1819 Hall breechloading flintlock POV firing
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- Original Model 1819 Hall flintlock rifle made at Harpers Ferry in 1838. This rifle is .54 caliber and retains a surprising amount of original finish, suggesting it was probably never issued.
These rifles were the first real wide-scale adoption of breech loaders. In testing, they were both faster to load than the standard US muskets, and more accurate than the standard US rifles. They are also notable for being the first instance of true machine-made interchangeable parts.
Howdy friends, as far as I know this is the first footage of a flintlock Hall being fired. I had to load it slightly incorrectly because I couldn't get the balls to seat with a patch. Historically, they would've stuffed the whole thing in there like I did with the Springfield 1816.
UPDATE: capandball apparently just got his hands on one as well. Go see his video for a more proper loading procedure:
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The gun is a good idea but move the flint lock abit to the right so u can see and add a small ram rod for it,other then that this would be a greater idea for a gun
@@deathcon_oneThey must’ve never found that an issue because even up to the percussion halls that was never done
I was thinking exactly that, thank you for the explanation.
Well that's very cool, congrats on the achievement and thanks for the footage man!
You've outdone yourself. Thanks.
What a significant improvment in firearms technology. You no longer had to deal with the whole lenghth of the barrel to charge the weapon. You could also reload the gun while in prone position, staying less exposed to the enemy fire. Cool stuff.
you can also reload a flintlokc while prone???? its difficult, but its possible
@ As a cool content for online posting? Absolutely. As a practical prescribed combat application of the weapon? Not a chance.
@@MeshFrequencyi mean, i'm not saying its practical in combat, or was done, but its at least possible. i've seen some people think that its LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to reload a muzzleloader while prone because... reasons?
@ Impractical is probably a better word. Everything falling down the barrel assisted by gravity helps.
@@MeshFrequency"as a practical combat application of the weapon? not a chance!" but there are... in fact, a practical combat application of prone firing & reloading with muzzleloader weapons.. the easiest one to look up was on yt britishmuzzleloader he demonstrated it. there are many instances where such position would be needed especially among skirmishing units despite impracticallity of the weapon (by modern standards)
It must be difficult firing an original hall without your arm and leg.
real
@@TenaciousTrilobite I see that ignition is pretty quick. I was told to not fill the touchhole with powder or else you will get a "fuze effect" and have slower ignition, but I can see here it doesn't matter. I just wish these Hall flintlocks cam or pushed the breech forward like in the Kammerlader rifles for a better seal. Thanks for the POV.
@@user-uy1rg8td1v The Hall is historically significant and was a big leap, but the gas seal is lacking. The old 1830s and 40s percussion variants were being ditched by the Civil War, given how outdated the design and poor the gas seal was. (Not to mention the guns being used were also two to three decades old)
What an absolutely beautiful rifle. For me, this is what gun collecting is all about. The mechanics, the history and the simplicity.
I was under the impression that it was just another gimmick of the pre-catridge era, but it seems sturdy and fast actually. Great show.
Yes, I have wanted to see a video of this giring for so long. Insanely innovative rifle for it's time.
The gun that began interchangeable parts!
Always love to see flintlocks on your channel!
Flintlock muskets were amazing,imagine if we brought a modernized rifle back to year 1819...
Hell, imagine if we brought a WW1 era rifle back to the year 1819…
Imagine the pain of trying to machine those parts...
you need to brought the modernized production technology to really revolutionized anything. they would be amazed by a future rifle but not much would change if you can't produce it.
It’s not the hardware itself that would change stuff.. what would really shake things is the idea, the mechanism and the components inside
An AK by itself would impress anybody looking at it then, but give it to an engineer and have them try to understand it so the principals of how the magazine can hold 30 rounds, how it can handily switch between firing full auto and semi auto, how it cycles, can be used to develop other firearms. Now that changes things
THIS was state of the art back in 1819. They developed self contained cartridges shortly after this. They knew firearms were advancing.
Not many people know this but Daryl Hall, part of the duo Hall & Oats is the descendent of the Hall who made the Hall Flintlock, and was the inspiration for the song Out of Touch due to the breechloading method of the Hall
Me when I lie
Wait, you're telling me it's hall and oats, not Holland oats?
@@Iheartlolapenniburg no Im pretty sure it’s me when I lie
We do a little spreading of misinformation
@@thegreatrobin2329 I only spread disinformation. You can tell misinformation from disinformation because of the way it is.
These transitional steps between different eras of innovation and practice are so fascinating to me. Necessity being the mother to gorgeous engineering.
