@@yusouph2002 Technically definitely yes, but the majority of his works that are overly difficult sacrifice musicality and pianism in my opinion. Ofc Liszt-Beethoven or Berlioz or major paraphrases such as Don Juan are much harder, but compared to Chopin, far less people are playing them anyways (especially 1st or 2nd versions of large works and symphonic transcriptions).
THANK YOU for not dismissing op 25 no 2 as super easy as far as Chopin etudes go! I've played quite a few and dabbled with this one but never quite got it to sound the way I want it to. Those hidden polyrhythms really trip me up! I've taken a break from piano for a while and am looking at the etudes again. Now that my technique has improved over a time of pausing and reflecting on it, I'm thinking of possibly tackling no 6 sometime. So hard, but possibly the most beautiful of the 24 etudes IMO. There's just so many musical possibilities with thirds!
the polyrhythms aren’t actually hard once you just focus on the main beats and just the let rest kind of flow out your fingers. hard to explain but I didn’t find it hard, certainly not compared to double thirds…
Relax your hands and your wrists as well as your arms. The only strength should be at the tip of your fingers, this way you can practice for hours without feeling physically exhausted.
They should not hurt and if they do, take a pause then continue when your hands are relaxed. It hurts because it's a new movement for you and you have to learn it slowly and with relaxed hands. It's very important otherwise you get bad technique, piece is not going to sound well and you can hurt yourself.
I started working on no. 6 as my first Chopin etude this week as someone who hasn't been taking piano as seriously as I originally had been 8 years ago. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I'm finding this etude fairly accessible as a first Chopin etude. I'm not working with a teacher, but my dad who has been working on this piece for over a decade said that I had the technique down. This is the most I've ever practiced classical piano my entire life, and I don't plan on slowing down until it's comfortably up to speed. I agree about the musically challenging aspect, the transitions between different passages are rly hard to get through comfortably. However, I think the left hand is really easy for almost the whole piece, and the one place it's not, it's mirroring the right hand with the same chords in each hand. So I think that makes the musical concept not super brain busting to grasp, and it's pretty straightforward to practice. It's nice to hear a serious professional say that it's super hard though.
This is exactly what I wanted, I have played lots of etudes from op. 10 but I never played the op. 25. Thank you for giving me ideas of what piece I should start on!❤ I would definitely start on op. 25 no 6.
@@Annihilator_5024 It really depends why you are practicing certain piece but with etudes it's not really meant to be rewarding, it's a techincal study. The reward is that you've worked on your technique and it'll make learning other, more rewarding, pieces easier
@@speedyx3493 no. bad mindset. don't think of them as a sequence of physical movements; analyze them musically, think about how you can be expressive through the piece while *also* mastering the techniques it presents. music is like speaking a complex language. it's unfair to treat chopin etudes like hanon. for example, horowitz barely had any physical ability left towards the end of his career, but we loved him just as much because he *owned* his music.
What an enjoyable video! I so loved, LOVED it!! Watching your videos and reading the comments of our knowledgeable piano community are very appreciated. Thank you!
No 6 is very interesting, I love to play this one, it seems that you have to be in total harmony with your instrument, otherwise you might get yourself injured even. Dangerous etude. Friedman and Lhevine are gods at this etude.
Very interesting to hear it from a pro player like you where you would stack these pieces. I'm still learning the waltz in a minor just so I can say that I can play Chopin lol. The intro was hilarious tho!
Oh well, you asked for thoughts on the Chopin Etudes. I will do only musically and melodically because I play piano for only 3 years and play easy Bach preludes like BWV 924 so I didn't take the etudes up as I don't want to break my fingers 😅 So here it is: Op. 25 no. 1 - Oh my god, 1st etude of op. 25 and we're starting strong. Oh well - one of my favourite etudes from not only op. 25 but also op. 10. Those arpeggios are so beautiful, especially the middle part with the transposition back to the theme! Oh I love it! 10/10 Op. 25 no. 2 - Hmm, I don't have much to say there. It's more based on the technique more than melodies. Still - a great theme as in all Chopin pieces. Also the polyrythm is nice. 7/10 Op. 25 no. 3 - Ooh, gotta love the gallop! But kinda nothing more to say. 7/10 Op. 25 no. 4 - Another one of my favourites. It's one of these pieces that you love but hate to play. The melody there is sooo cool! And the accompaniament with the jumping chords is just on point! 9/10 Op. 25 no. 5 - And now the wrong notes. Oh wow - the middle section is just... it's sooo beautiful! I've actually heard it so many times that when people play it without the wrong notes - my brain puts ut automatically in. The music there is just mwha! 9/10 Op. 25 no. 6 - Dramatic, fast and after the end op no. 5 is a nice change of pace. Cool runs. 8/10 Op. 25 no. 7 - One of the slower ones. It kinda reminds me of the Prelude op. 28 no. 15 by Chopin, the "Raindrop prelude" with the repeated notes. I think Chopin might've inspired himself to write it by his own piece, anyways - melodies are just on point. Not one of my favourites, kinda skippable - 5/10 Op. 28 no. 8 - It makes me feel I'm some kind of a flying with all those ups and downs - it actually makes this etude unique. 7/10 Op. 25 no. 9 - Oh gosh, another one of my favourites. I gotta say, I do love cute, small, little break in the dramatic repertouire being the Chopin Etudes. Amazing melody with all those jumps actually make me feel like this little butterfly! 10/10 Op. 25 no. 10 - I think that if etudes were people, then this etude would be a drama queen. It's soo dramatic with all those runs. But I gotta say - the middle, slower part is amazing and when the part where it comes back to the theme happens, I'm just amazed. 9/10 Op. 25 no. 11 - Hmm, Winterwind. The greatest thing of it is probably the theme in the left hand, it's amazing. The runs of the right hand add a lot of drama to the mix if the left-handed theme wasn't enough. It's the only Chopin Etude I can play jk. I can only play the first 4 bars but I think everyone can do that. 8,5/10 Op. 25 no. 12 - And the last of the 24 etudes - Ocean etude. As the tempo suggest - it's an etude con fuoco, with fire. I just love these arpeggios over the whole piano, I just can't pick a part of this etude that is my favourite, it's sooo beautiful. And just when the Major comes in but then back to Minor and then back to Major is just awesome! If I had to choose the best part, then it'll probably be the ending of it - it aways gives me goosebumps. That major chord is everything that we need at the end of this whole drama that is called the Chopin etudes and I think it's just the thing that I can't explain. Probably my favourite etude of all 27 etudes counting those 3 later written. 11/10 And that's all! I think I would rather listen to more op. 25 etudes than op.10. I gotta say for the end - I adore, love and think that the op. 25 no. 12 is amazing, brilliant, talented and put more stuff that Lady Gagy said. Have a nice day, or night!
