lots of people think Frusciante always uses knobs maxed out on this pedal, but I literally got a photo of him from recent years where he used it Volume 2 o’clock, Tone 1 o’clock, Gain 10 o’clock. Second mode of course
Is that when he's using two DS-2 pedals though ? Maybe with one maxed out and the other like you said. I've never really heard anyone talk about why he sometimes has TWO on his board?
@@GlennJimenez Ok this is my setup: Level on 10/11, Tone 1 or 2 o'clock, Distortion 1 or 2 o'clock and Remote (II) on. This is mostly my setting for using the Turbodistortion :) I hope it helps :D
I own a DS-2 and listening to you I can see why this pedal sounds amazing if you play single coils. Being mostly a humbucker player myself the pedal feels very different. Also shows how important the amp settings are for tone and drive this to work as a boost pedal (which is what you effectively do when the level control is up).
The problem with DS-2 is the over the top mid hump. Which is amazing with right pickups and amp. But with wrong gear it drives your amp so stuffed that its hard to regognize the notes and all dynamics disappear.
After years of trying different full range overdrives, my favorite two are the Vick Tree Of Life and the Keeley Super Phat Mod. Can’t wait to try a DS-2 again - also, I think for that huge storm in a teacup fuzz, he ran it into a Big Muff Pi. My favorite rhythm fuzz sound ever.
I *love* my Tree of Life and SPM (germanium version of the Keeley). If you dig those tones, you might like the Vfe Blues King. Discontinued pedal, it's a heavily modified BD-2. Superficially similar to the regular Keeley SPM. It does a cool hard-clipping mode.
For best ever rock distortion you must try Friedman BE-OD. Tight amp like distortion even with vintage singlecoils. Beats wampler, fulltone, mi-audio, zvex, suhr etc. Worth every penny.
I've been using so wrong my DS2 all this time. Thank you so much Michael. I'm enjoying so hard the DS2 now that I switched my amp from clean to dirty channel.
I get my tone with a BOSS KATANA 50 MKII with a RAT simulation. I set the simulation too low to get a overdrive, but im thinking in other overdrives. This video helped me so much. Thanks!
@@alexreadsmusic so I would run the chain Guitar > TS-9 > DS-1 > Amp 😉😀 keep the TS on but not giving much gain and hit the DS-1 on when needed. Experiment with settings then to suit you style or gain structure and you’re away!
I'm a bass player. So I'm just curious. How would active pickups or a preamp pedal effect this particular chain? I've only been happy with one overdrive sound in over 30years. Recording. Three tracks. Roughly 50% clean (25% DI / 25% clean amp&cab) 50% dirty guitar preamp into bass amp&cab) 1- Clean DI 2- mic'd cab 3- mic'd cab with the studio's mesa boogie rack guitar preamp. That preamp sounded awesome with plenty of response each way. Even though it's not made for bass.
I like to use the dirty channel of my Fender Champion 40 Amp with my Boss DS-2 a Boss FZ-5 and a Boss DD-3T (Fuzz, Disortion, Fender Reverb, and Delay) and it sounds great
i use mid focused pedals, transparent, and gain from my amp channels, i use a compression pedal, that i actually set kinda high... lately i have been using the od200 alot because i can make my own settings and recall via midi. i run my amps with alot of headroom. i use atleast 2 amps at a time, so i run the preamps thru a switcher, and hit the power amp sections with my hot signal, a mix of preamp and my pedals.
Oddly enough I use a DS-2 > WH10> TS9 (or a tone city golden plexi) > Twin Reverb. And surprising I’ve found that the TS9 controls (with drive reduced) and sounds better than the plexi.
Why u play some random blues stuff when demoing frusciante's tone? Also i think the the DIST is not maxed. Its 3 or 4 o'clock based on the images and the tone when you run it between micro amp and plexi.
Why is it that I absolutely hate boss distortion pedals but love their overdrives? I mostly play metal and love the metal core I have, as well as my classic sd-1. But I like to play hard rock too, and I absolutely hate the ds-1 and ds-2. It just feels like my speaker is broken when I step on it.
