Can I Get 5 Iconic Overdrive Pedals From an EQ Pedal and an OD-3?
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- How close did I get? I hope this video shows how useful an EQ pedal can be, as well as highlighting some of the main differences between these classic overdrive pedals.
I’m using the Boss GE-7 after the OD-3 because that way the EQ pedal has more influence on the overall sound, if I put the Boss GE-7 before the overdrive, it only adjusts the saturation and compression of each frequency band, it would still have the inherent overall sound of the OD-3. In an ideal world I'd have an EQ pedal both before and after the Boss OD-3 but I want to see how close I can get just using one EQ pedal.
Timecodes:
00:00 - Intro
00:39 - Ibanez Tube Screamer
03:16 - Klon
05:43 - Marshall Blues Breaker Pedal
07:18 - Nobels ODR-1
09:20 - Full Tone OCD
The classic Ibanez TS-9 tube screamer. I’ve put the Boss SD-1 Super Overdrive along with this just because it’s another popular overdrive pedal with a similar sound to a tube screamer. The Ibanez TS-9 and Boss SD-1 do seem a bit more compressed than the Boss OD-3 which gives a bit of a softer attack sometimes when you hit hard and lets notes ring out a bit longer. I can hear less of a difference between all the pedals when playing through an amp that's on the edge of breakup, which is how a lot of people prefer to use these more mid focused tube screamer type pedals.
The Ceriatone Centura is the Klon clone that I own so I’ll be using that to compare to here. There's a big difference in the gain settings, the Centura is a much cleaner pedal. I managed to get close to the EQ by using similar settings to the tubescreamer settings but flattening out the peak of the mid boost a little and then making a steeper drop at the edges. The Centura seems to compress in a different way, when I play lightly on the OD-3 the sound gets cleaner and drops in volume but when I play lightly on the Centura, the overdrive cleans up in a similar way but the volume of that cleaner sound seems louder and clearer than the OD-3.
The Marshall Blues Breaker pedal is one of the original amp in a box pedals. The Bluesbreaker pedal is also what a lot of other popular overdrive pedals are based on like the Analog Man King of Tone, the JHS Morning Glory and the Wampler Pantheon. The Bluesbreaker is similar to the Klon in that when you turn up the gain control it changes the EQ, mainly boosting mids. The Bluesbreaker is a bit more subtle than the tubescreamer and Klon circuits though, it’s flatter with the mid boost being mainly in the lower mids. The the difference in the saturation and distortion in the different frequency bands is quite obvious here, the Bluesbreaker pedal is much more saturated, compressed and distorted in the higher frequencies while the OD-3 seems to be much cleaner and less distorted in the high end. This is where it would be very useful to have the an EQ pedal before as well as after the OD-3 to try and get closer to the sound of the Bluesbreaker pedal.
The Nobels ODR-1 is often regarded as the Nashville overdrive sound. I love the ODR-1 for low output single coil pickup guitars like my strat where the open airy high end of the OD-3 can sound too harsh, especially when like here you use it through a Fender blackface with it’s inherent mid scoop a Jensen C12N speaker which is also known to be bright. The ODR-1 has a really big full bass response and has a nice rolled off high end to stop it sounding harsh. If like me you love the sound of the OD-3 but sometimes struggle with harshness in the high end when using single coil pickups, this is a great setting.
Not a lot actually needs to be done to get the OD-3 to sound similar to the Full Tone OCD. Just a tiny little bump at 3.2k and a slight dip at 800hz.
There are obvious limitations to this, I only tried to match one setting from each pedal, I used what I thought were probably the most commonly used settings for each pedal. So even if I did manage to get a sound which is close, remember the range and flexibility of each pedal is going to be different.
I’d say with all of these you got it real close, but honestly the eq pedal with the od3 sounded better than the actual pedal you were trying to copy to my ear. Good job and it’s time to buy an od3 and an eq pedal!
I'd totally agree. The OD 3 sounded awesome...
Thanks! I feel I struggled most with the Bluesbreaker with it's more saturated higher frequencies, which the OD-3 just doesn't really do. But like you say, I kind of like that cleaner high end in the OD-3 a lot of the time anyway. Thanks for commenting!