I actually struggled with Op 25. No. 12 the most out of all of these. I think technically it's not as hard to hit all notes like as in 25-11, but I think it's musically much more difficult. Frankly, almost every performance of it I've heard doesn't do it justice, aside from Sokolov. I was never able to get the sound I wanted from it, but I could from 25-6 which most people think is much more difficult.
You can hear Cortot in this etude, his 1933 recording (all the etudes were recorder in one shot, no correction!). m.ua-cam.com/video/-UnZdSAAVSc/v-deo.html
John Browning has a magnificent recording of Op.10 and Op.25. He plays all of them superbly with the perfect balance of poetry and power called for by these pieces.
It's interesting how different the interpretations of "difficult" is. I'm struggling with Op25.nr9 whereas I had no issues with Op25.nr12 which I found quite natural and quite easy (there are only a few difficult parts in it, everything else just flows and makes sense mechanically). Nr9 makes my hand ache and I can't quite figure out the technique to relax while at the same time getting the top melody to sing together with the octaves. I suspect I have some issues with staccato octaves + small additional notes in the same hand. It's a nut I'm going to have to crack though.
12 25 at the mm of 160 is harder than 9 at its mm 6 at 25 are the hardest at the mm because of 10 no 1 is slower. If you played op 10 no 1 and 25 12 at the same speed 10 1 would be harder but it's mm is 144.
@@classicalmusic432hz8 True that. However, the marking is "molto allegro con fuoco" which can be interpreted between 75bpm to 85bpm (double note of course, so 150 to 170). I do play it quite fast, probably around 150bpm but that is the threshold for me. I don't think I can articulate it properly if it's faster.. need different technique too I think. The main difference is that I can play it without cramps and physical problems whereas Op25 no 9 gives me real issues with tension. I haven't figured it out yet how to play it relaxed. I had even more problems with Op25 no 6.. that one is just impossible.
@@classicalmusic432hz8 Just checked my last practice recording and it's indeed a bit slow at around 145bpm average. This is good food for thought. I do feel like this tempo is "correct" but that's probably due to conditioning from hearing so many other renditions. My favorite recording is faster though.. Mauricio Pollini plays it at around 150bpm on the recording I have.
@@niklassilen4313 your hand shouldn't be getting sore what cziffra said to do was develop the ear. So what you want to do is play slow and concentrate on developing the ear and mastering the thumb. You want to get to the point where like volodos said you have an aural image and then you project that energy into your thumb and it moves the correct way and the thumb should have independent movement from the rest of the hand.
I'm practicing No. 12 right now and it really isn't that hard if you're looking at it on the surface. Yet, it is seducing you to become very solid in the way you're transposing all those hand positions up and down the keybord, which can actually kill your hands when playing it from beginning to end. You really have to make sure, just as in Opus 10, No. 1, that your hands remain very flexible and the intersection where the hands move over on the repeated notes between thumb and 5th finger becomes as organically flowing as possible.
I fully agree with your ranking. For my feeling 25/6 is really the most difficult one, which already my teacher said when I was 12 years old. I tried to play it, but of course I failed. I am now practicing it for my next home recital in November. (And I am happy with my progress.) The etude with the octaves is something written for me. I do not seem to have difficulties with it, surprising my piano teacher. (BTW I am 73 years old The exercise with the sixths is also interesting. I used to play it without many difficulties. My father told me that Rubinstein used to play it every morning as first peace. I don't know whether it is a true story. But I can believe that it is a good "mantra". I did not play all Chopin etudes. I am not a professional, not at all - I am a technician in electronics and IT. At my last home recital I was performing 25/1, knowing for the first time that it was called the Aeolian Harp. Thanks for your contrubutions and the best of luck for you. Where are you from, originally?
This video was as good as the first part ! After studying piano for several years althought for some years i didn't play , i'm planning to take one etude of those, i'm thinking about Op.10 # 11 or # 12 ! Again you made a great video !
Everyone has their own order of difficulty. I think no 11 is the hardest and no. 9 is EXTREMELY difficult at Chopin’s metronome marking. I never found 6 or 10 difficult, but strangely struggled with no 3 and 5.
you should do rachmaninoff etude-tableaux op.39 no.6 for a 1min,10min,1hr challenge if you haven’t already done the piece, if not anything from rachmaninoff
Fares Kouki This is a great idea! As someone who has never had access to a piano instructor because of cost and location, I would have loved to have some sort of guidance as to what is a good path to progressively improve. A lot of people believe you can only learn if you can pay for it but I think it's awful how knowledge is heavily gatekept for the privileged. . . which is why I love Annique's channel.
