Thanks for the video, I tested mime using two joining screws and then checked all remaining holes with the double rule guide bushing and all holes checked out. Sorry to hear that others are having this problem.
Thank you and Merry Christmas to you. Although I use the system a lot, it took a long time before I discovered the errors but now I look forward to seeing what it can do without errors, once you have the system it is hard to do without. :-)
Thank for sharing, I'd heard about the problem with tooling but didn't exactly know where the error was. I got mine in 2019 and haven't used it yet so will check it out before I do my new bench top. Thanks you were just in time. I'll post an update when I have.
I am not a fan of this system. I cut my first MFT this way, and (as someone who has done machining) I was disturbed at the number of times the reference point changed (each one introduces another error from then on). If you ask the manufactured they, as suppliers of engineering equipment, will willingly agree to the long list of small, but additive, sources of error involved. My second MFT was done using a CNC cut template. Big enough to involve only a single change of reference, it was not only more accurate but took less than half the time to cut. Cheaper, too (had I bought, rather than made, either of them).
I totally agree, the reason I chose the system was that it does not take up much space when not in use. The idea is good enough but it suffocates as a minimum that the tool is made with very high precision. It was a big surprise that the holes in the two rulers were not in line.
Mike have a point but with a router it can go horrible wrong if not 100% straight bit/collet, guide bush must 100% accurate centered....I have also a MKII table and is spot on, i mean it is easy, if the system is accurate you only need a drill and you have CNC accuracy table(s)
@@xinixxagnix201 There is no such thing as 'spot on'. Everything has tolerances. Engineering is about working to tolerances. Tool making (and an MFT is a jig, which is equivalent) is about being to tight enough tolerance to ensure the resultant workpiece is sufficiently accurate after the inevitable further loss of accuracy in the making. I have measured both methods using gauge blocks (extremely accurate!) and the template method is superior.
I also thought the issue was mine, I returned my first set and also purchased a second "Ruler Connector Pin" the second set with both rulers together with my connector set and this new set was perfect. I must say Axminister did everything to make this the perfect purchase. CNC machines are not magic, it's the machine's setup person that makes it seem so.
do you have any tip on how to use the frostner bit? for some reason the second table I made with this system ended up with the 20mm holes out of tolerance, they are all sligtly bigger then the first table where the dogs are all a tight fit
The most likely thing is that there is either something wrong with your drill bit or your MDF board. Find a few pieces of MDF that have been in your workshop for a while and drill some test holes, if those holes have the same problem it's your drill that's wrong with it, if the holes are fine it's the board. I guess it has been in a room with a different temperature/humidity than in your workshop, materials for table tops should always be stored for a few weeks in the environment where they are to be used.
@@Harris-DIY Great news, glad you got it sorted. I have always found AT to be responsive so I am confident now to buy the Mk 2 set. Thanks for the video.
I'm glad I came across this video. I plan on purchasing this system next week when I get paid and now I see the that I should test it once I receive it. Thank you.
Yes, give it a check, it's a good system when it's okay. I use mine in many different tasks, but also remember that you can not measure up against the rulers they are not quite straight. See more ua-cam.com/play/PLo4W2syiAHwDweXXomisfotTwQLLCHtlf.html
Thank you for the helpful video. I unfortunately found the same problem with my system (bought in January 2020). It also affects the 32 and 48 mm hole spacing, but at the end of the rulers. Very bad...
You should contact the manufacturer, Axminster in the UK they were very helpful in my case and sent me a new set at no charge. I am very happy with my system and use it in many projects but it is absolutely crucial that it is in order.
I would contact them both. I'm pretty sure Axminster is not interested in having any of their tools on the market if it's not working. I hope and believe you will find a positive solution and would like to hear the result.
I do not think that sounds good, a week should be enough time for an answer. I would contact them on Monday and ask for a quick response. I'm still trying to find a simple way to check if the holes are in line and with the correct distance but it's not quite easy with such small tolerances. Having been in contact with people with experience in laser cutting, I have learned that it is not as simple a production method as I thought but it should of course not affect us as customers, we are entitled to the product being in order.
The rulers have a tolerance built in to compensate for one end being on top of the other and the dip it takes as it lowers to the surface. You can see the error in other videos being multiplied when using it incorrectly...such as you are doing. They are supposed to form a triangle. The top rule will curve and dip down to the table. Lining them one on top of the other cancels out the tolerance.
Thank you for your comment. I don't think there is any tolerance built into the rulers to compensate for the tilt, in that case it would just shift the problem when the rulers are used flat on the tabletop. The problem with the slope can be solved with some spacers of the same thickness as the rulers.
This is not correct. If that was the case tye “tolerance” would only be between hole 9 and hole 10 as its hole 10 that lies on top of the other ruler when forming the triangle. And it’s only the last 5cm or so that does not rest flat on the bench. So this theory can be tested by laying the ruler flat on top of each other with hole 0 on top of hole 0 and hole 10 on top of hole 10 and seeing if all holes line up. Then turning one ruler around (head to toe so to speak) so hole 10 lies on top of hole 0 (and hole 0 on top of hole 10 and the other end). The holes all still line up, so this “tolerance” you describe doesn’t exist. If the “tolerance” you describe was averaged over all 10 holes then nine of them would be drilled correctly.