What a gorgeous piece. I've been fascinated by the Hall ever since Ian first covered it on Forgotten Weapons. Truly a marvel of it's time. I wish I had one!
Woaw, never seen a system like that, it is genius. Thanks to show us this piece of engineering
When troops stationed along the Mexican border would go drinking in the cantinas while off duty, they would remove the breechblock from their Hall rifles and carry it in their pocket as a pistol.
Makes for a good knuckle duster too
Is this where the people got the idea to turn glocks into full-on rifles from?
@ST0AT
I doubt those people had any idea about the Hall rifle.
@@ST0AT W've had stock and barrel attachments since at least the 19th century.
that has to be the coolest mechanism i have seen in a flintlock weapon
Man those are rare as hell. I wish though you gonna have "Crespi" flintlock next, or it's english variant "Durs Egg".
Very intresting to see the reload and firing on this one, noted the scorch on your hand.
Yeah, it doesn’t have a true gas seal between the breech and barrel, so it vents gas upward and through slots in the sides of the stock when it fires.
@@TenaciousTrilobite Internet told me that would take your hand clear off
@RefreshingDietDrPepper On some guns it actually can destroy your hand or forearm.
Some guns just spray a bit of hot powder harmlessly, others can burn you, and some can very seriously maim you.
It’s best to treat any old gun without a proper gas seal as one that will maim you unless you know with certainty that it won’t.
To prevent the gas from escaping from the chamber, there should be a locking cylinder in the breach in which, after loading it, the user pushes the locking cylinder forward, connecting the violation with the barrel to prevent leaks. The lever could also be used as sight as well. But the diameter of the cylinder must match the round, so that's one obstacle Hall needed to overcome.
@@PatrioticKoreanAmerican in general you don't want moving parts used as sights
One of my favourite flintlock rifles, just blackpowder and ball, no ramrods.
Saw you posted this on gunboards, very cool that you were able to aquire and shoot such an awesome rifle
Love it! Your rifle is 1 year older then mine! :)
Wow cool seeing mr. Capandball here
Thank you Sir, for showing us your beautiful Hall Flintlock. The close up views while loading are great also.....Doc
Finally got to see a breech loaded musket in action. Awesome video man
Extremely cool! A bunch of these are on display at Harpers Ferry and I’ve always wanted to see this fired.
Very interesting rifle, I’ve never seen one before. Thanks for showing!😎🤘
The good thing with this riffle is that it gives you a lot of time to calm down!
I enjoy that once upon a time in history, teeth were an essential part of loading rifles
My Hall is a percussion carbine that was rifled and sold back to the US Government for an exuberant amount. It saw action at Prairie Grove. Its really neat.
Absolutely amazing! Keep up the great work! 👍
What a beautiful gun, if only the potential of it was seen
Yeah just move the flint lock to the right abit so u can see and add a small ramrod for the breech and yeah problem solved
Id say the potential was seen. These things saw a large adoption from the US military but were cost prohibitive and weren’t *that* much faster than a musket. If I remember right the halls aren’t rifled which was a huge waste
The cavalry carbines weren't rifled. The long rifles were.
They were still making and issuing these well into the percussion era.
The main problem was( like early repeaters in the Civil War, which the Hall also served in) was they were expensive specialty weapons for a small branch of an already very small army.
It just wasn't worth it for wide issue when it's advantages don't really apply to the standard infantry tactics of the era.
The potential is seen, the biggest problem with new tech like these is that economic considerations will always determine which system gets chosen and continued. Say what you will about the US Ordnance (most of the accusations are true anyway) but their conservative decisions were always made with the context of their fragile logistics and the small size of their forces. For a majority of its history, the US military is modestly funded hence they don't have enough money to go around buying fancy (and pricey) systems like the Hall rifle when the "adequate" but cheaper options are there...
Beautiful weapon! Thanks for the epic footage!
There is a famous picture from the Mexican War in which an American sailor removed the Hall breech mechanism and used it as a handgun in a showdown in a Mexican bar.I am sure it must been a light load.
For 1819 the engineering in this gun is insane.
Absolutely freaking beautiful!!!
I am certain this is a extremely valuable antique you got there
Да.
Это целая эпоха.
Сейчас, на момент 2024 года, сложно себе представить ситуации, где люди стреляли из вот такого ружья. Столько действий нужно произвести ради одного выстрела. Однако, мне очень нравится это ружье. Я был бы счастлив из него пострелять. Оно передаёт дух той самой эпохи. И конечно, невероятный запах пороха)))
Now that's certifiably neat!
Interesting old weapon. Thank you for the video.
Great footage, as always!