I ask you a question, have you ever found yourself with a piano that did not allow you to play well certain complicated works such as Chopin's etudes? Pianos that because of the type of mechanics seem to offer some kind of resistance to your hands and not because the keys are very heavy but because there is "something" in the instrument that makes you can not control what you are playing, even knowing that you master those works and that you know that on other pianos you can play them without any inconvenience. And if it ever happened to you, what do you do? do you cancel the concert? haha Sorry for being so long. Best regards from Argentina, Buenos Aires.
I loved the video and your wonderful humorous style. We can still laugh and smile through the difficulties. And difficulties are by the fistful. I've loved these pieces since I was 15 and I've heard every great artist tackle them. I love 10 #1, 25 #1, and 25 #11 the best but they are all gems in their own right. The only one I've played through is 25 #1 which isn't too bad but it's so beautiful. I'm still trying to get 10 #1 but it's slow going. Horowitz rendition of 25 #1 on his final cd "The Last Recording" is sublime. Its his finest playing overall and he saved it for his last. I can't wait to get yours.
I’m learning double thirds right (op 25 no 6) and all I can say is that it’s painful. Despite the technical challenge, it’s very musically challenging as u mentioned. However, the technique itself is eventually just comes to your fingers.
Thanks for the S++ on the 8th etude ! Henle Verlag classify it at 7, I never get it why… and btw, what criteria are they based on to establish the levels of difficulty?
La clasificación que das concuerda en general con mis capacidades Yo pondría op 25 11 en la categoría más alta de dificultad. Bajaría en dificultad op 25 no12y 10. Gracias por tu aporte y tendré tu canal en cuenta para mis estudios en piano
The Godowski 53 paraphrases on the 27 Chopin Etudes are not simply harder---they're orders of magnitude WAY beyond the original. ( think piano rocket science) I play about 15 of them so far---its a very safe bet that as Artur Rubinstein once said" I'd never want to be on stage alone w a Godowski transciption!!"-- that 99.99% of ALL pianists---it's not really a possibility.
I discovered you a while back thanks to the Unravel sight reading challenge and since then I've come back every once in a while but never subbed and idk why cause this channel is really cool, not only does it give great insights into pieces it's also really comfy, so finally, I am subscribing here ! Also, I've been playing the piano for three years now but never touched classical music, what would you recommend as a first piece ? I was thinking of Liszt consolation 3 to work on expressiveness but I don't really know (currently working on one of Animenz arrangements)
Technically I think 11 (Winter Wind) ranks at least as high as 6 (Thirds), while 8 (Sixths) is significantly easier than 6 for me. In short, I think 6 and 11 are the most difficult by far. I've been playing 6 for 17 years on and off (since 2005) together with Liszt's Feux Follets. Both are devilishly hard to mature. I admire people who play them fluidly. Now that you've got the scores of Liszt's Etudes d'execution Transcendante as a gift, please do Feux Follets, Vision, Eroica, Ricordanza, and Harmonies du Soir (my top favourite among the set) !
Definitely agree. I tried Nr6 for a few weeks and just gave up. I can't get even the first page (those first runs up) to make any kind of sense mechanically. Those thirds are absolutely brutal and my hand starts cramping in just a few seconds. I really need somebody to break down the technique for me down to the smallest detail. Can't figure it out on my own at all.
@@niklassilen4313 1. First of all, acquire the piece in memory as soon as possible. Surprisingly it is A LOT easier to memorise than to perfect 2. Break down into sections, phrases . . . Experiment on, and then mark down and STICK FIRMLY to your favourite fingerings 3. SLOWLY PRACTISE each phrase/section 4. VERY SLOWLY PRACTISE each phrase/section 5. EXTREMELY SLOWLY PRACTISE each phrase/section, literally like CRAWLING. Perhaps at most two double-notes (thirds) per second. 6. Relax on each and every stroke 7. Go back to Step 3. 4 & 5 on passages that you find particularly tricky 8. Bear in mind that this piece WILL take YEARS to polish on. 9. Enjoy the practice sessions, and have fun!
@@peterchan6082 Thanks for all the good pointers! Yes, I think the key is to practice super slow and learn to relax the hand, teaching the brain that it's required. Luckily I have no issues memorizing pieces so that's a non-issue.
This might be silly but can you make a video on ways to work toward playing without looking I feel this plays a big part with people who are trying to sight read more effectively!
ocean (the #12) at tempo is S++++ lol everyone always plays it at like 85% speed. to be fair, it sounds amazing and dramatic when slowed down to that time. it's "supposed" to be @ 𝅗𝅥 = 80, though.
THANK YOU. Yes, I’m sick of everyone saying ocean etude is easy because “it’s just arpeggios bruh” when most of them can’t play it clean anywhere near the marked tempo without making tons of wrong notes
25 2 Fminor is that as she says rytm against each other+that one seldom Come right much because of unexpected hardness(like Mozart) makes it hard but very known
I opened this video but paused it and went to do some stuff completely forgetting about it... When I came back and read the first half of the title I thoght "WHAT THE f**k WAS I WATCHING??!!" 😂😂
Ok so you’re telling me that you played your first Chopin etude when you were EIGHT YEARS OLD and at the same time that these etudes are some of the most difficult pieces in piano literature?!!
Chopin's Op. 25 No. 8 is the most difficult etude; I play No. 6 without any issues, as well as Op. 10 No. 1 and No. 2. However, the sixths are a true hell for small hands.
