Making a Sailboat Longer | Windpuff's Rebuild [S1 Ep2]
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Herby and Warren begin making the foam pattern for the boomkin. This project will make Windpuff about 5 feet longer, turning this Alberg 30 into a different boat! We made a wooden frame that attaches to the stern of the Alberg, then we filled the space with foam blocks. This is a very rudimentary shape which needs a lot of filling and fairing to make this piece actually function as a pattern. It is important to note that this is not the final length of the boomkin, as it will be cut much shorter. Once the shape is further along, we will decide on the final length. It is always easier to cut it shorter than to make it a little longer!
0:00 Intro
0:42 Why are we making the boat longer?
1:54 How are we doing this?
2:20 Planning the next project: Bulwarks
3:24 Finding people who know more than you do
4:46 Building the wood frame
7:04 Adding the foam blocks
13:05 Foam form completed
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R.I.P Alberg!
More of a Phoenix, reborn as a different cruising boat.
We used to extend transom regularly at the Cascade yard in Portland. We'd use formica paneling, smooth side inside, attached and conforming to the boat. Self-fairing and shaping, easily released when glassed. A fairly easy process. Nice work!
I wanted to do it that way but got talked into making a pattern/mold/piece for it. The complicated method should make it easier to fit and mount the other parts we need.
Wow, what an exciting project you've got going on with Windpuff's rebuild! It's great to see you taking on the challenge of making a sailboat longer. I understand that you may have some considerations regarding stern buoyancy and aesthetics, but it's fantastic to see you exploring functional benefits like adding a bowsprit and gaining extra length. The extension process sounds interesting, and it's awesome that you're sharing your experience here on UA-cam. Keep up the good work, Herb! I'm sure your creativity and determination will lead to great results. Cheers to your sailing adventures ahead! 🌊⛵️
Thank you very much :) it is a serious head scratching kind of modification as there are so many factors involved.
So happy to see this video....I've been patiently waiting..😅..🙏❤️🇺🇸⛵️👣🫠
It’s finally coming along
Interesting series you've started, thanks man!
Thank you!
very interesting. can't wait to see the extension fitted in place
I can’t wait either!
Glad you are doing this project. I have been thinking about doing just that to my boat.
Now you can see how 😉
Can not wait to see how your mold is made.
It certainly is a process!
Can't wait to watch this develop! I have a Morgan 36 that I'm refitting and plan to do something similar with the stern and toe rails. Glad I'm not the only crazy one haha!
Everyone wishes to do this on their boats because it would be nice to have it done!
Wow this is amazing! Can't wait to watch the progress.
I already had a tail extension idea in the making for my Aquarius 23, going to be bolt on and off to experiment to get it just right. Didn’t expect to see you on YT so soon, glad you are. Something that naysayers are missing is that you’re trying to accomplish something that was never designed into the boat. You know you want solar and electric propulsion and you need them to be fixed and the least amount of shading. Its probably not going to be club racing either.
Absolutely! I wish we had more sternrail on Wisdom so we are giving it to Windpuff.
All that extra realestate will give us a ton of power to motor along when the wind dies. Everything is a trade off and this is my way of trying to keep the classic lines of an old sailboat with long overhangs instead of mounting a radar arch which looks like a spoiler on a race car.
Very very interesting project.. going to be fun to watch it come together.
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Never a dull moment with Herbie interesting to watch hope end result works for you mate
Just giving Windpuff all the features we wish wisdom had!
Love this. Becayse my marina charges multiple arms and legs for every inch of boat, I'm planning on building a big rack that can be unbolted for rue winter months that will be home to my outboard, propane, ladder, etc. this is a good inspiration!
Nice! This idea started off as a stern platform but I was worried about the stress on the attachment points ripping out in a storm. This became the compromise to the design: strong enough to do the job that’s needed and robust enough to spread the loads out.
Exciting!
Indeed! I can’t wait for the weather to warm up so we can see how it fits!
crazy project. good luck!
Thanks!
Interesting project. To issues to consider, one is just my opinion. 1) What will this do to the stern buoyancy in following seas and the ability to control the boat when a wave picks up the stern and throws it to port or starboard? I know you’re planning on adding a bowsprit as well, so that will presumably balance out the weight although potentially increase its instability for hobby-horsing. That extended stern will add a lot of buoyancy and wetted surface. 2) It doesn’t look like you’re following the original lines of the hull, so what about the final aesthetics. For me it would be a shame to ruin the classic lines of the boat purely for a functional benefit without trying to integrate if at all possible. Again, 2 is in my humble opinion only.
I don't think it's a good idea. But if I was to consider doing something like that I would have probably made it a little shorter at least?
