The most interesting way to play it is if YG IS A BLACKFYRE BUT DANY DOESNT KNOW: Her camp campaign as though he’s a Blackfyre for sure, to sabotage his claim. Inadvertently they’re right of course and Dany gets to be Slayer of Lies again, but it’s another little morally-grey step down for her.
I think people dislike Aegon as he fits the role of secret heir that comes to set his fathers realms to rights and this connects to people not liking the Jon is potentially this prophecy baby but given this is GRRM we are taking about im sure he will subvert the trope in numerous ways
I like the idea of Young Griff getting the throne, establishing himself, then having to deal with his lineage being questioned. I think it’ll happen differently though. Instead of arguing whether he’s a Targeryan or a Blackfyre, people will simply spread rumors he’s not a Targeryan. There are many who already question the legitimacy of his story and his identity. In the end, Illyrio or Varys will verify to him that he’s not a Targeryan.. but a “Targeryan” as in a Blackfyre
>Varys says he is who he is >he explains this >book readers still insist the book is wrong and they are right I kinda hate this fandom sometimes -.- the book will outright state facts and the fandom cries “but but but Jon!” And all I can ever think is “why?” You guys just all want a 1 note can do no wrong Gary Stu who has super hero magic blood and it’s a really really stupid thing to ask for over and over again in a story that could be far more interesting if you’d just read the text and not insist it’s all to do with one cocksucker
@@fuckoffgoogle1657 Damn, you sound like a happy charming dude. Why don’t you sit down and let me ‘splain something to you? Nobody here wants a one-note can do nothing wrong Gary Stu with a boring “and then everyone clapped” ending. We’re talking about ONE possibility for ONE character. We do read the text and also speculate spec·u·late /ˈspek(y)əˌlāt/ verb 1. form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence. If you actually read the text the you would know it’s all POV. All were shown is through dialog, observation, and memory. Henceforth, it’s possible there is a lot we the reader are not seeing or are being deceived about. If you hate this fandom so much, I have some free advice. It costs absolutely nothing for you to go about your business and not engage. Why don’t you come back when you had your coffee, bud?
I don't think people like Young Griff as a character that much but they are greatly interested in his storyline. I don't think I've heard of a single person who's favorite character is Faegon
The statue in the gardens of Illyrio's mance is an overlooked clue. He tells Tyrion that an artist made the statue of Illyrio when he was 6 and 10. But that doesn't make sense. In the same chapter, Illyrio tells Tyrion that he was a poor boy with a Bravosi blade when he met Varys. Why would an important artist make a sculpture of a poor kid, and where would Illyrio put such a thing, as he wasn't rich yet. Tyrion notes that the sword on the statue shines like real steel, which makes me wonder if the statue is actually of Aegon, the sword is the real Blackfyre sword, hidden in plain sight. Illyrio's second wife had the classic Valeryan features, and he mentions that it's the male line of the Blackfyres that is extinguished which implies that maybe the female line is not extinct, otherwise why not just say the line is dead. Aegon could actually be the son of Illyrio and his second wife, it would make sense that he is the boy in the statue. Illyrio also says that he has debts of affection and the only people he ever expresses affection for is his wife and the boy. That would explain several things, Aegon's physical appearance for example, and explains too why the eggs were given to Danerys. She is undoubtedly blood of the line that hatched and rode dragons, and if Aegon is Illyrio and Sara's son, he would be less likely to be able to hatch them, he may not even be a Blackfyre, he just looks the part because of the Valeryan features. They likely thought that the eggs wouldn't hatch at all, but if they did, they could marry her to Aegon.
my prediction how aegon fits into the others plot is, that the dragon has 3 heads and its important to the others and azor ahai prophecy. "There must be one more, the dragon has 3 heads." Rheager and master aemon knew this. The 3 heads are most likely dany, jon, and aegon. Dany with her dragons , jon with lightbringer and Aegon with sword blackfyre
Facts, IDK why everyone sees this so divided, Aegon, Dany, and Jon have all had their rash, fiery moments, but at their cores are good people, molded by good influences, and will unite for the realm as the 3 heads of the dragon needed for the world to survive the long night.