Yo pondría el no 2 claramente más abajo. Con los demás estoy bastante de acuerdo! Para mí el no 2 es bastante más fácil que el no 1. Por tanto lo pondría en B o incluso en C 😉
You talk about elbow motion a lot. I’ve never thought about my elbow motion, and thought, “this etude forces elbow movement? I don’t think so…” So I sat down and played it and realized, “oh I guess it does.” - the only piece I ever felt that forces a certain movement was Rach3, third movement, at the very beginning when the left hand makes jumps from chord to chord, and throws in that extra note accompanying the repeated notes. - and come to think of it, it’s difficult because you have to resist twisting your wrist (resisting unnecessary movement)
I disagree with no.12, I think is among the super hardest ones, alsoI think no.10 is easier than no.12. But I agree with the rest. Beautiful playing btw💗💗🎉
I agree, I think your very right very much yes, uhhhuh…. Except for No.12, that one is just bs, no matter how much I practice it, it will not cooperate. :(
Me too, so many people say “it’s easy bruh, it’s just arpeggios” but they would probably make tons of wrong notes if they tried playing it anywhere near the marked tempo
Just saying my own opinion , if we compare Winter Wind to The Double Thirds etude it is easy. Yes it is hard but the technique is way easier than the Double Thirds or the op. 10 no.2 Double Thirds and Op. 10 no. 2 are just way harder. So Winter Wind is hard but not S++ maybe S.
I would argue that the etudes of op 10 are more valuable and that op 25 was written to cover some more obscure techniques. I think op 10 no 1, 2, 4, 12 and op 25 no 1, and a casual intro to 6 give the most universal and practical value. I haven’t played them all though. But that’s the impression I’ve been given by a lot of people and it makes sense to me too. That said, of all my piano friends, the one who always blows people away with his technique doesn’t believe in etudes. He likes just playing big pieces that are actually nice to play and learn technique from them instead. I’ve come to agree with him a lot. I would argue that everyone should learn Op 10 no 12 (I sucked when I played it lol and need to relook) op 10 no 1 and maybe another Etude of personally found necessity and then basically be done
Off-topic: The Seventh Etude is unique in that its main theme begins with a quotation from the Introduzione to the second act of Bellini's Norma. ua-cam.com/video/G82IDaoUrx4/v-deo.html
hey i am 23 years old and want to be a pianist but i am a beginner and chosen the wrong stream ..what should i do ? Should i leave my job and start as a beginner ...i want to become a professional pianist who fights big competetions i know it takes a lot of yeaers of practise and still is very hard but i want to do ..is there any way for me now??
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I remember back in the days when I thought Chopin was really easy compared to Schumann and Liszt, I was wrong on so many levels 😭
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@mercenaryen Fellow Bleach enjoyer I see.
Well, Chopin is definitely a lot easier than Liszt...
@@yusouph2002 Technically definitely yes, but the majority of his works that are overly difficult sacrifice musicality and pianism in my opinion. Ofc Liszt-Beethoven or Berlioz or major paraphrases such as Don Juan are much harder, but compared to Chopin, far less people are playing them anyways (especially 1st or 2nd versions of large works and symphonic transcriptions).
Schumann is no easy stuff at all.
His piano music are often very unpianistic, ie, not pianist-friendly.
Shes not only playing chopin with 8 years old but its also an ETUDE from him while i started playing with 8 years
Op 25 no 5 is my favorite out of all etudes
It’s really good, but op 25 no 1 is soooo beautiful 😭 And for some reason op 25 no 9 makes me cry as well…
Lol nice. It's definitely got one of the most famous melodies in the b section
Mine too.
Yeah, and opus 10 no 3 is overrated
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THANK YOU for not dismissing op 25 no 2 as super easy as far as Chopin etudes go! I've played quite a few and dabbled with this one but never quite got it to sound the way I want it to. Those hidden polyrhythms really trip me up! I've taken a break from piano for a while and am looking at the etudes again. Now that my technique has improved over a time of pausing and reflecting on it, I'm thinking of possibly tackling no 6 sometime. So hard, but possibly the most beautiful of the 24 etudes IMO. There's just so many musical possibilities with thirds!
actually all but this one is in arct
Of course no 2 it's not super easy since it's a Chopin Étude. Anyway it's to me the "easiest" one.
It is not easy. Most people play it without even realize the rytmh.
the polyrhythms aren’t actually hard once you just focus on the main beats and just the let rest kind of flow out your fingers. hard to explain but I didn’t find it hard, certainly not compared to double thirds…
Hey annique, im going through rough days
I feel warmed when I listen to you thanks
I love no. 1 sooo much. It's fairly easy but my fingers hurt after 15 minutes of practicing :(
Relax your hands and your wrists as well as your arms. The only strength should be at the tip of your fingers, this way you can practice for hours without feeling physically exhausted.
They should not hurt and if they do, take a pause then continue when your hands are relaxed. It hurts because it's a new movement for you and you have to learn it slowly and with relaxed hands. It's very important otherwise you get bad technique, piece is not going to sound well and you can hurt yourself.
Are you sure do you use right technique?
@@Dalpy yeah, I use the one from her tutorial
Same lol
I started working on no. 6 as my first Chopin etude this week as someone who hasn't been taking piano as seriously as I originally had been 8 years ago. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I'm finding this etude fairly accessible as a first Chopin etude. I'm not working with a teacher, but my dad who has been working on this piece for over a decade said that I had the technique down. This is the most I've ever practiced classical piano my entire life, and I don't plan on slowing down until it's comfortably up to speed. I agree about the musically challenging aspect, the transitions between different passages are rly hard to get through comfortably. However, I think the left hand is really easy for almost the whole piece, and the one place it's not, it's mirroring the right hand with the same chords in each hand. So I think that makes the musical concept not super brain busting to grasp, and it's pretty straightforward to practice. It's nice to hear a serious professional say that it's super hard though.
