Mani Ratnam on Music, Raja, Rahman

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  • @balajim9579
    @balajim9579 6 років тому +92

    He is the oly man in Indian film diaspora fit to talk about IR and AR..

  • @pearlmaharajan
    @pearlmaharajan 6 років тому +91

    Two different legends, two different methodologies, two different approach and two different experience of music... one common man, Mani Ratnam!

    • @nehapappu5059
      @nehapappu5059 2 роки тому +1

      In IT lingo - One Waterfall model the other Iterative model!!

  • @breezean
    @breezean 2 роки тому +3

    The only film director who is really outspoken and to the technicality.
    Raja sir is the musical treasure and it just flows like a river and only few in Indian cinema have tasted a handful of water, yet we can see the river is flowing through his speeches

  • @tilluize
    @tilluize 6 років тому +92

    For Ilayaraja he never dose music.. instead music happens to him.. he's the only living legend who writes the music. He's appreciated by those people who are instrumental players. His Chords, bass notations, strings are unimaginable. Rahman sir.. nobody can use technology like him in the music.

    • @indrajeetjadhav8916
      @indrajeetjadhav8916 4 роки тому +1

      Well said brother.👍

    • @Salmanfaris-hl5qu
      @Salmanfaris-hl5qu 4 роки тому +4

      A r rahman praise ilayaraja but ilayaraja never praise ar rahman...thats the diffrence between ilayaraja and a r rahman☺
      Sooory bro ..thats ar rahman legend mind..

    • @Novanova-bo6fu
      @Novanova-bo6fu 3 роки тому +3

      @@Salmanfaris-hl5qu He is his teacher..his guru..he doesn't need to praise him on stage..that comes across as fake

    • @ridgewoodindie3563
      @ridgewoodindie3563 3 роки тому +1

      @@Salmanfaris-hl5qu Ilaiyaraaja is senior to Rahman. He isn’t obligated to praise Rahman

    • @SHAFQATmusicZone
      @SHAFQATmusicZone 3 роки тому +1

      So you are saying ARR is more of a technician than a composer??

  • @abdulmuhithsyed1787
    @abdulmuhithsyed1787 4 роки тому +32

    As much as i have been able to understand about musical styles of ilayaraja and a r rahman, i have realized that the key difference is in their interpretation or approach to music.
    Ilayaraja's interpretation and approach comes from a world of western classical fused with tamil folk with a blend of naushad, msv and other stalwarts and he wont let himself abandon that realm ever. He is to this day, an unmatched genius in that world.
    Rahman's interpretation shifts with different albums and films.
    He can pull pieces of great music from different genres as the theme of the film or situation in the film demands.
    He wont stick to western classical alone. He tries to break convention with every song or music piece.
    So, i think ilayaraja in the world of western classical music is in league with mozarts bachs and beethovens and that shows in his mastery of bgms
    But rahman is someone who has broadened the horizon of possibilities with his maverick style.
    Rahman is thus a better option for music directors as he brings more to the table in terms of novelty. He will not stand obstinate over getting approved his musical composition against the will of the director. He knows he has other places and ways to interpret or approach it from.
    So, ilayaraja suits more to the process of musicmaking and composing as beethoven or mozart: unrestrained by film situations or scripts after a period of time. It suits him more to just compose without having to worry about other ways music can be approached from.
    Rahman is purely a film composer who will re design an emotion by approaching its musical expression from different angles and possibilities.
    Yet both have been masters in their own ways.

    • @shansenani
      @shansenani Рік тому +1

      You can't compare anyone with Beethoven or Mozart.. they are the base of all music you hear today.. raja sir learned from their work mainly he followed Bach.. raja sir is in the level with john williams, ennio etc.. ar rahman is not up to that level..

  • @sanakavam2272
    @sanakavam2272 5 років тому +26

    One thing is clear once again.
    As explained by Mani and well known around - with Raja the music flows when he turns the switch in his mind to compose - song goes out of the studio - output is NATURAL. Most of the times it turned out to be the perfect music for the film and resulted in mostly hits. With Rahman, in one word if we were to put it - output is MANUFACTURED. Depending upon how well it is manufactured can it result into beautiful. In my understanding, Mani-Rahman didn't produce as many hits as Mani-Raja combination from music and film perspective.
    Goes without saying we are always amazed by the NATURAL things and NATURAL is most beautiful as compared to MANUFACTURED. Usually we more appreciate NATURAL things when people mature with age.