My biggest point of tension is, why does Jon never have any sort of dragon dreams, if he is Rheager’s son? Dany has them, Aegon V had them, Aerys II had them, lots of others, but not ever Jon. Hell even Tyrion has dreams involving dragons at least once and used to be lowkey obsessed with them as many kids are. We only can’t confirm if Aegon/Grif has dragon dreams cause he’s not a POV, but even blackfyres are real targaryans even if he’s not Rhaegar’s son even if I’m totally wrong. Aegon IV legitimized his bastards so technically they are Targs. It’s semantics in large part. Sorta a weird comparison but Ireland. The republic vs northern. They’re both Ireland, even if one is independent and apart of a broad continental union, and the other is technically European separatist (as far as EU is concerned) as apart of the UK. You wouldn’t say Northern Ireland people aren’t Irish just because they come from an off-brand colonial ruled region Jon in the other hand is hardcore of the north and a great candidate for sword of the morning Aka wielder of lightbringer (what brings the light? Morning, Dawn). And he’s a powerful warg who exclusively his magic dreams are wolf dreams
Personally I dont do that series for views I do that series for me bc I enjoy doing so and it helps me brainstorm for other videos and help my understanding on certain stuff, but all I will say is december I am doing an event where u will get more of what u want
When entertaining whether or not Young Griff acts like Prince Rhaegar, people seem to forget not only that within the Targeryan family even, the disposition(s) of either or both parents does not always seem to play a role in how the natural personality turns out, even those actually raised by their parents (I’m thinking like Jahaerys’s kids specifically lol). And obviously Young Griff wasn’t raised by Rhaegar. And Rhaegar, Dany, and Viserys (who I would say vary wildly in nature) were all parented by the same people and had wildly different childhood personalities. But even if you’re going to compare him to Rhaegar, they seem to forget that there’s a clear line that cleaves its way through his own childhood-“It seems I must become a warrior”-so like, who he “became” in perception isn’t even reflective of who he was inside; Barriston himself confirms this to Dany, anyone who seems to know him personally seems to know he was kind of a haunted man, and we know this is because he learned of Aegon’s prophecy. Griff doesn’t know anything about that, so he wouldn’t be similarly shaped by that specific burden.
Who do think gerold daynes parents are? Do you think those details could ever be important to where his storyline goes. Ive heard theories about gerold daynes parents being gerold hightower and ashara dayne or being the bastard son of oberyn. Also do you think any aspects of the storylines involving the North wanting to go to war with the lannisters or the greyjoy rebellions maybe inspired by the movie braveheart or the scottish fight for independence. Robb starks and ned stark kinda give me william wallace vibes and both were betrayed and died in ways that they didn't deserve like william wallace. And the reason the greyjoy rebellion gave me braveheart vibes is just that ironborn culture kinda just feels very similar to not only viking culture but also celtic culture. And the iron born wanting to be independent from the other kingdoms again and baelon wanting to king just reminds me of the Scottish fight for independence.
Sometimes i think the whole point of ASOIAF is that "history repeats itself", Daenerys is going to be Aegon the conqueror all over again, and Young Griff vs Daenerys will be the Dance of Dragons all over again (i think they will fight for the throne, i dont believe they will be allies)
I kinda see Bronn as a King Guard for Aegon 6th. Brienne of Tarth eventually becomes a Kings Guard. I think it will be Jon Snow heritage will undoes Faegon.
I think it wouldn't matter Cersei is not well loved Young griff was trained to do it for the good of the realm He would proceed And golden company are home And young griff is there only way to stay home Dorne will back it either way for ending the lannisters
Why does no one talk about the fact aegon can possibly get a dragon? Especially with what we know about dragons after hotd dany only gets 1 eventually the other two can choose/bond to other riders i.e., young griff/aegon.
we talk a lot about Aryanne being Aegon's future wife, but what if she becomes Princess Regnant of Dorne & is a member of Aegon's Small Council? Aurane Waters would be a foreshadowing of the beautiful concelor. Margaery marrying Aegon would parallel the Duchess of Brittany marrying 3 French kings & Alienor of Aquitaine marrying the French & the English kings, which was one of the causes of the 100-year War. And, yes, Aegon won't be happy with Tyrion, which may be the linchpin for annulling his marriage with Sansa, so Aegon can take her as a "legal" 2nd wife, in order to unite Westeros, with which the Faith would totally not agree.
