I'm new to your channel and catching up on the videos. I'm on south side of Indy. I had a hive very similar to this hive. Very difficult to work. Smoke just irritated them more. I re-queened this past fall and anxious to see this spring how her offspring turn out. The hive excepted her so that's a good start. Thanks for sharing.
Oh, my gosh! I'm so glad you did this video! That is exactly what I was trying to describe in my question to you the other night, and this being my first year beekeeping, that pissy attitude is all I have experienced! That is why I was wondering if I should just give up on this adventure because I haven't even been able to get in the hive to check on them, or do treatments, etc. I'm so sorry you have a hive like that, but I'm grateful to see how you handled it. Thanks for the video, and thanks for sharing your world, the good, the bad, and the UGLY!! Please let me know if the requeening helped. If mine survive the winter, I may have to get a couple of new queens.
@@Tonnsfabrication No, I have no idea where they came from. I emailed the person I bought them from (here in Michigan), but haven't heard back. Thank you for the help, though!
NP Once you get some time in things will even out and you will learn what the colonies expect. It's hard to start out with hot bees because you're trying to attain the finesse skills that allow you to do what joe does in most of his vids. Once you get nice bees it will be like a trip to the therapist every inspection.
Thanks for sharing. Please update us on this hive once the queen is settled down. I bought a mean hive recently...well actually more like satan's hive. They killed their queen during the transport. Were queenless for two weeks when I tried to give them a new queen. Killed her too. I ended up spliting the hive in two weaker boxes, gave a mated queen to the the split and once she was accepted I combined them back up with a newspaper. They are still mean, but at least they have a nice queen now. I hope your bees settle down now.
Yes, I am aware. Will be a while, they are all winter bees. I was hoping they were just cranky from bad weather and not having a queen. But they are still the spawns of satan...I can't wait for them to die off and get new bees in the spring. I just took an empty box I had sitting on top of that hive while I was combining them (to give them a bit of breathing space since they couldn't get out until they chew through the newspaper). Within seconds my suit was covered and crawling with bees. They cover my suit and systematically search for a way to get in. My suit pant legs drag on the ground and cover the top of my shoes. I normally wear rubber boots and stuff the pant legs in very tightly. Figured it will only take seconds to remove the empty box. Within seconds I had a bunch of bees crawling up my legs all the way above my waist and stinging me. They also find a way to squeeze in to my gloves and sting. Spawns of satan! I am all puffy!
I think that extended tail twitching was her scared to death of these mean bees. They look like she is accepted but I would bet they requeen within two weeks is my guess. Some hives just do not want to follow what I do. Last fall I fed one hive with fondant and they just absconded and never ate a bit. This spring my hives are doing well the ones who stayed after I fed them. So I have to go out and check this evening as the temperature drops after I set up liquid feeding.
Joe May, do you have or sell any Buckfast queens I’ve always wondered why they twitch there butts like that. When ever I have marked my queens they do that if you know why I would like to Know. But very interested in getting some Buckfast queens and maybe some Caucasians if possible.
By the way, I don't thing they will accept that queen, I see too many bees with open wings on a hive that has a queen on a cage for couple of days, but keep us posted, good luck and thanks again!!!
Thank you for this comment I went back and watched the video again I see what you are talking about. You were right they killed her. I have sense requeened that hive. Thanks for teaching me something I will be watching for that in the future.
Hey Joe, can you do a video on your hive covers? I checked all your videos an have not found one. Thanks for all your knowledge, first year beekeeping. Can't get enought of it...
Those are just slightly irritated bees. I had 2 hives go africanized on me. They killed 2 of my ducks and tried to kill me. I had so many bees on my suit that I could hardly see. I had to whack them.
I'm about to ask a question because I don't know the answer to because I'm new in this. Do you have all your bees in 5 frame NUC boxes. Or is this is the process you have for making queens.
Hi Joe May, how you doing? I successfully raised some Queens in early March after talking to you. One of them Is now In a 3 deep 5 frame . She is raising pissy daughter. She is laying incredibly well but just pissy Offspring. What would you do?
Yeah, they’re pissy alright. I know its hard to keep the camera on the queen when shes on the comb, i just wished i could see her all the time in order to see how the other bees react to her. But...good job as usual.
