Manuel Candelaria Well, that really depends on how you define “production power”. The hardware used at Abbey Road is magnificent and has been replicated by companies like Waves and NI. Surely they don’t come close to the originals. Carrying instruments in your pocket is great, but a sampled Steinway can of course never replace the feeling of playing a real grand piano.
You may be right but you do need mics, sound cards, controllers, monitors, storage,headphones, and plenty of other gear. The portability thing is not important to everyone producing music. There is also that proprietory thing where Apple makes it impossible for anyone to make a computer that can run IOS. I always hated depending on one company for my life. I always liked that there were so many laptop makers making laptops that run windows. I never owned a Mac but I do have an iPhone and a couple of iPads. I really like the fact that my laptop is not made by Microsoft and that I can buy so many different laptops to run that operating system. iPads are incredible for sure and I will always use one but I will never give up using a windows laptop. Like I always thought, hybrid scenarios are the best for so many reasons. My audio interface has dedicated ports for a iOS device and another for laptop so I can have perfect communication between both. No sensible reason to choose one over the other when using both is so powerful. I can fit my laptop, both iPads, my focusrite 2i4, 2x IK iLoud micro monitors, arturia minilab controller, and a ton of cables and dongles in my backpack. So why do I have to go only with an iOS device for portability. Ok I do have a big backpack but not that big that it looks ridiculous. It's those IK iLouds that are so bloody good and convenient. Another great video by the great Haqmeister. Thanks Jakob with a k. Hey do you know anything about the djtechtools midi fighter twister controller? It's been around for a couple of years and I keep checking but don't see any feedback from IOS guys like you and Doug.
@@joachim595 yes there is a slight bit of latency between neurones firing activating movement, I just buffer, push the button! But seriously we don't notice it but there is a slight delay. I mean I bottle necked picking up 150 lbs, and now I've got to get a new Battery and ram!. Lmao
People, buy a iPad 6th Gen if you on a low budget because for 300 bucks you get the latest iOS and 64bit with a 9.7inch screen that runs even all apps.
I've done a bit of almost everything, including music production, on an iPad 2....for seven years. That said, I have upgraded to the iPad 6 (2018 model) and now I have the lightning port, so my options have only increased and improved. :)
I just picked up an iPad pro first gen 12.9 running IpadOS 14.4.2. I run Cubase, Garage band, and also use it to edit video. It is a nice mobile workstation when I am not near my production PC, which I built.
I just bought an iPad Pro 12.9 in, first gen running iPad OS 14.4.2 with 4gb RAM and 128GB storage. 64 bit architecture. It works great for what I use it for. I run Cubase and Garage Band on it. I also use it for video editing.
Just bought an iPad Pro 12.9 2017 series 2 model. It’s got the good screen & it’ll be powerful enough for my needs. Only cost me £225 on EBay. Can’t wait to get it 😊
@@scottcupp8129 It's fantastic. You know Korgs sounds (should at least) and they don't skimp with the sounds. I use gadget2 on my iphone pro max 12 and explain it to people like it's like a mobile version of Reason- for me it is. It's not a DAW, just like Reason isnt a DAW, its more or less a very workable sound engine. I wish I would have gotten Gadget 2 before many of the other purchases I made.
Another issue which can completely change things is how many apps you have which will run on the older iPad or if they’re even available on the App Store. As another poster has shared, you can begin to look at older iOS devices as if they were more traditional one off hardware synths which you can integrate into a larger setup using mixers, USB audio interfaces and camera connection kits for MIDI. Even the oldest iPads can be used effectively as MIDI controllers or you can route audio from old apps into newer apps using an audio interface or transferring the audio files over to the newer devices. These sorts of use cases are significantly different than the more complete music production usages you discuss in this video.
I agree, but the point of the video was to help out people who are looking to get into iOS music making and getting a budget iPad as their first device. This is what beginners usually are asking me about. I still use my older devices too in the manner you talk about. I mean an iPad mini 1 is still very useful. However beginners usually want something to base their setup around and so that first device needs to be more powerful. 👍🏼
Jakob Haq yes people deciding to use their older devices or to buy older devices is a very different usage than someone getting their first iOS device for music production. One of the biggest differences is the availability of older apps you’ve purchased and being to use an older version of the app on older devices. The 32 bit app purge continues to have a significant impact on the ability to even use older devices. In addition, the more recent versions of iTunes has impacted the ability to backup and restore apps. These two moves by Apple along with the inability to roll back to an earlier version of iOS is part of the ratcheting process by Apple to encourage people to update to the most recent version of iOS and to use more recent iOS devices for compatibility reasons which are above and beyond the power of a given iOS device. For example, the most recent version of iOS which runs on an iPad 2 significantly impacted its performance versus the previous major iOS release. Users deciding to buy used iOS devices will definitely need to learn about the performance of their older used iOS device (as you’ve alluded to in your video) before updating to a new major release of an iOS and make sure they get the last version of an iOS that works well for their usage cases as that is usually the version developers will continue to support the longest. Supporting multiple versions of iOS can be very impractical and unsustainable for developers so users getting older devices will also be impacted by this issue as well.
Ok , here’s a tip that you will all find helpful , if you have an iPad 2 or iPad mini you will get problems installing the latest versions of iOS music apps , it will say your device is not compatible ,find someone who has a later model or even an iPhone and ask them to download the software you need on their device, then log in to your older device with your friends account, go to my apps in the App Store and it will list all the apps that your friend has ,including the software that apple told you is not compatible with your device, click download ,it will say the latest version of this app is not compatible with your device,and download an older version to your iPad. Older versions work just fine
I have an iPad 2017 128 gb model and really love it. I mostly use Korg Gadget and sometimes Cubasis. I also interface the iPad with my PC cubase using the korg Plugkey and iRig Midi 2. This works great, as the 2017 model has a headphone jack. But now those newer iPads have USB-C I am wondering if Korg would make an updated version of the plugkey.
I have an iPad mini first gen. It’s certainly not the best to work with. But Cubasis runs on it also Korg Gadget, GarageBand, Poison-202 and so on. This iPad is temporarily. Want to buy a far more powerful iPad in the nearby future. I’m thinking about a refurbished iPad Air 2.
I use a 10.5" iPad Pro but I still use my iPad 4 as well because it runs Alchemy (the Camel Audio app) which cost me a lot. I was really pissed off when Apple bought out Camel Audio and made the app redundant as the Garage Band version is inferior to the original.
I find the iPads with an audio out easier to work with than just a lightning socket otherwise you need to buy a multi-adaptor. Lots of great software though: Synth One, Garage Band,...
I've considered a Mini 2 as a WiFi-only smart phone substitute, among other things, but then I realized it's a tad too big for use as a phone. Oh, well....
I started with an iPad 3rd gen (2012), bu it was only 32 bit, so wouldn't run some things that I wanted. I upgraded very cheaply to an iPad Air 2 (2014), and that still works Ok for me. I might need to replace it at some point, but for many musicians, an iPad Air is probably still adequate. I would definitely say to get a 256Gb model, as music apps will quickly fill up the storage on the smaller models, which is a nuisance. Of course, if you have the budget or are a heavy user, than getting a new one makes some sense, as the price difference between older and brand new ones is not really all that much.
Great advice. I think it changes if you already have a main device and you just want to run a couple of synths, possibly controlled with a midi controller, you could go for an older device. But you could also get a new iPod touch for £199 or so that will run stuff for the next 7 years. I have an iPad Pro for running the big stuff, and an older mini to run a couple of synths though AUM.
I always buy an entry level iPad, keep it for five years, rinse repeat. I find I still get about 50% of what I paid for it, which I think is crazy considering how tired they are by this age. But since I can run any App I want on an ordinary iPad, there's no incentive for me to pay 3x as much for a Pro model.
