This was made by retuning manually in musescore. There are now plugins available for it which enable 19-tet and other tunings, so you don't need to do it how I did. (github.com/euwbah/musescore-n-tet-plugins ) If you don't need to do it in a notation software, you can find synths or other VSTs which support retuning. Take a look at Sevish's video about how to use microtones in electronic music.
Those tiny chromatic runs are a revelation to me! They make the unfamiliar intervals suddenly feel precise and intentional and therefore so much easier to parse and appreciate. They really guided my ear into the 19tet space. They're also delightfully nostalgic, almost homey, like a knit sweater.
We'll see! Big fan of 22 and 31, and also ji stuff. Been making microtonal music myself as well, if ever you have some time, check it out! I found this song through the 'exploring 19-tet' stuff you did, very enjoyable!
So you wrote this piece? Honestly this might be one of the best microtonal pieces Ive ever heard! A lot of microtonal music sounds terrible but this seems like it was very carefully crafted to still have strong melodic qualities to it. The intro in particular is fantastic.
I'd recommend Ben Johnson's string quartets. No. 10 especially is incredibly beautiful (if the opening isn't to your taste, I'd recommend even just listening to the finale)
I hadn't heard of 19-TET til 5 minutes ago while watching a 12-tone video about it. This is the first thing that comes up when you search "19 tet music", it's the first piece I've heard using this scale, and I really like it. Just so you know, I'm a music producer, and a big part of my job is getting things in tune, so a lot of this just sounds out of tune to me, but it doesn't diminish the beauty of it. I feel like if I listened to this piece about 20 times I would totally get used to the difference in tuning and wouldn't think twice about it. I am not sure if that's a good thing for my career or not! But I may do it anyway because it's really cool to hear music with new notes. Thanks for doing this! I hope my comments were interesting.
@@HEHEHEIAMASUPAHSTARSAGA I would think it would add to the experience. Once you're used to the extra notes, it's just more colors I guess. I don't know. I may be back in a few weeks to check back in....gonna go listen to some more stuff! Thanks for the reply!
I think I have been listening to this piece more than 20 times now since I discovered it two days ago. I just can't get enough of those microtonal chromatic runs!
If any kind of music deserves to be called innovativ, THIS is it. SUPAHSTAR SAGA, you are incredible, you absolutely need to upload more microtonal music! It's a shame there isn't more stuff like this on youtube (or anywhere else actually...)
I can only imagine the sheer amount of work that went into making this. I'm new to microtonal music, but listening to this was definitely an amazing experience!
I just discovered this while listening to some other microtonal pieces and have to say, well done! This is wonderfully beautiful and inspiring! Thanks for creating and posting this!
I have played too much piano to enjoy piano sounds in 19-tet instead of 12-tet, it just can't seem to sink in. I do love the flute and bells very much. The whole composition is really nice, but the sounds are a bit too clean for my personal taste. Perhaps I should share some of my 19-tet trial song sketches.
I find that the piano really accentuates the sound of a tuning. That makes it good for demonstrations, but it can be harder to get used to than other instruments.
Jeroen Rijckaert as a flute player, I tend to to have that problem with listening to 24-tonal flute but I also really liked the flute in this piece, it was really pretty.
One thing, what are the names of the instruments you used in the song? I like the timbre, but I cant tell what the instruments are by ear, and it's listed as "other" on the pdf
Strange and wonderful! Loved it! :-) I've dabbled in 19-TET before, retuning my synth, but I couldn't get used to the idea that what looks like an octave+fifth is actually just the octave. It was too hard to play!
Maybe you could do a multi-keyboard setup where one keyboard is 12 notes of 19-tet, and the white keys of the other keyboard are the remaining 7. It would be hard to play, but maybe easier to understand.
This is amazing! It's so out there due to the tuning, yet feels perfectly fitting in some way. I feel like this would work very well in some sort of nostalgic video game or something. May I ask what software or plug-ins you use to get/play the pitches? It's awesome, this is really beautiful!