My top breeder queen did that to me mid summer, bees became pissy when I cracked the lid and jumped right into sting mode. I dealt with it by splitting that hive in half and moving the queen to a new location 5 feet over. After a few weeks, her new hive went back to calm and the other half re queened and was fine also. Certain things can trigger bees into defensive behavior and sometimes it's hard to understand what it is. When a queen mates with multiple drones the sperm is all mixed together and a little bit of each male goes to each worker. Knowing this we can understand that if it's genetically related, the bees should act that way from day one.
Each worker has only ONE father. Sister workers very likely have different fathers. Two sperms don't mix to produce a single worker, The worker has one father or the other...not both. Hives get pissy temporarily for many reasons, genetics is a common cause but many times it is environment issues.
@@aarongriffin81 You're correct but the sperm is not kept separate in the queen's spermatheca from each mated male, it's all mixed together and randomly distributed. Therefore the odds of the hive just switching to aggressive behavior due to genetics is probably less likely if they where not aggressive beforehand. The odds just do not favor that scenario so it only stands to reason the queen is probably not the issue. This is a good read, www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1847503/
completely agree, aggressiveness caused by genetics is very unlikely after gentle queen behavior is already established. I misunderstood what you meant by 'a little bit of each male goes to each worker'. It is thoroughly mixed so the random mixture is steady throughout the queens productive lifespan so her offspring should be the same from month one to year 3, etc.
I know this is off topic but I’m whiching from MAQS to OA for mites does the honey supers need to come off if I planed on bottling any of the honey any thoughts would be great thanks greats vids joe 👍
Hi wondering you don’t put anything in your frames just the wire not sure what to do can you help me & explain what is better with or without wax sheets
Hi Joe, is weird to see you wearing a bee suit, but I see the reason, you mentioned that you had once a hive with 2 queens, I have the same situation right now , 2 queens on a single 5 frame nuc, I thought about split the hive but I going to leave like this through out the winter and see what happens , any thoughts , anybody???? Thanks Joe for the video!!
They don't look so mean. I live in Texas and had a Africanized colony take over one of my hives. Every time I cracked it open it was like being in a hailstorm of bees--hard to concentrate on task at hand. Had to destroy them.
How long do you think it will take for the mean ones to die off and get replaced by the new nice ones? Does the fact that winter is coming change the normal answer (i.e. will it take longer because some of them might become winter bees)?
Joe, thanks so much for the videos. Very fun. Although wow yeah this video they do look mean. I'm curious if you had an estimate at how often a requeening does NOT fix aggression? (Number or percent guess?)
that hive looked like no fun; hopefully you can change the genetics; if not I would relocate to the edge of my yard so that they don't rile up my gentle ones; good luck Joe
Ok, when he said smoke seems to make these girls madder, yep, one of my hives same day before they swarmed. Just barely opened end of hive to smoke and they came barreling out.
Wow. Are the bees stinging your hands? What gloves are you wearing? Are the latex? Will bees sting through those. Please let me know. I'd like to buy them if they work for you.
Those look gentle to me. I've got a hive that before you could set that feeder down, you'd have your legs and jacket covered with stinging bees. All that pheromone brings more. I've decided to see if they make it though the winter. If not I've got brood comb. If so I see many nucs coming from this double deep 10 frame. Good luck Joe
Hey Joe, I have had hives, with the original marked queen, suddenly go hostile after a year or so of being docile. My conclusion was that possible sperm is not mixed but packed in the spermatheca. When she gets to the sperm from the hostile drone, the temperament of the off springs take on the personality of their father. It has also been my experience that the hostility usually goes away pretty quick when I re-queen with a docile queen. Therefore, I suspect that possibly the new queen's pheromones may play an important part the change in personality. Would sure like your comments.
Nice looking dark queen. Iv'e got hives that can be real defensive. Sometimes they surprise you and are calm as can be. Those nitrile gloves are too hot in my climate, feels like my hands are being microwaved.
When I was a little boy the man that had bees in town every once in awhilehe would tell me to get a bucket with some soap and water it was time to wash some bee's took me about 6 months to catch on what he was doing
You know those hot bees a swarm with the queen will move into your hive and kill your queen and take over because I wonder sometimes when I go over to that boy's house if they ain't what happened to him I've never helped him with his bees and him not get stung a bunch of times
That is not at all a mean hive... Im from Florida and iv seen African bees..if you think that hive is mean...thats a joke...sorry buddy but thats no where near a mean hive...