I am really thinking this pedal is more suited to single coil guitars vice humbucking guitars which seem to get "flubby" in the low end with this pedal. I'd like to hear from people who have used this box into Blackface Fenders and Marshall plexi's (pre 800) WITH TELEs. It seems like it would shine in such applications where you want a mid boost that doesn't compress/contain the highs/lows. Hereing what it does with Strats really makes me think it could be the ideal distortion for Teles as well.
Your vids have been great for boss pedal stacking really appreciate it. I was looking up Prince's pedalboard setup during the early to mid 2000s when he did that amazing "My guitar gently weeps " tribute and he was using a DS-2 into a BD. But when looking at the actual diagram of his layout they claim he the DS-2 at the end of the chain and the BD up front. Is the BD DS-2 a good combo or would an OD-3 pair better overall with DS-2?
In my opinion , the BD should work as long as you have the gain low and I'd imagine the OD-3 would work also. As always with pedals you have to try and see if it works .....or as you have done , someone with both pedals and they can answer. Also by " work " I'm guessing you mean getting john's sound. I'm sure the DS-2 will stack well with lots of overdrives but some will have a different flavour to John's epic tone.
An inspiring demonstration for experimentation! I really liked the gritty tone you got using this method! I do something similar by running my gain staging as follows: Tubescreamer -> Rat -> TC Mojomojo overdrive. Lots of tonal versatility there. The mojomojo runs a bit dirty just like you might do with an amp like you demonstrated and has a very full, amp-like character. The EQ controls let me dial in more than enough low end to fill out the sound of the more the mid focused Rat and TS and help smooth out the high end.
Not a big fan of this one. Had it for a couple of hours. I was looking for something to get me some thicker lead tones, but this is just too fuzzy and raspy. It'll stay on my board however, as it's decent for high-gain distortion. Otherwise, sticking to my BD2 for solos
I was really hoping you would show us how the DS2 stacks with the OD3… I know this is a theme in my comments lately but if you could do a stacking video with various pedals into the OD-3 into a clean Fender amp you’ve got a fan for life!
I use a Peavey Classic VTX, because it has only two valves in the power section I can get from a nice fenderish clean sound to the edge of breakup with the volume pot on my guitar (usually I use an LP copy with P90s). My overdrive tone comes from a Boss St-2 which is set to noon for bass and treble and almost 0 drive which provides a nice Marshall JTM45-like tone, a mild overdrive, but a little more than the amp by itself. I boost it either with a SD-1 for medium drive or with a DS-1 for high gain sounds. So I am able to go from very clean to beast mode and everything in between. I want to try a Marshall BB-2 to replace the SD-1 for less mid-focus, but I havent done it yet. I boosted it with an FB-2 but since there's a lot of beer and other stuff happening in the rehearsal room I rather keep that at home. Nice video dude!
Thanks Michael for all these suggestions. I have a question about it. If I raise the DS-2 level to maximum, when I activate the pedal to use it with power chords as accompaniment, I risk that the volume will be very high and drown out the other instruments. How can I keep the settings all at maximum like rustling and not increase the volume considerably? I hope you understand what I mean and what is my question for you. Thanks
Yeah I think I know what you mean. It sounds like you should turn the gain up on your amp sound so that you have less headroom on the amp. Then when you turn on the DS-2 with its volume cranked, it will increase the amp saturation rather than overall volume. I hope that helps.
@@guitargatekeeper Dont know where you live but here in Finland you see them all the time on sale. I have had three of them and never paid over 45 euros.
The DS-2 is very superior to the Turbo Overdrive, which is one of my least favorite Boss pedals. I also love the SD-1, especially the Waza Craft edition.
DS-2 is great and very unique. But it has its downsides as well. It doesnt have enough volume for all circumstances and it gets very noisy with the volume high enough. You need to crank the volume to get some bottom end. Volume below 2 o'clock it sounds weak.
I dont think so. We are looking for those over-compressed sound from every solo in Live at Slane Castle .. but Im not sure you are on the right path for this particular guitar tone buddy.
@@JarnellFishball when Blood Sugar came out I liked it. I thought it was fresh, however it didn't last. Like just about all rock music and from that period nothing lasted, just like all the other bands then. Big flash, then done. I honestly was lost musicially for a few years and can't believe I would have ever liked a band like them.
