Harrenhal p1: Creation and Destruction - A Song of Ice and Fire - House of the Dragon
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Harrenhal is cursed - but is it cursed with magic, or cursed with very bad occupants? We'll explore its unholy creation by Black Harren and its fiery destruction by Aegon the Conqueror, and how this got the curse started. This will be part 1, with part 2 to follow this Sunday to cover all the subsequent history of mayhem and madness at this most haunted of Westerosi castles.
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The thought of Petyr Baelish being the next curse victim is one of the many reasons that keep me yearning for the Winds of Winter
Poor Petyr. ☹️ He's just keep things interesting.
The reader's yearn for more Baelish
Be honest if someone gave u that castle, given it's history, would u accept it? otherwise u get nothing. or u might even offend the powerful person who gave it to u
@@pIayingwithmahwii there are many similar examples of higher lords forcing extremely expensive or otherwise harmful 'rewards' on their vassals in order to demonstrate open-handedness while not actually giving up anything they want. Like Victarion rightly thinks to himself "Euron's gift are poisoned." Sometimes even a gift can be a weapon
@@ThommyofThennThere was a really good moment like that in Vinland Saga when a prince fully predicted his King would ‘gift’ him with lands that would essentially mean the death of him
I'm wondering what your neighbours must have made of Rhaegar standing outside your apartment and explaining his controversial Harrenhal theories. 😆
Depends on which of the five kings they support. You can't expect a fair judgement from a Lannister supporter.
@@soxpeewee That’s true. Lannister fan’s would constantly be plotting to take over the entire block.
Pretty sure he lives in California, where there is no shortage of men in wigs and fruity attire yelling about fantasy lol Everyone there is a bit off, so I doubt anyone even noticed.
Lucky neighbors
@@ThommyofThenn Yup. This channel is everything a UA-cam channel should be, delightfully madcap and deeply insightful.
Imagine spending 40 years building the best castle only for dragons to show up immediately after. It’s like the universe intentionally nerfed him.
Serious Karma
Aegon and Balerion literally said “Bet”
Very "Curb Your Enthusiasm" isn't it?
No big deal, these dragons. Stone does not burn.
So Qoherys sounds like Qohor and another Qohorik will reside at Harrenhal for a time where he will be fed his own legs. Yes we will have much to talk about on Sunday 😂💀
Let's just say it won't just be Grey Waste Tim cookin this sunday!
Pass the roast goat, please
The last time I was this early Aegon's maesters were still drawing the map of Westeros.
And the painted table was still a wierwood sapling 😂
Harrenhal is basically The Overlook Hotel from The Shining. Built on sacred ground, steeped in blood and horror, and consuming its inhabitants. Baelish is the next caretaker, all work and no play will make Petyr a dull boy. Alys Rivers is the magical Halloran character and Dani should definitely avoid the place. She's like to end up playing there for ever and ever.
Omg the “I’m being silenced!!?!!? 😢” bit had me in stitches. And a Wu tang shirt too! 10/10 - of course the theories content fantastic as always too.
Thank you for releasing the Daenerys Targaryen iceberg podcast. This will help me through my Sunday long run!
I love your storytelling skills ❤ I'd love to see every single fantasy battle explain by you, great work! 👍 it's like reliving a book 📖
It's like really fun storytelling, studded with good theories and interesting lore connections. Basically rolling the fun of reading a chapter into the experience of looking up quotes to find discussion threads on the Westeros forum. It streamlines the process which I personally love. I read physical books (i currently only have the gigantic paperbacks, some of which are pre-show editions that are falling apart under their own size,) and having to close them every ten minutes to look something up can take up a lot of time! So these videos are really peak content for me
All round very cool, except the temperature in Harrenhal the day King Harren fell. Even your T shirt is very cool.
Yes, let Reading Rhaegar preach.
Yet no one listens to Aeron or the Drowned God sermons
@@ThommyofThenn The drowning the life out of people during baptism could have something to do with that.