Some of these seized from stockpiled in the US arsenal at Fayetteville NC were converted to percussion, shortened to carbine length, and issued to NC cavalry early in the Civil War.
The bite was so accurate
It's pretty great being able to see this on screen. Literally firing a 185 yr old flintlock is incredible.
Does the breech fireball hurt your hand at all?
No, I didn’t feel it even though it sprayed the heel of my left hand a bit. It doesn’t seem like the stuff that vents through the sides in dangerous. The gas that sprays straight up through the gap probably is
Omg!! a flintlock retro-loading rifle!!
Вот такую систему заряжания оружия я еще не видел! Спасибо, браво!
This is so weird and cool. Thanks for sharing
When you fine one of these gems it’s quite the hall.
This is absolutely incredible! I've already watched it five times. I'm really curious to see how it compares to a muzzle loader.
I wonder, how many rounds do you think you could fire in a minute at maximum speed?
Additionally, does the cycle of operations significantly slow down due to fouling from continuous firing?
I need this for my Harpers Ferry Collection
Unsure how fast I could do it because I haven’t fired it much, and I don’t intend to fire it much more. Would probably need to refer to original documentation. It’s very resistant to fouling buildup by nature, so it’s less detrimental to loading speed over time than with other rifles of the era
@@TenaciousTrilobite Thanks for the timely response!
Beautiful piece you have. I’m loving the flintlock/black powder stuff you’re posting. Feeds my soul.
Trials data says Hall users got an average of 3.152631579 rounds per minute during sustained fire, compared to 2.223684211 for smoothbore and 1.3 for pre-Minié rifle.
The Hall, tended to have a gas leak problem, where the Chamber clicked down inline with the barrel. The solution at the time. Was a leather gasket, well greased. Yes, it was faster to reload, but cost more to build and took more time. That is why only a few where made.
Какой шедевральный затвор для того времени. Блеск !
Beautiful.
The 1819 hall breechloading flintlock was a type of rifle that could be loaded from the back, instead of from the front like most guns at the time. It was designed by John Hancock Hall, who patented his invention in 1811. It was adopted by the U.S. Army in 1819, and was the first breech-loading rifle to be used by any nation’s army in large numbers. It had a flintlock mechanism that ignited the gunpowder by striking a piece of flint against steel, but some models were later converted to use percussion caps instead. The rifle had a barrel that could be tilted up to expose the chamber, where the bullet and powder were inserted. This made it faster and easier to reload than a muzzle-loading rifle, which required ramming the bullet and powder down the barrel with a rod. The 1819 hall breechloading flintlock rifle was used in various wars and conflicts, such as the Indian Wars, the Mexican-American War, the American Civil War, and the Argentine Civil Wars. It was also the first firearm to employ the concept of interchangeable parts, which was a major innovation for the American Industrial Revolution.
Thanks ChatGPT
it's ain't Chat GPT
Wow. A pain to load, and filled with hazards. For instance - can the primer pan get hot enough that it ignites the primer prematurely? What do you do if you have a ball that is the wrong size or shape - could it have problems traveling down the barrel and lead to a dangerous mishap? Fun to watch this in operation, though. The men who used these to go trapping in the back country were adventurous indeed.
Nah, it’s not that dangerous. For the pan to get that hot, it would burn you when you opened it and the powder in the chamber would ignite as you poured it in. Not a problem I have ever heard happening historically or today. If the ball is oversized, it won’t be able to seat far enough into the chamber to let you close the breech block
Between you and Capandball I'm gonna be in trouble financially.
That's fucking badass
Interestingly enough this was actually double the fire rate of a normal flint lock musket, and the first breech loaded rifle was made in 1777, by the British, it was also rifled which was extremely expensive before the industrial revolution
Breechloading designs go back to at least the 1500s. The Tower of London has one in their collection that was owned by Henry VIII. The Brits were the first to deploy one in a military context, although it was a very limited number and they were taken out of service after a single battle. The first true successful implementation was the Hall
This is one of the coolest designs ive ever seen, i wonder why it wasnt more widley used or even fielded by armys as ive never seen it.
It was fielded fairly widely by the US Army. It was relatively expensive to make and had some durability issues over time, so it was generally only given to more specialized units rather than line infantry. It also used some cutting edge manufacturing techniques that not every country was quite capable of yet. It’s arguably the first thing ever made with modern machine-made interchangeable parts
It's very cute 😮
I like how you can load this both ways, through the muzzle or the breach
Talk about a dream gun! 🤩
I heard they ended up phasing these out because of repeated instances of people getting "hall-thumb" with the breech slamming closed while loading the ball.
