Connor Bedard is Proof the NHL Combine is a Joke
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Fitness training is important for becoming a better hockey player, but fitness testing means next to nothing about how good a player is.
Connor Bedard put up average results (except in pull-ups where he crushed), but he is still a generational prospect because of what he can do on the ice.
'Connor McDavid turned out to be decent player'
Cmon, clear sarcasm
Who?
I was gonna say this exact thing
Also Ukraine sucks
What I was just coming to comment
Hahahaha ‘decent’
"I play real sports. Not trying to be the best at exercising."
Kenny Powers
Amen
Hockey is a real sport
@@Oilersfan1818 That's the point: he excels at a real sport, not just exercising well. Watch "Eastbound and Down".
@@Oilersfan1818maybe in Canada but the skill level required is nothing compared to real sports like Football, Basketball, and Baseball
@@Boscoe264 you serious? Out of those, baseball is the only one that requires extreme talent, a normal person can run and catch, and basketball requires one to be 7 feet tall no skill, but baseball... a normal person could do everything in baseball EXCEPT hit the ball, that's impossible for a normal person, about as impossible as skating around the ice at 20mph. So you're wrong bud. To be honest, hockey is the hardest sport solely due to the fact that it's played on ice. People play other sports just for fun with a group of buddies, but try throwing your group of friends on the ice for a nice pick up game of hockey LoL good luck, half of them won't even be able to move.
Bro called mcjesus decent 💀
he has yet to win a game in the conference finals lol
It’s called sarcasm bro lol
@@Jonthetraveller I know bro lol
That was clearly the joke
Yeah that was the joke
Gretzky could barely do 10 pushups and look at the career he had.
He could do a hundred when he retired. Professional sports had changed a lot by then
He was a cardio machine! Read his book
@@yaboyharry Good to know.
Yeah he was half decent
That vertical took me out 😅
Bruh looks like a middle school kid jumping ii stg 🤣🤣
That's the vertical of someone trying to get out of playing in Edmonton
There was a quarterback that wasn't drafted until the 199th pick in the NFL draft in 2000 because none of the teams were impressef with him.during the combines. He was Tom.Brady.
Don't you mean he was Tom. Fucking. Brady?
Yet how many teams draft someone out of nowhere because of combine numbers. College stats be damned
Luc Robataille was thought to have no skating ability. He wasn't drafted till the ninth round of the 1984 draft.
Three Cups (2 LA, 1 DRW), several trips to the ASG, a number retirement and induction into the HHOF later, the pundits scratch their heads and ask, "What did LA see in Robataille?"
Wow, bud.
I think Tom Brady has proven that the Combine doesn’t always measure how good a player will be.
But yet teams are dumb enough to draft someone solely on a 40 time
It's good to get an idea of someone's fitness level. Just because the test doesn't show on-ice talent, doesn't mean it's not useful
Especially with later round picks. It helps GM’s gauge fitness levels in players, in turn giving them more information on said later round pick players.
If there's no correlation it seems rather unnecessary unless someone shits the bed completly their performance on the rink should be enough.
@@Omdus123 You really think there is no correlation between athletic ability and being a good hockey player?
@@kristo2037 There is probably some, do you think Usain Bolt is a good hockey player?
@@Omdus123 So you do take it back, there is actual correlation.
Pretty sure Usain Bolt doesn't know how to skate. Name a guy in the combine that doesn't know how to skate.
I know it was in the NFL but a long time ago there was this guy who figured out teams were way too worried about the combine. He decided to not play his last year of college football and instead take a year off and train only the drills that were tested at the combine. He scored extremely well and was drafted. I could be wrong here but I don’t think he ever played a single regular season snap
“Turned out to be a decent player”
lol says that as he shows a picture of McDavid with a bunch of trophies
one of my professors who supervised some combines said it probably makes sense to treat it like a physical that needs to be passed rather than benchmarking/ranking, ie if a prospect can't broad jump/bench over X then there might be cause for concern
Casey Middlestadt is doing just fine and he couldn't even do a single pull up at the combine.