@@stewqrtrankin3303 Yeah I imagine that doesn't do wonders for congregation retention lol
@@ThommyofThenn Lol
@@stewqrtrankin3303 lol hope you enjoyed the video as much as I did
Based on Harrenhal's black color I'm guessing it's made of basalt, a common black volcanic rock. Basalt melts around 1000-1200 degrees Celsius or about 1800-2200 degrees fahrenheit.
I was thinking it might be magical obsidian similar to the obsidian/dragon glass weapons and glass candles as obsidian obviously channels magic well. 😁 (Melting Point 1000 C)
Hematite, granite, tourmaline, diamond, agate, coral, opal, black pearl, slate, ruby/sapphire or garnet, are some possibilities I thought of too.
Hematite because it is the most common black rock and has a high iron content which id mentioned frequently.
Granite and slate are common and relatively easy to carve.
Agate mentioned in the series with a magical connotation.
Coral and pearl because of possible Deep Ones connections.
Opal mentioned as an Empire of the Dawn possibility.
Rubies and sapphires are the same stone and mentioned frequently in the series. Garnets are often mistaken for rubies...all are quiet hard and can be black. Fun to think of a solid building made of gemstone.
Have also wondered if the "fused" stone is colored cement.
@@soxpeewee the reason I assumed basalt is just practical because it's common and Harrenhal is really, really big so you'd need a lot. I suppose slate would also be possible, but although I'm not a builder, I'm not sure slate is strong enough to be used to make very tall towers. Slate is relatively weak and is usually used for roofs or floors, not load bearing construction as far as I know. The gods eye also has the look of a possible volcanic caldera so it would make sense to have lots of igneous rock in the area. Obsidian could be plentiful around a volcanic caldera, but it is glass and is much to weak to build with. As far a magical materials go I'm not so sure because that time period wasn't really known for having a lot of magic, and the Ironborn aren't really a magic using people (at least in Harren's time).
That ghost of harrenhal art art is one of my favourite you definitely get a good scale of the place
As I am thinking about Harrenhal I am hearing Brando at the end of Apocalypse Now saying “The horror, the horror “
Not the Hindenburg diaster? "Oh, the humanity!"
@@soxpeewee
The events leading up to the destruction of the airship and the fact it was so flammable make it an interesting comparison. It can definitely read like hubris; they should have respected storms more and been less stubborn in their clinging to the schedule, which I believe was set up to make more money, rather than allowing delay due to legitimate concerns such as you know...dangerous weather. Oh, and the smoking near a huge balloon of explosive gasses. I don't think there had been a major airship disaster before so it's fair enough that they didn't have much of a playbook to guide them. But in hindsight, it can seem terribly irresponsible, as the passengers learned to their sorrow
Hahaha!
Harrenhal's fall is literally the biggest spoiler for what Daenerys is about to do in Volantis.
Loving the high output Dave, i could watch everyday! Another banger!
This is an tasty Harrenhal appetizer and its completion on the Sunday Livestream of Starry Wisdom with Greywaste Tim is gonna be a feast!
I think Harrenhal is also a parallel to the Tower of Babel (man's hubris and an afront to the gods)!
Loved the old nan voice
Love all the work David. Been following you for years, everything you’ve built and work on is phenomenal.
That's great Matt I'm glad to hear it. Same here but only like a year and a few months
Also holding Harrenhal to some extent were Tywin Lannister, Amory Lorge and Roose Bolton. Well, I'm sure Roose will end up just fine.
Reading Rhaegar def hangs out with Graham Hancock 😂
Best comment 😂
Well i know what im doing when i get home later
I do like the theory that it’s not even cursed, it’s just people keep taking advantage of its reputation to commit atrocities.
I can't wait to see it in all its glory in the Conquest!
I love how the visual language of HotD has improved to reflect the 'pax targaryen" but imagine how it will look for the Conquest
I like the idea of Lord Baelish being taken by the curse without ever having exercised possession of the castle. Also looking forward to Lord Bolton's curse...
"Blood in the mortar" - it would not surprise me if George was going for a Poltergeist feeling with haunted Harrenhal given his love of horror movies.
The Poltergeist house is built on land that used to be a graveyard. They moved the headstones, but they never moved the bodies!