Hey there I thought you had the fat bee man stock. You know the ones that don't sting you .the ones that don't get mean. You know the stingless bees . The fat boy man get mad at you put the veil on. I'm just saying
NWNJBA has a video on euthanizing a dangerous hive. His was somewhat worse than yours, but yours is awfully nasty. His point was, with a dangerous hive ( he is in New Jersey I think), it should be destroyed because the genetics are also in the drones and all of the genetics should be destroyed. It is worth watching for comparison.
I'm new to your channel and catching up on the videos. I'm on south side of Indy. I had a hive very similar to this hive. Very difficult to work. Smoke just irritated them more. I re-queened this past fall and anxious to see this spring how her offspring turn out. The hive excepted her so that's a good start. Thanks for sharing.
Joe I love you bring the real world to everyone. Thankyou for that.
Oh, my gosh! I'm so glad you did this video! That is exactly what I was trying to describe in my question to you the other night, and this being my first year beekeeping, that pissy attitude is all I have experienced! That is why I was wondering if I should just give up on this adventure because I haven't even been able to get in the hive to check on them, or do treatments, etc.
I'm so sorry you have a hive like that, but I'm grateful to see how you handled it. Thanks for the video, and thanks for sharing your world, the good, the bad, and the UGLY!! Please let me know if the requeening helped. If mine survive the winter, I may have to get a couple of new queens.
@@Tonnsfabrication No, I have no idea where they came from. I emailed the person I bought them from (here in Michigan), but haven't heard back.
Thank you for the help, though!
NP Once you get some time in things will even out and you will learn what the colonies expect. It's hard to start out with hot bees because you're trying to attain the finesse skills that allow you to do what joe does in most of his vids. Once you get nice bees it will be like a trip to the therapist every inspection.
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That chart is great! Thanks for sharing. :)
Welcome to my world! Ellinger, Texas. I want to change my bee Keeping so I can stop wearing an suit. I am committed to raising gentle bees.
Thanks for sharing. Please update us on this hive once the queen is settled down.
I bought a mean hive recently...well actually more like satan's hive. They killed their queen during the transport. Were queenless for two weeks when I tried to give them a new queen. Killed her too.
I ended up spliting the hive in two weaker boxes, gave a mated queen to the the split and once she was accepted I combined them back up with a newspaper. They are still mean, but at least they have a nice queen now.
I hope your bees settle down now.
The bees will be mean till the worker bees from old queen have died off and only the genetics from new queen are left..... It's a slow process
Yes, I am aware. Will be a while, they are all winter bees. I was hoping they were just cranky from bad weather and not having a queen. But they are still the spawns of satan...I can't wait for them to die off and get new bees in the spring.
I just took an empty box I had sitting on top of that hive while I was combining them (to give them a bit of breathing space since they couldn't get out until they chew through the newspaper).
Within seconds my suit was covered and crawling with bees. They cover my suit and systematically search for a way to get in. My suit pant legs drag on the ground and cover the top of my shoes. I normally wear rubber boots and stuff the pant legs in very tightly. Figured it will only take seconds to remove the empty box. Within seconds I had a bunch of bees crawling up my legs all the way above my waist and stinging me. They also find a way to squeeze in to my gloves and sting. Spawns of satan! I am all puffy!
LOL Joe I got a yard of these mean SOBs I hate dealing with it..I think I got some african that slipped in there. That is a pretty Queen . HUGE!
New to your site. What is the top box/cover you have on your hives? Also what with all the strapping in your yard?
Hive top feeders . Strapping is for storms.
I think that extended tail twitching was her scared to death of these mean bees. They look like she is accepted but I would bet they requeen within two weeks is my guess. Some hives just do not want to follow what I do. Last fall I fed one hive with fondant and they just absconded and never ate a bit. This spring my hives are doing well the ones who stayed after I fed them. So I have to go out and check this evening as the temperature drops after I set up liquid feeding.
Joe May, do you have or sell any Buckfast queens I’ve always wondered why they twitch there butts like that. When ever I have marked my queens they do that if you know why I would like to
Know. But very interested in getting some Buckfast queens and maybe some Caucasians if possible.
I will have buckfast and Caucasian in the spring. I don't know why they twitch their butts.
@@LittleBitsHoneyBeesjoemay Do I need to get on list or you need deposit? Thank You Sir
@@scottpierson7495 No call me around end of May
By the way, I don't thing they will accept that queen, I see too many bees with open wings on a hive that has a queen on a cage for couple of days, but keep us posted, good luck and thanks again!!!