I love the “clicks” from when the pick attacks the strings. That’s a big part of John’s tone. Great video brother.
lots of people think Frusciante always uses knobs maxed out on this pedal, but I literally got a photo of him from recent years where he used it Volume 2 o’clock, Tone 1 o’clock, Gain 10 o’clock. Second mode of course
Is that when he's using two DS-2 pedals though ? Maybe with one maxed out and the other like you said. I've never really heard anyone talk about why he sometimes has TWO on his board?
@@justice100forwin2just ease of use. He uses one for chords and heavy rythyms and one for soloing
@@LockChallenged Oh yeah , I get it. Do you know in what circumstances he uses his bad ass distortion , big muff and recently Boss SD-1 ??
I used the DS-2 for years and it was for years my go to distortion for pretty everything. Good Video man :)
Any tips on making it sound good?
@@GlennJimenez Ok this is my setup: Level on 10/11, Tone 1 or 2 o'clock, Distortion 1 or 2 o'clock and Remote (II) on. This is mostly my setting for using the Turbodistortion :) I hope it helps :D
@@GlennJimenez turn it off and get a good amp
I always thought this way too outlandish to work without even trying it before. I'm so amazed how it sounds with my Marshall style amp
I own a DS-2 and listening to you I can see why this pedal sounds amazing if you play single coils. Being mostly a humbucker player myself the pedal feels very different.
Also shows how important the amp settings are for tone and drive this to work as a boost pedal (which is what you effectively do when the level control is up).
The problem with DS-2 is the over the top mid hump. Which is amazing with right pickups and amp. But with wrong gear it drives your amp so stuffed that its hard to regognize the notes and all dynamics disappear.
After years of trying different full range overdrives, my favorite two are the Vick Tree Of Life and the Keeley Super Phat Mod. Can’t wait to try a DS-2 again - also, I think for that huge storm in a teacup fuzz, he ran it into a Big Muff Pi. My favorite rhythm fuzz sound ever.
I *love* my Tree of Life and SPM (germanium version of the Keeley).
If you dig those tones, you might like the Vfe Blues King. Discontinued pedal, it's a heavily modified BD-2. Superficially similar to the regular Keeley SPM.
It does a cool hard-clipping mode.
For best ever rock distortion you must try Friedman BE-OD. Tight amp like distortion even with vintage singlecoils. Beats wampler, fulltone, mi-audio, zvex, suhr etc. Worth every penny.
I've been using so wrong my DS2 all this time. Thank you so much Michael. I'm enjoying so hard the DS2 now that I switched my amp from clean to dirty channel.
The part about the clean amps and headroom is correct.
Awesome video and super playing.. the tone achieved here is absolutely paint peeling but sounds class
How do you avoid the noise from the single coils with that heavy distortion? Thanks!
Great vid, your pedal vids are excellent and very informative 👍🏻
Just found your channel. Love your work man
Hey thank you!
Very helpful
Thanks for the great advice! I’ve just bought the SD2 turbo and had this problem! Going through a Marshall HD & 4x12’cab.
I get my tone with a BOSS KATANA 50 MKII with a RAT simulation. I set the simulation too low to get a overdrive, but im thinking in other overdrives. This video helped me so much. Thanks!
Love your videos
Thank you!
Sick playing man ❤
Adding a more mid-pushed OD does amazing things with a DS-1 in front given the more scooped EQ hitting it
This is the most rookie question... but when you say in front, do you mean closer to the guitar, or to the amp? *groans*
@@alexreadsmusic so I would run the chain Guitar > TS-9 > DS-1 > Amp 😉😀 keep the TS on but not giving much gain and hit the DS-1 on when needed. Experiment with settings then to suit you style or gain structure and you’re away!
I'm a bass player. So I'm just curious. How would active pickups or a preamp pedal effect this particular chain?
I've only been happy with one overdrive sound in over 30years.
Recording.
Three tracks. Roughly 50% clean (25% DI / 25% clean amp&cab) 50% dirty guitar preamp into bass amp&cab)
1- Clean DI
2- mic'd cab
3- mic'd cab with the studio's mesa boogie rack guitar preamp.
That preamp sounded awesome with plenty of response each way. Even though it's not made for bass.
I like to use the dirty channel of my Fender Champion 40 Amp with my Boss DS-2 a Boss FZ-5 and a Boss DD-3T (Fuzz, Disortion, Fender Reverb, and Delay) and it sounds great
Great! The Fender Champion 40 is underrated if you ask me. Very nice amp.
what voicing do you use?