So it’s not a red hand…. It’s a black hand…. Coldhalds! Solved it!
Thanks for another banger video!!!
Do you think there is a literal curse, or do you think places with a lot of death are just magically radioactive? Since there is power in blood, spilling a lot of it must be what causes places to be “cursed”
I think it’s an act 3 mystery GRRM will give us.
It’s next to the gods eye for a reason, the tourney was there for a reason. Haran may have been getting visions of the others and the wieghts and was building Haranhal for the war he saw coming, to be king of the ashes, just like Baelish.
Hey Lightbringer how are you doing. Thank you so much for this. I have always wondered why more hasn’t been discussed about the Ironman controlling the Riverlands and all the lore. You have great taste in music by the way. Stay well and be easy😊
Harrenhal and the Night Fort are two favorite creepy structures in the Land of Ice and Fire.
Assuming the gods eye is a hinge of the world I wonder what affect this could have upon Harrenhal or perhaps even vice versa
The voice acting was very captivating! Beautiful work, man! I loved it!!
7:27 for a moment I thought my headphones were picking up radio signals lol
Ah yes, house of WuTang with their ancestral sword liquid.
Great stream loved your intro. Specially the re-reading of the story. The voices gave it a more mysterious scary vibe. There is definitely something up at that place. With so many deaths.
R’Rhaegar been Praising Garth abit to Hard outside Harrenhal on the Isle of Conspiracies
21:29 I'd venture a guess and say dragonfire on the lowest end would be 1,300°C / 2,400°F. Maybe even higher, but that's about the lowest temp to turn stone into magma.
And as it happens a potential candidate for Black Stone fits those temperatures: “Basalt melts at about 984° to 1260° and granite at about 1215° to 1260°
Heck yeah we need a Reading Rhaegar Harrenhal theory video! Doesn't have to be long but does have to be RR doing the narration!
Ok, now I think there will be a few hallucinations/ dream sequences, which can tie into alys rivers. I'm so excited for this season
What a fun idea ❤ you always find such cool ways to make your note novel and engaging to your audience. Great work on this one David. Been a long time fan, your work staying improving and remains interesting and engaging in the best ways. Many thanks, keep up the good work ❤
26:35 this is interesting, I had a different take. The right of the first night is an old ways rule. It was probably handed down by the first men or something and is designed to create more magical blood bastards to be sacrificed to trees and stuff. Anyway, this would mean they sacrificed him in the gods wood and attempted to appease the tree because technically they are going against the old old ways. So it’s sorta to say, “sorry, no more bastard blood, here’s one last meal of kings blood”. In the old days there were warg kings and green kings and basically every royal bloodline decadent from the first men is the same as Targaryen in that they have magically altered blood to give their bloodlines power.
Harrenhal is cool, your Old Nan voice is cooler 🐉
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Love it so far and I love the format! Will watch livestream if I see it pop up.
2 videos and 2 live streams in 7 days
Thanks LML
Bruh the Rhaegar section was mad confusing when I heard it in glorious Dolby Atmos (gaming headphones). Thought he was in my room! Let him explain his Harrenhal theory tho!!
me too!! i thought Rhaegar was outside MY house
I love your ads! They always have me in stitches 😅
Lets gooo new Lml ❤️ been watching your dunk and egg stream and I can’t believe it’s been a year. Cheers to you and the Mythical Astronomy gang
Great gunna chill to this after work ,
Thanks man
Ah, it is going to be a good day... @LML has posted a new video! Thank you so much, David, for the well researched, entertaining, and informative content!
I must say, I am always thrilled by an appearance by our ever charming, funny, and handsome hidden dragon, Reading Rhaegar.
I missed these types of videos!! 🔥
Brilliant. Love this video David.
Oooh videos and lives coupled together, my favorite format
Great video, and an even greater t-shirt!
One of my favorite topics!!!! And yes….the giants built some of it.