They would actually bounce spare breech blocks off their helmets so the enemy would think they were reloading and pop their head out
Question
Out of all the historical guns that you have, what are the ones that you don’t have and also really want to own someday?
This is a question I would love to answer, but I will not. Many of the things I’m search for are obscure and have relatively few people looking for them. Announcing that I’m in the market would increase competition
Never seen this before,very interesting.
Always fascinated me
Daum thats a good musket. Feel like there's less delay between trigger pull and firing than most muskets
This must’ve been revolutionary during its time, I wonder why it wasn’t more adopted by the military.
Expensive and difficult to maintain in the field
Another baller vid 👍
Beautiful and unusual rifle 🙂
How come they weren’t a thing and armies switched from muzzle loaded muskets right to 1 bullet bolt action riffles like german Dreise riffle?
Money. The US made tens of thousands of these, but they were just too expensive to fully replace all the muskets
I only now noticed a cut-out on hall's frizzen. I guess it is for better grip when pulling it back. Does it help in any way during reaload or it is just a gimmick ?
It helps a little. Not a necessary addition, though
That's a nice gun
Very clever for the time
I am amazed by this gun but I have so many questions about this gun.
Wonderfull gun . Very nice 👌👌👌
This is so cool
Hall Yeah, Brother
Remember, switching to your flintlock pistol is always faster then reloading.
Wow😮 very nice
Спасибо за видео. Увидел у вас много необычного оружия в действие.
At the front : yelling wait wait don't move please I am reloading. 15 minutes later Iam ready.
Interesting idea.
A marvelous example. Quite a fine piece. This exhibit however shows why it was not worth the extra machining for massed line infantry troops for decades. There's merit for mounted and naval troops though.
It took 2 minutes here to load and fire 3 times. If you had the right rolled cartridge to insert the whole thing (you mention that in your description) after priming then you are still not likely to best 15 to 20 seconds a load.
The simplier traditional musket can be made at a rate of 10 to one in this era compared to a breach loader with all the precise breach kit...so arming larger and larger armies in the 19th century would have been impossible till after the 1850s or 60s....and the fire rate is similar.
Only after the development of improved brass cartridges with ignition,powder, ball and thimble all on one consistent product.
Your cost angle is the real reason. In historical testing with practiced hands, the Hall was both faster to load than the musket and more accurate than the rifle. Reliability and maintenance in the field was the other killer.
1:08 Bang!!
Cool, cool firearms. Wonder if loading during rain/wind was an issue
Likely
Yes, even very high humidity could be a problem (damp powder residue wouldn’t burn when the gun was fired and that gunk would build up until it clogged the touchhole. This is one of the biggest reasons why percussion caps replaced flintlocks so quickly). More than one battle in those days was ended by a surprise storm.
Interesting. Necer heard or seen this one before. Almost looks like something you might find in assassins creed.
Neat. Always surprised by how big the priming charge is.
It’s possible I’m overdoing it. I don’t have a lot of flintlock experience
@@TenaciousTrilobite nor do I
How this rifle wasn't adopted is beyond me.
It was. They made over 30,000 total of the various models. It just didn’t replace the smoothbore musket for general issue to line troops
A very cool gun
Molto bello, è incredibile.
Its kinda crazy how muskets like this and like the kalthoff repeat never really took off
Expensive
Nice.
Nice, but where Ak video?
Needs to be in "Guts And BlackPowder".
this system is beyond my imagination,😮😮😮😮😮❤❤
TOP G
I know it will never happen, but it would be so cool if someone made affordable reproductions of these. Or heck, if a modern muzzleloader company introduced a breech loading flintlock.
Rifle Shoppe theoretically makes kits, although they’re all rough castings you have to finish yourself, and I hear their lead times tend to be pretty long
That is pretty cool😊
Why it hadn't been fully adopted confuses thefuck out of me.
Too expensive
These don't seem to kick much? Is it because of weight or do you use lighter loads?
Both. I backed off the loads about 30% since it’s 185 years old
@@TenaciousTrilobite Still, despite a rather significant reduction in load, it doesn't kick all that much
...wonder if there were problems with rapid fire - poring powder into the chamber with sparks still inside...???
Smart design, don't have to load from the barrel.
Looking at it, it does offer a somewhat working solution of trying to load this thing in any position other than standing up due to the length of the gun. But the primitive state of precision machining and the inherent complexity of machining such parts meant that while it will not provide a perfect obturation (something that wouldn't be accomplished until the 1850's with self-contained cartridges) it is expensive compared to a regular muzzle-loadijg musket...
Great. Now I know how to animate my hall rifle for my roblox gun pack.