You really help people get into the truly productive side of iOS my man,your videos are all aces and extremely helpful. I have also been on the iOS music production train for almost 3 years now with an Air2. This thing still rocks 25 audio tracks inside Cubasis and it’s still ready for some mixing with AU plugins.To avoid GPU crashes I freeze a lot,work with AU plugins in stages,then freeze and proceed with more. My goal was to go full production with an iPad,due to day job ,kids and less time,but luckily my day job allows it(when working night shifts and begin the shift boss 😂) ,so I could go with something mobile,because music is my damn life,I will die if I stop doing it😂 So now,it’s usually me,my Air2,my Akai ABTS 28 speaker,my AKG K100’s and the night shift!!!😂😂😂Family deserves all the time left 😉 I use an analogy of 85\15 of Cubasis/Logic Pro today,where I would normally do nothing if I didn’t have the iPad,cause my new home don’t have the room I need for my studio gear. Lately I even finished some tracks on Final Touch(Positive Grid) and I can say a 100% is possible.I would still maybe prefer to sit on Logic and my monitors,but it can be really done,because the tools are getting extremely awesome. I only lately discovered the ProQ2 for the iPad,I also have it on Mac,but damn,ITS THE SAME AWESOMENESS.If the rest Fabfilters(mostly ProL for me) come along,then I think i have reached 100% It is exactly like you said.If your passion is to make music and you have an iDevice,just open it and begin doing stuff.Start from GarageBand,it’s free in there.We begun composing in a chucky Roland MC-307 for God’s shake 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Again thank u Jakob,you’re just the best in this man.👊🏼
I have four iPads. My first one was the iPad three and I only bought it because when the iPad fours were out nothing was available for the lightning cable and everything was the 30 pin. Then I updated to an iPad mini retina and still had to deal with adapters for lightning cables and obviously have upgraded to more iPads sense but I still have use for my iPad three and there are a lot of apps that still run on it. I have no problem using Loopy HD or sunrise or on the iPad three as they run good still. I don’t always rock the old iPads but in my opinion it’s worth more to me loaded with 75 or so audio apps not including many I beta test. I wouldn’t go out of my way to buy one but it’s worth it for me to keep it as I have a lot of money invested in apps and I like to still be able to open up a bunch of iOS devices and fuck around with Bluetooth, virtual, and wired midi within my studio set up at home and even on the go. Now my first iPhone was the iPhone 4 and I beta tested a shit ton of apps on that to the battery life is amazing on it but I never use it except maybe to stream Pandora or Use an old video app that hasn’t been updated or audio app that hasn’t been updated. I still have a 5S, a 6S, and I use my mothers 5C, and her SE along with my iPhone X. I just even have a lot of old max that you can still use for certain things and while I love the new technology unless something is completely use an old video app that hasn’t been updated or audio app that hasn’t been updated. I still have a 5S, a 6S, and I use my mothers 5C, and her SE along with my iPhone X. I just even have a lot of old max that you can still use for certain things and while I love new technology unless something is completely dead and on able to be used I’m not going to sell it for 50 bucks when it’s worth the $50 for me just to have access to a few drum machines and a sample run. But I get where you’re coming from and I wouldn’t buy anything older than an iPad Mini retina to or an iPad five at this point. But I love all your fucking reviews as we have most of the same software, hardware, and apps and it’s nice to relate to someone who pretty much thinks the same. This was speech to text so pardon my grammar but I am a gear freak and I just love having more than what I need because of friends come over and they want to jam I always have something for someone to use.
I agree with the removal of the earphone jack, not Cool. But Apple is progressive and there will be workarounds from people like you Jakob. You are an inspiration to us IPad guys. I actually just mentioned you on my newsletter. I like the notion of multiple iPads on stage and studio. The future is an open book! Thanks for all you do and we(iPad guys&gals) appreciate !
Yeah that presents a bit of a challenge. I just upgraded to an iPad Pro 12.9 in First gen running iPadOS 14.4.2 It's only 32GB but really all I need. I do most of my production on my PC that I built. It is a Windows 10 machine running Dual Xeons, 48 GB of DDR4 RAM, between internal storage and external just at 52 Terabytes and Cubase 11 Pro. But the iPad is a GREAT mobile music, audio, and video editing workstation. My previous iPad was also a 4th Gen iPad. I really love the quad stereo speakers on the iPad Pro. It's a REALLY good sounding tablet.
I’ve had the mini4 for nearly 5 years and it’s still going strong but it really struggles with more than 1 model15 and that prompted me to get the 2017 pro.
Even though this video is about 2 years old i wanna say thanks for this, Jakob. I was planning on getting an older model iPad but after watching this I think I'll save some money and buy the latest iPad air. I'll just use my iPhone 12 for the time being. The small screen kinda sucks but the iPhone 12 is pretty powerful and runs everything flawlessly and it beats the hell outta using something like an iPad 2!
That’s a good idea. The only thing you need to consider in that case is that some apps aren’t available for iPhone. For instance, the FabFilter plugins only exist for iPad. I also went for an older model when getting the new iPad I now use. It’s an iPad 11” from 2018. I basically used a Swedish Auction site, for used gear, to get one for the low price of $500 (5000 swedish kronas). The site has the ability to track new adds based on keywords and so I was tracking every new add with the words “iPad Pro” in it for months. Suddenly one day, this one popped up and I just snatched it instantly. Patience can take you a long way. Good luck on hunting your next iOS Device! 👊🏼
I have an old iPad 4 with Cubasis LE 2 installed and it is GREAT but i only use it for MIDI, I have a MIDIface4x4 connected to the Ipad ( via the usual "camera connector ) so.. i have 4x16 MIDI channels to play with. THIS is a very useful setup this whay I control all my hardware synths from the iPad. So basically.. I run Ableton live on my "big computer" and then the iPAD acts as slave controlling just simple midi data leaving more processor power free on my big computer- So I have separated it to "No sound just MIDI" to the iPAD 4, sound and VSTs on the big computer.
As I said on instagram, I’ve been picking up all the used iPads in my area and turning them into an isolated drum machine iPad, a soundscape ipad, a sample iPad and then my main rig. Picked up the new Tascam Model 24 which is IOS compliant to run my iPads, iPhones, and hardware all at the same time. I have a mini 1, mini 2, 2017 iPad, iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus. No problem with any of them. Even the mini 1 works well with older apps.
Yeah it’s perfect when you know your stuff like you and me. However beginners don’t have our experience with this platform and so the point of this video is to help them picking out their first device. I get asked about this by people who wants to get into iOS music making and want to know if it’s worth starting out with an older device. 👍🏼
I’m sorry Jakob, I think you might have taken my comment in a condescending manner. I meant nothing of the sort and I completely agree with your video. You started me on my iOS journey 4 years ago, and it changed my life and unshackled me from my VSTs and hardware. I was just stating I found my workflow, workaround with older units. I was actually reading an article yesterday about the iPhone 6 unit and iPad equivalent will not support ios13 when it comes out this fall. I hope that’s not true as I still use an iPhone 6 Plus as a mobile recording and video unit. I appreciate the time you spend on your videos and the information you provide.
No no, that wasn’t the case at all! 😅😅 I mean I still use all of my older devices and I am also in your camp when it comes to not wanting my older stuff to become obsolete. The most used tool I have over here apart from my iPad Pro is the iPhone 6s that have been my workhorse for a lot of years. I really don’t want it not to be able to run the next version of iOS. I sure hope what you read isn’t true either, because I’m not to fond of the thought of having to purchase a newer iPhone since they come without a headphone port.
The lack of headphone jack is why I haven’t bought a New iPad Pro yet. I actually talked with a Apple employee who works in development on a flight and I discussed the lack of headphone jacks and how it cripples music production and he basically said “we don’t care”, “the iPad isn’t designed for the musician in mind. The main push is for the average consumer, not niche markets.” My response was, then stop calling it an iPad Pro if it’s not meant for professional tasks! He didn’t talk to me the rest of the flight and I just continued “fingering my stuff”! I sooooo wanted to show him your Apple dongle video but didn’t have WiFi on the flight! Hahaha!
