I like this theory, but adding to it a bit - I think they were growing mushrooms. Living in an apartment building, a lot of things are at a premium - but after this long, safe and fertile soil might well be hard to come by. Operation Cobalt, zombies, and simple decay of systems over time might all have contaminated the nearby soil, especially with a river right outside which can carry contaminants from upstream. We can, of course, make our own... 'soil', but most plants won't grow readily in that. Compost takes months or years even under ideal conditions to be usable - otherwise, excessive nitrogen can burn plants' roots and kill them, and intestinal bacteria can contaminate any plants which do grow, making them unsafe to eat. I think that when these folks ran out of usable soil, they decided to switch to mushrooms - many of which can grow in unaged compost, and which might provide a more stable, scalable food supply for their group. That would explain why they have all this very precise equipment - to my untrained eye, that 'aquarium' looks like it's precisely regulating temperature and humidity, which very few ordinary plants need. I think they were using that to cultivate mushrooms quickly, then separating out spores and mycelia from the species they wanted and growing them in a less regulated environment - the planters to the left. (If you google 'home mycology lab', you can find setups which don't look that different from this room, which I think makes this more plausible.) However... They were used to growing more traditional plants, and they didn't observe all the biosafety protocols needed for mushroom farming in unaged compost. No respiratory protection, no gloves, and they were clearly eating and drinking in here if that coffee cup to the right of the 'aquarium' is any clue. It even looks like that cup has something... discolored or growing on the right-hand side, perhaps some sort of fungus. I think that spores from a type of mushroom they DIDN'T want to eat - something toxic or even hallucinogenic - got into the air, and due to their lack of safety protocols, they ingested them, to terrible effect. I'm no mycologist, but that's my best guess. (And your environmental storytelling deep-dives are always very cool; thanks for keeping them up!)
And this is why diversity in science is necessary! Brainiacs can build self sustainable technology, but it really takes ecological scientists, engineering, farming, social science, etc to even run a micro environment. Didn't they napalm some cities! Yeah nothing would grow. I wish I was smart 😂
This is a really good theory and would go a long way towards explaining how the scientists died. Mycology is a VERY specialized science that often takes a lot of hands on experience to grasp. The differences between a safe vs poisonous mushroom can be very subtle and hard to notice if you haven't done it before. It's entirely possible that the two scientists, motivated by a need to find a fresh food source for the colony but lacking the knowledge and working off of reference texts alone could have cultivated something toxic and unintentionally poisoned themselves.
maybe they were growing mushrooms but a more sicking thought...there are lots of meat packages walking around I think they were looking into converting the walkers into a food source...and the experiment encountered an accident, resulting in the deaths of the scientists in the lab think about it, in a gated community, a bunch of boffins couldn't create a sustainable farm ? it would be easy for them to extend the boundaries of their community to encompass arable land...but boffins don't do easy...they are always looking for a cheaper, quicker, or smarter way of doing things...this was their downfall
Of course you're not gonna know about it if you didn't watch The Ones Who Live 😆 😂 🤣 Hell anyone that hasn't watched it yet isn't gonna have any freaking clue about anything that happened on the show.
The lack of walkers or corpses around the building, coupled with the words in the letter "I cannot go another day continuing to watch our mission die" seems to point towards a slow collapse due to depopulation, instead of a quick fall. The fact that there are no supplies also support this hypothesis. I think that at the beginning, everything was going good and they got the settlement up and running. But as time went by, living essentially in a concrete island surrounded by death and the ashes of the old world, they began to lose hope. Much like the scientists of the CDC in Atlanta. So as morale declined, the most motivated people would try to keep the spirits up with those motivational posters and probably support meetings or parties. But the lack of supplies and progress in their research eroded all efforts to remain positive. People started opting out, and those who remained took care of the bodies (therefore we don't see any). While other people just gave up and left the community. This slow migration left the building deserted, which hindered even more the work of the few scientists that remained, thus the words (to watch our mission die). My guess is that the two researchers in the lab were the last ones around, accidentally or intentionally poisoned themselves, and with no one else to take care of their remains, they turned. The woman of the letter found out too late and saw it too risky to enter the room to deal with them, and instead wrote the note and opted out as well. Overall, I think they were a capable group, but too idealistic. They needed a pragmatic leader to keep their feet on the ground and balance survival with research. For example experimenting with growing insects for food, setting up rooftop crops, and training for combat and scavenging runs. For all intents and purposes, they were living like they were still in the old world, and died just like it.