@@diegopalominoss Tweed mostly
@@charlesrubitschung7592 which colour? been trying to get a similar tone with my champion 20
@@diegopalominoss I do mostly red but sometimes I go for green and orange
i use mid focused pedals, transparent, and gain from my amp channels, i use a compression pedal, that i actually set kinda high... lately i have been using the od200 alot because i can make my own settings and recall via midi. i run my amps with alot of headroom. i use atleast 2 amps at a time, so i run the preamps thru a switcher, and hit the power amp sections with my hot signal, a mix of preamp and my pedals.
Thanks for sharing, sounds like a great setup. I am so late to the OD-200 party, I really need to get one.
Is the attenuator why I’m not hearing any buzz from the strat? Super curious how people get these hum free recordings with lots of drive on a strat
That thing maxed out sounds like an HM2.
Oddly enough I use a DS-2 > WH10> TS9 (or a tone city golden plexi) > Twin Reverb. And surprising I’ve found that the TS9 controls (with drive reduced) and sounds better than the plexi.
Why u play some random blues stuff when demoing frusciante's tone? Also i think the the DIST is not maxed. Its 3 or 4 o'clock based on the images and the tone when you run it between micro amp and plexi.
Plus a single coil sound
He's playing standard nonchalant riffs because if he played any collection of 2 notes from a RHCP solo Warner Bros would come down hard on his ass.
John uses 2 DS-2 pedals, one has distortion at 12 o'clock and the other at 2/3 o'clock as his 2023 pedalboard.
He never mentioned the word Frusciante in the video 😂😂 clickbait
I use my DS-2 stacked with a cheap little (iSET) dumbler pedal...makes my strat more 'metal' sounding. Works with bass too. Try it out!
Sounds cool, stacking definitely brings the DS-2 to life if you ask me. Thanks for commenting!
Why is it that I absolutely hate boss distortion pedals but love their overdrives? I mostly play metal and love the metal core I have, as well as my classic sd-1. But I like to play hard rock too, and I absolutely hate the ds-1 and ds-2. It just feels like my speaker is broken when I step on it.
I love my DS2
I am really thinking this pedal is more suited to single coil guitars vice humbucking guitars which seem to get "flubby" in the low end with this pedal.
I'd like to hear from people who have used this box into Blackface Fenders and Marshall plexi's (pre 800) WITH TELEs. It seems like it would shine in such applications where you want a mid boost that doesn't compress/contain the highs/lows.
Hereing what it does with Strats really makes me think it could be the ideal distortion for Teles as well.
Your vids have been great for boss pedal stacking really appreciate it. I was looking up Prince's pedalboard setup during the early to mid 2000s when he did that amazing "My guitar gently weeps " tribute and he was using a DS-2 into a BD. But when looking at the actual diagram of his layout they claim he the DS-2 at the end of the chain and the BD up front. Is the BD DS-2 a good combo or would an OD-3 pair better overall with DS-2?
In my opinion , the BD should work as long as you have the gain low and I'd imagine the OD-3 would work also. As always with pedals you have to try and see if it works .....or as you have done , someone with both pedals and they can answer. Also by " work " I'm guessing you mean getting john's sound. I'm sure the DS-2 will stack well with lots of overdrives but some will have a different flavour to John's epic tone.
How does it works with TC Cinders? (Blues Driver clone) Anybody try it?
Effectively using the pedal more as a fuzz.
Yeah I guess so. Because of the sheer amount of saturation and compression it creates, it does start to take on a bit of a that fuzz sound.
@Michael Banfield I genuinely prefer that half way between an overdrive and a fuzz tone. Best of both
I use the Tube Screamer before the DS2 and it sounds terrible. I kinda kick both of them on during solos.
he uses it in a different weird way now, probably only for stacking. but has a second ds2 set dimed out for how it sounds good
An inspiring demonstration for experimentation! I really liked the gritty tone you got using this method!
I do something similar by running my gain staging as follows: Tubescreamer -> Rat -> TC Mojomojo overdrive. Lots of tonal versatility there.