Thanks so much! A lot of very out-there stuff can sound natural if you justify it properly. One thing I really like about 19-tet is that it can really bridge the gap between normal stuff and stuff that's more xen. I used MuseScore to write this piece. Each individual note has a tuning value in cents which you can edit. If you want to retune a whole passage, there's a way to tune multiple notes at once. Right-click a note, then go to Select -> More, then select all notes with the same spelling. Then you can type in the tuning value for all of those notes.
@@HEHEHEIAMASUPAHSTARSAGA Agreed! Also, thanks a tonne for the tip :D If I were to ever make and/or upload something using this tuning myself, I'll make sure to inform/credit you haha
Years ago I helped my nephew build tubular bells in 19 tone tuning. The sound was haunting.. haarmonics would pop out of "nodes" in the air or so it seemed. There are hints of traditional harmony within but seemingly also a new sound "dimension".
I don't think chromatic runs work with really small intervals. It almost feels like there's no movement at all. I love the big leaps around 1:40 really helps to color in the scale.
I back what others already said, this is a great microtonal piece! I wonder whether it maybe uses fewer different notes than other pieces, so that we instintively identify these notes with its nearest 12-tone neighbour having the feeling that we're listening to a normal 12-tone composition just played with a poorly tuned instrument...
This video won't play through my bluetooth earbuds, oddly enough. No sound at all. (but I hear the advertisement and other apps/videos) It worked through my phone speaker, though
This is a great composition, but ONE thing has perturbed me ever since I first heard this piece: The perfect fifths on the treble clef staff at 0:49 sound fine, but the perfect fifths at 0:54 sound so much more "twangy" and dissonant. Is this a problem with the software you composed this with?
Thanks so much! This was made by retuning manually in musescore. There are now plugins available for it which enable 19-tet and other tunings, so you don't need to do it how I did. If you don't need to do it in a notation software, you can find synths or other VSTs which support retuning. Take a look at Sevish's video about how to use microtones in electronic music.
@@HEHEHEIAMASUPAHSTARSAGA Thank you so much, that was super helpful. Looking forward to hearing more of your music! Also Sevish is such a beast hahaha/
Hey great videos you're doing here! However I think it would be easier for the audience to understand if you started using less approximating accidentals like half-flats and sharps or accidentals with arrows in the direction of the difference in tuning from twelve tone, like how some other microtonal pieces are notated. I'm glad someone is making videos like these though!
Dean Supahstar I am a flutist and I would be happy to try this playing with my flute. If you have the midi file or could let me have just the accompaniment, I’ll work on it and let you know what it makes ;-) I also practice musescore so the musescore file would be excellent ! Happy New Year
I'm happy that you're interested! The midi file wouldn't get the tuning right. However, I can give you the musescore file, and/or the stems. Join the xenharmonic discord and contact me. discord.gg/z3fZREDR
Great stuff! 19 limit intonation is where it is at for me though since I hate everything being out of tune in equal temperament. Here is the catch tho, my tones are not divided into octaves, I let them "run freely" in infinite tone space! I can have any tone I want as long as it is 19 limit or below and all I do is change the exponents on the prime numbers. I choose which one's to use depending on the consonance (Euler gradus function).
Lovely song, Supahstar Saga! Your series on the music theory of 19-TET was very useful and informative! I am finding that some of my melodies and chord progressions sound better in 19-TET than in 12-TET. I would love to invent a mass-produced 19-TET piano in the future! I have a question: This song tuned to A440, right? (So Bb = 473.30.) My ear is still getting used to the different tuning system so it is hard for me to tell.