Insects for food is an overall terrible waste of resources. You'd waste more calories doing it than you would consume via the insects. A slow death by starvation.
My theory: They finally ran out of food in the apartment, then moved down to the lab where it was growing, basically moving into the kitchen. Then, whatever they were growing went bad, maybe there was a fire, but I think they were locked in that room with no way out after Lakshmi ducked out
You know one of the things that I'm glad The walking Dead kind of explores is how basically all the major rule and urban areas got wiped out and it's all the midsize and small areas you wouldn't expect that are like the powerhouses. So like there's no La, there's no New York City. The entire state of Texas is a nuclear radiated zone and the last place you would think that would be a stronghold against the dead or Omaha and Portland.
You would need a much bigger organization than CRM even to be able to clear and control a metropolis like LA or NYC, where every apartment on every floor of every skyscraper can be hiding undead. Something like the government remains from World War Z could be able to do that. Smaller towns are easier to control, clean out and already provide some industrial capabilities
My theory is the group were not fully prepared for the reality of the world ending, they had the knowledge and tech to ensure the building would have power, but did not properly secure a food and water source, miracle crops that are lab grown failed to sustain the group, pollutants from factories and power plants failing got into the ground water and were beyond the groups means to purify and finally the oppressive nature of the undead never stopping never going away, always there wearing the faces of people you once knew and loved, and how difficult it is to destroy a zombie, aiming for the head is tricky and not everyone can manage it. got to the group and they either took their own way out or left to try and survive in other ways.
And to add their could be them holding on to their past and farther more they lack the will of survival since they see the world slowly rot and decay and maybe some of them might also be living in a colony ruled by a tyrant and/or tyrannical leadership.
This is kinda why I think Greenwood started way before the outbreak of the Wildfire virus. Makes me think maybe they were working towards a way for a Greener future due to climate change. I think they had funding from private investors and maybe even the government to make a space that would survive anything, and they never intended to survive an apocalypse of zombies. No weapons was probably the main reason they all died. There's not even any improvised weapons if I remember right, like sharpened sticks making me think many ran (but not all made it out, leaving a car or two behind) during the initial outbreak or died.
They definitely ran out of food and most were simply too cowardly to go scavenge for food so they chose to bunker down and attempt to grow food on their own. The writing was pretty much on the wall that they wouldn’t be able to survive and people either left, starved to death, or took themselves out to avoid such a painful death.
@@geminicollision3387they had a car that ran on ethanol/electricity made though. So that means they weren’t scared to leave. Plus I’m sure many more of them just left and it was very few that stayed.
Let me put it like this though. I think greenwood was a pre apocalypse science facility trying to find long lasting sources of energy to make the world more sustainable and as the world fell apart around them they stayed there but unfortunately they ran out of food and they tried to grown their own in a lab, but sadly botany wasnt one of their strong suits so they didnt know what they were doing and so acepted that they couldnt survive. As for why they didnt bother leaving or going out to hunt or scavenge... i mean look at them, these were skinny nerds and by the looks of the two in the lab they look like they were older to begin with, but these were people who followed intellectual persuits and the one scientist with a helmet on, she seemed adverse to violence to begin with. So yeah thats my excuse, besides i want tou to remember how scary walkers really are especially back during the start.
See when this episode came out I thought it was another CRM base but it wasn’t so these scientists were just trying to survive like everyone else but didn’t have enough food or water. I liked how they had energy for there apartment it was cool to see. Great job on this one!
I think your theory is accurate especially if these scientists weren’t prepared to hunt their own food and trying to survive like Rick & co. If they didn’t know that they’re infected regardless of being bitten, I could see them being reckless and desperate enough to make contaminated meat.
Have you ever given thought about doing a video on all the update writings around the world? Like in the episode rick, carl and michonne go looking for weapons, and they pass by a makeshift sign telling someone they were heading somewhere. It makes the world feel lived in and apmost haunting with all the questions those signs create
Crazy to think that Michonne jumped out of a helicopter (and dragged Rick with her) completely on a whim, without thinking twice, which ultimately saved their lives. Without that split-second decision of hers, they simply would've uncerimoniously died as the helicopter crashed against that building, and that would've been it - the end of our beloved characters. That's just totally insane to think about.
I like your channel/commentary. I mostly stopped watching twd after they done Glenn so dirty but still love the lore. Leaving a comment for the almighty algorithm.