I personally think faegon dies trying to claim one of the dragons but that depends on whether blackfyres can claim a dragon, faegon especially likely has quite diluted “targaryen” blood. I think tyrion will be the third head of the dragon due to his somewhat targaryen like features, the rumours that joanna lannister and the mad king had sex and all the foreshadowing coming from tyrion being obsessed with riding a dragon when he was a child.
Absolutely nonsense lol Tyrion and and claiming a Dragon ?? Why ? Just because of Fan service ?? You know the theory that Tyrion is the R child of the Mad king is hard dumb right ? And Young griff claiming a Dragon just makes sense because of the dance of the dragon foreshadowing by Grrm !! Red or Black a dragon is still a dragon ! It doesn’t matter if Young griff isn’t a Targaryen because Dragons only listen to people who have Valyria blood ! And young griff is described as extremely Valyrian looking !!
Young Griff what a great lad best future King can't wait for him to get Blackfyre🗡
I Agree may House Blackfyre rise from the ashes and conquer
@@dangelohabersham3143 I really like you. You are very wise
The most interesting way to play it is if YG IS A BLACKFYRE BUT DANY DOESNT KNOW:
Her camp campaign as though he’s a Blackfyre for sure, to sabotage his claim. Inadvertently they’re right of course and Dany gets to be Slayer of Lies again, but it’s another little morally-grey step down for her.
I think people dislike Aegon as he fits the role of secret heir that comes to set his fathers realms to rights and this connects to people not liking the Jon is potentially this prophecy baby but given this is GRRM we are taking about im sure he will subvert the trope in numerous ways
I like the idea of Young Griff getting the throne, establishing himself, then having to deal with his lineage being questioned. I think it’ll happen differently though. Instead of arguing whether he’s a Targeryan or a Blackfyre, people will simply spread rumors he’s not a Targeryan. There are many who already question the legitimacy of his story and his identity. In the end, Illyrio or Varys will verify to him that he’s not a Targeryan.. but a “Targeryan” as in a Blackfyre
>Varys says he is who he is
>he explains this
>book readers still insist the book is wrong and they are right
I kinda hate this fandom sometimes -.- the book will outright state facts and the fandom cries “but but but Jon!” And all I can ever think is “why?” You guys just all want a 1 note can do no wrong Gary Stu who has super hero magic blood and it’s a really really stupid thing to ask for over and over again in a story that could be far more interesting if you’d just read the text and not insist it’s all to do with one cocksucker
@@fuckoffgoogle1657 Damn, you sound like a happy charming dude. Why don’t you sit down and let me ‘splain something to you?
Nobody here wants a one-note can do nothing wrong Gary Stu with a boring “and then everyone clapped” ending. We’re talking about ONE possibility for ONE character.
We do read the text and also speculate
spec·u·late
/ˈspek(y)əˌlāt/
verb
1.
form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.
If you actually read the text the you would know it’s all POV. All were shown is through dialog, observation, and memory. Henceforth, it’s possible there is a lot we the reader are not seeing or are being deceived about.
If you hate this fandom so much, I have some free advice. It costs absolutely nothing for you to go about your business and not engage. Why don’t you come back when you had your coffee, bud?
Isn't that already just Tommen?
I find the whole Young Griff plot really interesting and I’m looking forward to seeing where it goes!!
Me too! I love Faegon because he actually advances the plot lol
A dragon weather red or black is still a dragon
I don't think people like Young Griff as a character that much but they are greatly interested in his storyline. I don't think I've heard of a single person who's favorite character is Faegon
He is top 5 characters for me in winds lmk so i guess i different lmao
@@TheGreaseGoblins Just wanted to give my take on why your Young Griff videos do so well. I could be wrong , maybe he is greatly loved!