  • @versap9198
    @versap9198 3 роки тому +5

    இசைஞானியை ஒப்பீட்டில் வைத்து இசை விரும்பிகளை ஏமாற்ற எண்ணுகிறார்கள் என்றே தோன்றுகிறது. Raja is a true legend.
    Raja sir's musics are everlasting.
    others will fade away.

    • @abdulmalik752
      @abdulmalik752 2 роки тому +1

      Rahman is never lesser than Ilayaraja

  • @MeeMawSh
    @MeeMawSh 6 років тому +23

    I learn different dimension of musical usage in a movie today!! Mani sir legendary for a reason

  • @hariharanshiva7516
    @hariharanshiva7516 4 роки тому +19

    Excellent interview from a good movie director sharing his working experiences with IR and ARR. IR's music knowledge and skills are endurable and he is the music encyclopedia. The only MD who has composed variety of music genres. He is the "SHIFU" of indian music. ARR is arguably the finest music programmer and sound engineer. ARR had worked with H.Sridhar known for his prowess on high quality audio recordings. Both of them worked in state of art music recording studio which was a masterpiece. IR and ARR comparison is not apple to apple. Lets appreciate both of them. Both are India's pride.

    • @Salmanfaris-hl5qu
      @Salmanfaris-hl5qu 4 роки тому +1

      A r rahman praise ilayaraja but ilayaraja never praise ar rahman...thats the diffrence between ilayaraja and a r rahman☺
      Sooory bro ..thats ar rahman legend mind..

    • @openmindipl8816
      @openmindipl8816 3 роки тому +1

      @@Salmanfaris-hl5qu
      Ur name tells your attitude..Sorry to say this..that is true..
      When ARR got Oscar Ilayaraja praise him..
      Even Though Praising is not the talent..Here u need to compare the talent..Not their behaviours..

    • @Salmanfaris-hl5qu
      @Salmanfaris-hl5qu 3 роки тому

      @@openmindipl8816
      Ilayaraja never praise rahman.
      When media asked about rahman that time ilayaraja replay too bad.pls search youtube

    • @openmindipl8816
      @openmindipl8816 3 роки тому

      @@Salmanfaris-hl5qu
      What is the issue with you..Why he need to praise..
      If he praise means, you accept he is top most musician??

    • @Salmanfaris-hl5qu
      @Salmanfaris-hl5qu 3 роки тому

      @@openmindipl8816
      U support only ilaya raja. Ar rahman mind is legend mind. He never hatred others.

  • @eversunnyguy
    @eversunnyguy 3 роки тому +6

    Also credit goes to Mani Sir. His scenes got the best of these 2 legends....Especially Ilaiyaraja gets inspired a lot from the scene of the film. One example is this - IR has special affinity for Vamsi (ladies Tailor etc) mainly for Vamsi's taking....

  • @jaganathanjaganathan1399
    @jaganathanjaganathan1399 5 років тому +90

    Dear genius
    Don't compare IR with ARR Bcoz two different styles of musicians. ARR is indians pride. IR is music's pride.

    • @orches1265
      @orches1265 5 років тому +11

      Rehaman is global musical god

    • @AbdulBasith2304
      @AbdulBasith2304 5 років тому +8

      Music's pride ah? Did music said it? IR fans are emotional fools. ARR is an international icon. IR can't make modern music. Out of trend long time ago. Shame!