Yeah they are definitely always developing stuff for the average consumer, it’s all a “numbers game” In the end. I also wish they stopped calling their stuff Pro because it’s kinda misleading. They keep removing the stuff that made the products pro and “invent” a higher price.
I gotta get a new iPad. I've dropped this one I'm typing on many times going door to door searching for my missing 21 year old cat. I did do a pretty snazzy duct tape job on the edges though.
And how shockingly incapable it is when you want to do something as complex as copy/export a file from A to B. Was quite the culture shock but after many hours of raging I figured out all I needed to get it working :D
Haq, your English grammar and vocab are better than most english speakers. trust me. Great channel. Keep it up. You should have 200k subs for this quality.
2022 update, if you have a chance to grab anything with a nice Bat, i.e. refurbished for well below half the price of a iPad2020, go for it. Otherwise just go for the iPad2020, It has the headphone port, and so you have an analog out and a charge port without any dongles. Any bluetooth dongle plugged into anything with midi in and out will give you a $50 wireless controller. Simple and minimal cheap. I have 3 , an iPad4 still has a decent bat / iPad Air2 has half the bat as the iPad4 at a higher price/ and an iPad 2020 cheapo version 127gb. The old iPads prior to 2017 struggle or can’t use new apps and certainly not the new ios. Old ipads still work for sampling and sample management and can mostly handle all the old synths but as he mentions they have forced the old 32 bit apps off the store so…. The 2017 iPad / iPad air2 is used side by side with the 2020 I USUALLY only sample INTO it. Sampling is fine even on the oldest one, and honestly I can’t use three at a time, well I can but I dont. They all work smooth with airdrop. I SUGGEST YOU ONLY BUY THE iPad 2020 and newer as of 2022 because it is super affordable. You REALLLLLY should aim for the devices with the headphone jack, otherwise you need a dongle just to be able to charge while using LATENCY FREE headphones. That said, the USB C is a nice addition, although not for me because I have so much lightning cable investments such as my audio4+ (Its old too and not sold no more ….. but I love it. )
Thanks, man! Very useful info. It`d be also interesting to check how Korg Gadget actually works on these 3 devices. I`m still struggling with my iPad 3 when working with heavy projects (maybe not so heavy, but anyways) on Korg Gadget. I'm thinking about buying something more powerful (like iPad 2018). And now, I'm your subscriber :)
I hear pro 10.5 and 12.9 have latency issues for many people so obviously the newer and more expensive doesn't mean better when it comes to music making.
Best part of the whole video was the dongle song at the end - I’m considering an upgrade to my 2015 iPad Pro 10.5” at some point in the future but not looking forward to a world with no headphone jack on the iPad. Very informative alternatives Jakob thank you
Love ur channel, i have ipad 4th gen, since 2012 using synth app like Spacelab, Alchemy,Launchkey and other apps for recording sound memo & using it as mp3 players, stop using after 2015, just last week update the software to 10.3 and dload Audiokit synthone and start fully utilising it again. I find that i cant press 3 keys together and the sound statt stuttering, but works fine if press 1 key at a time, so 4th gen ipad still can be used for making synth sampels for dekstop daw
I love your videos Jakob - your energy and sense of humor is awesome. Thanks for the tech tips - I appreciate the great info. PS I am from the future. LOL!
Jakob, I know this video is old but my question is related to it. I noticed you like ipad minis and ipads with headphone jacks and we share the same sentiment since mobility is one of the main reasons for getting an ipad and having to lug around an audio interface everywhere makes it less portable. Now to my question. Now in 2020, would you choose an ipad 8 over the mini? Being just as powerful as each other, based on size alone... Is the mini limiting when trying to twist knobs in synths or is it generally very useable? I do like the portability and betterscreen of the mini vs the 8 but was only concerned about the useability factor for using music apps.
What do you think about now in 2023 buying a used 2018 Ipad Pro 11 (A1980 model)? (550 Euro) ..It runs the A12X processor and I heard it's not bad, or spend a chunk more and get the newer M2 for over 1000 Euro?
The only iPad without the headphone jack is the 2018 iPad Pro, the regular iPads still have them, I think apple realized they can’t rival a pc with out the jack or poor sales but for now we’re in the clear.
I am happy with my old original iPad Pro 12.9(lightning and headphone jack) and my Air 2. If I want to run a lot of apps in AUM I run sequencers on my iPhone 7 Plus or the air 2 and send the midi to the iPad Pro using Bluetooth with the midifire app. I love the midifire app. It is brilliant for routing midi and has full StreamByter app built in plus other very cool thingies. There is no limit on what you can do with midi and no noticeable latency and doesn’t crash(extremely rarely). I want headphone jacks but am wondering if there are hubs that make a USB-c port handle it all just fine. I have a good laptop that I connect a lot using one USB-c port with hub having tons of ports with no problem. I use the USB 3 ports for my wireless mouse and internet is connected wired by the Ethernet port. I am a wired internet lover. Wifi is slower and less reliable. I will get a new iPad when Apple decides to stop playing games and puts out a real powerhouse, i mean the powerhouse that they can make but do, it want to. If they do it then it will mean people will stick with it longer. That’s why they only do small upgrades. It means way more sales. Understandable, but very frustrating.
I still have two iPhone 4's... why? because they run software which has been scrapped by more current versions of iOS. :-/ (very sadly, I might add...)
Might I add this nugget of wisdom: buy what you can afford and need *today*. Ipads get cheaper slowly, then drop of a lot, then they stabilize (sanjaymeena.io/images/posts/books/non_linear_laws/s-curve.png ). So watch the prices and see when the drop starts. They usually start when a new ipad is introduced. Get your gear at some point after the first drop, but before the lower plateau, so you may be able to sell it later on. Also: try to get and keep the original charger, cable, box and stuff. helps in resale value. Finally: try to keep it scratchfree.
I’m was using Audioshare. Sometimes I record directly into Cubasis. However I always process all of my audio in Cubasis including my narration no matter where it’s been recorded. Regarding the video editing app is called LumaFusion. You can always find links to apps I’m talking about and showing in my episodes in the description. 👍🏼
Nice video. I have an IPad mini 1, and the only app running without problem it's beatmaker2. I'm upgrading for IPad mini 2 this week mainly because koala sampler. I don't use big daws, so I think I'm good. Can you tell me if koala sampler runs good on IPad mini 2?
Yeah sure, many times. But then a new iOS version comes out and they’ll move around stuff in the settings and suddenly my video becomes obsolete. I don’t want have to make a new video every year about it. So I’m looking for stuff that doesn’t change that much before I make a video on it. I guess I don’t like wasting time. 😂😅
Hey love the channel! Had a quick question. I’m deciding whether to get an older model as entry to iOS music making...Regarding the lightning connection situation compared to a usb c connection, is the only drawback just the inconvenience of having to use the additional lightning to usb converter? or does it have any other effects on playback sound quality or production performance in general, compared to having a direct usb c connection on the iPad? Thanks!!
Jakob mentions that the main reason he dislikes the move to USB-C is that those iPad models also lost the headphone jack and he doesn't want an iPad without that (this point is reiterated in the 😂 video at the end) I agree - it's the one thing stopping me from upgrading to a Pro from my Air2 - good job Apple!
Thanks YocubYakum - always appreciate your stuffs and have a lot of fun watchin em. Hey so whats the deal with AU units. Can i use the AU units from the ipad over on the DAW? I see apple has a bunch of AUs that come up in ableton - thought you'd know the magic answer and its hopefully yezzzzzzz
@Jakob Haq Hi Jakob. Old vid. And near Xmas. So who knows? /but I'll try asking. Apple has just released an ios 12.5 suitable for older devices. To enable covid notification. (Etc?) So would that let old machines install and run other ios 10+ apps? I just saw the headline. Will read up on it. But hmmm... I came cuz I have,,,yeah,,,a "very old one". ipad 2. Oh well. I really appreciated how you approached the answer. Setting baseline, then more brackets. Happy holidays.