@@MichaelBanfieldGuitar I think you nailed the tone of the blues breaker but it was less saturated. To me that’s a good thing cuz I’m generally not a fan heavily saturated tones.
Interesting. I kinda thought the opposite, particularly w the Klon and blues breaker.
@Varity Topic I’ve been playing with the eq a lot lately and that’s my best choice as to where to put it.
Imagine just buying an OD-3 and a Boss EQ-200. Then just scrolling thru the different EQ preset to modify the OD-3's tone and response. You, sir, are a genius.
Yeah the Boss EQ-200 would take it to another level!
I bought Boss EQ-20 just for that reason.
Cheaper than the 200 and can save 10 presets.
2 eq's,one before and one after,pricey with the eq200 but what a combo,ultra versatile
Not only is this helpful but it's a great way to train your ears to understand what different pedals do to your signal.
I love that you often use the OD3 for your videos. Its my favorite overdrive, it never leaves my board
Thanks, it's my benchmark overdrive pedal that I use to test and compare other OD pedals. Always seems to perform well, especially into amps set clean. I think it's a good choice for using with an EQ pedal like this because the OD-3 has a nice full frequency response as a starting point.
Very well done. I was truly surprised. I didn't want the comparisons to stop.
Thank you! Glad it was helpful
Running an overdrive and an EQ pedal together is a great idea. David GIlmour and Steve Stevens both do it. It realy helps get the most out of the the OD pedal. This was a great video.
No it wasn't.
MXR for example doesn't allow that.
The MXR overdrive pedal still requires the carbon copy delay pedal to complete the signal.
So the MXR overdrive and EQ pedal both require the carbon copy delay pedal to complete the signal going to the amplifier.
Dude, this video was perfect! Great job, and I really loved how similar and ever “better” you made the combination EQ+OD3 sound when compared to the others. Really helpful! Regards from Brazil 🤟🏻
Really appreciate your demonstration. It definitely slows down my tone and pedal chase. All the best, man!
This is quickly becoming one of my favourite channels- Awsome job!
Great job on this, fun to hear comparisons by people who know what they're doing, and really proves a point, wow.
In short, Yes. My GE-7 EQ is indispensable. I’ve not tried to emulate other specific pedals beyond a tube screamer-but will now! I’m usually taming spikey teles and brightening up a dark guitar.
Children 's perspective.
There's no such problems as you say.
Ibanez pedals require an Ibanez guitar, etc.
Fender guitar, fender cables, fender pedals, fender cables and fender amplifier.
You are the person causing your own problems, matt and I'm sick of YOU saying wrong information to us.
This was great. I've got the OD-3 and I didn't even realize how versatile it was. You've saved me a few bucks in additional overdrive pedals!
What a demo! The pedal community needed this wizardry.
That was THE BEST comparison I have EVER seen!
This was amazing. But next, you gotta try using the EQ pedal to turn all those other pedals into sounding like the OD3!
Your videos are always excellent as well as your playing.
Thank you.
This is a second or a third guitar pedal related video made by you that I'm watching, and I think that I never saw more honest (and usuful) guy talking about guitar pedals. Thank you very much, indeed. I wish you all the best.
Wow, thanks!
I bought an OD3 and an OCD at the same time and pretty much concluded what you did.
I started doing this myself. I got the idea from that Automotone pedal thing. All I first had was an EQ and a boost. Then I got a couple of overdrives and experimented with the EQ before and after. Realized after was better, then realized I personally only need to the one overdrive (an OCD) and the EQ.
Sounds like a good compact and versatile setup that!
But I can change your sound from my TV.
You think this is still 1980, but its 2022.
My TV has a hundred tiny amplifiers.
I can change everything about your sound.
Excellent vid, thanks! I was surprised at how close you could get, especially the OCD, I wasn't sure you'd be able to get a similar amount of gain.
Hi mate, what a great video. Great content, playing, editing, commentary. Keep it up dude!
Bang on, love your videos! I tend to like the sound of the amp with the eq juicing it, and none of the transistory gluey sludge.