WE NEED A FAMILY TREE FOR THE DRAGONS!!!
that's on GRRM, we have almost no info as to which dragons came from which
@David Lightbringer unfortunately black rock is not specific enough to know what type it is. If we assume the rock is basalt, that has some of the highest known melting temps. Approximately 1000 degrees C, or 1832 degrees F is its melting temp.
Oooooh cant wait for part 2 ❤
Easy to free the Riverlands from King Black Harren if the surrounding countryside hates the guy anyway if he survived...
i was cackling at reading rhaegar! another great video excited for sunday’s stream!!
I really loved this one!
Thank you David!
Haircut looks great man!
Cursed melted castles are the coolest! Can't wait for the stream!
Thnx David. Good topic.
I think I speak for a lot of fans when I say that my opinion on the Conquest show will largely rest on how well they do the burning of Harrenhal, not just in terms of big showy pyrotechnics but also whether they address the probably thousands of servants/ slaves who were unfortunate enough to be there to die screaming alongside Harren
Harrenhal is something straight out of a Poe story. Such a creepy castle.
Can you smell what the Prince of Dragonstone is cooking?
Of course we want to hear Rhaegars theory
Great video!!
didn’t expect to make it this early to an upload 🫶🏻
Great video brother
Thanks David
Perfect shirt for a video coming out on Wu Wednesday 🙌🏻
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The video I didn't know I was missing, and we get a Harrenhall livestream!? Thanks LML! In all seriousness, absolutely love your Old Nan voice, killin it lol.
I've always thought Harrenhall would've made a great seat for house Targaryen, you know if it hadn't burned that is..
Don't forget to mention weasel soup!
Edit: Supposed "experts" like David Lightbringer - lol love Reading Rhagear
Feels like Titanic. First voyage, major hubris, mostly poor and vulnerable suffered. Smitten by ice opposed to fire :)
I actually really liked Rhaegar's Young Harrenhal theory!
Ahh Black Harren's Folly. The Gods cursed his pride and the Drowned God, wroth with Harren for building a fortress too far from the sea, turned his back on Harren. Such is the fate of any who would blaspheme TWO groups of gods
Harrenhal is kinda the GOT Tower of Babel. Hubris went into it’s construction and there were consequences beyond just the destruction of the tower or in this case, the castle
Almost as hot as Harrenhal itself!
Doin the funky robot dance to this one 🤘🐺🔥
Time for horror stories
Just what I need otw home from work
"Harren had beggarred the Riverlands and the Iron Islands... but, it was a dark place and cursed..."
Another great video about David.
I was just thinking "where tf is harrenhal video?" LOL
Thanks, David
Harrenhall's "curse" seems to extend to those who just dwell within it &/or significant events in/near it...Aerys/Mad King, Lyanna, Ned, Benjen, Robert, Rhaegar...
Jaime said his vows at Harrenhall, he doesn't seem like he'll get a gentle ending...Tywin held it, Roose Bolton, ARYA...
Aemond, Daemon...the list is very long when you think about it. & there's definitely something supernatural going on with Harrenhall with the Old Gods/Weirwoods, Dragons/Targaryens, the Azor Ahai/Prince/Promised Prophecy, etc.
Idk exactly how it will play out, but the showrunners have said that in HOTD S2 they played with some psychological horror stuff with Daemon in Harrenhall 🤔
Under the idea that they sacrificed Lord Gargan to the weirwood & olds gods, I wonder if this is George's round-about way of implying the Blackwoods were responsible for his death
Dave, you gotta see the TheNeuroticNathan's videos.... This ties to Georges 1000 world series. and clearly magic exists in this world, or that science that appears as magic works in this world.
Anyways... The biggest hint is that this is the planet of the Children, and we invaded.... The First men and the Pact occurred in The Empire of the Dawn in K'Dath, and when that peace broke down, the five forts were constructed to stop them. Also, just by reading the battles you can see that Valeria and Ghis existed during the Long Night. And it hit WAY more places... Specifically where humans lived.