The statue in the gardens of Illyrio's mance is an overlooked clue. He tells Tyrion that an artist made the statue of Illyrio when he was 6 and 10. But that doesn't make sense. In the same chapter, Illyrio tells Tyrion that he was a poor boy with a Bravosi blade when he met Varys. Why would an important artist make a sculpture of a poor kid, and where would Illyrio put such a thing, as he wasn't rich yet. Tyrion notes that the sword on the statue shines like real steel, which makes me wonder if the statue is actually of Aegon, the sword is the real Blackfyre sword, hidden in plain sight. Illyrio's second wife had the classic Valeryan features, and he mentions that it's the male line of the Blackfyres that is extinguished which implies that maybe the female line is not extinct, otherwise why not just say the line is dead. Aegon could actually be the son of Illyrio and his second wife, it would make sense that he is the boy in the statue. Illyrio also says that he has debts of affection and the only people he ever expresses affection for is his wife and the boy. That would explain several things, Aegon's physical appearance for example, and explains too why the eggs were given to Danerys. She is undoubtedly blood of the line that hatched and rode dragons, and if Aegon is Illyrio and Sara's son, he would be less likely to be able to hatch them, he may not even be a Blackfyre, he just looks the part because of the Valeryan features. They likely thought that the eggs wouldn't hatch at all, but if they did, they could marry her to Aegon.
Didn't Martin mention blackfyres in first Dunk and Egg shortstory before CoK?
my prediction how aegon fits into the others plot is, that the dragon has 3 heads and its important to the others and azor ahai prophecy. "There must be one more, the dragon has 3 heads." Rheager and master aemon knew this. The 3 heads are most likely dany, jon, and aegon. Dany with her dragons , jon with lightbringer and Aegon with sword blackfyre
Facts, IDK why everyone sees this so divided, Aegon, Dany, and Jon have all had their rash, fiery moments, but at their cores are good people, molded by good influences, and will unite for the realm as the 3 heads of the dragon needed for the world to survive the long night.
My biggest point of tension is, why does Jon never have any sort of dragon dreams, if he is Rheager’s son? Dany has them, Aegon V had them, Aerys II had them, lots of others, but not ever Jon. Hell even Tyrion has dreams involving dragons at least once and used to be lowkey obsessed with them as many kids are. We only can’t confirm if Aegon/Grif has dragon dreams cause he’s not a POV, but even blackfyres are real targaryans even if he’s not Rhaegar’s son even if I’m totally wrong. Aegon IV legitimized his bastards so technically they are Targs. It’s semantics in large part.
Sorta a weird comparison but Ireland. The republic vs northern. They’re both Ireland, even if one is independent and apart of a broad continental union, and the other is technically European separatist (as far as EU is concerned) as apart of the UK. You wouldn’t say Northern Ireland people aren’t Irish just because they come from an off-brand colonial ruled region
Jon in the other hand is hardcore of the north and a great candidate for sword of the morning Aka wielder of lightbringer (what brings the light? Morning, Dawn). And he’s a powerful warg who exclusively his magic dreams are wolf dreams
The dragon must have 3 heads, Aegon is real along with John and Dany
Who are you doing predictions for next?
probably Tyrion
Love your channel btw but as far as young griff i love his character and his shy maid crew and im really interested in his storyline
Thank you appreciate that and I 100% agree
Feedback: More theory vids pls!! Re-reads are cool but these are better imo.
Personally I dont do that series for views I do that series for me bc I enjoy doing so and it helps me brainstorm for other videos and help my understanding on certain stuff, but all I will say is december I am doing an event where u will get more of what u want
I hope there'll be some cool shit with Young Griff in the next book
That theory at 5:50 was the literal dumbest shit I’ve ever heard from the fandom
Young griff is most likely a red herring for the real Aegon
40 minutes? You’re spoiling us
When entertaining whether or not Young Griff acts like Prince Rhaegar, people seem to forget not only that within the Targeryan family even, the disposition(s) of either or both parents does not always seem to play a role in how the natural personality turns out, even those actually raised by their parents (I’m thinking like Jahaerys’s kids specifically lol). And obviously Young Griff wasn’t raised by Rhaegar. And Rhaegar, Dany, and Viserys (who I would say vary wildly in nature) were all parented by the same people and had wildly different childhood personalities.