Awesome video man. The EQ can make one overdrive into many unique different tones.. for all pedals for that matter. Every board needs an EQ to really get the most out of your pedals.
You've challenged me to get to know my gear better, thank you!
Awesome! The od3 is one of my favourite overdrives, always on my board, and I bought it after watching your videos :D
This makes me happy… Thank you for sharing!
Its not 1985.
Boss makes amplifiers now.
You move on and be quiet.
mission accomplished Michael🤘👏👏 love your Boss comparison vidoes - picked up a BF2 after your modulation vid🥳🥳
That’s brilliant to hear! Plenty more Boss pedal content on the way.
You can also boost the Boss-EQ and don't need the OD-3. Very good video!
I must have tried out 20 or more overdrive pedals during the first lockdown furlough, some of which were very expensive "boutique" offerings! I was on a quest! I ended up with an old OD-3 which I paid absolute peanuts for and a Lovepedal Purple Plexi. Job done!
What a fantastic video. Really fascinating to see the EQ settings and loved having the back to back of all the standard OD pedals. This could save people a lot of money if they used their ears and not their eyes to buy gear.
Genius 🔥🔥🔥
I have a boss eq7 MIJ, and thinking of buying the OD3.. Good job bro 😁👍🏼
What a great and useful video. Cheers!
Excellent and thought provoking video. Use of an EQ pedal vs hunting for the perfect drive (also probably pickups and speakers).
Nice work, I think you nailed it!
Phenomenal work. Now all I need is a GE-7.
Such an interesting video, nice one mate!
I wish I could like your videos more than once.
Michael - Your video randomly showed up in my feed. I watched a few of your videos and enjoyed them. I would really like to see a video about the creative things you can do with having a EQ (as you said) simultaneously in front and behind the distortion / overdrive / fuzz pedal.
I Really enjoyed the approach you took to the videos I watched 🤘🏻
I love OD-3, awesome video!
Mike - as always, nice job ! I appreciate you presenting things in as neutral as possible manner and taking the time to do great videos.
Thanks, I'd love to be able to do more videos. I learn a lot from making them and it's great to hear when other people are finding it useful too. Thank you!
Its the wrong perspective.
All wrong information.
@@dreyn7780 I am curious - what is the right perspective, and the right information ?
I love this. Instant subscribe. If nothing else, this proves the point that your essentials - guitar, amp and the speaker contour the final sound far more than any of the overdrives...all these sounds have something in common and I bet it is mostly due to response of the amp/speaker and the way you set them.
You have not matched any of the sounds 100% but still you got the basic character and in many cases even better/more usable sound in my opinion. I wonder what you would do with a 10 band eq or with an additional eq before the drive.
Boss rulez! Makes my heart happy to see you pushing these pedals to their limit.
Thank you! Glad you enjoy them
Very good! I enjoyed the tone of the OD3. It's something to consider buying in the future. 🤔
Great side-by-side! I've been using my EQ pedal for years to get good sounds out of my Metal Zone ( Let the jokes commence)! I just roll off the high end at 6K and it really takes care of the bee hive buzz. From there the sky is the limit on how you want to shape the mids. I've also used it in the FX Loop of several amps to change the character when in a pinch.
What jokes? The metal zone is beyond versatile
Bro bro taking Ws in this comment section, rock on!
doesn't the metal zone already have an unusually complex and powerful EQ control in those 2 double knobs in the middle? or was that a different metal pedal?
Yes it has a 3 band EQ with the ability to shape the Mid frequency. This still pales in comparison to a 10 band, which lets you individually shape specific frequencies and you get more control over the Bass and Treb as well.
I had an MT2 and kind of regret selling it. I bought it because it covered a lot of ground soundwise, but I never adjusted it once I found a sound that suited this band I was in.
I ended up preferring to use two channel amps instead and my pedals fell into disuse. I kept my SD1 and Guv'nor, selling everything else.
