weapon across the spears in a running rally?
Indeed. He took out several royal pikes and I was rooting for him to survive the battle :D Thanks for the comment.