@@JakobHaq Hi. No, won't work for ipad2/mini1. Old chip. I had just read headline. Did research after posting. Shoulda done it t'other way around. Thanks for quick reply. cheers
I’m not sure and I don’t like to speculate. When it comes to upgrading; I have always recommended not updating early because of how stuff always break with new iOS versions. It’s a never ending story. People update early and then there are months and months of bug reports from users. I always wait quite a bit (months) before even considering an update. You have to ask yourself this. Do you need the new update now with a risk that your rig becomes unstable? Since I work with my rig everyday I can’t afford having important apps glitch out on me due to a shoddy update (this has happened to me before).
I have learned a lot from ur videos! Great work man. Maybe you could help me. I got a MPC, but the i dont like the workflow and im thinking of buying an Ipad 8 (I have a coupon for free korg gadget app that came with my minilogue xd). Is it worth it in terms of long life? I know the MPC last for years, would u say the ipad has a short or long life for music production? I never had one before.
An iPad can last you a long time. I still have older devices that I use. Sure some of them are so old now that they won’t take the newer iOS versions. I still use an iPad Pro from 2015 (now 6 years old) will be able to run the latest iOS 15 when it comes out. And I’m pretty certain it’ll be able to run some later versions too. . And get even when an iDevice gets really old, one can still use it for stuff. The oldest device I have is an iPad mini 1 (2012) and I still use it for stuff like live performance etc. It’s slow yeah but I can easily run lighter apps on it (I don’t recommend getting something this old however).
@@JakobHaq Nice to hear that! Thanks for the reply. I use Figure and other music apps on my phone, but i want a device just for music, to not overload my cellphone. An ipad will work great.
Hello future person! 😂😂 Ouch! I haven’t watched that one yet, so don’t spoil It for me. I want to experience it no matter how bad it might be. And no, I haven’t found an app that is powerful enough to do that sort of stuff ... yet. 👍🏼
..... Im not a fan of IOS DAW , i still love to seat on my captain chair and look at a bigger screen 📺 for my music production... I do all my sampling on IOS but all audio files get push into my desktop 🖥 for mixing and mastering... I still love the old fashion point and click of the mouse.
Hey Jakob. I am looking for an answer and thought of you cause oyu always well informed. While using Patterning 2 i had a ultra simple Kick-Snare loop sample that was a bit off kilter , meaning it was obviously made for another Tempo than my project. I then realised i can`t find any option to edit the Sample in Patterning other than shortening it basically. I need your opinion on whhich app can i use in order to: Import a sample-> Edit+Quantize it if needed-> export it easily (or at all). I am overwhelmed by all the apps and can`t literally remember which-if any can do this . Like Set Quantize a beat and then bounce it to a new edited loop. Any info would be greatly appreciated. God Bless
I usually do stuff like that in a DAW. I personally use Cubasis. However Blocs Wave could also work out for you as it has a really good timestretch-keep pitch type of algorithm.
@@JakobHaq I tried Blocs. The only function i see is kindo of a Time stretch thingy but no quantize. When i use this and have, say a drum break i want to loop, i need the ability to manually quantize -moove individual drum hits of the audio loop in order to get it tight with the rest of the Project. The Function in Blocs does not offer this . Its a bit hit and miss. Will have to try Cubasis now. I have V2. Does this have this functionality? Havent used it over 5 minutes in 1 year. Always end up with Nanostudio 2 or Patterning 2
To early for me to have an opinion about this. I always try to educate myself as much as possible on a topic before I speak on it. This iPadOS thing is so new that a lot of info out there is wrong or misrepresented due to misunderstandings and speculations. I’m waiting a bit longer before I say my piece.
It’s not visible but there are two “sticks” behind the iPads locking them down, plus the magnets in the covers hold them in place too. They’re more sturdy than you think. I’m mostly worried that I’ll knock down the whole stand. In the end it all depends on how you view it. I’m either reckless ... or ... I’m great at creating suspense! 😂😅
The point of this video has to do with shopping older iPads on a budget. The older models are less expensive (at least over here). An iPad Air 2 2018 64GB can be purchased at around $220-$250 in my area while the iPad 6th 2018 32GB model costs $300-$350. So if you’re one a budget and is looking for an iDevice that is powerful with the most storage space then the iPad Air 2 is a really good option. Plus you get double the storage space which is preferable when doin creative work. The biggest difference between two is that the iPad 6th 2018 model has a quad core CPU at 2.34GHz, whereas the iPad Air 2 2014 has a triple core CPU at 1.5GHz. Other than that they have almost the same specs wen it comes to ram, screen size, resolution, connection ports, cameras (front and back) etc.
Btw where did you find the iPad 6th 2018 for less than iPad Air 2? Link to it please because others reading this might want to get them at that price! 👍🏼
@@JakobHaq Jakob Haq Jakob Haq Slightly more expensive over here (Netherlands). iPad Air2 16gb used €270, 64gb used €300 . iPad 2018 32gb new €270, 128gb €350. Personally I would go for a new 2018 model.
C'mon man...do some extra close up shots and edit them...It' s not so hard. Those enlarged pixelised intercuts are so annoying, they make me just leave the video which in all other terms is very interesting and informative....chears
“If you have a smartphone in your pocket, then you have a studio”. Such good advice. Great video Jakob 👍
Our smartphones in our pockets have more production power than The Beatles had available to them their whole career!
Manuel Candelaria too bad the phone doesn't include George Martins production and classical training expertise.
Imagine if Martin had an iPad Pro. He’d make the Abbey Road sound like a demo.
Manuel Candelaria Well, that really depends on how you define “production power”. The hardware used at Abbey Road is magnificent and has been replicated by companies like Waves and NI. Surely they don’t come close to the originals. Carrying instruments in your pocket is great, but a sampled Steinway can of course never replace the feeling of playing a real grand piano.
You may be right but you do need mics, sound cards, controllers, monitors, storage,headphones, and plenty of other gear. The portability thing is not important to everyone producing music. There is also that proprietory thing where Apple makes it impossible for anyone to make a computer that can run IOS. I always hated depending on one company for my life. I always liked that there were so many laptop makers making laptops that run windows. I never owned a Mac but I do have an iPhone and a couple of iPads. I really like the fact that my laptop is not made by Microsoft and that I can buy so many different laptops to run that operating system. iPads are incredible for sure and I will always use one but I will never give up using a windows laptop. Like I always thought, hybrid scenarios are the best for so many reasons. My audio interface has dedicated ports for a iOS device and another for laptop so I can have perfect communication between both. No sensible reason to choose one over the other when using both is so powerful. I can fit my laptop, both iPads, my focusrite 2i4, 2x IK iLoud micro monitors, arturia minilab controller, and a ton of cables and dongles in my backpack. So why do I have to go only with an iOS device for portability. Ok I do have a big backpack but not that big that it looks ridiculous. It's those IK iLouds that are so bloody good and convenient. Another great video by the great Haqmeister. Thanks Jakob with a k. Hey do you know anything about the djtechtools midi fighter twister controller? It's been around for a couple of years and I keep checking but don't see any feedback from IOS guys like you and Doug.
Pitty I don’t have John Lennon in my pocket lol 😂
I bought a guitar in 2012 and it still works fine!
butteo And there’s no latency!
Hah👌😄
@@joachim595 yes there is a slight bit of latency between neurones firing activating movement, I just buffer, push the button! But seriously we don't notice it but there is a slight delay. I mean I bottle necked picking up 150 lbs, and now I've got to get a new Battery and ram!. Lmao
Nice :)
@@New_Zealand_Music LOL
People, buy a iPad 6th Gen if you on a low budget because for 300 bucks you get the latest iOS and 64bit with a 9.7inch screen that runs even all apps.
Right on, cheapest wsy to have the latest iOs
Also it goes on sale sometimes for 250
I've done a bit of almost everything, including music production, on an iPad 2....for seven years. That said, I have upgraded to the iPad 6 (2018 model) and now I have the lightning port, so my options have only increased and improved. :)
I just picked up an iPad pro first gen 12.9 running IpadOS 14.4.2. I run Cubase, Garage band, and also use it to edit video. It is a nice mobile workstation when I am not near my production PC, which I built.