Thank you for this comment I went back and watched the video again I see what you are talking about. You were right they killed her. I have sense requeened that hive. Thanks for teaching me something I will be watching for that in the future.
Thank you Joe, I have learned a lot with you, too bad you lost that queen but that is not a big deal for you. Thanks Joe.
Hey Joe, can you do a video on your hive covers? I checked all your videos an have not found one. Thanks for all your knowledge, first year beekeeping. Can't get enought of it...
are you talking about the lids.
Those are just slightly irritated bees. I had 2 hives go africanized on me. They killed 2 of my ducks and tried to kill me. I had so many bees on my suit that I could hardly see. I had to whack them.
wow, i rarely hear of this, unless they are africanized. Who knows whats happening these days. Hope you were all suited up.
I had a hive cover my arms on my suit today and got stung three times just putting in a beetle trap. 😳
Can the bees sting thru those blue silicon gloves? I see a lot of beekeepers wearing them. Do you they from getting stung?
I'm about to ask a question because I don't know the answer to because I'm new in this. Do you have all your bees in 5 frame NUC boxes. Or is this is the process you have for making queens.
Hi Joe May, how you doing? I successfully raised some
Queens in early March after talking to you. One of them Is now
In a 3 deep 5 frame . She is raising pissy daughter. She is laying incredibly well but just pissy
Offspring. What would you do?
Will her wings regenerate? Or, is she grounded for life?
They won't grow back
Thank you. How sad they were torn off. Not quite sure I understand the necessity ...
Yeah, they’re pissy alright. I know its hard to keep the camera on the queen when shes on the comb, i just wished i could see her all the time in order to see how the other bees react to her.
But...good job as usual.
That's the most smoke I've ever seen you use.
My top breeder queen did that to me mid summer, bees became pissy when I cracked the lid and jumped right into sting mode. I dealt with it by splitting that hive in half and moving the queen to a new location 5 feet over. After a few weeks, her new hive went back to calm and the other half re queened and was fine also. Certain things can trigger bees into defensive behavior and sometimes it's hard to understand what it is. When a queen mates with multiple drones the sperm is all mixed together and a little bit of each male goes to each worker. Knowing this we can understand that if it's genetically related, the bees should act that way from day one.
what town you near S.E.O. B&B
I'm near Zaleski
Each worker has only ONE father. Sister workers very likely have different fathers. Two sperms don't mix to produce a single worker, The worker has one father or the other...not both. Hives get pissy temporarily for many reasons, genetics is a common cause but many times it is environment issues.
@@aarongriffin81 You're correct but the sperm is not kept separate in the queen's spermatheca from each mated male, it's all mixed
together and randomly distributed. Therefore the odds of the hive just switching to aggressive behavior due to genetics is probably
less likely if they where not aggressive beforehand. The odds just do not favor that scenario so it only stands to reason the queen is
probably not the issue. This is a good read, www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1847503/
completely agree, aggressiveness caused by genetics is very unlikely after gentle queen behavior is already established. I misunderstood what you meant by 'a little bit of each male goes to each worker'. It is thoroughly mixed so the random mixture is steady throughout the queens productive lifespan so her offspring should be the same from month one to year 3, etc.
I really like your queen cage. Can you share where to get them? Thanks for all that you share!
I know this is off topic but I’m whiching from MAQS to OA for mites does the honey supers need to come off if I planed on bottling any of the honey any thoughts would be great thanks greats vids joe 👍
maqs can be used with honey supers on.
What about OA treatments
The label in US says the honey has to be off but in other parts of the world they don't take it off.
Thanks for getting back to me
thanks joe . was wondering how thick the Mil. of the gloves are ?
Real thin the box dose not tell what mil they are I would say about 2-3 mil.
Hi wondering you don’t put anything in your frames just the wire not sure what to do can you help me & explain what is better with or without wax sheets
There is a 3/4 inch starter strip at the top. Watch my video wax vs plastic foundation.
If her wings are clipped how will she go for her mating flight? Was she mated? She looked skinny for a mated queen. 🤷♀️
she was artificial inseminated breeder queen
was wondering what kind of gloves you were wearing and where did you get them from ? and also that snake skin next to your foot .
Just nitrile gloves from Sam's Club. It's not a snake skin it is a nylon strap.