@@HEHEHEIAMASUPAHSTARSAGA Thank you. I think that A440 would be a good standard for 19-TET, should the system become more mainstream. I noticed your song is in 5/4, a time signature that I find difficulty composing with as I am so used to 4/4. But I really love the rhythm here. You have a lot of talent, composing in 19-TET and 5/4 at the same time. I hope to hear more music like this from you! 🙂
Dude, I'm enamored by these type compositions. My recommendation is to export midi files with their pitch bend (assuming that's what's done on musescore) and get some different samples/instruments timbre on the composition. You'll sit there like a stoned Deadmaus trying to find the better tones, but it can take away the roboticism a little bit too. reaper or garageband with daw stuff may benefit, but it can be a daunting rabbit hole.
Thanks! I've been using reaper for a few years lol. It's better to do microtonal stuff in reaper anyway, cause you can just set up a piano roll in a microtonal tuning without worrying about notation
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This was made by retuning manually in musescore. There are now plugins available for it which enable 19-tet and other tunings, so you don't need to do it how I did. (github.com/euwbah/musescore-n-tet-plugins ) If you don't need to do it in a notation software, you can find synths or other VSTs which support retuning. Take a look at Sevish's video about how to use microtones in electronic music.
Okay should be fixed. The problem was just the right parenthesis.
@@HEHEHEIAMASUPAHSTARSAGAHi.
Not only is it microtonal, but it’s also in 5/4
Should it be any surprise that people nerdy enough to learn a whole new tuning system also have an affinity for odd time signatures? Lol
Those tiny chromatic runs are a revelation to me! They make the unfamiliar intervals suddenly feel precise and intentional and therefore so much easier to parse and appreciate. They really guided my ear into the 19tet space. They're also delightfully nostalgic, almost homey, like a knit sweater.
Thank you for this analogy, it is lovely
Just wanted to say that those chromatic runs stood out to me, too. First time I’ve heard non-12TET chromatic runs that felt so natural, I think.
It sounds like a very artsy soundtrack to a JRPG.
It's definitely a difficult task composing in a super uncommon tonal system, but I think you nailed it
If anything, 19 is _not_ super uncommon.
I'm considering writing a lumatone solo in 19-TET
23-EDO for the truly adventurous/ reckless
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The beginning really makes me think of undertale and minecraft.
Same brooo
For me, it sounds more like Super Mario Galaxy.
Yeah. I should learn how to play this
i was thinking sim city
feels like zelda and undertale to me. minecraft doesn’t do weird key changes last time i heard their music. (Don’t count on me for this one)
Man this is cool, it’s like a microtonal Ocarina of Time main theme
You wield the new chords and melodies of 19 with aplomb, seamlessly connecting them to the old guard in a way that's nothing short of beautiful. 💙
Thank you for the wonderful response.
this is really good, this is my "gateway song" to microtonal music
Same lol
2:15 is truly remarkable! its almost like the tone is being lifted up into the air haha
The way you play with the aura of 19, I've never heard before. Up until now I wasn't convinced of 19, but this opened my ears a bit, I'm intrigued!
Thanks! I hope you find more 19-tet music you like.
We'll see! Big fan of 22 and 31, and also ji stuff. Been making microtonal music myself as well, if ever you have some time, check it out!
I found this song through the 'exploring 19-tet' stuff you did, very enjoyable!
I'm definitely interested in 22. The syntonic comma is scary, but very interesting. 31 seems good too, but I feel it's too big.
So you wrote this piece? Honestly this might be one of the best microtonal pieces Ive ever heard! A lot of microtonal music sounds terrible but this seems like it was very carefully crafted to still have strong melodic qualities to it. The intro in particular is fantastic.
I'd recommend Ben Johnson's string quartets. No. 10 especially is incredibly beautiful (if the opening isn't to your taste, I'd recommend even just listening to the finale)
This made me cry even though it's midi music. I can only imagine how amazing it would sound like if played on instruments.
Well this piece has been pretty thoroughly stuck in my head all day. I love that 5/4 groove in the bass line.
I hadn't heard of 19-TET til 5 minutes ago while watching a 12-tone video about it. This is the first thing that comes up when you search "19 tet music", it's the first piece I've heard using this scale, and I really like it.