I just bought an iPad Pro 12.9 in, first gen running iPad OS 14.4.2 with 4gb RAM and 128GB storage. 64 bit architecture. It works great for what I use it for. I run Cubase and Garage Band on it. I also use it for video editing.
The fact you knew I would be coming here from the future is blowing my mind!
No seriously, thanks for the info bro. Definitely appreciated.
Just bought an iPad Pro 12.9 2017 series 2 model. It’s got the good screen & it’ll be powerful enough for my needs. Only cost me £225 on EBay. Can’t wait to get it 😊
I still use my iPad mini 2 for my travel studio, and it's awesome.
ImaginaryHeart 😃😃😃
I still rock my mini 2 with few issues unless I’m really pushing it
I mostly use the latest versions of Korg Gadget.
Korg Gadget pretty good?
@@scottcupp8129 It's fantastic. You know Korgs sounds (should at least) and they don't skimp with the sounds. I use gadget2 on my iphone pro max 12 and explain it to people like it's like a mobile version of Reason- for me it is. It's not a DAW, just like Reason isnt a DAW, its more or less a very workable sound engine. I wish I would have gotten Gadget 2 before many of the other purchases I made.
Another issue which can completely change things is how many apps you have which will run on the older iPad or if they’re even available on the App Store. As another poster has shared, you can begin to look at older iOS devices as if they were more traditional one off hardware synths which you can integrate into a larger setup using mixers, USB audio interfaces and camera connection kits for MIDI. Even the oldest iPads can be used effectively as MIDI controllers or you can route audio from old apps into newer apps using an audio interface or transferring the audio files over to the newer devices. These sorts of use cases are significantly different than the more complete music production usages you discuss in this video.
I agree, but the point of the video was to help out people who are looking to get into iOS music making and getting a budget iPad as their first device. This is what beginners usually are asking me about. I still use my older devices too in the manner you talk about.
I mean an iPad mini 1 is still very useful. However beginners usually want something to base their setup around and so that first device needs to be more powerful. 👍🏼
Jakob Haq yes people deciding to use their older devices or to buy older devices is a very different usage than someone getting their first iOS device for music production. One of the biggest differences is the availability of older apps you’ve purchased and being to use an older version of the app on older devices. The 32 bit app purge continues to have a significant impact on the ability to even use older devices. In addition, the more recent versions of iTunes has impacted the ability to backup and restore apps. These two moves by Apple along with the inability to roll back to an earlier version of iOS is part of the ratcheting process by Apple to encourage people to update to the most recent version of iOS and to use more recent iOS devices for compatibility reasons which are above and beyond the power of a given iOS device. For example, the most recent version of iOS which runs on an iPad 2 significantly impacted its performance versus the previous major iOS release. Users deciding to buy used iOS devices will definitely need to learn about the performance of their older used iOS device (as you’ve alluded to in your video) before updating to a new major release of an iOS and make sure they get the last version of an iOS that works well for their usage cases as that is usually the version developers will continue to support the longest. Supporting multiple versions of iOS can be very impractical and unsustainable for developers so users getting older devices will also be impacted by this issue as well.
Ok , here’s a tip that you will all find helpful , if you have an iPad 2 or iPad mini you will get problems installing the latest versions of iOS music apps , it will say your device is not compatible ,find someone who has a later model or even an iPhone and ask them to download the software you need on their device, then log in to your older device with your friends account, go to my apps in the App Store and it will list all the apps that your friend has ,including the software that apple told you is not compatible with your device, click download ,it will say the latest version of this app is not compatible with your device,and download an older version to your iPad. Older versions work just fine
First time I ever liked a video within 20 seconds. It was because of your USB 3.0 disclaimer. You rock.
“I’m Swedish, that’s why I can’t English properly” 😂😂😂. You are awesome
I have an iPad 2017 128 gb model and really love it. I mostly use Korg Gadget and sometimes Cubasis. I also interface the iPad with my PC cubase using the korg Plugkey and iRig Midi 2. This works great, as the 2017 model has a headphone jack. But now those newer iPads have USB-C I am wondering if Korg would make an updated version of the plugkey.
That's the same model I own, definitely want an ipad with pencil support, mini 5 possibly.
I have an iPad mini first gen. It’s certainly not the best to work with. But Cubasis runs on it also Korg Gadget, GarageBand, Poison-202 and so on. This iPad is temporarily. Want to buy a far more powerful iPad in the nearby future. I’m thinking about a refurbished iPad Air 2.
I use a 10.5" iPad Pro but I still use my iPad 4 as well because it runs Alchemy (the Camel Audio app) which cost me a lot. I was really pissed off when Apple bought out Camel Audio and made the app redundant as the Garage Band version is inferior to the original.
Alchemy , oh I lost all my upgrades so mine only has the original starter sounds!!!!! Those bastards destroyed my fav synth.
I find the iPads with an audio out easier to work with than just a lightning socket
otherwise you need to buy a multi-adaptor.
Lots of great software though: Synth One, Garage Band,...
I use an ancient iPad mini for iOS synths. At least the ones it runs. Sun riser and iM1-I mean those are two pretty awesome iOS synths, am I right?!?
If you could time travel, went to 1985, and told them you have an M-1 on your phone, they would lock you up.
I've considered a Mini 2 as a WiFi-only smart phone substitute, among other things, but then I realized it's a tad too big for use as a phone. Oh, well....
I started with an iPad 3rd gen (2012), bu it was only 32 bit, so wouldn't run some things that I wanted. I upgraded very cheaply to an iPad Air 2 (2014), and that still works Ok for me. I might need to replace it at some point, but for many musicians, an iPad Air is probably still adequate.
I would definitely say to get a 256Gb model, as music apps will quickly fill up the storage on the smaller models, which is a nuisance.
Of course, if you have the budget or are a heavy user, than getting a new one makes some sense, as the price difference between older and brand new ones is not really all that much.
Great advice. I think it changes if you already have a main device and you just want to run a couple of synths, possibly controlled with a midi controller, you could go for an older device. But you could also get a new iPod touch for £199 or so that will run stuff for the next 7 years. I have an iPad Pro for running the big stuff, and an older mini to run a couple of synths though AUM.
Meh, the new iPad 6th gen is the best pick because it can run almost everything and for 300 bucks its a great purchase.
I always buy an entry level iPad, keep it for five years, rinse repeat. I find I still get about 50% of what I paid for it, which I think is crazy considering how tired they are by this age. But since I can run any App I want on an ordinary iPad, there's no incentive for me to pay 3x as much for a Pro model.
You really help people get into the truly productive side of iOS my man,your videos are all aces and extremely helpful.
I have also been on the iOS music production train for almost 3 years now with an Air2.
This thing still rocks 25 audio tracks inside Cubasis and it’s still ready for some mixing with AU plugins.To avoid GPU crashes I freeze a lot,work with AU plugins in stages,then freeze and proceed with more.
My goal was to go full production with an iPad,due to day job ,kids and less time,but luckily my day job allows it(when working night shifts and begin the shift boss 😂) ,so I could go with something mobile,because music is my damn life,I will die if I stop doing it😂
So now,it’s usually me,my Air2,my Akai ABTS 28 speaker,my AKG K100’s and the night shift!!!😂😂😂Family deserves all the time left 😉
I use an analogy of 85\15 of Cubasis/Logic Pro today,where I would normally do nothing if I didn’t have the iPad,cause my new home don’t have the room I need for my studio gear.
Lately I even finished some tracks on Final Touch(Positive Grid) and I can say a 100% is possible.I would still maybe prefer to sit on Logic and my monitors,but it can be really done,because the tools are getting extremely awesome.