Fantastic video and comparison
honestly, one of the most useful videos on the topic. On my speakers this is very very close. You may have just found long awaited G.A.S. cure 😀
Loved this video! Your channel is full of entertaining videos and very helpful, i only feel that in the blues breaker and ocd comparisons you should have turned the gain in the od-3 a bit more, it felt like in those 2 the od-3 lacked a bit more saturation when going back and forth with the other 2 pedals but in overall all of the comparisons were hell close to the original! Great video!
Thanks! Yes, I may have gotten a little distracted by getting the EQ as close as I could on those that I neglected the gain settings a bit. Thanks for commenting!
@@MichaelBanfieldGuitar No problem! And i get your point of view, sometimes when tryna match two pedals to sound exactly alike you can forget about some other details, like in this case the gain but overall you nailed all those pedals really well!
Thanks a lot for this revealing demo ...
Now i want an OD-3 (;-)
The OD-3 is such a typical (in a good way) overdrive sound, not to hard (it's no RAT) and not to lite (it's no blues breaker). It's literally THEY overdrive sound o think of when I imagine "overdrive". A must have tool and probably can provide the tone most people are forever chasing.
Excellent video! ❤️❤️
Close enough, I'd say. Impressive work!
Aside from the great video, that vintage lacquered tint is some real eye candy
Great video 👍
dude you are a very good genius this two joker pedals
Great video.
EQ pedals can also be used to shape the sound of pick-ups. They can make a Tele single-coil can be made to sound like a P90 or even a PAF, and vice versa. They can also be used to shape the tone of your amp. You can't exactly make a Black Face Fender sound like a Marshal or Vox, but you can use them to make it sound more like on them, and that greatly expands the utility of your amp. All in all, an EQ pedal is one of the most versatile pedals one can have.
The OD-3 really is such a superstar overdrive. I have had a few of these types of overdrives over the years and I’m always surprised by how often I prefer the OD-3. Especially compared to the OCD or BB type pedals, I feel like the OD-3 really succeeds where those pedals fall short imho.
This is a childish approach to equipment.
Boss pedals Boss amplifier. Move on in life.
We don't use general purpose equipment from futuristic japan any more.
We're using 3rd generation products now.
You're thinking 2nd generation products are still 1st generation product.
You're way behind us.
@@dreyn7780 lol what a dumb comment. All these "3rd generation" pedals you're probably talking about.... I guarantee if they're analog, they're based off of an old design. There's only a certain amount of ways to clip and EQ a circuit. And generally, the older components were superior than modern Chinese made ones, which is about all that's available to builders nowadays since Panasonic, Mitsubishi, and Texas Instruments don't make that stuff anymore. There's a reason why Boss pedals are used by more pros than any other manufacturer. And it's not even close. Saying they're an inferior product is laughable.
@@dreyn7780 what
@@dreyn7780 Are you on drugs?
Sounds like you need some professional help.
The conclusion here is, the OD3 + EQ pedal is a killer combination!!
What you did here once more was to prove a decent ear and settings are crucial is designing a tone, rather than shopping pedals.
What Josh did recently came close but started a storm.
3 band eq overdrives are versatile, but adding EQ on top is opening the universe.
bro you are a legend
Here are some cool video ideas :)
Comparing an old shredmaster VS jackhammer, tube screamer VS Klon, hot rod deluxe VS deluxe reverb, strat VS tele, les Paul vs es 335, boss od1 vs sd1, Marshall Guvnor VS proco rat,.. :) Best gear channel on UA-cam!
This was Tom Scholz’s discovery that he used to creat his iconic sounds. He used EQ before and after a clipping circuit. Clipping is clipping. Sound changes from how hard and EQ… maybe some extra character comes from symmetrical vs asymmetrical clipping. Maybe.
Yes! That's a really good reality check for anyone obsessing over different flavours of overdrive.
Absolutely wanna vomit when I hear that guitar sound. Always wondered what frequency was cut or boosted. I don’t obsess over overdrives but did find switching to a Bluesbreaker type was a huge step forward from my SD-1. Assuming Im happy with the amp and guitar I’m playing.