This is exactly what I wanted, I have played lots of etudes from op. 10 but I never played the op. 25. Thank you for giving me ideas of what piece I should start on!❤ I would definitely start on op. 25 no 6.
that's one of the last ones i would learn haha! it's one of the less rewarding ones imo
@@Annihilator_5024 It really depends why you are practicing certain piece but with etudes it's not really meant to be rewarding, it's a techincal study. The reward is that you've worked on your technique and it'll make learning other, more rewarding, pieces easier
@@speedyx3493 no. bad mindset. don't think of them as a sequence of physical movements; analyze them musically, think about how you can be expressive through the piece while *also* mastering the techniques it presents. music is like speaking a complex language. it's unfair to treat chopin etudes like hanon.
for example, horowitz barely had any physical ability left towards the end of his career, but we loved him just as much because he *owned* his music.
Ok but that makes me confused why u say no 6 is not rewarding because i feel like its one of the most musical etudes out of all of his etudes...
What an enjoyable video! I so loved, LOVED it!! Watching your videos and reading the comments of our knowledgeable piano community are very appreciated. Thank you!
No 6 is very interesting, I love to play this one, it seems that you have to be in total harmony with your instrument, otherwise you might get yourself injured even. Dangerous etude. Friedman and Lhevine are gods at this etude.
Yes, I did injure my hand practicing (unnecessarily forcing the tempo that is) this etude.
Yaay another heart of the keys upload!
Very interesting to hear it from a pro player like you where you would stack these pieces. I'm still learning the waltz in a minor just so I can say that I can play Chopin lol. The intro was hilarious tho!
Oh well, you asked for thoughts on the Chopin Etudes. I will do only musically and melodically because I play piano for only 3 years and play easy Bach preludes like BWV 924 so I didn't take the etudes up as I don't want to break my fingers 😅
So here it is:
Op. 25 no. 1 - Oh my god, 1st etude of op. 25 and we're starting strong. Oh well - one of my favourite etudes from not only op. 25 but also op. 10. Those arpeggios are so beautiful, especially the middle part with the transposition back to the theme! Oh I love it! 10/10
Op. 25 no. 2 - Hmm, I don't have much to say there. It's more based on the technique more than melodies. Still - a great theme as in all Chopin pieces. Also the polyrythm is nice. 7/10
Op. 25 no. 3 - Ooh, gotta love the gallop! But kinda nothing more to say. 7/10
Op. 25 no. 4 - Another one of my favourites. It's one of these pieces that you love but hate to play. The melody there is sooo cool! And the accompaniament with the jumping chords is just on point! 9/10
Op. 25 no. 5 - And now the wrong notes. Oh wow - the middle section is just... it's sooo beautiful! I've actually heard it so many times that when people play it without the wrong notes - my brain puts ut automatically in. The music there is just mwha! 9/10
Op. 25 no. 6 - Dramatic, fast and after the end op no. 5 is a nice change of pace. Cool runs. 8/10
Op. 25 no. 7 - One of the slower ones. It kinda reminds me of the Prelude op. 28 no. 15 by Chopin, the "Raindrop prelude" with the repeated notes. I think Chopin might've inspired himself to write it by his own piece, anyways - melodies are just on point. Not one of my favourites, kinda skippable - 5/10
Op. 28 no. 8 - It makes me feel I'm some kind of a flying with all those ups and downs - it actually makes this etude unique. 7/10
Op. 25 no. 9 - Oh gosh, another one of my favourites. I gotta say, I do love cute, small, little break in the dramatic repertouire being the Chopin Etudes. Amazing melody with all those jumps actually make me feel like this little butterfly! 10/10
Op. 25 no. 10 - I think that if etudes were people, then this etude would be a drama queen. It's soo dramatic with all those runs. But I gotta say - the middle, slower part is amazing and when the part where it comes back to the theme happens, I'm just amazed. 9/10
Op. 25 no. 11 - Hmm, Winterwind. The greatest thing of it is probably the theme in the left hand, it's amazing. The runs of the right hand add a lot of drama to the mix if the left-handed theme wasn't enough. It's the only Chopin Etude I can play jk. I can only play the first 4 bars but I think everyone can do that. 8,5/10
Op. 25 no. 12 - And the last of the 24 etudes - Ocean etude. As the tempo suggest - it's an etude con fuoco, with fire. I just love these arpeggios over the whole piano, I just can't pick a part of this etude that is my favourite, it's sooo beautiful. And just when the Major comes in but then back to Minor and then back to Major is just awesome! If I had to choose the best part, then it'll probably be the ending of it - it aways gives me goosebumps. That major chord is everything that we need at the end of this whole drama that is called the Chopin etudes and I think it's just the thing that I can't explain. Probably my favourite etude of all 27 etudes counting those 3 later written. 11/10
And that's all! I think I would rather listen to more op. 25 etudes than op.10. I gotta say for the end - I adore, love and think that the op. 25 no. 12 is amazing, brilliant, talented and put more stuff that Lady Gagy said.
Have a nice day, or night!
for 25 12 i'd call the two climaxes the "best" parts
Your ranking was good and well-justified. Agreed!
I actually struggled with Op 25. No. 12 the most out of all of these. I think technically it's not as hard to hit all notes like as in 25-11, but I think it's musically much more difficult. Frankly, almost every performance of it I've heard doesn't do it justice, aside from Sokolov. I was never able to get the sound I wanted from it, but I could from 25-6 which most people think is much more difficult.
They are but equal imo Rubinstein said 11 was the hardest etude. Horowitz said op 10 no 1
You can hear Cortot in this etude, his 1933 recording (all the etudes were recorder in one shot, no correction!).
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John Browning has a magnificent recording of Op.10 and Op.25. He plays all of them superbly with the perfect balance of poetry and power called for by these pieces.
Sokolov plays it too fast
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Amazing...
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It's interesting how different the interpretations of "difficult" is. I'm struggling with Op25.nr9 whereas I had no issues with Op25.nr12 which I found quite natural and quite easy (there are only a few difficult parts in it, everything else just flows and makes sense mechanically). Nr9 makes my hand ache and I can't quite figure out the technique to relax while at the same time getting the top melody to sing together with the octaves. I suspect I have some issues with staccato octaves + small additional notes in the same hand. It's a nut I'm going to have to crack though.