I dont know about NHL teams but NFL you put up a very impressive 40 time will.move you up a couple rounds it's so dumb.
@@darksaga80 right, but if you had two players who were equal in every way, and one could do pullups and the other couldn't, wouldn't you at least want to know that before you consider investing?
r4328 Absolutely. I agree when you start taking chances on guys fir millions of dollars it should all count.
You need no lore proof than Mittlestadts draft stock plummeted after his showing in the combine and he ended up going 8th overall when most thought he was a top three pick.
He also struggled in his first two years and was widely considered a bust.
He's managed to turn his career around even with his poor start.
@@jasonrekker4328
There's zero correlation between having strong lats and playing Hockey lmao
this video has nothing to do with connor bedard. scouts see players on ice abilities and hockey iq in every game they play throughout their season, however there are very strict rules and consequences for fitness testing prior to the combine, Arizona was caught testing before the combine and lost a 1st and 2nd round draft pick just 3 seasons ago. So if it’s so worthless, why are teams sneaking around risking money and draft picks for this information? The truth is any information you can get on a player is worth something.
you would think a channel named “hockeytraining” would know some of this, but you would be wrong..
it’s almost as if there isn’t a single person that’s the best at everything and people want to find out what someone is the best at and what they could still improve a lot at😂
well that is Arizona though... not a great judge of what NHL teams do
@@Taylor-gb5gfbut other teams must think it's important, or they would not care if teams were doing it.
@@Taylor-gb5gfI would bet that they are probably just the only ones that got caught.
It's just a general fitness/athleticism test, dude... teams don't use it to determine draft positions... an immensely talented kid who's to lazy to put in effort is just another indication of commitment
“And he turned out to be a decent player”
It was a joke
You produce a standardized baseline for all players entering. This isn't just testing done to scout potential that might have otherwise gone unnoticed, this is to track progress and averages down the line.
Except if the baseline is trash then any data you can get from it will also be trash
@@usernaames So if I test you on your intelligence it won't matter because the data will be trash
Let’s see how Hall will help him out and if they can become line mates
they prolly will be on the first like together
You called that one. They are looking great together
Calling Mcjesus decent is the funniest thing I’ve ever heard.
It was the biggest understatement of our generation to date.😂😂😂😂
He was being sarcastic
@@scotteckart1401 really? I totally didn’t get that…
NHL trying to be like football so bad. fitness tests barely translate compared to football. There are some Hall of Famers that would absolutely suck at this. Most of the freak guys talk about on their team weren’t anything more than guys with extreme endurance. The yoked up gym mutants can carve out good careers for themselves, Some even become stars, but testing high draft picks like this, like it has any bearing on what they are able to do out there is silly.
Hockey is a game of skill. Football is a game of almost pure athleticism. Someone could walk into football late if they are a good enough athlete. That is impossible in hockey. You pretty much have to start playing at five or six years old or you'll never catch up.
NHL has had a combine for decades.
Uhh, I don’t think you understand the magnitude of even an ELC. These teams are investing millions into these players via contracts, scouting, training, etc. These combines are a necessity. Your opinion isn’t deep enough to understand.
1m per isn't really a big deal. The issue is the draft is the primary way to acquire talent. If you draft someone with no talent, you just fell behind the rest of the league.
Conor McDavid turned out to be a decent player…… thats was the understatement of our generation.
Gretzky would have done 0 pull-ups
They should have tested his chin
It's not a joke. You don't need a combine to figure out you should draft Connor Bedard. 31 teams didn't have that option. When you're drafting 23rd, you need every bit of info to distinguish the remaining prospects from each other.
The combine isn’t to see how strong or how fast a player is it’s more to see the compete level of players and how hard they push themselves.
Reminds me of the ACT/SAT
Guy Lafleur used to smoke cigarettes during games, sniff cocaine and do speed balls... Fitness is over rated...
Ya he also played in a time where players had summer jobs. His estimated career earnings is 400k.