Just so you know, I'm a music producer, and a big part of my job is getting things in tune, so a lot of this just sounds out of tune to me, but it doesn't diminish the beauty of it.
I feel like if I listened to this piece about 20 times I would totally get used to the difference in tuning and wouldn't think twice about it. I am not sure if that's a good thing for my career or not!
But I may do it anyway because it's really cool to hear music with new notes.
Thanks for doing this! I hope my comments were interesting.
Thanks for listening! It takes a while for the "out of tune" feeling to go away, but ideally it doesn't detract from listening to microtonal music.
@@HEHEHEIAMASUPAHSTARSAGA I would think it would add to the experience. Once you're used to the extra notes, it's just more colors I guess. I don't know. I may be back in a few weeks to check back in....gonna go listen to some more stuff! Thanks for the reply!
The most intriguing stuff ive heard in awhile
I think I have been listening to this piece more than 20 times now since I discovered it two days ago. I just can't get enough of those microtonal chromatic runs!
I love these passing tones first appears at 4th bar
This is beautiful, it sounds alien, yet so familiar in a way, the tension is always beautifully resolved. Great job! You earned a sub :)
Warm. It’s delightful. Great work.
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I was already gonna study a good bit of microtonality, mainly 24 and 31-edo, but this video really convinced me to give 19-edo a try. Sounds lovely!
Thank you for the beautiful nostalgic music.
If any kind of music deserves to be called innovativ, THIS is it. SUPAHSTAR SAGA, you are incredible, you absolutely need to upload more microtonal music! It's a shame there isn't more stuff like this on youtube (or anywhere else actually...)
Thank you! There's plenty of good microtonal music being made. Check out Zhea Erose, Sevish, and Xotla. I'm still working on microtonal music.
This is absolutely beautiful, such a gorgeous sound.
Amazing work dude. This made me feel like a sunrise was trying to swallow me. Really good work
I can only imagine the sheer amount of work that went into making this. I'm new to microtonal music, but listening to this was definitely an amazing experience!
WOW!! This is the most mesmerizing piece of music I have ever heard. Literally sounds like it could have come from another planet. I love it!!
This is awesome. Really captures the beauty of 19-TET and microtonality in general.
I just discovered this while listening to some other microtonal pieces and have to say, well done! This is wonderfully beautiful and inspiring! Thanks for creating and posting this!
Oh wow, I'm jealous! It's a very beautiful composition you made. Thank you for making this and sharing.
Thank you for listening to it!
This is very good and unpretentious.
Very well done. Otherworldly yet familiar. Thanks for the experience.
Wow totally didnt expect 19 tet music can sound so beautiful!
Now that's mindblowing!
left hand starting at 3:12 to 4:08 is absolutely amazing holy cow
Best microtonal piece ever
Honestly in love with this piece of music
I loved this, I hope I'll hear some more microtonal music from you in the future!
Thanks so much! I'm trying my best
Lovely!
I have played too much piano to enjoy piano sounds in 19-tet instead of 12-tet, it just can't seem to sink in. I do love the flute and bells very much. The whole composition is really nice, but the sounds are a bit too clean for my personal taste. Perhaps I should share some of my 19-tet trial song sketches.
I find that the piano really accentuates the sound of a tuning. That makes it good for demonstrations, but it can be harder to get used to than other instruments.
Jeroen Rijckaert as a flute player, I tend to to have that problem with listening to 24-tonal flute but I also really liked the flute in this piece, it was really pretty.
@@HEHEHEIAMASUPAHSTARSAGA 100% agree with you
mindblowing. jaw-dropping. perfect.
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Ooh, I love this - it just slides into the ear
What the heck this is impressive! Amazing job, man
This is one of the most impressive songs I've ever heard wow
One thing, what are the names of the instruments you used in the song? I like the timbre, but I cant tell what the instruments are by ear, and it's listed as "other" on the pdf
I know I already commented here three months ago but I just wanna say this is beautiful
The 19-TET is a wonderful thing -- so much awesome music can be made with it
Thanks for stepping out of 12 tet. It's refreshing.