12 25 at the mm of 160 is harder than 9 at its mm 6 at 25 are the hardest at the mm because of 10 no 1 is slower. If you played op 10 no 1 and 25 12 at the same speed 10 1 would be harder but it's mm is 144.
@@classicalmusic432hz8 True that. However, the marking is "molto allegro con fuoco" which can be interpreted between 75bpm to 85bpm (double note of course, so 150 to 170). I do play it quite fast, probably around 150bpm but that is the threshold for me. I don't think I can articulate it properly if it's faster.. need different technique too I think.
The main difference is that I can play it without cramps and physical problems whereas Op25 no 9 gives me real issues with tension. I haven't figured it out yet how to play it relaxed. I had even more problems with Op25 no 6.. that one is just impossible.
@@classicalmusic432hz8 Just checked my last practice recording and it's indeed a bit slow at around 145bpm average. This is good food for thought. I do feel like this tempo is "correct" but that's probably due to conditioning from hearing so many other renditions. My favorite recording is faster though.. Mauricio Pollini plays it at around 150bpm on the recording I have.
@@niklassilen4313 your hand shouldn't be getting sore what cziffra said to do was develop the ear. So what you want to do is play slow and concentrate on developing the ear and mastering the thumb. You want to get to the point where like volodos said you have an aural image and then you project that energy into your thumb and it moves the correct way and the thumb should have independent movement from the rest of the hand.
I'm practicing No. 12 right now and it really isn't that hard if you're looking at it on the surface. Yet, it is seducing you to become very solid in the way you're transposing all those hand positions up and down the keybord, which can actually kill your hands when playing it from beginning to end. You really have to make sure, just as in Opus 10, No. 1, that your hands remain very flexible and the intersection where the hands move over on the repeated notes between thumb and 5th finger becomes as organically flowing as possible.
I fully agree with your ranking. For my feeling 25/6 is really the most difficult one, which already my teacher said when I was 12 years old. I tried to play it, but of course I failed. I am now practicing it for my next home recital in November. (And I am happy with my progress.) The etude with the octaves is something written for me. I do not seem to have difficulties with it, surprising my piano teacher. (BTW I am 73 years old The exercise with the sixths is also interesting. I used to play it without many difficulties. My father told me that Rubinstein used to play it every morning as first peace. I don't know whether it is a true story. But I can believe that it is a good "mantra". I did not play all Chopin etudes. I am not a professional, not at all - I am a technician in electronics and IT. At my last home recital I was performing 25/1, knowing for the first time that it was called the Aeolian Harp. Thanks for your contrubutions and the best of luck for you. Where are you from, originally?
This video was as good as the first part ! After studying piano for several years althought for some years i didn't play , i'm planning to take one etude of those, i'm thinking about Op.10 # 11 or # 12 ! Again you made a great video !
Everyone has their own order of difficulty. I think no 11 is the hardest and no. 9 is EXTREMELY difficult at Chopin’s metronome marking. I never found 6 or 10 difficult, but strangely struggled with no 3 and 5.
About to finish op 10, 4 boy i learned alot
That one's my favorite warmup (after scales and other warmup of course), because it works both hands very well.
you should do rachmaninoff etude-tableaux op.39 no.6 for a 1min,10min,1hr challenge if you haven’t already done the piece, if not anything from rachmaninoff
Hello Annique, could you do a roadmap about musique to learn for a beginner, to learn techniques and all?
get a teacher. It's the best way
Fares Kouki This is a great idea! As someone who has never had access to a piano instructor because of cost and location, I would have loved to have some sort of guidance as to what is a good path to progressively improve.
A lot of people believe you can only learn if you can pay for it but I think it's awful how knowledge is heavily gatekept for the privileged. . . which is why I love Annique's channel.
@@maleahlock "heavily gatekept for the privileged." You can get a piano teacher for like £30 a lesson
You should try Rachmaninoff’s etudes tableux!
they are not really etudes tho
I ask you a question, have you ever found yourself with a piano that did not allow you to play well certain complicated works such as Chopin's etudes? Pianos that because of the type of mechanics seem to offer some kind of resistance to your hands and not because the keys are very heavy but because there is "something" in the instrument that makes you can not control what you are playing, even knowing that you master those works and that you know that on other pianos you can play them without any inconvenience. And if it ever happened to you, what do you do? do you cancel the concert? haha Sorry for being so long. Best regards from Argentina, Buenos Aires.
Brilliant lady. We want to see more of you. How about the Chopin Andante and Grande Polonaise please?
I loved the video and your wonderful humorous style. We can still laugh and smile through the difficulties. And difficulties are by the fistful. I've loved these pieces since I was 15 and I've heard every great artist tackle them. I love 10 #1, 25 #1, and 25 #11 the best but they are all gems in their own right. The only one I've played through is 25 #1 which isn't too bad but it's so beautiful. I'm still trying to get 10 #1 but it's slow going.
Horowitz rendition of 25 #1 on his final cd "The Last Recording" is sublime. Its his finest playing overall and he saved it for his last.
I can't wait to get yours.
I had been waiting for this video for a year😭
I’m learning double thirds right (op 25 no 6) and all I can say is that it’s painful. Despite the technical challenge, it’s very musically challenging as u mentioned. However, the technique itself is eventually just comes to your fingers.
Who is this charming and talented woman? I'm in love with her playing also 💙💙
Ohh, hey Annique! How are youu? I was meaning to ask, if you're planning on doing more challenges for the community, like the Polonaise one?