Hi we used the batterns /strips to simulate the smooth extension of the hull to make it as fair and pleasing from the side as possible, the plan view maybe not so much but we needed to keep a usable width at transom.
As to buoyancy , let’s wait and see with all the extra weight any buoyancy will be useful!
There’s no shame in experimenting with anything that man has made.
@@kevinhildum9186Go to the extreme first then redesign and do it over.
This is not the length it will be. It is going to end up significantly shorter.
Going to be interesting project Herb . Your existing stern ,luckily gives some room to make the extension so you can gain the length,mine on the other hand wouldnt gain much ,so i passed on doing so .
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Do you have a double ender? Those don’t offer much in terms of extension.
She has a quick profile off the stern regarding the water line ,I'd only gain 2 feet.
Nice team work!
Thank you! It was a full days work
Very exciting project, you’re actually making the boat bigger with a purpose
Not sure how it works with the sailing of the vessel after the extension but I am sure you will elaborate
Good luck and looking forward to your project
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We will get to that :)
Go for it guys hard to have fun when your life’s over! I mean this is what it’s all about ✌️
Trying new things and seeing what we like!
Nice to see Warren as well after meeting him on line!
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When I need to get impressed by sailboat mods I know where to go...! Wow... looking forward to the next vid...! Fair Winds and Good Luck...
Thank you!
You are mad...mad I tell ya'! Will be fun to watch this insanity play out though...
Thank you
The farce is string with this one
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With your new transom the boat reminds me a lot of a skerry cruiser who has gained some weight midships. Very tender, elegant boats which are popular here in Germany and the whole Baltic Sea.
Beautiful boats!
I was modeling it after the Fife sailboats. Long overhang and bowsprit.
Long overhangs are by no means a new concept on sailboats
Interesting project. Surprising!! My thoughts if you are interested are leverage by a longer boat and flex and twist on hull, particularly on bulwarks.
I calculated the minimum hull thickness for a 30 foot boat and for a 35 foot boat and thankfully the Alberg hull is significantly thicker than the minimum for a 35 foot boat.
I will still be adding stringers to help stiffen the hull further and the bulwarks should help with stiffening the hull as well as supporting the boomkin. I will be adding knees to the bulwarks in key places to further strengthen it and prevent flexing.
I knew you would have thought it out.....look forward to next update!
Very interesting! I am a newbie so if you could take some more time to explain the process and the reasons it would be wonderful. I also would like tp know how it will affect the boat. Cheers
We will discuss that in later videos 😉
Have you taken a look at what sort of stress that long extension would take in heavy seas and whether it would try to snap off the boat? Its a long lever and its bouyancy would be trying to lift a good part of the weight of the boat as a wave begins to pass under the stern. A pair of fiberglass over wood stringers fore and aft might solve that, removing and replacing a foam board each. If you put the stringers in you might also want to reinforce the other side of the transom (inside the hull). Another worst case might be the stern slapping down on the water as the bow pitches up. Just suggesting it is something you might want to look into.
From past vid they seem to have considered many things, researched.
Considerations for keying in will be interesting. Assume weight/force of windvane & stern anchor will be supported by existing.
Solar framing, if designed correctly, can also help support.
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I have thought about this a lot!
The boomkin will be glasses and tabbed onto the hull, as well as the bulwarks which will be about 6 inches high tying it all together and spreading the force all the way forward. Inside I’m going to cut key holes in the transom where stringers will slide through. The stringers will be tabbed onto the inside of the boomkin and inside the lazarette to not only lock them together but also stiffen the whole stern of the boat.
To help with supporting weight on the deck we will be adding additional supportive stays that will be tied into the rigging. They won’t do much to support the mast but they will help hold up the weight if someone starts jumping on the end of the stern (we have a baby who one day will be a kid. Kids do dumb things).
Best way to start is to - Start!
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There's so many techniques and materials. Sometimes it's better to use polyester resin instead of epoxy and sometimes people place chopped mat of bid cloth abd so on. Looks fun and functional 👍
👍Polyesters is being used for this project , epoxy is an unnecessary expense.
Yes indeed
I'm a little concerned about windage ( weather helm) , rouge waves dropping on top of that and boat balance. I can understand the need for the space but half that distance would be ok.
It gets cut down to about 5 feet long
Really excited about this rebuild project 🙂Maybe this was mentioned in an earlier video, but I cant seem to find it - does anyone know if this will replace Wisdom and if they will continue full-time cruising with it ones its done? Or whats the plan for this boat once its completed? 🙂
The plan is to cruise on this boat to places where Wisdom didn’t fit but since we have a growing family, most trips will be on Wisdom.