The mojomojo runs a bit dirty just like you might do with an amp like you demonstrated and has a very full, amp-like character. The EQ controls let me dial in more than enough low end to fill out the sound of the more the mid focused Rat and TS and help smooth out the high end.
would have been nice to hear some peppers
Not a big fan of this one. Had it for a couple of hours. I was looking for something to get me some thicker lead tones, but this is just too fuzzy and raspy. It'll stay on my board however, as it's decent for high-gain distortion. Otherwise, sticking to my BD2 for solos
RAWR
I was really hoping you would show us how the DS2 stacks with the OD3… I know this is a theme in my comments lately but if you could do a stacking video with various pedals into the OD-3 into a clean Fender amp you’ve got a fan for life!
That’s a great idea. Leave it with me!
Hey Maan, Im after a good 😆dist after OD-3 too! Ha!
ua-cam.com/video/ffL03zMrOzg/v-deo.html he did it in this vid.
I use a Peavey Classic VTX, because it has only two valves in the power section I can get from a nice fenderish clean sound to the edge of breakup with the volume pot on my guitar (usually I use an LP copy with P90s). My overdrive tone comes from a Boss St-2 which is set to noon for bass and treble and almost 0 drive which provides a nice Marshall JTM45-like tone, a mild overdrive, but a little more than the amp by itself. I boost it either with a SD-1 for medium drive or with a DS-1 for high gain sounds. So I am able to go from very clean to beast mode and everything in between. I want to try a Marshall BB-2 to replace the SD-1 for less mid-focus, but I havent done it yet. I boosted it with an FB-2 but since there's a lot of beer and other stuff happening in the rehearsal room I rather keep that at home. Nice video dude!
Thanks Michael for all these suggestions.
I have a question about it.
If I raise the DS-2 level to maximum, when I activate the pedal to use it with power chords as accompaniment, I risk that the volume will be very high and drown out the other instruments.
How can I keep the settings all at maximum like rustling and not increase the volume considerably?
I hope you understand what I mean and what is my question for you.
Thanks
Yeah I think I know what you mean. It sounds like you should turn the gain up on your amp sound so that you have less headroom on the amp. Then when you turn on the DS-2 with its volume cranked, it will increase the amp saturation rather than overall volume. I hope that helps.
Anyone aware of a mod for the DS-1 that gives that Frusciante tone?
Try an wah fixed at "sweet spot" focusing mid boosting. Try before any mod ;)
Yeah, the DS-2
Why bother? DS-2 costs like 40 bucks...
@@nojeshei where?
@@guitargatekeeper Dont know where you live but here in Finland you see them all the time on sale. I have had three of them and never paid over 45 euros.
Cool
I like to use this with an mxr distortion+
The DS-2 is very superior to the Turbo Overdrive, which is one of my least favorite Boss pedals. I also love the SD-1, especially the Waza Craft edition.
DS-2 is great and very unique. But it has its downsides as well. It doesnt have enough volume for all circumstances and it gets very noisy with the volume high enough. You need to crank the volume to get some bottom end. Volume below 2 o'clock it sounds weak.
My DS-2 is always on, I adjust the gain with my volume nob.
DS-1 DS-2 Life Less !
That must have been loud as f...
No. DS-2 is not a loud pedal. For example: DS-2 maxed is more quiet than OD-3 at 11 o'clock.
I dont think so. We are looking for those over-compressed sound from every solo in Live at Slane Castle .. but Im not sure you are on the right path for this particular guitar tone buddy.
chill out pal, have a beer on me.
He is not right, try with médium level, the tone low and full gain in turbo mod
Now play it with a mustang / Jaguar😂
I HATE when people play stupid blues licks. It doesn't mean you're good!! Stop doing it in every video!
Frist
Ironically John Frusciante uses a boss SD-1.......go figure
The sd 1 is before the ds 2 in his signal chain
i can't lie, the DS2 kind of sucks
Lol, no offense but John Fruscianti??? Is even considered good to anyone who a musician?
No offense, but is even considered a sentence to anyone who a language? XD
This can't be a real question right??
yes. technicality doesn't mean good. that being said I believe he's proven to be technically proficient on a great handful of occasions and songs.
@@JarnellFishball when Blood Sugar came out I liked it. I thought it was fresh, however it didn't last. Like just about all rock music and from that period nothing lasted, just like all the other bands then. Big flash, then done. I honestly was lost musicially for a few years and can't believe I would have ever liked a band like them.
@@TeleCaster66 that’s sad to hear