Don’t get me wrong I love Guy and it’s isn’t a knock to him but we have to be honest. The worst player in todays NHL is probably better then him back then. And if you moved him up to today. He wouldn’t have been doing all that or he would be in a beer league somewhere.
@@jhenz1926the worst player in todays NHL is a 100goal scorer in Guy Lafleurs era, on skating ability alone. Old time comparisons are an absolute joke tbh. This is comin from an old guy.
@@b3n751 that was the point. This guy said Guy Lafleur smoked cigarettes on the bench therefore fitness doesn’t matter. The game has changed. Fitness does matter.
@@jhenz1926No, his biggest YEAR is 400k. He made $3.5m.
The only sport where a combine really means anything is football. It's the only sport where you can give a 16 year old kid soem gloves and a helmet, and he can dominate after never hearing about the sport his entire life. You hand a 16 year old kid skates and a stick and he'll be on all fours trying to crawl around on the ice.
Really don't get a combine for hockey! It's not the nfl and if there not testing things like on ice speed and agility it's pointless
So true
If combines existed in the 70's, The Great One would have finished last
And Tom Brady was horrible in NFL combine as well
I think it’s more so those specific tests, I bet if you brought out the balance boards/ slack lines etc , made the test much more dynamic you could get an idea. Weird they don’t have like an on ice combine, do they?
Nah,the combine is to see where exactly you sit at a player and his stats are spot on. He's over hyped and unless he grows some marbles and realizes hitting and being aggressive is a part of hockey he's not going far at all
For this reason alone, I feel like select player should be invited to combines not everyone top player should not have to waste their time doing irrelevant exercises
I couldn't do pushups. My shoulders have a physiology that prevents doing well. However I can do full extension pushups and vertical pushups just fine.
A full extension pushup is where your hands and toes are in contact with the ground with your hands as far away from your feet as you can reach. Then push away from the ground. I could do 3 when I was a freshman in college. Nobody I knew could do even one.
The other kind is done from a handstand against a wall, facing away from the wall. Do 5. A few of my friends on the wrestling and football teams could do as many as I could. One close friend could do 20. He was a gymnast until an injury then became a cheerleader. Other than my brother and grandfather, he was the strongest person I knew.
If you ever research strength, look up the berserkers in Scandinavia. We're descendants of that lot.
I use to do the US developmental camps and would score the lowest on every test except for sprints. I still destroyed everyone at the regional and state levels, hockey IQ is much more valuable than athleticism.
Gretzky couldn’t even bench 115 pounds or something like that. All these tests mean nothing for the game of hockey.
So true. The reason is simple. If they spent all their time doing pull ups and pushups and long jumps, they'd do much better at those in the combine. I'm glad they spend that time playing HOCKEY instead so that they're great at that.
New test, the Bedard Test: Skate into a stationary rubber dummy and see if it breaks your jaw
I've heard that the combine is used to help identify potential injuries. Sam Bennett couldn't do a single pull up then needed shoulder surgery within a year
It is to get an idea of all aspects of the prospects athleticism but in hockey skill can beat speed and strength sometimes.
Lots more of average-ish built nhl players than football. Those guys are specimens
Please don't compare Bedard to McDavid. Bedard won't lead his team to be the laughing stock of the NHL while failing every year to get a cup. He's much more of a team player and thank god he's not being wasted on a canadian team.
Chicago struck gold but need it for sure although as a flyers fan I wish we could have him he’s gonna be a a even bigger name after a season or two
the combine needs to be speed of shot reaction time on passes, accuracy, and skating speed with and without the puck.
So, I'm going to play devil's advocate a bit here, because I think you're right that the fitness tests are not causal indicators, but they are highly correlary, and they also show potential. If you score poorly on these tests, your potential for the highest level of play is lowered. Just because you can find outliers that don't necessarily fit the mold, doesn't mean the mold is bad, it just means it's imperfect, which we all know is the case.
Imagine having a combine for your sport where you don't even play the sport😂. Last time I saw hockey pretty sure they had skates on, weren't doing much jumping, and definitely didn't see any players doing pull ups. Proof NHL leadership is a joke
Combine and first year says he needs to hit the weight room, way too small.