Is it that the monitor wind vane will still be install in an opening where the tramsom currently ends and the new anchor further aft. ? 😎
That is correct. The monitor goes on the original transom and the stern anchor goes in the new transom.
Why not make an extended transom from stainless tubing? It would be plenty strong, would protect the windvane and give a great spot for a stern anchor. Stainless is pricey but there's LOTs in the bone yards.
The plan started with that idea but the point loads at the mounting brackets would be enough to punch a hole in the hull. Then we thought of putting more supports to spread the load out, which eventually became a large fiberglass platform, which then became a boomkin.
@@RiggingDoctor Didn't realize the loads would be that high in your application. I thought it was more of a bash guard for the windvane and an extended anchor roller. For that, the transom could be reinforced with 3/4 ply and a half dozen layers of glass. As is usually the case, there is something else I'm not considering :) Are you moving the backstay?
A fiberglass extension can provide you extra locker space as well tho.
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Hey Herb, do you think there could be an increased risk of broaching, in other words, do you think the extension could act as a lever arm if the stern quarter is hit by a wave? Would you expect the wind vain will adequately compensate for this possibility?
Keep up the good work!
Wisdom has a 10 foot stern overhang and when quartering seas hit, they just roll under and we keep sailing straight. We do have the sails balanced and it feels like we are sailing on rails out there, but it hasn’t been an issue since everything is curved and there is no broad face for the wave to push against.
Hi there Herb. Long time.
I know you love long overhangs, and you know how I feel about them useless things.
But here, I think you're really going over the limit.
The trim of the boat will be greatly affected negatively, and with following swells the boat will end up burrying its bow extensively.
Not to mention that the original aesthetic lines of the boat will be modified to the point where proportions will change so much that it might not be a pleasant thing to look at anymore. Especially the sheer line if you raise it by 6 inches.
So you won't be volunteering to sea trial it? 😉
I’ll send you a picture of the plan at the moment 😉
I was thinking of sending you a picture to get your opinion on a few things but I know you would hate everything about it so I didn’t want to put you through that 🫠
@@Lana_Warwick I would if the sea trial is performed inside the limits of the Chesapeake bay only.
Are you concerned that adding all this extra weight way out beyond the waterline will make her hobby horse really badly? This boat already has a short water line.
All these boats do that, so we just take it as part of the game. The goal is to not get becalmed and start hobby horsing. When there is wind, it is never a problem.
You can increase bowsprit... But dialogue with a marine architect for length and dimensions. Good luck, I think her new booty looks fabulous.
lol ……. That’s why you consult a navel architect… it going to make the stern squat and the bow come up… etc trim sail shape etc. But the Rigging Doctor knows best , after looking at this judgement call I wouldn’t let him anywhere near a rig I owned.
There might also be problems due to a potential very sudden increase in sea state caused buoyancy force & resulting stress due to the shape, position & leverage of the stern extension.
Weight estimate of the extension? You might end up with a fair bit of stern trim adding weight there. Keep in mind the waterplane are of an Alberg 30 is quite small, short waterline. Also, there will be sinkage with added weight. It is more sensitive to changing and adding stuff compared to your big boat.
Very true. The weight of the boomkin will be countered by the weight of the bowsprit. We also plan on carrying around 200 gallons of water so right there we will be +/-1600 pounds! The waterline will be drastically different between full and empty tanks.
@@RiggingDoctor Rough estimate of 570 pounds per inch immersion. If you add a couple thousand pounds, you'll be about 3.5 inches further down in the water. That's a fair bit for a boat that already has a low freeboard. Will make for a wet ride, probably less righting moment too. Just some items to be aware of. We have a water tank in our bow area that we never use because it trims the bow down a couple inches and the bow wants to dig down into the waves when we are going downwind. When it's blowing, the bow will submerge with our fwd tank full so we never use it. Just raising a bit of caution, there's less room for error in a smaller boat.
Glad you guys are back online, hope the youngin is doing well.
Don't forget the duck tape.....it's now an Albert 37.
I should change the name with duct tape right now so that it looks professional
Wouldn’t it be easier to build the mold then fill it with the insulation foam that hardens? It cures and you have the shape?
Yes, but Warren who knows much more about this than I do highly recommended that we do it via indirect method. While it has been a ton more work, it was a great way to practice working with large quantities of polyester resin and large pieces of cloth. Up to this, I had only done small repairs and rebuilt the head which was a big fiberglass project, but overall it was a small space so still a small job in the grand scheme of things.
Building the pattern got me much better at working with the materials, then I was proficient by the time I was doing the mold.