    • @ganapathybabu
      @ganapathybabu 5 років тому +16

      Ilayaraja is great, what he does is for the people and place where he is and not just for more money or opportunities.Some people say he is not international , he is the prolific composer, composed symphony in 13 days. Listening Maestro's music is becoming heritage for tamil people. My dad listened, iam listening, my son also will listen. That is music. Folk, classical, western classical, Gana, Carnatic different types of music where he creates different types of music. No need to tell about his BGM even John Williams should learn BGM from Raja. He is beyond technology or Oscars and always have a new benchmark. More natural musician. IR is not only a composer, he is also a creator and scientist. Instead we go to western countries iam sure his music will, he bring and in future others will research his music. Here Iam not against other musicians even I love Rahman, Yuvan, Imman, but IR music is something special - SurendraBabu

    • @naveenbuddy
      @naveenbuddy 5 років тому +2

      Roghtly said ilayaraja was half the way by the time rehaman start his first movie how this person be compared an oscar does not make it ultimatem

    • @indianeinstein1978
      @indianeinstein1978 5 років тому +1

      @@orches1265
      what ??? !! shut up you dont know a thing abt music and just glorifying your person !!! do u know what is raaga, how many raagas ??!!

  • @naveenbuddy
    @naveenbuddy 5 років тому +8

    Mani explanation of ilayraja shows how infinite he is been in thinking of music he shows the soul when he touches the cord

  • @chipsnsauce
    @chipsnsauce 5 років тому +13

    To all fans out there, why would you want to compare IR and ARR? It's known fact that both are genius. Take pride that we have had these gems in our land. Even if you do not tend to like music of one, please have some courtesy to respect and acknowledge their genius.

    • @Salmanfaris-hl5qu
      @Salmanfaris-hl5qu 4 роки тому +1

      A r rahman praise ilayaraja but ilayaraja never praise ar rahman...thats the diffrence between ilayaraja and a r rahman☺
      Sooory bro ..thats ar rahman legend mind..

    • @AK-mf9ho
      @AK-mf9ho 3 роки тому +1

      @@Salmanfaris-hl5qu Is it a compulsion to praise someone? Why can't people just be what they are? Who are you to judge them? Listen to the music you like and move on..

  • @vijaykumar-ur2wu
    @vijaykumar-ur2wu 3 роки тому +7

    Mani Ratnam worked closely with AR and IR .....He is the correct person to judge. He reveled that "ILAYARAAJA IS THE KING OF MUSIC"

  • @narasimhanr6633
    @narasimhanr6633 2 роки тому +4

    But finally I would like to say IR is the king of BGM....no body can come near him...my opinion though

    • @lancedsouza1547
      @lancedsouza1547 4 місяці тому

      As a late 80’s kid (big ARR fan) found Raja’s music later… 100% agree. Raja is a master of scoring aptly without any imprecision. His music elevates the graph of the scene without being prescriptive.

  • @GreyBlackD
    @GreyBlackD 5 років тому +11

    Mani's speech shows who is the boss in music director.

  • @dhanushdhanapal5146
    @dhanushdhanapal5146 4 роки тому +3

    Great excellent maestro

  • @sunilkumarganesh
    @sunilkumarganesh 6 років тому +7

    Isn't this an older interview? Always glad to hear Mani sir's thoughts.

  • @shivamurugan6993
    @shivamurugan6993 4 роки тому +3

    Definitely you should ask about sathyajithray to Mani sir, I know that he has huge respect on him, I just wanted to know how the love his movies and techniques.

  • @B1it3krieg
    @B1it3krieg 3 роки тому +2

    I'm reading this book!

  • @supersmart671
    @supersmart671 3 роки тому +2

    This guy is a genius...

  • @indianeinstein1978
    @indianeinstein1978 5 років тому +7

    hi guyz, plz try to understand the ppl also technically not just emotionaly !! ilayaraaja is like a mathematician ramanujam, a person who dedicated his vital energy to a subtle deity-form of a partcular artform or subject in their previous life. as a result the art expresses itself effortlessly like a "thaila dhaaraa" means flow of oil without break from his mind in the current life. this is in ancient times is called Tantric system of vital force or Life force investment.

    • @adhityas348
      @adhityas348 4 роки тому

      Chef Tronomics what was your experience with him like?

  • @SaraV143
    @SaraV143 3 роки тому +3

    The three" R"s are ruling Tamil cini industry...MR & IR & AR
    Mani Ratnam ,IllayaRaja, ARRahman.

  • @jharissh9535
    @jharissh9535 Рік тому +1

    Sir, Please joining next movie Raja Pls.......