Yes there were no problems they sent a new set free of charge. The company's handling of my complaint was excellent but since they knew the problem I wish something was done to inform about the problem, I used my set for more than a year before I found out why my countertops were not as precise as expected .
If a person would take one ruler and drill all 17 holes in a scrap piece of MDF and then place the second ruler in the same orientation, they could then check the accuracy quite easily.
Thank you for your comment. It is a good idea to drill all the holes and then test if they also fit the second ruler, I use something similar as one of several test methods.
Once you have the system and are aware that there may be a problem, it's not that hard to figure out where the problem is, you can do the same test that I use in the video. But you have to test the system because it is not possible to find the problem by just looking at the rulers. If you have a couple of rulers that are in order, it is a good system and I am happy with mine and use it for a lot of tasks and since the company easily replaced the defective parts, I would recommend that you buy it.
same as mind, i just buy it, a week ago, and the item same as this video, i am very disappointed, BAD ITEM, can buy but can not use, i think they send to me the Factory rejected item, very bad
You must contact the company you bought the set from and ask them to send you a new set of rulers, if they don't want to, contact UJK. It was lucky you spotted the problem so quickly, I ruined a lot of materials because I thought it was me who didn't understand how to use the kit. Hope you solve the problem and get a set that can be used.
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Thanks for the video, I tested mime using two joining screws and then checked all remaining holes with the double rule guide bushing and all holes checked out. Sorry to hear that others are having this problem.
Thanks for your comment, it's always good to know one's tools are working.
Happy that you take the time to check your gear, that you brought it up with manufacturer and that they responded so quickly. Merry Christmas! :)
Thank you and Merry Christmas to you. Although I use the system a lot, it took a long time before I discovered the errors but now I look forward to seeing what it can do without errors, once you have the system it is hard to do without. :-)
@@Harris-DIY agreed!
I have one and it’s perfect right out of the box, works great and my bench top came out awesome! 👍🏽
Thank you for your comment. I also think it's a nice piece of tool and think that probably only a few sets have a problem.
Thank for sharing, I'd heard about the problem with tooling but didn't exactly know where the error was. I got mine in 2019 and haven't used it yet so will check it out before I do my new bench top. Thanks you were just in time. I'll post an update when I have.
Thanks for your comment, I would like to hear about the result. I am sure you will be happy with the system it can be used for many projects.
I am not a fan of this system. I cut my first MFT this way, and (as someone who has done machining) I was disturbed at the number of times the reference point changed (each one introduces another error from then on). If you ask the manufactured they, as suppliers of engineering equipment, will willingly agree to the long list of small, but additive, sources of error involved. My second MFT was done using a CNC cut template. Big enough to involve only a single change of reference, it was not only more accurate but took less than half the time to cut. Cheaper, too (had I bought, rather than made, either of them).
I totally agree, the reason I chose the system was that it does not take up much space when not in use. The idea is good enough but it suffocates as a minimum that the tool is made with very high precision. It was a big surprise that the holes in the two rulers were not in line.
Mike have a point but with a router it can go horrible wrong if not 100% straight bit/collet, guide bush must 100% accurate centered....I have also a MKII table and is spot on, i mean it is easy, if the system is accurate you only need a drill and you have CNC accuracy table(s)
@@xinixxagnix201 There is no such thing as 'spot on'. Everything has tolerances. Engineering is about working to tolerances. Tool making (and an MFT is a jig, which is equivalent) is about being to tight enough tolerance to ensure the resultant workpiece is sufficiently accurate after the inevitable further loss of accuracy in the making. I have measured both methods using gauge blocks (extremely accurate!) and the template method is superior.
I also thought the issue was mine, I returned my first set and also purchased a second "Ruler Connector Pin" the second set with both rulers together with my connector set and this new set was perfect. I must say Axminister did everything to make this the perfect purchase. CNC machines are not magic, it's the machine's setup person that makes it seem so.
Thank you for your comment. I am also very satisfied with the way Axminster solved my problem.
do you have any tip on how to use the frostner bit?
for some reason the second table I made with this system ended up with the 20mm holes out of tolerance, they are all sligtly bigger then the first table where the dogs are all a tight fit
The most likely thing is that there is either something wrong with your drill bit or your MDF board. Find a few pieces of MDF that have been in your workshop for a while and drill some test holes, if those holes have the same problem it's your drill that's wrong with it, if the holes are fine it's the board. I guess it has been in a room with a different temperature/humidity than in your workshop, materials for table tops should always be stored for a few weeks in the environment where they are to be used.
I think is the drill thank you.
can I use an impact driver instead?
Need to check mine before I start making my final top. Thank you for sharing.