Strange and wonderful! Loved it! :-) I've dabbled in 19-TET before, retuning my synth, but I couldn't get used to the idea that what looks like an octave+fifth is actually just the octave. It was too hard to play!
Maybe you could do a multi-keyboard setup where one keyboard is 12 notes of 19-tet, and the white keys of the other keyboard are the remaining 7. It would be hard to play, but maybe easier to understand.
I've only listened to this four times and I'm already hooked -- I'd love to see more like this.
The melody is a bit too simple but I SO LOVE how interesting it sounds, it's like music from other planet
It says piano, but I don't think you can play this on a piano... But it's ok you can probably play it on the " O t h e r . " Very beautiful!
this is beautiful!
This is beautiful...!!
beautiful
this was super cool! thank you for sharing.
wow this sounds so cool
This is amazing! It's so out there due to the tuning, yet feels perfectly fitting in some way. I feel like this would work very well in some sort of nostalgic video game or something. May I ask what software or plug-ins you use to get/play the pitches? It's awesome, this is really beautiful!
Thanks so much! A lot of very out-there stuff can sound natural if you justify it properly. One thing I really like about 19-tet is that it can really bridge the gap between normal stuff and stuff that's more xen.
I used MuseScore to write this piece. Each individual note has a tuning value in cents which you can edit. If you want to retune a whole passage, there's a way to tune multiple notes at once. Right-click a note, then go to Select -> More, then select all notes with the same spelling. Then you can type in the tuning value for all of those notes.
@@HEHEHEIAMASUPAHSTARSAGA Agreed! Also, thanks a tonne for the tip :D If I were to ever make and/or upload something using this tuning myself, I'll make sure to inform/credit you haha
@@HEHEHEIAMASUPAHSTARSAGA What's the pros/cons of using 19 vs normal quarter tones? (i say "normal" lol)
Most of 19-TET's intervals are closer to just than 24-TET's.
@@HEHEHEIAMASUPAHSTARSAGA I see! thanks!
I really like the 7th measure in the beginning
its beautiful
This is SO COOL! Absolutely love it.
It’s so lovely! 😭
NOW i feel like ceres and callypso are in the deep time
This piece is really lovely.
great job and thanks for this and other great microtonal videos.
It’s beautiful
Years ago I helped my nephew build tubular bells in 19 tone tuning. The sound was haunting.. haarmonics would pop out of "nodes" in the air or so it seemed. There are hints of traditional harmony within but seemingly also a new sound "dimension".
When your music taste goes way above beyond.
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Gorgeous composition!
I don't think chromatic runs work with really small intervals. It almost feels like there's no movement at all. I love the big leaps around 1:40 really helps to color in the scale.
I back what others already said, this is a great microtonal piece! I wonder whether it maybe uses fewer different notes than other pieces, so that we instintively identify these notes with its nearest 12-tone neighbour having the feeling that we're listening to a normal 12-tone composition just played with a poorly tuned instrument...
There are some intervals which are almost exactly between two 12edo intervals, so I'm not sure that's always happening.
I know it’s been over a year since my last comment, but it’s still so beautiful
There’s a “Legend of Zelda” feeling to this piece.
19tet에선 올림라장조(D# Major)의 이명동조가 겹내림마장조(Ebb Major)인것 아시죠? 😊😊
This video won't play through my bluetooth earbuds, oddly enough. No sound at all. (but I hear the advertisement and other apps/videos) It worked through my phone speaker, though
this is super cool........ sounds like the majora's mask soundtrack, but the way my kid brain remembered it sounding
This is a great composition, but ONE thing has perturbed me ever since I first heard this piece: The perfect fifths on the treble clef staff at 0:49 sound fine, but the perfect fifths at 0:54 sound so much more "twangy" and dissonant. Is this a problem with the software you composed this with?