  • @vasukivasppa2382
    @vasukivasppa2382 5 років тому +16

    Two years taken for composition of music for single movie. But Raja sir done numerous marvelous job and make all the songs hit. Don't compare the born genius with others.

    • @Salmanfaris-hl5qu
      @Salmanfaris-hl5qu 4 роки тому +5

      A r rahman praise ilayaraja but ilayaraja never praise ar rahman...thats the diffrence between ilayaraja and a r rahman☺
      Sooory bro ..thats ar rahman legend mind..

    • @Salmanfaris-hl5qu
      @Salmanfaris-hl5qu 3 роки тому

      @@sesha-d5b
      I never degrade hindhus

    • @ahamedmishalja7369
      @ahamedmishalja7369 3 роки тому +1

      Rahman has composed in various genres... Rahman has adapted to the time he started till now, he gave so many layers of variations...whatever songs he has composed it has some significance.. Yes Raja is a genius and I really respect him, Why can't you guys praise both.. Be proud we have such a gem of composers where other industries in India lack

  • @smartsiva8372
    @smartsiva8372 4 роки тому +4

    GOD OF MUSIC MAESTRO ILLAIYARAJA

  • @subbuk19
    @subbuk19 4 роки тому +1

    Great questions and discussion!

  • @faisalfaisal.c5980
    @faisalfaisal.c5980 4 роки тому +2

    Mani sir super

  • @madhusudhanraomamidala9515
    @madhusudhanraomamidala9515 3 роки тому

    Mani ratnam Sar how to learn not an easy good respectful manirathnam respect bull family like so much how many World wise listen ing enjoying people they don't no some people fentastick songs Superb

  • @varunprakash6207
    @varunprakash6207 6 років тому +3

    #Manirantam Movie the variety of music 🎶 themes are shown to the characters and as well as to the story #Illayaraja #ARRahaman are pisaco of it to his movie where music and visual +Dialogue tells the story normally From #PagalNilavuTo#ChekkaChivanthaVanam 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @umeshronaldo6333
    @umeshronaldo6333 4 роки тому

    Mani Ratnam director super 😍😘😍😘😍😘

  • @komalkumar9073
    @komalkumar9073 3 роки тому +3

    Ilayaraja genius
    Missing Of Ilayaraja Music Mani Ratnam

  • @anbuarun7536
    @anbuarun7536 3 роки тому +8

    IR is like Sachin
    ARR is like Dhoni..
    Both are best in their own style

    • @raghuls1515
      @raghuls1515 3 роки тому +4

      Ir is greater than Sachin and AR Rahman is greater than dhoni..... cricket is just a game in sports world ...but music itself a world

    • @anbuarun7536
      @anbuarun7536 3 роки тому +1

      @@raghuls1515 Completely agreed...

    • @moorthymmm7013
      @moorthymmm7013 3 роки тому +1

      @@raghuls1515 ya correct

  • @MohammedWasimKK
    @MohammedWasimKK 6 років тому +3

    wow..!

  • @infinixht2172
    @infinixht2172 4 роки тому +10

    Mani ratnam's earlier films were low budget films & become blockbuster becoz of Ilayaraaja sir's BGM & Songs, the same cannot b said abt mani-ARR combinations expect few films..
    Who wil forget the wonderful Songs, particularly BGM of Mouna Ragam, Nayagan, Gitanjali, Anjali, Dalapati, etc..

  • @kadavulerukkakumaru6326
    @kadavulerukkakumaru6326 Рік тому +1

    Raja music gold
    Rahman music silver

  • @murugavelselvaraj4230
    @murugavelselvaraj4230 2 роки тому +1

    AR not forget the thanks till date given chance by mani in cinema. But mani forget thanks regarding ilayaraaja given chance to mani. Mani ask ilayaraaja for done music for first film. Ilayaraja accept

  • @karthicktech
    @karthicktech 6 років тому +6

    4:00

  • @muruganc2370
    @muruganc2370 3 роки тому +2

    Illayaraja sir ஸ்டூடியோ உள்ள போயிட்டா வெளிய வரும் போது பாட்டோட வரலாம். அது தான் இல்லயராஜா.