Super vidéo
Boss overdrive and Distortion+GE7 That's perfect 👍👍👍👍
Great video my friend. You got one more subscriber:-)
Good job on the video. Have ever thought about doing a video using 2 Boss Overdrive pedals together? Why I ask this is because I like a guitarist named Criss Oliva (from Savatage). Criss has a very unique sound/tone. I have read that he used 2 Boss Overdrive pedals to get his sound/tone. Some great songs for examples of his tone are Hall of the Mountain King, The Price You Pay, Strange Wings.
an eq pedal is a must for any pedalboard...being able to tweak things on the fly for any environment, amp, etc is a huge thing...
Excellent
Fantastic
I bought the OD-3, SD1 and the GE-7 eq pedals after watching this video! 😂. I’ll admit I havn’t used the eq like this. I have them in the order above. First Impressions: The OD-3 has way more gain (than SD-1) and seems to be more versatile as far as different tones you can coax out of it. The SD-1 is more dirty but seems to be more “tame-able”. Together they are crazy.
Just have to say, I absolutely love the Boss SD-1. I've been using it for years as my main overdrive, and it always sounds great going into a tube amp.
Boss pedals Boss amplifier.
A decade (or even two) ago there was an article on the internet that made the case that any guitar sound could be emulated with this chain : Distortion -> EQ -> Distortion -> EQ -> Distortion -> EQ
Seems like you're pretty much proving that the first Distortion -> EQ pair is true. (The distortion pedal pair... the other two pairs would pretty much be the amp's preamp + EQ Stack and the amp's power amp and speaker.
Throw compression in, in the right spots and it's a pretty flexible rig. (At least in the digital domain where you can easily stack as many copies of a plugin as you want. With real analog stuff it could get expensive, fast, LOL!)
Great video man! I have no respect for the GE7! I use mine for that live mid boost thing but I will strat messing with it more now thanks again!
This was impressive - I'll be trying these settings, but I have the overdrive/distortion pedal (OS2). I would be great to see what you can do with one of those. Also, I would enjoy your take on the Ibanez renometer pedal - five band eq with boost and high boost.
Thank you
Yes I have an old video on the Boss OS-2 comparing it to some classic overdrives and distortion - ua-cam.com/video/hgTKYSmIm40/v-deo.html. It's a very different sounding pedal to the OD-3, it's great though!
@@MichaelBanfieldGuitarWatched your os2 video - again very helpful! I wonder what you could do with an os2 and eq pedal combo.
Ibanez pedal Ibanez guitar.
We've all moved on from this childish approach you have.
We paid Eddie van halen to do all the research.
We stopped wasting time and money.
You're like a little kid mucking around with your little Ibanezy things.
This idea is interesting... hmm... you've blow my mind
This is so awesome. Last week during my guitar lessons I realised that the kind of pedal I need is a simple overdrive. My teacher has a lot different pedals on the board for his students. For the last song we were playing last three weeks (heavy fuzz bluesrock) I played through the Boss BD2. It sounded soo nice and round with a fuzzy feeling. I think it fits in my style. I was always focused on distortions (because I love metal). But for the music I play: (blues)rock, pop and a lot of regular guitar exercises. I don't need a heavy fancy distortion metalish pedal. And during searching a lot of info about the BD2, the OD3 came in sight. So I am in doubt, the BD2 or OD3? Or both! I have a MXR EQ pedal. Maybe I should get a second hand OD3.
Is it possible to use the OD3 as a attenuator?
I also own the DOD Carcosa Fuzz. Nice pedal but sometimes I struggle for the tones I want in that specific moment.
BANFIELD, Grunge Bands and David Gilmour would often use the RAMS Head Big Muff, Boss OD-1 and SD-2, Ibanez 850 as EQ pedals turning the DRIVE close to zero. Kurt Cobain would use the Boss SD-1 was an EQ pedal drive turned close to zero will using the SAMSAMPS pedal. David Gilmour would use the RAMS head big muff as an EQ pedal to get that half cocked tone which you can hear it on floyds Animals album. Kirk Hammett and James Hetfield used Ibanez 850 as an EQ pedal drive close to zero for the rhythm guitars and guitar solos for the first and second metallica album.