But even if you’re going to compare him to Rhaegar, they seem to forget that there’s a clear line that cleaves its way through his own childhood-“It seems I must become a warrior”-so like, who he “became” in perception isn’t even reflective of who he was inside; Barriston himself confirms this to Dany, anyone who seems to know him personally seems to know he was kind of a haunted man, and we know this is because he learned of Aegon’s prophecy. Griff doesn’t know anything about that, so he wouldn’t be similarly shaped by that specific burden.
If book 6 and 7 is dance2.0. Jon must have dark sister as a signal weapon.
I mean , Dany and Jon like daemyra, Jon have to support her.
Who do think gerold daynes parents are? Do you think those details could ever be important to where his storyline goes. Ive heard theories about gerold daynes parents being gerold hightower and ashara dayne or being the bastard son of oberyn. Also do you think any aspects of the storylines involving the North wanting to go to war with the lannisters or the greyjoy rebellions maybe inspired by the movie braveheart or the scottish fight for independence. Robb starks and ned stark kinda give me william wallace vibes and both were betrayed and died in ways that they didn't deserve like william wallace. And the reason the greyjoy rebellion gave me braveheart vibes is just that ironborn culture kinda just feels very similar to not only viking culture but also celtic culture. And the iron born wanting to be independent from the other kingdoms again and baelon wanting to king just reminds me of the Scottish fight for independence.
I had a dream where him and Arya got together, it came out of nowhere don't know why I dreamed it
Sometimes i think the whole point of ASOIAF is that "history repeats itself", Daenerys is going to be Aegon the conqueror all over again, and Young Griff vs Daenerys will be the Dance of Dragons all over again (i think they will fight for the throne, i dont believe they will be allies)
If history repeats itself maybe he’s a Targaryen…the snuck aegon II out the city when rhaynera took it
Disagree the dragon battle will be between dany Vs euro who actually wants to steal her dragon
Dude... Is that a Freeburg Midgets shirt???
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@@TheGreaseGoblins hell yeah. I'm a southern Illinoisan as well!
That is insane lmao@@travislott4025
I kinda see Bronn as a King Guard for Aegon 6th. Brienne of Tarth eventually becomes a Kings Guard. I think it will be Jon Snow heritage will undoes Faegon.
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I think it wouldn't matter
Cersei is not well loved
Young griff was trained to do it for the good of the realm
He would proceed
And golden company are home
And young griff is there only way to stay home
Dorne will back it either way for ending the lannisters
I don't care for the character of Young Griff at all, but I find the storyline very enthralling.
Why does no one talk about the fact aegon can possibly get a dragon? Especially with what we know about dragons after hotd dany only gets 1 eventually the other two can choose/bond to other riders i.e., young griff/aegon.
why everyone is making blackfyre videos nowadays?
we talk a lot about Aryanne being Aegon's future wife, but what if she becomes Princess Regnant of Dorne & is a member of Aegon's Small Council? Aurane Waters would be a foreshadowing of the beautiful concelor.
Margaery marrying Aegon would parallel the Duchess of Brittany marrying 3 French kings & Alienor of Aquitaine marrying the French & the English kings, which was one of the causes of the 100-year War.
And, yes, Aegon won't be happy with Tyrion, which may be the linchpin for annulling his marriage with Sansa, so Aegon can take her as a "legal" 2nd wife, in order to unite Westeros, with which the Faith would totally not agree.
I personally think faegon dies trying to claim one of the dragons but that depends on whether blackfyres can claim a dragon, faegon especially likely has quite diluted “targaryen” blood. I think tyrion will be the third head of the dragon due to his somewhat targaryen like features, the rumours that joanna lannister and the mad king had sex and all the foreshadowing coming from tyrion being obsessed with riding a dragon when he was a child.
Absolutely nonsense lol Tyrion and and claiming a Dragon ?? Why ? Just because of Fan service ?? You know the theory that Tyrion is the R child of the Mad king is hard dumb right ?
And Young griff claiming a Dragon just makes sense because of the dance of the dragon foreshadowing by Grrm !!
Red or Black a dragon is still a dragon !
It doesn’t matter if Young griff isn’t a Targaryen because Dragons only listen to people who have Valyria blood !
And young griff is described as extremely Valyrian looking !!
We don't know how he is descended from Blackfyres, if lots of usual Targ incest is involved he would have more dragon blood than Dany and Jon.