Now that I’m casting the piece, I think it’s coming out very nicely!
The other advantage to working indirectly is I live about 1:30h from the Alberg, so I’m building this in a nearby garage where I can get there in minutes! It makes the project proceed much more easily with having a new baby at the same time!
I wanted to do it the direction method but Warren told me that the end result is better and more predictable by doing it the indirect method. Being how he knows more on the topic, I did as he said :)
That much overhang will cause problems in a Seaway.
Small changes like a good bow sprit , bulwarks, and more good storage below is ok. But that transom overhang is too drastic of a change! If you have to change so much then it's better to go to a different boat or design one.
It’s not going to end up being nearly that long. The entire point of the project is to transform this boat into what I want it to be. I’ve done my calculations and the end result will perform very well in a seaway, but if you don’t believe me, you’ll just have to follow along and watch me either succeed or fail. Either way, it will be an adventure.
Very ambitious build, I applaud you for taking on the challenge to build the boat you want.
Thank you very much!
Curious as to why you are extending this boat, rather than reworking your existing/prior boat?
Check out previous video on this project!
We want to always have a boat that we can go cruising on. If I do the work that Wisdom needs, she will be out of commission for a few years. The plan is to finish Windpuff and then start working on Wisdom.
In the end, we will have two capable bluewater boats that we can take anywhere depending on family size and draft requirements.
Look like you guys worked hard and had fun
Yes!
It was a great time! I’m so glad we got something basic and rough done in one day!
Wow that guy has a weird accent though!
Cheers Warren
How is an Irish accent weird?
@@davidrhightowersadly that’s my English accent! Just sounds weird to me on video🤷♂️
@@Cheers_Warren I didn't see any bbq lunch & a couple of knock-off coldies Warren. Maybe something else you need to educate Herb on.
Puff the magic dragon lived by the sea, you see…
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Really interesting methodolgy bein used here. Your extension looks too long to me; don't you need more vertical transom? I think so. I'd shorten the overhang back to the first transverse batten (from aft).
It does get cut much shorter, but this was just to get the way the lines flowed aft. As for the vertical transom, there is going to be an additional 6 inch bulwark on the top of the transom so from the back it will look like it’s over a foot tall.
Don't the Monitor windvanes have a sacrificial part that breaks easily and allows them to flip up if they hit something? I thought that was the case, but I haven't owned one.
That only works if the thing hits the paddle in the water, not if you back into a pier and bump the monitor above the safety tube. 🤦♂️
@@RiggingDoctor Ah yes, very true 😅
How much more for marina's berth or mooring?
A few dollars
Hey, Herby - have you been in touch with the "Duracell" project. Those guys are extending all sorts of things - thy will surely give you pointers if you need them.
I have not but I will look them up right now!
Theirs is an interesting project I’ve been following on and off too. They are dealing with a completely different structure and could build in a very different way.
I really like the vacuum bagging. Many times I have thought about how convenient it would be when I squishing out air bubbles to simply have the atmosphere push down evenly on the surface, and then I think about all the extra gear required to make it happen… so I keep rolling with my little fin roller.
@@RiggingDoctorI’ve got all the vacuum equipment but the shape would make it very hard to get a good part first time.
I would use another expression instead of « candles near a fire place »! How about « candles near a ballerina » since your Monitor wind vane is certainly as precious and graceful as a one… 🙃
Well said! I was thinking that the heat from the fireplace would melt all the candles but a ballerina is much more of a visual impact!
Add a mizzen. Yawl baby!
The only reason we can’t is the monitor windvane is too tall to have a mizzen boom over it
…just thinking of all those extra Marina fees with the bigger boat
5 extra feet comes out to about $10 extra per night.
@@RiggingDoctor …that’s a bottle of wine!
I would think that you are going to have to add weight to the front of the boat to keep it from hobby horsing based on what I am seeing and hearing you say you are adding to the rear of the boat.
Weight at the ends makes these boats hobby horse, but they already do that anyways. Once you’re in Hell, bathe in the fire!
Weight will be added in the bow with the sprit and ground tackle to balance the boomkin and keep the boat trimmed level.
As per last video, water tanks in V-berth
Um... that is going to look really weird. Aerial shot at 13 min 27s confirms my view, that is a ridiculous extension that is going to devalue your boat. It is very out of proportion to the rest of the boat. Something that long beyond your rudder is going to affect how the boat handles when heeled. And adding weight to the end of the boat like that is going to change the trim? Unless this is just going to be sticking up in the air.. What happens when you get hit from the rear quarter in following seas? Good lever to knock the boat into a roundup. You may need to move your rudder aft? Wouldn't a small swim platform be more useful? Or maybe just buy a bigger boat?