I'm starting to wonder if the story of dragons being born from the Moon being destroyed isn't true. I'm also wondering if Dragonfire doesn't create bloodstone when melting specific kinds of stone
Mans going off this month!! So much heat 🥵 🔥
Excellent video, one thing to point out of interest with regards to recent owners of Harrenhall is that Tywin held it briefly during the War Of The 5 Kings although he mostly gave The Mountain the run of the place, and, of course, look how things turned out for them, the curse is very welcoming indeed, furthermore besides our favourite creeper Petyr Baelish there's also Roose Bolton who even burned a mysterious book in front of Arya after reading it and spends much of A Dance With Dragons seemingly at peace with a death that shall come sooner rather than later. Something tells me he's not long for this world either, and, for the creme de la creme of scum and villainy, I am willing to bet Euron Greyjoy ends up occupying Harrenhall at some point, likely during The Long Night 2.0, dislodging him from said castle will likely represent a turning point in The War For The Dawn, anyway, amazing video, keep up the great work!
oh I like that idea of Euron occupying it! I'll bring that up with Tim
@DavidLightbringer Night King Euron's foothold on the God's Eye. I could see him taking it like Daemon did. But unlike Daemon, who spared the Strong's castle garrison, Euron might not spare whoever is haunted house sitting for Little Finger.
Strange, Harrenhall. Likenhow they never repaired it. They knew them bad boys and their fire would return
Littlefinger knows its cursed...he better not go there. I don't even wanna say the Name of the place, lest the ghost of Breakbones asks me about the fate of Rhaenyra's ( his) sons (....keep up the great work
Pps. Lol that pic of Maegor in bed looked like and ad brought to you by the most interesting Valerian in Westeros
"I dont always kiss my sister, but when i do..."
Are you done doing the disaster hunter series? Or just taking a break? I like all your videos, but I really enjoyed the disaster hunter series and will be sad to see it end.
Dave = epic dude
Crazy how after it burned down people still get lordship of the castle since its so big after the destruction its usable
Not everything we refer to as stone has the same melting point. so we would need the information about what type of stone was used in the constitution. Still there could be a lot of variation between different bocks due to inclusions , layering... Would explain the twisting and cracking part👍
"The show will make its debut next year… and if it does well, THE SWORN SWORD and THE MYSTERY KNIGHT will follow. By which time I hope to have finished some more Dunk & Egg stories (yes, after I finish THE WINDS OF WINTER)."
Just wanted to throw this out there, posted yesterday from GRRM's 'not a blog.'
Aegon should’ve made harrenhall his permanent seat not stinky kings-landing ong.
Maybe he did. It took a hot minute to build the Keep.
Good call. Rebuild it and rule from there in a colossal castle that is centrally located. Would send a great message and also who cares about living in a city lol. Harrenhall all day yo
Righteous vid
I suspect the curse of Harrenhal works similarly to Stannis cursing Balon, Joffrey and Robb. They all die due to one reason or another, and you can just ignore the curse, but it seems more than just coincidence.
That kind of magic has some precedent in fantasy. A similar curse exists on the defense against the dark arts teaching position at Hogwarts. In the book Krabat, Krabat is trapped at a mill and if he tries to run away he always finds himself back at the mill again. You can keep calling it coincidence, but at some point it gets suspicious.
I commented on a previous video about the possible parentage of Alys Rivers but it seems relevant to the Harrenhal topic so I’ll post it again. It says that Alys is around 40 years old during the dance which would put her birth 80-90 AC, although mushroom claims she’s older. Disclaiming the idea of her being hundreds of years old like some theories, i put her at about 60 which would put her birth at around 70 AC. In 73 AC, Rhaena Targaryen dies and Harrenhall is given to Bywin Strong, the brother of the disgraced kingsguard Lucamore the lusty. Later in that same year, Lucamore’s actions are discovered and he is sent to the wall. His first wife and their children are given to the care of his brother Bywin and it can be assumed they all went back to Harrenhall. Thus, it is my theory that Alys rivers is the bastard daughter of Lucamore the Lusty and was raised at Harrenhall with her other siblings. Obviously, there isn’t much clear evidence to back this up other than just guessing. I do believe this is a likely scenario though. This could already be a theory I just haven’t read it anywhere yet.
I'll bring this up with Tim, it's a logical idea. well done