Ist ja ne ganz tolle Idee, sollte ich mir auch Mal überlegen sowas zu machen 😉
Thanks for the S++ on the 8th etude ! Henle Verlag classify it at 7, I never get it why… and btw, what criteria are they based on to establish the levels of difficulty?
La clasificación que das concuerda en general con mis capacidades
Yo pondría op 25 11 en la categoría más alta de dificultad. Bajaría en dificultad op 25 no12y 10.
Gracias por tu aporte y tendré tu canal en cuenta para mis estudios en piano
Next please Rachmaninoff Etudes 🙏 Really liked how you explained and classified the Chopin Etudes!
The Godowski 53 paraphrases on the 27 Chopin Etudes are not simply harder---they're orders of magnitude WAY beyond the original. ( think piano rocket science)
I play about 15 of them so far---its a very safe bet that as Artur Rubinstein once said" I'd never want to be on stage alone w a Godowski transciption!!"-- that 99.99% of ALL pianists---it's not really a possibility.
I discovered you a while back thanks to the Unravel sight reading challenge and since then I've come back every once in a while but never subbed and idk why cause this channel is really cool, not only does it give great insights into pieces it's also really comfy, so finally, I am subscribing here ! Also, I've been playing the piano for three years now but never touched classical music, what would you recommend as a first piece ? I was thinking of Liszt consolation 3 to work on expressiveness but I don't really know (currently working on one of Animenz arrangements)
Chopin opus 25 no.12 is a direct copy of Czerny's etude (also called Ocean etude)
Thx i wanted to see ur thoughts on aeolian harp im gonna practise it i only been playing piano for 4 years since i was 9
😃 I can't play the keys but I started flapping my arms like a chicken and doing that swaying movement. Ty I'll keep trying.
Technically I think 11 (Winter Wind) ranks at least as high as 6 (Thirds), while 8 (Sixths) is significantly easier than 6 for me.
In short, I think 6 and 11 are the most difficult by far. I've been playing 6 for 17 years on and off (since 2005) together with Liszt's Feux Follets. Both are devilishly hard to mature. I admire people who play them fluidly.
Now that you've got the scores of Liszt's Etudes d'execution Transcendante as a gift, please do Feux Follets, Vision, Eroica, Ricordanza, and Harmonies du Soir (my top favourite among the set) !
Agreed!
Definitely agree. I tried Nr6 for a few weeks and just gave up. I can't get even the first page (those first runs up) to make any kind of sense mechanically. Those thirds are absolutely brutal and my hand starts cramping in just a few seconds. I really need somebody to break down the technique for me down to the smallest detail. Can't figure it out on my own at all.
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1. First of all, acquire the piece in memory as soon as possible. Surprisingly it is A LOT easier to memorise than to perfect
2. Break down into sections, phrases . . . Experiment on, and then mark down and STICK FIRMLY to your favourite fingerings
3. SLOWLY PRACTISE each phrase/section
4. VERY SLOWLY PRACTISE each phrase/section
5. EXTREMELY SLOWLY PRACTISE each phrase/section, literally like CRAWLING. Perhaps at most two double-notes (thirds) per second.
6. Relax on each and every stroke
7. Go back to Step 3. 4 & 5 on passages that you find particularly tricky
8. Bear in mind that this piece WILL take YEARS to polish on.
9. Enjoy the practice sessions, and have fun!
@@peterchan6082 Thanks for all the good pointers! Yes, I think the key is to practice super slow and learn to relax the hand, teaching the brain that it's required. Luckily I have no issues memorizing pieces so that's a non-issue.
I don't agree at all, the winterwind can be played very comfortably with right tempo and movement
I’ve played and recorded the S++ etudes on my channel, hoping the rest would become easy. Wrong. 😔
This might be silly but can you make a video on ways to work toward playing without looking I feel this plays a big part with people who are trying to sight read more effectively!
Are you planning to join the next international Chopin competition?
ocean (the #12) at tempo is S++++ lol
everyone always plays it at like 85% speed. to be fair, it sounds amazing and dramatic when slowed down to that time. it's "supposed" to be @ 𝅗𝅥 = 80, though.
THANK YOU. Yes, I’m sick of everyone saying ocean etude is easy because “it’s just arpeggios bruh” when most of them can’t play it clean anywhere near the marked tempo without making tons of wrong notes
Great video!
25 2 Fminor is that as she says rytm against each other+that one seldom Come right much because of unexpected hardness(like Mozart) makes it hard but very known
Thanks annique? This is really helpful! I'm learning n 2 rn
I opened this video but paused it and went to do some stuff completely forgetting about it... When I came back and read the first half of the title I thoght "WHAT THE f**k WAS I WATCHING??!!" 😂😂
LMAOOOO😂💀💀
Ok so you’re telling me that you played your first Chopin etude when you were EIGHT YEARS OLD and at the same time that these etudes are some of the most difficult pieces in piano literature?!!
You don't win the number of awards she's won by collecting stamps 😉
Chopin's Op. 25 No. 8 is the most difficult etude; I play No. 6 without any issues, as well as Op. 10 No. 1 and No. 2. However, the sixths are a true hell for small hands.
Yo pondría el no 2 claramente más abajo. Con los demás estoy bastante de acuerdo!
Para mí el no 2 es bastante más fácil que el no 1. Por tanto lo pondría en B o incluso en C 😉
You talk about elbow motion a lot. I’ve never thought about my elbow motion, and thought, “this etude forces elbow movement? I don’t think so…” So I sat down and played it and realized, “oh I guess it does.” - the only piece I ever felt that forces a certain movement was Rach3, third movement, at the very beginning when the left hand makes jumps from chord to chord, and throws in that extra note accompanying the repeated notes. - and come to think of it, it’s difficult because you have to resist twisting your wrist (resisting unnecessary movement)
I disagree with no.12, I think is among the super hardest ones, alsoI think no.10 is easier than no.12. But I agree with the rest. Beautiful playing btw💗💗🎉
Bence teknik anlamda çok da zor bir eser değil genel zorluk olarak belki
Me too, I get shot down everytime I say how difficult it is lol. Lots of people play it wayyy slower than the marked tempo which makes it much easier
What is your opinion about Op 10 No 2 & Op 25 No 6, Which one are more difficult ?