  • @shashi10ka
    @shashi10ka 6 років тому +6

    Why did mani sir and raja sir breakup

    • @pearlmaharajan
      @pearlmaharajan 6 років тому +18

      both are egoistic. Raja's ego is the same everywhere, in person or in front of camera or on stage.. it is the same. But MR is egoistic inside. Not infront of media. They had difference in opinions, where MR expected the freeness in working, that he is talking about ARR kind of approach. And it was the period of every director stood in alliance and left IR one after another. Two reasons kept as defence, 1. egoistic approach 2. reluctant to changes/upgrades in composition. Unlike Bharathi Raja-IR, Balachander-IR, Mani and IR broke in a gentle manner. There is no big chaos at all. They both respect each other and split in calm. That's how two master of art split in difference of opinion

    • @BC999
      @BC999 6 років тому +24

      Maha Rajan, the so-called "2 reasons" for defense is a MYTH started AFTER KB messed up with the BGM of PPA..... and their eventual break-up. IR REFUSED to work with KB after KB's unprofessional attitude. ADOOR Gopalakrishnan, Faazil, Balu Mahendra, Mahendran, recently Lenin Bharathi etc. have said OTHERWISE about Ilayaraja! Ego is a healthy virtue. A person with no ego could only come up in life by jaalra & shoe-wiping.

    • @pearlmaharajan
      @pearlmaharajan 6 років тому +9

      BC99 I dont know, how you read it. We aren't talking about Ego is healthy or not, or even it is right or wrong! we are talking about both men are egoistic. No about about it. Even ARR is egoistic. But not infront of camera. I am a very big fan of IR. I don't even listen to other musicians mostly. But fact is fact. Raja stayed with people who did not visit in his vicinity in a film. And also there is an approach to Raja for changes required if the director isn't happy about the outcome. After all, Director is the dad of the film... he has the first rights... Music is divine. But film music is a circus. You to obey the master even if you are lion. But a lion is always the lion. I will never eat the grass! Raja is alwaysa Lion

    • @BC999
      @BC999 6 років тому +6

      Maha Rajan I know you are IR fan. Anway, the key sentence in your comment is "NOT in front of camera"! That exactly is what I said. IR is not afraid to talk his mind out. He even has the guts to question about the National award decisions! That part, as I mentioned in my previous comment, about IR is a spread-rumour. All those superior directors were with IR for a lot of films. You have to read what Faazil & Adoor Gopalakrishnan said about working with IR. THEY ONLY SAID it is a rumour, it is NOT true that IR is not a director's composer.

    • @adhityas348
      @adhityas348 6 років тому +3

      @@pearlmaharajan "ARR is egoistic"- mind elaborating? Any instances u can cite?
      I wholeheartedly agree with your point. Imo, Raja over scores (at least,his recent flicks). The music is brilliant albeit since he can't match the film's vision,instead of complementing and elevating the scene, it's too prominent. I think this arises due to the fact that Raja is not really collaborative and is too egoistic to side with the director's vision. I believe this perturbed Mani a lot. For example- in CCV,Mani has allegedly relegated lots of rahman's songs to the background as filler and has not really picturized it as a set piece. This act if done with Raja,would infuriate him and he would end up cutting the creative collaboration- I believe something along the same lines happened with mysskin and Raja was disappointing with him for a while. Raja is phenomenal albeit he really needs to let go of his stupid ego and learn how to allign with the director's vision. And trust me,he is extremely egoistic. For instance- when he entered a function once,one person didn't stand up for him. He spotted that and was extremely disappointing and walked out of the function. Apart from that, lots of musicians have attested that he gets pissed off easily. Anyways,he's a phenomenonal musician.