I only lately discovered the ProQ2 for the iPad,I also have it on Mac,but damn,ITS THE SAME AWESOMENESS.If the rest Fabfilters(mostly ProL for me) come along,then I think i have reached 100%
It is exactly like you said.If your passion is to make music and you have an iDevice,just open it and begin doing stuff.Start from GarageBand,it’s free in there.We begun composing in a chucky Roland MC-307 for God’s shake 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Again thank u Jakob,you’re just the best in this man.👊🏼
💛🧡💚💙
I have four iPads. My first one was the iPad three and I only bought it because when the iPad fours were out nothing was available for the lightning cable and everything was the 30 pin. Then I updated to an iPad mini retina and still had to deal with adapters for lightning cables and obviously have upgraded to more iPads sense but I still have use for my iPad three and there are a lot of apps that still run on it.
I have no problem using Loopy HD or sunrise or on the iPad three as they run good still. I don’t always rock the old iPads but in my opinion it’s worth more to me loaded with 75 or so audio apps not including many I beta test.
I wouldn’t go out of my way to buy one but it’s worth it for me to keep it as I have a lot of money invested in apps and I like to still be able to open up a bunch of iOS devices and fuck around with Bluetooth, virtual, and wired midi within my studio set up at home and even on the go.
Now my first iPhone was the iPhone 4 and I beta tested a shit ton of apps on that to the battery life is amazing on it but I never use it except maybe to stream Pandora or Use an old video app that hasn’t been updated or audio app that hasn’t been updated. I still have a 5S, a 6S, and I use my mothers 5C, and her SE along with my iPhone X. I just even have a lot of old max that you can still use for certain things and while I love the new technology unless something is completely use an old video app that hasn’t been updated or audio app that hasn’t been updated. I still have a 5S, a 6S, and I use my mothers 5C, and her SE along with my iPhone X. I just even have a lot of old max that you can still use for certain things and while I love new technology unless something is completely dead and on able to be used I’m not going to sell it for 50 bucks when it’s worth the $50 for me just to have access to a few drum machines and a sample run.
But I get where you’re coming from and I wouldn’t buy anything older than an iPad Mini retina to or an iPad five at this point. But I love all your fucking reviews as we have most of the same software, hardware, and apps and it’s nice to relate to someone who pretty much thinks the same. This was speech to text so pardon my grammar but I am a gear freak and I just love having more than what I need because of friends come over and they want to jam I always have something for someone to use.
I agree with the removal of the earphone jack, not Cool. But Apple is progressive and there will be workarounds from people like you Jakob. You are an inspiration to us IPad guys. I actually just mentioned you on my newsletter. I like the notion of multiple iPads on stage and studio. The future is an open book! Thanks for all you do and we(iPad guys&gals) appreciate !
I still use my 4th iPad but I can’t upgrade the OS past 10.3
Yeah that presents a bit of a challenge. I just upgraded to an iPad Pro 12.9 in First gen running iPadOS 14.4.2 It's only 32GB but really all I need. I do most of my production on my PC that I built. It is a Windows 10 machine running Dual Xeons, 48 GB of DDR4 RAM, between internal storage and external just at 52 Terabytes and Cubase 11 Pro. But the iPad is a GREAT mobile music, audio, and video editing workstation. My previous iPad was also a 4th Gen iPad. I really love the quad stereo speakers on the iPad Pro. It's a REALLY good sounding tablet.
I’ve had the mini4 for nearly 5 years and it’s still going strong but it really struggles with more than 1 model15 and that prompted me to get the 2017 pro.
this was not the video i was looking for, but thank you so much for the intro. I wish more youtubers would do this.
same. The intro was awesome.
Even though this video is about 2 years old i wanna say thanks for this, Jakob. I was planning on getting an older model iPad but after watching this I think I'll save some money and buy the latest iPad air. I'll just use my iPhone 12 for the time being. The small screen kinda sucks but the iPhone 12 is pretty powerful and runs everything flawlessly and it beats the hell outta using something like an iPad 2!
That’s a good idea. The only thing you need to consider in that case is that some apps aren’t available for iPhone. For instance, the FabFilter plugins only exist for iPad. I also went for an older model when getting the new iPad I now use. It’s an iPad 11” from 2018. I basically used a Swedish Auction site, for used gear, to get one for the low price of $500 (5000 swedish kronas). The site has the ability to track new adds based on keywords and so I was tracking every new add with the words “iPad Pro” in it for months. Suddenly one day, this one popped up and I just snatched it instantly. Patience can take you a long way. Good luck on hunting your next iOS Device! 👊🏼
The iPad I'm using now (7th gen) has a Lightning port. Never had one with a USB-C port.
I have an old iPad 4 with Cubasis LE 2 installed and it is GREAT but i only use it for MIDI, I have a MIDIface4x4 connected to the Ipad ( via the usual "camera connector ) so.. i have 4x16 MIDI channels to play with. THIS is a very useful setup this whay I control all my hardware synths from the iPad. So basically.. I run Ableton live on my "big computer" and then the iPAD acts as slave controlling just simple midi data leaving more processor power free on my big computer- So I have separated it to "No sound just MIDI" to the iPAD 4, sound and VSTs on the big computer.
It's basically an "old school setup" when we only had MIDI and a simple computers...
As I said on instagram, I’ve been picking up all the used iPads in my area and turning them into an isolated drum machine iPad, a soundscape ipad, a sample iPad and then my main rig. Picked up the new Tascam Model 24 which is IOS compliant to run my iPads, iPhones, and hardware all at the same time.
I have a mini 1, mini 2, 2017 iPad, iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus. No problem with any of them. Even the mini 1 works well with older apps.
Yeah it’s perfect when you know your stuff like you and me. However beginners don’t have our experience with this platform and so the point of this video is to help them picking out their first device. I get asked about this by people who wants to get into iOS music making and want to know if it’s worth starting out with an older device. 👍🏼
I’m sorry Jakob, I think you might have taken my comment in a condescending manner. I meant nothing of the sort and I completely agree with your video. You started me on my iOS journey 4 years ago, and it changed my life and unshackled me from my VSTs and hardware. I was just stating I found my workflow, workaround with older units. I was actually reading an article yesterday about the iPhone 6 unit and iPad equivalent will not support ios13 when it comes out this fall. I hope that’s not true as I still use an iPhone 6 Plus as a mobile recording and video unit.
I appreciate the time you spend on your videos and the information you provide.
No no, that wasn’t the case at all! 😅😅 I mean I still use all of my older devices and I am also in your camp when it comes to not wanting my older stuff to become obsolete. The most used tool I have over here apart from my iPad Pro is the iPhone 6s that have been my workhorse for a lot of years. I really don’t want it not to be able to run the next version of iOS. I sure hope what you read isn’t true either, because I’m not to fond of the thought of having to purchase a newer iPhone since they come without a headphone port.
The lack of headphone jack is why I haven’t bought a New iPad Pro yet. I actually talked with a Apple employee who works in development on a flight and I discussed the lack of headphone jacks and how it cripples music production and he basically said “we don’t care”, “the iPad isn’t designed for the musician in mind. The main push is for the average consumer, not niche markets.”
My response was, then stop calling it an iPad Pro if it’s not meant for professional tasks!
He didn’t talk to me the rest of the flight and I just continued “fingering my stuff”! I sooooo wanted to show him your Apple dongle video but didn’t have WiFi on the flight! Hahaha!
Yeah they are definitely always developing stuff for the average consumer, it’s all a “numbers game” In the end. I also wish they stopped calling their stuff Pro because it’s kinda misleading. They keep removing the stuff that made the products pro and “invent” a higher price.
I gotta get a new iPad. I've dropped this one I'm typing on many times going door to door searching for my missing 21 year old cat. I did do a pretty snazzy duct tape job on the edges though.
Did you find your cat? And why did you bring the iPad?
I am still rocking the IPad Mini 2. Headphone jack is super useful.
The issue with AU plugins is that ios9 can't run them. Anyway, iPad3, here :( Luckily I have an iPhone 7, so at least I can use some of the good stuff
el-bo V HUGE doh’ 🤦♂️ Somehow I forgot about that
IOS 9 does run them. It just iPad 2, 3 and I’m guessing also the mini 1 can’t run AUv3.