I used mine for a long time before I found out that something was wrong but it is a really good system that can be used for many tasks.
Marcel Marceau?
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@@Harris-DIY Famous mime artist. If you speak it might make for a more engaging film. Useful nonetheless but could be improved 👍
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Bravo Harris 👍👍👍
Thanks
Was there a manufacturing fault with your rulers and was the replacement set sent correct?
Yes there was a manufacturing fault but I was sent a new set with no problems
@@Harris-DIY Great news, glad you got it sorted. I have always found AT to be responsive so I am confident now to buy the Mk 2 set. Thanks for the video.
I'm glad I came across this video. I plan on purchasing this system next week when I get paid and now I see the that I should test it once I receive it. Thank you.
Yes, give it a check, it's a good system when it's okay. I use mine in many different tasks, but also remember that you can not measure up against the rulers they are not quite straight.
See more ua-cam.com/play/PLo4W2syiAHwDweXXomisfotTwQLLCHtlf.html
Thank you for the helpful video. I unfortunately found the same problem with my system (bought in January 2020). It also affects the 32 and 48 mm hole spacing, but at the end of the rulers. Very bad...
You should contact the manufacturer, Axminster in the UK they were very helpful in my case and sent me a new set at no charge. I am very happy with my system and use it in many projects but it is absolutely crucial that it is in order.
@@Harris-DIY I made a request yesterday. However, I bought the system from a German dealer. I will keep you informed about the further progress.
I would contact them both. I'm pretty sure Axminster is not interested in having any of their tools on the market if it's not working. I hope and believe you will find a positive solution and would like to hear the result.
@@Harris-DIY An update: No reply from Axminster Tools yet!
I do not think that sounds good, a week should be enough time for an answer. I would contact them on Monday and ask for a quick response. I'm still trying to find a simple way to check if the holes are in line and with the correct distance but it's not quite easy with such small tolerances. Having been in contact with people with experience in laser cutting, I have learned that it is not as simple a production method as I thought but it should of course not affect us as customers, we are entitled to the product being in order.
Как всегда, интересно!
Спасибо за ваш комментарий
The rulers have a tolerance built in to compensate for one end being on top of the other and the dip it takes as it lowers to the surface. You can see the error in other videos being multiplied when using it incorrectly...such as you are doing. They are supposed to form a triangle. The top rule will curve and dip down to the table. Lining them one on top of the other cancels out the tolerance.
Thank you for your comment. I don't think there is any tolerance built into the rulers to compensate for the tilt, in that case it would just shift the problem when the rulers are used flat on the tabletop. The problem with the slope can be solved with some spacers of the same thickness as the rulers.
This is not correct. If that was the case tye “tolerance” would only be between hole 9 and hole 10 as its hole 10 that lies on top of the other ruler when forming the triangle. And it’s only the last 5cm or so that does not rest flat on the bench. So this theory can be tested by laying the ruler flat on top of each other with hole 0 on top of hole 0 and hole 10 on top of hole 10 and seeing if all holes line up. Then turning one ruler around (head to toe so to speak) so hole 10 lies on top of hole 0 (and hole 0 on top of hole 10 and the other end). The holes all still line up, so this “tolerance” you describe doesn’t exist. If the “tolerance” you describe was averaged over all 10 holes then nine of them would be drilled correctly.
Did UJK send you a new replacement?
Yes there were no problems they sent a new set free of charge. The company's handling of my complaint was excellent but since they knew the problem I wish something was done to inform about the problem, I used my set for more than a year before I found out why my countertops were not as precise as expected .
@@Harris-DIY have you ever tried making a top with the FESTOOL 32 mm track and system?
No, I have never worked with Festool
Got bored with us after the first minute. I hope it ends well.
If a person would take one ruler and drill all 17 holes in a scrap piece of MDF and then place the second ruler in the same orientation, they could then check the accuracy quite easily.
Thank you for your comment. It is a good idea to drill all the holes and then test if they also fit the second ruler, I use something similar as one of several test methods.
But how do you know which rule is incorrect? Guess that's why they are replacing both? Looking at buying this system myself at the moment.
Once you have the system and are aware that there may be a problem, it's not that hard to figure out where the problem is, you can do the same test that I use in the video. But you have to test the system because it is not possible to find the problem by just looking at the rulers. If you have a couple of rulers that are in order, it is a good system and I am happy with mine and use it for a lot of tasks and since the company easily replaced the defective parts, I would recommend that you buy it.
same as mind, i just buy it, a week ago, and the item same as this video, i am very disappointed, BAD ITEM, can buy but can not use, i think they send to me the Factory rejected item, very bad
You must contact the company you bought the set from and ask them to send you a new set of rulers, if they don't want to, contact UJK. It was lucky you spotted the problem so quickly, I ruined a lot of materials because I thought it was me who didn't understand how to use the kit. Hope you solve the problem and get a set that can be used.
@@Harris-DIY thank you very much for your help sir, i haa contact axm and wait they replay, thank you sir...