Hi Joe, is weird to see you wearing a bee suit, but I see the reason, you mentioned that you had once a hive with 2 queens, I have the same situation right now , 2 queens on a single 5 frame nuc, I thought about split the hive but I going to leave like this through out the winter and see what happens , any thoughts , anybody???? Thanks Joe for the video!!
most of the time they won't keep both queens thru winter.
They don't look so mean. I live in Texas and had a Africanized colony take over one of my hives. Every time I cracked it open it was like being in a hailstorm of bees--hard to concentrate on task at hand. Had to destroy them.
How long do you think it will take for the mean ones to die off and get replaced by the new nice ones? Does the fact that winter is coming change the normal answer (i.e. will it take longer because some of them might become winter bees)?
I didn't see much capped brood. That hive isn't so mean they weren't bumping your vail.
Joe, thanks so much for the videos. Very fun.
Although wow yeah this video they do look mean.
I'm curious if you had an estimate at how often a requeening does NOT fix aggression? (Number or percent guess?)
2 percent
@@LittleBitsHoneyBeesjoemay That's not bad. Thanks. Looking forward to your videos this year.
How long before they become nice?
that hive looked like no fun; hopefully you can change the genetics; if not I would relocate to the edge of my yard so that they don't rile up my gentle ones; good luck Joe
Ok, when he said smoke seems to make these girls madder, yep, one of my hives same day before they swarmed. Just barely opened end of hive to smoke and they came barreling out.
Wow. Are the bees stinging your hands? What gloves are you wearing? Are the latex? Will bees sting through those. Please let me know. I'd like to buy them if they work for you.
Yes the are latex gloves bees can sting though them but rarely do.
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS
I seen where they had two sets Africanized bees up by the great lakes
What gloves are you wearing
just nitrile gloves
Those look gentle to me. I've got a hive that before you could set that feeder down, you'd have your legs and jacket covered with stinging bees. All that pheromone brings more.
I've decided to see if they make it though the winter. If not I've got brood comb. If so I see many nucs coming from this double deep 10 frame.
Good luck Joe
Did that smell like you were farming Bananas? Hate them kind!
Hey Joe, I have had hives, with the original marked queen, suddenly go hostile after a year or so of being docile. My conclusion was that possible sperm is not mixed but packed in the spermatheca. When she gets to the sperm from the hostile drone, the temperament of the off springs take on the personality of their father. It has also been my experience that the hostility usually goes away pretty quick when I re-queen with a docile queen. Therefore, I suspect that possibly the new queen's pheromones may play an important part the change in personality. Would sure like your comments.
I have seen the same things and I will agree with all you said.
she's a beauty
Nice looking dark queen. Iv'e got hives that can be real defensive. Sometimes they surprise you and are calm as can be. Those nitrile gloves are too hot in my climate, feels like my hands are being microwaved.
They make them in white also which might be better since they reflect the sun better.
When I was a little boy the man that had bees in town every once in awhilehe would tell me to get a bucket with some soap and water it was time to wash some bee's took me about 6 months to catch on what he was doing
You know those hot bees a swarm with the queen will move into your hive and kill your queen and take over because I wonder sometimes when I go over to that boy's house if they ain't what happened to him I've never helped him with his bees and him not get stung a bunch of times
Wish you would narrate what you are show for us. To me it just looks like a bunch of bees
I don't understand I talked the whole video.
Thanks !!
Do you have any of the mountain grade honey bees the Caucasian honey bees
I do have Caucasians
Mean on what point
I have a man I asked to show me how to work these his bees is kind of rough
That is not at all a mean hive...
Im from Florida and iv seen African bees..if you think that hive is mean...thats a joke...sorry buddy but thats no where near a mean hive...
Hey there I thought you had the fat bee man stock. You know the ones that don't sting you .the ones that don't get mean. You know the stingless bees . The fat boy man get mad at you put the veil on.
I'm just saying
Hey, FBM's got a business to run. Farmer "country boy" mentality. He'll feed all the BS you're willing to pay him for. =Part of his charm?
I have very few fat beeman stock. If you have keep bees very long you know you get a mean one now and then.
Ouch ! ! !
Yeah I be for giving them stingers lol
NWNJBA has a video on euthanizing a dangerous hive. His was somewhat worse than yours, but yours is awfully nasty. His point was, with a dangerous hive ( he is in New Jersey I think), it should be destroyed because the genetics are also in the drones and all of the genetics should be destroyed. It is worth watching for comparison.
I seen it thank you I was not mating any queen in this yard.