They should have some on-ice drills.
I think this test is more when it’s hard to see which is better. Not when there’s clearly someone who is better
Phil Kessel was showed up with a beer belly and just then just dominated on ice. He was a true beauty 🥲
nah he really said Connor mcdavid is decent
Do you people not understand sarcasm? He literally showed a picture of him with a tonne of silverware - its a painfully obvious joke......
@@jameskilgour387 Tons of young people (even pre teens) in the YT comments sections.
The combine has never pretended to be a scouting report or represents how good a player is. Its just a way for teams to get additional data.
The thing is to be Connor Bedard you can’t finish last. You don’t have to get the very best results at combine but to be elite at his sports takes some skill and dedication which guaranteed he will not be last
McDavid is not just a decent player he's the best in the nhl today
It was a joke…
@@alexcaruso530 still
Litotes - a rhetorical device characterized by deliberate understatement. Nobody thinks Connor McDavid is an average hockey player.
True he’s more than decent
It’s pageantry to align itself with other major sports, the only thing this could really gauge is if the kid takes fitness seriously coming in to the draft and it might give you the window into their character, but you’re absolutely right it does nothing to measure how good they are, like it does in the other sports.
the combine is an insurance policy for the NHL. It is insurance that your body can handle the pressures put on it during an 82 game season.
It’s very important to train both, can you imagine how much crazier bedard would be if he was just a bit more athletic. Leaving a lot on the table
For a 17 year old his fitness and athleticism seem to be great.
Bro, "decent player"? Why are you hating on the dude for? 😂
Why are you not understanding sarcasm?
@@jerejokinen3199 I think sometimes we forget there's tons of really really young people on the Internet. I don't know if YT comments sections has an age restriction, but there's a whole lot of 9 or 10 years olds out there surfing.
Why do they even have a combine in hockey ? This isn’t football
I mean Connor bedard didn’t exactly light up the preseason games he was in either he had some moments but the big defenders just blocked him off the puck
when going from amateur to professional level..
wouldnt it be nice if you already knew that your projected 18 year old draft pick whos only been playing against kids has the same VO2, lateral and backward skating speed as cale makar?
thats important info.
They don't do on-ice testing unfortunately. That would make more sense
It's been said many times before, but Gretzky was not known for excelling physically at anything. He wasn't the fastest, the strongest, hardest shot. The game is, was, and always will be 90% mental. It's too fast and complex for this not to be true
These combines are really only applicable to the NFL in my opinion… and even then you can find plenty of exceptions to the rule. But that’s a sport where your physical speed & strength being tested makes much more sense.
Do they have a reaction test? If not they should. Use the light reaction test like race car drivers use.
I gambled and picked him in the 3rd round of my fantasy league. No one wanted to pick him because of people were scared he's not going to be a star. I think his shot alone will give him an edge. And, he's is in really great shape. McDavid had the body of a 13 year old and still became the best player in the NHL. Bedard's legs look like Crosby's (who I can't stand but he has legs like tree trunks).
He shouldn’t have even bothered. This was beneath him.
Thats true of every sport tbh. Every year or two in the nfl combine somebody runs an insane 40 but they arent always stars in the nfl
My only thing is why don't they have the combine on ice
Isolating a muscel is one thing but not a goal in itself, you must look at the total package. Gretzky, Lemieux, Jagr or evem McDavid are far from being the strongest guys on the ice, but they are still the best when it comes to playing hockey.
Wasn't it RNH who said something like "what does bench press have to do with hockey?" He's right.
Yet hockey is the most physically demanding sport
Not really
How did this video prove anything with using Conor Bedard as proof?
Came here to read comments about McDavid being “a decent player”… they did not disappoint.😂
Connor McDavid is just decent huh
Sarcasm huh
Bro literally had his trophies in pic, whoooosh over your head
How many Cups has McDavid won so far? I need to adjust my McDavid Cup Tracker I have in my house. I have Gretzky at 4. Sid/Malkin at 3. Lemieux/Jagr at 2 (Lemieux cancer diagnosis maybe hurt that number). Ovi at 1. I just need to adjust my McDavid number so someone please update me.