  • @rishadar
    @rishadar 5 років тому +3

    Why dont mani ratnam compose with ilayaraja nowadays

    • @House_MD319
      @House_MD319 4 роки тому

      Music Fan IR won national award for his recent film “Thaarai Thappattai “

    • @prashantparekh3581
      @prashantparekh3581 3 роки тому +1

      @@House_MD319 ar rahman- 6 national award
      Illayaraja- 5 national award
      I am also very big fan of raja sir but sir lost his magic

    • @House_MD319
      @House_MD319 3 роки тому

      @@prashantparekh3581 lol. As if awards matter for genius. He still has n number of movies to compose including Vetrimaran movie. Psycho album shows who he is

    • @prashantparekh3581
      @prashantparekh3581 3 роки тому +2

      @@House_MD319 ok
      Ar rahman and mani ratnam are again coming back with Ponniyin selvan 2 part epic
      Ar rahman used instrument of 2nd century to compose music
      And he developed a new sound ( by not using computer)
      Illayaraja sir may have upcoming movies but his magic is now not there

  • @rakeshbhaskaran5923
    @rakeshbhaskaran5923 6 років тому +1

    0 dislikes ❤

  • @sureshnarayanan730
    @sureshnarayanan730 5 років тому +10

    Dear friends nobody can compare ir with arr if u want compare arr compare with ysr that is correct . God of music ilayaraja

    • @Thugira_
      @Thugira_ 4 роки тому +3

      God of music?🤔😆

    • @Novanova-bo6fu
      @Novanova-bo6fu 3 роки тому +1

      @@Thugira_ yess he is god of music
      ...all foreigners agree so and so does Google..and he is on par with Mozart..he is a musical genius

  • @stuckinamomentt
    @stuckinamomentt 3 роки тому +1

    I find the host irritating. He’s pedantic, tries to intellectualize everything and often misses the actual point.

  • @moortv3579
    @moortv3579 3 роки тому

    podupa
    thimila
    what da fvck
    u takk
    ..deadly drama

  • @sinukaki8235
    @sinukaki8235 4 роки тому +5

    AR Rahman is the updated version of illayraja

    • @Novanova-bo6fu
      @Novanova-bo6fu 3 роки тому +2

      ARR can manufacture music..with Ilayaraja Sir..music flows out of him

    • @AK-mf9ho
      @AK-mf9ho 3 роки тому +2

      What a joke this is 🤣 ARR is definitely a good composer but Maestro ilaiyaraaja belongs to a different league. 🙏

  • @maskerraj8531
    @maskerraj8531 5 років тому +4

    Poor fellow making flops, seems drained mind. just stop making movie or take more time before u make one

  • @Preethammaestro
    @Preethammaestro 5 років тому +13

    Ilayaraja >>> ARR

  • @Salmanfaris-hl5qu
    @Salmanfaris-hl5qu 4 роки тому +3

    A r rahman praise ilayaraja but ilayaraja never praise ar rahman...thats the diffrence between ilayaraja and a r rahman☺
    Sooory bro ..thats ar rahman legend mind..

    • @vijaykumar-ur2wu
      @vijaykumar-ur2wu 3 роки тому +2

      Ilayaraaja should praise AR Rehman? He is a small kid when Ilayaraaj already done around 300 movies....Mani is also praising Raja....For Example.....If you praise Michael Jackon... Michael Jackson should praise you again?

    • @Salmanfaris-hl5qu
      @Salmanfaris-hl5qu 3 роки тому

      @@vijaykumar-ur2wu
      U support only ilaya raja.ar rahman is legend mind.he never hatred others.

  • @Pelztheo
    @Pelztheo 6 років тому +21

    I never liked ilaiyaraja music. For me is ar rahman always the best

    • @FilmSkool
      @FilmSkool 5 років тому +20

      You never liked Raja's music? Where are you from? From Mars ?

    • @venkat577
      @venkat577 5 років тому +5

      @@FilmSkool edhu ena pudhu poraliya iruku ilayaraja music na elarumkum pidikanum ah ena

    • @FilmSkool
      @FilmSkool 5 років тому +6

      @@venkat577 Ilayaraja 1000 Padam compose panni irukkaru. 5000 Pattu pannavaroda music ah pudikkala nu solra alavukku ngaanasooniyangala enna solradhu

    • @karthickshiva4215
      @karthickshiva4215 5 років тому

      If you like, I will suggest you some songs. Listen it and tell me if you have the same opinion.

    • @antonykumar2401
      @antonykumar2401 5 років тому +3

      I think you are a alien

  • @stalinnadz9565
    @stalinnadz9565 5 років тому +4

    He was once a genius..now he is offtrack with pathetic direction and third class movies....