Thanks for the education on Chopin. 😀😀😀😀
Will you be learning anymore etudes? I’d love to hear your rendition of the revolutionary etude!! ❤
She already played all of the etudes !
Unlike your op.10 list this list make sense 👍
nice rating. I love your new hair btw
Thank you 🤩
Thank you so much 😍 ich brauche echt einen Klavierlehrer! Ich liebe Klavierspielen, aber habe keine Ahnung von der richtigen Technik 😅
No 2 was my first too 😮
Anyway to get a list with both op 10 and op 25?
I've always known No 9 as the Black Keys study. Does it not concentrate on the black keys and is that not part of the exercise?
I loved #7, it's the one I had a serious attempt
I would do anything legal to be able to play Chopin's Opus 25 the way you can, especially numbers 10, 11 and 12.
Practice?
200 k subs on your chanel congratulate❤😁😊
I agree, I think your very right very much yes, uhhhuh…. Except for No.12, that one is just bs, no matter how much I practice it, it will not cooperate. :(
Me too, so many people say “it’s easy bruh, it’s just arpeggios” but they would probably make tons of wrong notes if they tried playing it anywhere near the marked tempo
Danke!
How did the exam go? (sorry if I missed it)
Chopin Nocturne op. 9 no. 2 = 1Min, 10Min, 1Hour challenge
Winter’s wind is definitely harder than the thirds etude. Either that, or I am not playing winter’s wind correctly- forearms get so tired.
Annique, is the Chopin 25, Op 5 Wrong note is not included?
When you said, "I need another light!" it reminded me of, "Get to the choppa!"
Number 10 - demonstration of the musician as athlete! Don't skimp on the endurance training!
Dubble third 25 6 got even Rachmaninoff played it superslow (etyd 10 2 ,2nd, is to recommended playing before
Oh i love the first one
Question: If you put fantaisie impromptu onto that Tier list, where would it fit? :)
Easy compared to any Étude.
No.11 should be between S and SS imo
Just saying my own opinion , if we compare Winter Wind to The Double Thirds etude it is easy. Yes it is hard but the technique is way easier than the Double Thirds or the op. 10 no.2 Double Thirds and Op. 10 no. 2 are just way harder. So Winter Wind is hard but not S++ maybe S.
i waited all video to see if any would be ranked C or lower so i could try one 🥺 where do i beginnn
probably op 25 no 1 or 2
Which etudes are the essentials for improving technique?
All of them
None of them
I would argue that the etudes of op 10 are more valuable and that op 25 was written to cover some more obscure techniques. I think op 10 no 1, 2, 4, 12 and op 25 no 1, and a casual intro to 6 give the most universal and practical value. I haven’t played them all though. But that’s the impression I’ve been given by a lot of people and it makes sense to me too.
That said, of all my piano friends, the one who always blows people away with his technique doesn’t believe in etudes. He likes just playing big pieces that are actually nice to play and learn technique from them instead. I’ve come to agree with him a lot. I would argue that everyone should learn Op 10 no 12 (I sucked when I played it lol and need to relook) op 10 no 1 and maybe another Etude of personally found necessity and then basically be done
Op 25 no 5 is still my favourite
Off-topic: The Seventh Etude is unique in that its main theme begins with a quotation from the Introduzione to the second act of Bellini's Norma.
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The No.6 is an unbelievable hardcore Etude 🤯🤯🤯
POV: I have a concert where I play that in 3 days 💀💀💀
@@pincepeditto3167id rather have myself dead than do that challenge XD
hey i am 23 years old and want to be a pianist but i am a beginner and chosen the wrong stream ..what should i do ? Should i leave my job and start as a beginner ...i want to become a professional pianist who fights big competetions i know it takes a lot of yeaers of practise and still is very hard but i want to do ..is there any way for me now??
Never give up you got this
hello !!❤️
If CHOPIN RUBINSTEIN HAD LIVED TODAY,THIS ONES WOULD SER THAT BOTH NOWADYS HARDNESS,TEMPO IS SO MUCH MORE THAN CHOPIN ETYDS
What a fun video 😁
Is there a chance of the second part of the memorization video being posted?
Nr7 ='sing inside like Rubinstein it lay so
Good,octavaetyd finds very Quick as man,obviously she has another approach,it is really okej individual opinionfeeling it is all that it is about we are so denied in KICKINGSCHOOL, /kick/family.Even Rubinstein knew this.nr4 l sometimes leave left hand,play right
Nr 12 sometimes easy sometimes hard
Damn I’d like to buy a piano again
Youre telling me you played a Chopin etude when you were 8😮
I think you're better placed than 99% of your viewers to rank Chopin's etudes 😂😂😂
Yes.
Anyway, every pianist has its own hand, natural capacities and technique, so that kind of ranking is obviously always specific to a pianist.
"No 2 is easy" someone told me. Shit harder than wrong note
nnot really. It is the easiest etude IMO. Still, they are all extremely diffficult
Interesting title
erst jz gechckt das du deutsch bist hatte davor aber gedacht wegen deinem akzent
Hallo ich finde dass sie eine gute Pianisten sind und 👍
DID SHE JUST SAY SHE PLAYED A CHOPIN ETUDE AT THE AGE OF 8? OR DID I NOT HEAR CORRECTLY?
I played it at 9🎉😂😂😂