Thank God I bought an old iPad.
Coming from an Android environment was mind blowing to see what the iOS is capable when it comes to music.
And how shockingly incapable it is when you want to do something as complex as copy/export a file from A to B. Was quite the culture shock but after many hours of raging I figured out all I needed to get it working :D
@@KrumpusPlunk Man, jailbreak deals with almost everything.
Haq, your English grammar and vocab are better than most english speakers. trust me.
Great channel. Keep it up. You should have 200k subs for this quality.
Thank you very much! 👊🏼😊
Thanx I now know which I pad I need to buy
Very informative
Still only using my iPad Air one. 😃😃❤️
2022 update, if you have a chance to grab anything with a nice Bat, i.e. refurbished for well below half the price of a iPad2020, go for it. Otherwise just go for the iPad2020, It has the headphone port, and so you have an analog out and a charge port without any dongles.
Any bluetooth dongle plugged into anything with midi in and out will give you a $50 wireless controller. Simple and minimal cheap.
I have 3 , an iPad4 still has a decent bat / iPad Air2 has half the bat as the iPad4 at a higher price/ and an iPad 2020 cheapo version 127gb. The old iPads prior to 2017 struggle or can’t use new apps and certainly not the new ios.
Old ipads still work for sampling and sample management and can mostly handle all the old synths but as he mentions they have forced the old 32 bit apps off the store so….
The 2017 iPad / iPad air2 is used side by side with the 2020 I USUALLY only sample INTO it. Sampling is fine even on the oldest one, and honestly I can’t use three at a time, well I can but I dont. They all work smooth with airdrop.
I SUGGEST YOU ONLY BUY THE iPad 2020 and newer as of 2022 because it is super affordable. You REALLLLLY should aim for the devices with the headphone jack, otherwise you need a dongle just to be able to charge while using LATENCY FREE headphones. That said, the USB C is a nice addition, although not for me because I have so much lightning cable investments such as my audio4+ (Its old too and not sold no more ….. but I love it. )
Thanks, man! Very useful info. It`d be also interesting to check how Korg Gadget actually works on these 3 devices. I`m still struggling with my iPad 3 when working with heavy projects (maybe not so heavy, but anyways) on Korg Gadget. I'm thinking about buying something more powerful (like iPad 2018). And now, I'm your subscriber :)
I hear pro 10.5 and 12.9 have latency issues for many people so obviously the newer and more expensive doesn't mean better when it comes to music making.
Best part of the whole video was the dongle song at the end - I’m considering an upgrade to my 2015 iPad Pro 10.5” at some point in the future but not looking forward to a world with no headphone jack on the iPad. Very informative alternatives Jakob thank you
Bestbuy last week was selling the latest model of Ipad for 250$. Go to a pawn shop and see what you can find as well.
Love ur channel, i have ipad 4th gen, since 2012 using synth app like Spacelab, Alchemy,Launchkey and other apps for recording sound memo & using it as mp3 players, stop using after 2015, just last week update the software to 10.3 and dload Audiokit synthone and start fully utilising it again. I find that i cant press 3 keys together and the sound statt stuttering, but works fine if press 1 key at a time, so 4th gen ipad still can be used for making synth sampels for dekstop daw
Instead of buying an older iPad I’m going to buy Impaktor which you showed in the video haha
cheers mate, I'm new to music production on iPad, this was informative
Gratitude 4 you Jakob
Thank’s 4 thèse info
I love your videos Jakob - your energy and sense of humor is awesome. Thanks for the tech tips - I appreciate the great info. PS I am from the future. LOL!
Jakob, I know this video is old but my question is related to it. I noticed you like ipad minis and ipads with headphone jacks and we share the same sentiment since mobility is one of the main reasons for getting an ipad and having to lug around an audio interface everywhere makes it less portable.
Now to my question. Now in 2020, would you choose an ipad 8 over the mini? Being just as powerful as each other, based on size alone... Is the mini limiting when trying to twist knobs in synths or is it generally very useable? I do like the portability and betterscreen of the mini vs the 8 but was only concerned about the useability factor for using music apps.
What do you think about now in 2023 buying a used 2018 Ipad Pro 11 (A1980 model)? (550 Euro) ..It runs the A12X processor and I heard it's not bad, or spend a chunk more and get the newer M2 for over 1000 Euro?
The only iPad without the headphone jack is the 2018 iPad Pro, the regular iPads still have them, I think apple realized they can’t rival a pc with out the jack or poor sales but for now we’re in the clear.
I am happy with my old original iPad Pro 12.9(lightning and headphone jack) and my Air 2. If I want to run a lot of apps in AUM I run sequencers on my iPhone 7 Plus or the air 2 and send the midi to the iPad Pro using Bluetooth with the midifire app. I love the midifire app. It is brilliant for routing midi and has full StreamByter app built in plus other very cool thingies. There is no limit on what you can do with midi and no noticeable latency and doesn’t crash(extremely rarely). I want headphone jacks but am wondering if there are hubs that make a USB-c port handle it all just fine. I have a good laptop that I connect a lot using one USB-c port with hub having tons of ports with no problem. I use the USB 3 ports for my wireless mouse and internet is connected wired by the Ethernet port. I am a wired internet lover. Wifi is slower and less reliable. I will get a new iPad when Apple decides to stop playing games and puts out a real powerhouse, i mean the powerhouse that they can make but do, it want to. If they do it then it will mean people will stick with it longer. That’s why they only do small upgrades. It means way more sales. Understandable, but very frustrating.
I still have two iPhone 4's... why? because they run software which has been scrapped by more current versions of iOS. :-/ (very sadly, I might add...)
I saw a "new" app, the other day, that is basically the same thing as Impaktor.
Which app was that?
dood, your rocking this vid. keep it up.
Might I add this nugget of wisdom: buy what you can afford and need *today*. Ipads get cheaper slowly, then drop of a lot, then they stabilize (sanjaymeena.io/images/posts/books/non_linear_laws/s-curve.png ). So watch the prices and see when the drop starts. They usually start when a new ipad is introduced. Get your gear at some point after the first drop, but before the lower plateau, so you may be able to sell it later on. Also: try to get and keep the original charger, cable, box and stuff. helps in resale value. Finally: try to keep it scratchfree.
I didn't see the stand I thought they were on the bed against the wall. So confused .
Greetings from the future, my brother!
Great video!, I have 2 questions: what's the app you're using to record your voice?, what's the app you use to edit this video?
I’m was using Audioshare. Sometimes I record directly into Cubasis. However I always process all of my audio in Cubasis including my narration no matter where it’s been recorded. Regarding the video editing app is called LumaFusion. You can always find links to apps I’m talking about and showing in my episodes in the description. 👍🏼
why is he so sweet? He had me at - I hope you find what your looking for.
coming from the future. - anyone else?
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you're in the past now. ENJOY FESTIVALS IN YOUR SUMMER
So, my first thought was "How ****ing big are those iPads?". Then I noticed the music stand.
Nice video.
I have an IPad mini 1, and the only app running without problem it's beatmaker2.
I'm upgrading for IPad mini 2 this week mainly because koala sampler.
I don't use big daws, so I think I'm good.
Can you tell me if koala sampler runs good on IPad mini 2?
Very helpful video. Thank you.
Great Vid Jakob, I just thought of something, have considered doing a iPad optimization video? Meaning what to have on or off on your iPad?
Yeah sure, many times. But then a new iOS version comes out and they’ll move around stuff in the settings and suddenly my video becomes obsolete. I don’t want have to make a new video every year about it. So I’m looking for stuff that doesn’t change that much before I make a video on it. I guess I don’t like wasting time. 😂😅
I use an app called Status that helps clear up ram very well.
cheers brooo.
Hey love the channel! Had a quick question. I’m deciding whether to get an older model as entry to iOS music making...Regarding the lightning connection situation compared to a usb c connection, is the only drawback just the inconvenience of having to use the additional lightning to usb converter? or does it have any other effects on playback sound quality or production performance in general, compared to having a direct usb c connection on the iPad? Thanks!!