EQ + OD3 does everything imho. I love the amazing range of sounds you can get from those two as you so wonderfully demonstrate. :)
Edit: 100% need to upgrade the opamps in the older GE-7's to NE5534P's though. Much too noisy otherwise. I hear the newer made GE-7's with all SMD components are a lot better for noise thankfully.
IME the newer SMT ones are indeed quieter and sound better, I had an old one and a new one, I compared them, and sold the older one.
Yeah You're good
That Centura is hard to beat...
All of the GE-7 plus OD-3 sound remarkably better to my ears.
Get a GE7 eq...a Blues Driver and a DS 1 and you can dial in any gain tones you could ever want...I recently added the Wampler Triumph and Phenom to my collection and they're great but I still love those 3 old pedals I've used for decades.
LIke#159th and Subscribed. Thanks 4 Ur Video !
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video
These days, whenever I think another drive pedal, I turned on one that I already have + an mxr eq and give up on the idea. It's crazy how MUCH you can change the sound with an eq pedal. I actually use a fairfield ~900 pedal along with the EQ, the bias control offer quite a bit of different sounds, the EQ then does its magic and done, GAS is gone!
Tom Bukovac uses his EQ pedal just like this but uses his for changing his Guitar tone to make one guitar sound like other models, there's a great video on some Guitar Mag YT Page showing him doing this.
Did you notice any added noise or hiss with that boss EQ pedal? I have been reading nothing but bad reviews for those saying they're extremely noisy but I also heard a couple years back they finally fixed that problem. Before that everybody had to have a modded so they would get rid of the noise.
Hello, my friend!
I use a generic overdrive with this equalizer pedal to simulate distortion pedals from the sixties, seventies, and eighties.
I can't figure out what amplifier or pedal I am "copying" or simulating, but the sound changes a lot when I mess with equalizer.
Very handy gear, in my opinion...underrated by many young musicians who top priority is to buy many amps or pedals.
The manufacturer doesn't give you a choice.
You can't plug a power drill into a TV.
You can't plug a washing machine into a TV either.
All items must be from the same brand.
awesome video man! how would you get the dumble sound using an eq pedal?
Good question! I'm not very up on the Dumble sound unfortunately. Using an EQ to emulate the characteristics of different amps is an interesting concept though. It would be difficult, so much of an amps tone comes from it's speaker and the way it compresses.
I need to do this kind of experimentation the opposite way, to see if I can get my OD-2 to sound more like an OD-3; bring back some of that shelved bass and cut some of the mid hump.
Interesting video! I had an OD-3 but found it had far too much compression, which killed any dynamics, and I also had a GE-7, which added a load of hiss/white noise when the sliders were moved more than a few dB (which you didn't do), although I know of a mod that corrects this. In any case, I sold both those pedals.
I have an XTS modded ge-7 and it’s the best pedal I own. The modded version is certainly worth it
as an alternative to the eq > drive, using an eq > preamp like the benson, can give you a lot more flexibility than the eq > OD-3
I'm convinced on everything except the ODR-1. The Nobels sounds cleaner, more even. Even equalized the OD-3 sounds a little fat in the mids.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 how could use GE 7 in line to simulate cabinet
Hello, my friend!
I use this equalizer to simulate different distortion sounds.
Another great way to use an EQ pedal. I’d love to do a video on that too. Thanks for commenting!
you can do almost anything with an eq honestly
Michael we’re would you place your eq pedal on your board
I would set the amp lil bit break up if using those pedals. Are u try it yet?? U wont need any other od pedal when u already have that good fender amp
BOSS peadals are great. My OD-3 replaced my $350 Jan Ray
How would a Malmsteen tone look just using the Eq and the Boss?
Great video! Eq+od3 could mimic almost everything ...except OCD - to my ears ocd is stil sounds "creamier".
Thanks! Yeah the compression and saturation is definitely different on the OCD, although it sounded very similar in the room at the time, you can hear the difference in the recorded sound. Thanks for commenting!
Interesting 🤔
Since you don't need it anymore
can I have your Bluesbreaker ?? ☺️
So do you think messing with the EQ and a CS3 would get closer if the compression and sustain feel a bit different?