It gets cut down to size later in the build.
I hate to be negative but you are making a mess of a nicely proportioned hull. A classic example of more is less on all aspects, this is especially true of aesthetics, as the overhangs fore and aft are well balanced on the hull as it was.There are many ways to improve the looks and performance of older boats this is not one.
I would take a look at our plans for the boat: instagram.com/p/Czhy5IHLzTi/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
I find it hard to say that it’s ruining a classic when it is taking the best features of classic boats and incorporating them into the build.
Looks like u increasing your marina fees !!
About $44 per month
Guess Warren was a little camera shy, didn't introduce him. Not how I would have gone about it, bit flimsy for my liking if transporting template around. Believe I know the next step, be interesting to see if I'm correct.
You are correct on all accounts. It was flimsy but it just needs to be a volume in space so that we can make the mold.
nah, im sorry, you dont do stuff like this to a classic boat. that monitor windvane is the most ugly thing you can get. instead you are worried if it hit something. so you go and top it up by extending the hull?! and extending to gain more space for solar? well we all want the most power one can harness, but i would suggest first looking at it from the the other end: where can i cut on power requirement. im guessing (maybe wrongly) you are going with an inboard diesel: get an appropriately sized high out put alternator. use your cabin top for solar, think about a bimini for more solar, before you completely wreck the looks of the boat.
Going electric for the onboard so the more solar we have, the faster we can recharge.
I would say that I’m making this Alberg look MORE classic with the changes I’m doing, but I will show the plans in the into off the next episode.
@@RiggingDoctor making it more classic, thats a bold affirmation!
Im curious now to see the end result.
Stay tuned!
We will answer this question in a live video tomorrow at noon. See you then!
The first thing I think about, when seeing this, is a lot of top hamper. Granted, it's not very high. But grp is not very light either.
There may also be a problem with weight-moments aft, which may cause yhe boat to pitch more.
It will be cut shorter in the end, but the weight will also be counteracted by the weight forward of the bowsprit and ground tackle
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I think I just witnessed a Crime..So sad destroying Classic lines.. In half a day a good Fabricator-Welder could’ve come up with a nice Aluminum frame to mount Solar Panels off the Stern-Transom…
Carl alberg is rolling in his grave.
Yup probably
Or maybe he would be thrilled to see people experimenting with the design of the boat.
@@CJSHM Well said!
But seriously, please be repectful of the original designer. 🙏
Carl Alberg liked classic boats, I think he would appreciate the end result
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Carpenters aren't real bright, nearly turned it off. I wonder what his qualifications are and knowledge of building is to make that statement
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A lifetime career of working with many different types of people. Working in the marine industry on the fiberglass side, he then had to deal with all the other trades.
It was a joke, like how plumbers refuse to wear properly fitting clothes to prevent their butt crack from popping out.
A new and special way to ruin a nice boat…. Shame on you
No one is making you watch. Move along
@@RiggingDoctor
Everyone loves a train wreck.
There’s hundred of boats like these out there from various manufacturers, many languishing in the back of boatyards unused , let’s have some fun!
@@Cheers_Warren
Sure as long as you advise people interested in sailing that this “ is “ abnormal practice and may or may not affect the safety of the design or the sailing characteristics. Im Shire you don’t wand to lead new sailors down a bad road. Right
@@davidcummings6299 people have been modifying boats for hundred of years , whether it’s changing the rig , adding ballast, lengthening hull , shortening hulls , modifying internal structure . Some times it’s good sometimes it’s dumb. But it’s the way we learn. As long as it’s not hurting anybody then why not! This is no small job being done here , if somebody wants to duplicate this project they are going to have some serious commitment going on . If they are prepared to do this amount of work then more power to them!
Cheers Warren
🤔🤔🤔 Looks hideous, sorry, buy a bigger boat if you have to ,
Aww thanks I’ll throw it away and buy a bigger boat just because you wrote that ❤️
Sounds like a great plan! I'm sure that will help them out with an experimental project!
Mark might be willing to pony up, or even become a long term top tier Patreon
Don't waste your time. Buy a bigger boat
I already have a 45 foot sailboat. This is my other project boat 😎
We will answer this question in a live video tomorrow at noon. See you then!
Hey Herbie, as I watched this video I was wondering if you planned on raising the toe rail by 6 inches all the way around the boat. If so, I don't think you accounted for that in your transom extension. Or did you?
It is accounted for 😉
The height of the transom and the angle of it will be carried into the bulwarks so the face will be greater than 6 inches, but the overall height will be achieved.