Fitness is the baseline that the skills are built on. I’ve noticed that after not doing sports for a few years it’s pretty hard to get into hockey 🤣
Shouldn't the hockey combine be done on ice? Things like skating speed and skating maneuverabilty?
He's very well rounded
Ok. So by your standards, even if I'm fat, weak, or superskinny with no strength, just because I have superiror hockey IQ and some stick skills, I should be fine.
Bedard got demolished few times already, and he looked quite shocked each time that happened.
What you're saying might be valid in beer league but not on highest level of the sport.
The NHL combine was the league trying to copy and create hype the same way the NFL does. Basically most of the leagues decisions that make you go "Wtf" (outside of player safety) is a result of them trying to be like the NFL and capture the same audience.
Does this guy realize strength goes into your shot, literally everything in that combine one way or another coordinates to you playing on the ice.
We sell training programs for hockey players. I know how important training is. But the fitness testing they do does very little to show how good a player is.
Yes but bench presses and pull-ups don’t test wrist strength and he’s known for his wrist shot
@@jameson1239bench press most certainly tests wrist strength....
@@hockeytrainingthat's not the purpose of the combine anyway 😂😂
Did Gretzky even appear at something like this?!? Pretty sure he signed with the Indy Racers and when their league folded he went to Edmonton!
Look at Tom Brady and Gretzky in their draft year… they don’t look athletic enough to be mail men let alone the best on the planet. Connor is going to be one of the greats. First game back and has a perfect no look pass for a tap in goal.
The real testing is pre season
Mcdavid a "decent" player? This youtuber needs to go away. If there is 1000 games on, I will watch the oilers because of McDavid. He is a generational legend. He had a sit down with Gretzky and he even said same..
I remember reading that Gretzky and Lemieux weren't always the most fit at training camp but once the season started, well...
Lemieux used to have a cigarette and cup of coffee before hitting the ice in his first few seasons. Sure fitness is important but skill and understanding of the game matters more.
@@HairDom Lemieux was also a once in a lifetime player.
This didn't prove anything. The combine isn't for elite prospects. It's for borderline players and muck and grind guys.
No way it's a joke, it shows that guys are working off the ice, so you can get information on their work ethic. GMs can ask them about their training regiment, this can give you indicators on how they are processing and implementing information. A guy who could have skipped it but shows up shows you he's a competitor. There are many things outside of the actual combine numbers that give you a much more clear picture of who the prospect is and what their about. And of course the interviews at the actual combine. Any great in any sport will say you have to work hard first and then be talented. There are many talented guys who haven't panned out because they don't put the work in.
That test is just to see hiw fit someone is. Not how skilled they are
I didn’t even know they NHL had a combine 😭
Trust me nobody knew that the NHL had that
And it's not on ice...make it make sense
Hockey players have giant legs and calves. Bench press, pullups, jumping.... terrible measurements for an ice hockey player.
I agree with what you said fully
Same
Even how mcdavid is “decent”
@@canadianbacon8545 He's just being sarcastic if ur talking about the line he said
being in shape and being in hockey shape are very very different
Combines are a joke really. The fact someone in football can be decent but put up a fast 40 and all of a sudden move up in the draft is stupid.
“Turned out to be a decent player” 💀 we’re talking about McDavid rn😭
Why do they have these combines?
Realistically, its not for the top of the draft guys. Its for the we aren't quite sure where they should go guys. You have a late first rouunder to early second round guy and he put up huge fitness numbers, that puts him over the edge.
Mcdavid notorious for just not trying in stuff like this
Idk if teams would’ve drafted him 1st cuz if u don’t try in the combine how r u gonna be in practice and team meetings
Phil Kessel and Zion Williamson determined to do it differently.
i just wanna know why knowing someones horizontal jump is relevant to hockey
Did you really just call that build “yoked”? 🤦🏻♂️
You are right 50% because you don't present the fitness tests results for guys with high hokey IQ.