The treble fifths are sharpened in bar 19 to make a super-major 7th chord. It can be a bit hard to get used to, but I really like the sound.
all i can really say is wow
Thank you, this is really good.
Can you eventually make an analysis video breaking down the composition process? That would be really cool. :)
Maybe one day. For now, you may want to try analysing it yourself.
Would like to see what else you do with 19tet. The new array of colour for exploration is wonderous. What scales did u use for this composition?
I based the harmony on the diatonic scale and the Enneatonic scale (331313131).
Cool and well done!
Thanks Odin!
you nailed it man
This is absolutely amazing. I'm so excited hearing this. Could you please let me know what softwares I can use to be able to do something like this?
Thanks so much! This was made by retuning manually in musescore. There are now plugins available for it which enable 19-tet and other tunings, so you don't need to do it how I did. If you don't need to do it in a notation software, you can find synths or other VSTs which support retuning. Take a look at Sevish's video about how to use microtones in electronic music.
@@HEHEHEIAMASUPAHSTARSAGA Thank you so much, that was super helpful. Looking forward to hearing more of your music! Also Sevish is such a beast hahaha/
Very great 🤩
Great!
Great...reminds me of Mother3 final music....❤
Hey great videos you're doing here! However I think it would be easier for the audience to understand if you started using less approximating accidentals like half-flats and sharps or accidentals with arrows in the direction of the difference in tuning from twelve tone, like how some other microtonal pieces are notated. I'm glad someone is making videos like these though!
19-TET works with standard accidentals very well. Once you understand how it works, they're the clearest and most convenient option.
I feel like I’m having a stroke listening to this /pos ❤
i love this
That's cool!! Keep it up!!!
이것덕분에 19라는 숫자를 좋아하게 되었습니다
Very good.
Hermosa pieza!!
Dean Supahstar
I am a flutist and I would be happy to try this playing with my flute. If you have the midi file or could let me have just the accompaniment, I’ll work on it and let you know what it makes ;-)
I also practice musescore so the musescore file would be excellent !
Happy New Year
I'm happy that you're interested! The midi file wouldn't get the tuning right. However, I can give you the musescore file, and/or the stems. Join the xenharmonic discord and contact me. discord.gg/z3fZREDR
Amazing!))
Great stuff! 19 limit intonation is where it is at for me though since I hate everything being out of tune in equal temperament. Here is the catch tho, my tones are not divided into octaves, I let them "run freely" in infinite tone space! I can have any tone I want as long as it is 19 limit or below and all I do is change the exponents on the prime numbers. I choose which one's to use depending on the consonance (Euler gradus function).
Lovely song, Supahstar Saga! Your series on the music theory of 19-TET was very useful and informative! I am finding that some of my melodies and chord progressions sound better in 19-TET than in 12-TET. I would love to invent a mass-produced 19-TET piano in the future!
I have a question: This song tuned to A440, right? (So Bb = 473.30.) My ear is still getting used to the different tuning system so it is hard for me to tell.
Thanks so much! It is tuned to A440.
@@HEHEHEIAMASUPAHSTARSAGA Thank you. I think that A440 would be a good standard for 19-TET, should the system become more mainstream. I noticed your song is in 5/4, a time signature that I find difficulty composing with as I am so used to 4/4. But I really love the rhythm here. You have a lot of talent, composing in 19-TET and 5/4 at the same time. I hope to hear more music like this from you! 🙂
Dude, I'm enamored by these type compositions. My recommendation is to export midi files with their pitch bend (assuming that's what's done on musescore) and get some different samples/instruments timbre on the composition. You'll sit there like a stoned Deadmaus trying to find the better tones, but it can take away the roboticism a little bit too. reaper or garageband with daw stuff may benefit, but it can be a daunting rabbit hole.
Thanks! I've been using reaper for a few years lol. It's better to do microtonal stuff in reaper anyway, cause you can just set up a piano roll in a microtonal tuning without worrying about notation