Jakob mentions that the main reason he dislikes the move to USB-C is that those iPad models also lost the headphone jack and he doesn't want an iPad without that (this point is reiterated in the 😂 video at the end) I agree - it's the one thing stopping me from upgrading to a Pro from my Air2 - good job Apple!
Thanks YocubYakum - always appreciate your stuffs and have a lot of fun watchin em. Hey so whats the deal with AU units. Can i use the AU units from the ipad over on the DAW? I see apple has a bunch of AUs that come up in ableton - thought you'd know the magic answer and its hopefully yezzzzzzz
Go check the answer I left on your initial comment! 😉👍🏼
@Jakob Haq Hi Jakob. Old vid. And near Xmas. So who knows? /but I'll try asking. Apple has just released an ios 12.5 suitable for older devices. To enable covid notification. (Etc?) So would that let old machines install and run other ios 10+ apps?
I just saw the headline. Will read up on it. But hmmm...
I came cuz I have,,,yeah,,,a "very old one". ipad 2. Oh well.
I really appreciated how you approached the answer. Setting baseline, then more brackets.
Happy holidays.
iOS 12.5 will only be available for devices from iPhone 5 and up. I don’t think it will be compatible for something as old as iPad 2.
@@JakobHaq Hi. No, won't work for ipad2/mini1. Old chip. I had just read headline. Did research after posting. Shoulda done it t'other way around. Thanks for quick reply. cheers
Hello I am going to buy an iPad mini 2019 and can he run heavy projects in garageband and in general he can run any music app without a problem?
Do you think that the iPad Pro 12.9 Gen 1 will be able to run iPad OS 15. And if so, should I update
I’m not sure and I don’t like to speculate. When it comes to upgrading; I have always recommended not updating early because of how stuff always break with new iOS versions. It’s a never ending story. People update early and then there are months and months of bug reports from users. I always wait quite a bit (months) before even considering an update. You have to ask yourself this. Do you need the new update now with a risk that your rig becomes unstable? Since I work with my rig everyday I can’t afford having important apps glitch out on me due to a shoddy update (this has happened to me before).
Damn been looking into using my ipad air 1 but seems it's the same as the mini 2 internally
I have learned a lot from ur videos! Great work man.
Maybe you could help me. I got a MPC, but the i dont like the workflow and im thinking of buying an Ipad 8 (I have a coupon for free korg gadget app that came with my minilogue xd).
Is it worth it in terms of long life? I know the MPC last for years, would u say the ipad has a short or long life for music production? I never had one before.
An iPad can last you a long time. I still have older devices that I use. Sure some of them are so old now that they won’t take the newer iOS versions. I still use an iPad Pro from 2015 (now 6 years old) will be able to run the latest iOS 15 when it comes out. And I’m pretty certain it’ll be able to run some later versions too.
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And get even when an iDevice gets really old, one can still use it for stuff. The oldest device I have is an iPad mini 1 (2012) and I still use it for stuff like live performance etc. It’s slow yeah but I can easily run lighter apps on it (I don’t recommend getting something this old however).
@@JakobHaq Nice to hear that! Thanks for the reply. I use Figure and other music apps on my phone, but i want a device just for music, to not overload my cellphone. An ipad will work great.
0:13 I came from the future... 2020
Do you have an App to erase Terminator Dark Fate?
Hello future person! 😂😂 Ouch! I haven’t watched that one yet, so don’t spoil It for me. I want to experience it no matter how bad it might be. And no, I haven’t found an app that is powerful enough to do that sort of stuff ... yet. 👍🏼
..... Im not a fan of IOS DAW , i still love to seat on my captain chair and look at a bigger screen 📺 for my music production...
I do all my sampling on IOS but all audio files get push into my desktop 🖥 for mixing and mastering...
I still love the old fashion point and click of the mouse.
old habits die hard bro
Great video 👌
Hey Jakob. I am looking for an answer and thought of you cause oyu always well informed. While using Patterning 2 i had a ultra simple Kick-Snare loop sample that was a bit off kilter , meaning it was obviously made for another Tempo than my project. I then realised i can`t find any option to edit the Sample in Patterning other than shortening it basically. I need your opinion on whhich app can i use in order to: Import a sample-> Edit+Quantize it if needed-> export it easily (or at all). I am overwhelmed by all the apps and can`t literally remember which-if any can do this . Like Set Quantize a beat and then bounce it to a new edited loop. Any info would be greatly appreciated. God Bless
I usually do stuff like that in a DAW. I personally use Cubasis. However Blocs Wave could also work out for you as it has a really good timestretch-keep pitch type of algorithm.
@@JakobHaq I tried Blocs. The only function i see is kindo of a Time stretch thingy but no quantize. When i use this and have, say a drum break i want to loop, i need the ability to manually quantize -moove individual drum hits of the audio loop in order to get it tight with the rest of the Project. The Function in Blocs does not offer this . Its a bit hit and miss. Will have to try Cubasis now. I have V2. Does this have this functionality? Havent used it over 5 minutes in 1 year. Always end up with Nanostudio 2 or Patterning 2
Great topic!
Jakob what's ur opinion on the new iPadOS vs ios, then apple will eventually kill off inter-app audio :(
To early for me to have an opinion about this. I always try to educate myself as much as possible on a topic before I speak on it. This iPadOS thing is so new that a lot of info out there is wrong or misrepresented due to misunderstandings and speculations. I’m waiting a bit longer before I say my piece.
Every time i see that you place your ipads on this note holder i feel not good. Are you not worried that your precious iPAds might fall off?
It’s not visible but there are two “sticks” behind the iPads locking them down, plus the magnets in the covers hold them in place too. They’re more sturdy than you think. I’m mostly worried that I’ll knock down the whole stand. In the end it all depends on how you view it. I’m either reckless ... or ... I’m great at creating suspense! 😂😅
‘I can’t English properly’ 😂
Simples! 👍
Well damn, i appreciate the disclaimer in the beginning. I need usbc😊 Pressed for time now but will come back to watch anyway.
Why buying a Air 2 when you can have a new iPad 2018 for less?
The point of this video has to do with shopping older iPads on a budget. The older models are less expensive (at least over here). An iPad Air 2 2018 64GB can be purchased at around $220-$250 in my area while the iPad 6th 2018 32GB model costs $300-$350. So if you’re one a budget and is looking for an iDevice that is powerful with the most storage space then the iPad Air 2 is a really good option. Plus you get double the storage space which is preferable when doin creative work. The biggest difference between two is that the iPad 6th 2018 model has a quad core CPU at 2.34GHz, whereas the iPad Air 2 2014 has a triple core CPU at 1.5GHz. Other than that they have almost the same specs wen it comes to ram, screen size, resolution, connection ports, cameras (front and back) etc.
Btw where did you find the iPad 6th 2018 for less than iPad Air 2? Link to it please because others reading this might want to get them at that price! 👍🏼
@@JakobHaq I get the point. The only thing is that's the prices differences of the used Air2 and the new 2018 model are small.
@@JakobHaq Jakob Haq Jakob Haq Slightly more expensive over here (Netherlands). iPad Air2 16gb used €270, 64gb used €300 . iPad 2018 32gb new €270, 128gb €350. Personally I would go for a new 2018 model.
@@JakobHaq Thank you I just ordered an Ipad Air 2 yesterday and was wondering if it would be powerful enough.
I am actually from the future. Don’t tell the US government.
For lazy people: if you're on budget go for ->> Ipad Air 2
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C'mon man...do some extra close up shots and edit them...It' s not so hard. Those enlarged pixelised intercuts are so annoying, they make me just leave the video which in all other terms is very interesting and informative....chears
Music need to spend a lot of money)))))
i'm coming from the future
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Do swedish people like swedish fish?
Sure, but I don’t eat fish. :)
@@JakobHaq O: THE CANDY BRO
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