I love the video keep up the great work. I would like to talk real quick about another environment scene in the walking dead. This happens in season 6 where Abraham gets the rpg from the fence walker. From the scene put together the former soldier walker was with his unit and was guarding the freeway from walkers and set up fences. Now whatever in between is unknown but eventually a car rammed the fence and impaled the soldier after he armed the rpg and his buddies left or died before the could get him.
Someone else has just said this, but you are now Top Tier TWD, easily now. A cracking channel. Looking forward to your Carol videos but I can't watch them until I've seen the show. We are getting it weekly in England, so I have Ep.1/2/3 recorded so far. I can't decide whether to watch these 3 now, or record the 6 and smash it in one go?
Hey I appreciate that very much thank you! I’d recommend just waiting for the full season to come out at this point, these spin offs are much better on a binge watch
@@Swell-Films Thank you for the great content. I think you are right. I waited 2 years to watch the last 2 episodes of S11 TWD, with the rationale that the show hadn't actually personally ended for me, but that was a little silly. I did however, binge watch DD S1, TOWL and Dead City S1 (thoroughly enjoyed each of them) all very recently as we didn't get these "officially" in England until a couple of months ago, for reasons why, I'm still yet to ascertain? It is annoying in England with screwed up, really late releases of the shows, as I don't want anything spoiled, but with the weekly release of DD2BOC somewhat coinciding with the American run, hopefully we are on the right track now.
Probably the location. The world fell pretty quickly ti begin with, and the location is a place where a lot of people would be too scared to enter such buildings with walkers everywhere.
Perhaps it really was quite peaceful. At first, the scientists built up a reasonably happy community and tried to provide for their new home in various ways. For the first few months, they probably lived off the food reserves they had brought with them, foraged, hunted and perhaps even traded - and transported the resources and food they obtained in the converted vehicle. At the same time, they thought about how they could cultivate and grow plants in the building. Perhaps they could even use the radio equipment to keep in touch with each other, during the expeditions or with other people. But somehow the situation must have proved impractical. Their own reserves were probably used up at some point and the resources in the surrounding buildings were plundered. In turn, hunting and trading with other humans was not sufficiently profitable. The people were scientists - not hunters - and probably not traders either. The settlement did not produce enough goods that could have been traded for food and other products. Furthermore, it seems that no people settled permanently in the surrounding area with whom they could have traded and formed alliances. As a result, the settlement became increasingly isolated. In turn, their own food production proved not to be mature enough, could not feed the community and was limited almost exclusively to laboratory experiments. In the end, the scientists turned their backs on the community one by one. Since they were educated and human and there were no traces of violence, they probably did so peacefully. One by one, they said goodbye and the people left, either to found a new community elsewhere or to join others. The remaining people probably even shared their last supplies with them. In the end, only three inhabitants remained, who had probably made peace with their fate and no longer wanted to leave the home they had built for themselves. Inside, they knew that their work was doomed to failure. With too few people to launch expeditions, the last three inhabitants remained in their home. They used up the last of their supplies and put the last of their energy and passion into research and plant breeding in the hope of either finding a breakthrough after all, or at least discovering something that could be useful to the human race that followed. They spent their free time keeping their home tidy, optimizing and reading. In the process, their strength grew weaker and weaker. One day, two residents did not return from their research work in the laboratory. They had fallen asleep while working and did not wake up the next morning. They had starved to death. Shortly afterwards, they turned undead. The last survivor locked the door and left them to their fate. He could not bring himself to kill them. They had been his last friends. Overwhelmed by the hopelessness, the last survivor took his own life. He held himself partly responsible for their failure and the death of his friends and decided to put an end to the matter. No one returned to the estate after that. Everyone who knew the place and had left it knew that it was impossible to survive there and that there were probably no more supplies. So the place fell into oblivion.
Is this how I consume TWD because I cannot commit to a loooong ass series? Yeah. adhd be damned, I feel like this is a pretty consistent source of info
Ah yes, the episode that made me cry like a bitch. Honestly, I think those two scientists could have easily died from an accidental chemical reaction, like chlorine gas or something, but that also wouldn’t explain the stains on their coats. Certainly an interesting one, but even if it’s reaching, I can see them getting desperate for food and trying to come up with solutions for it.
Great video ... looks like it was just a bunch of nerds/scientists with no military or support staff ... probably thought they would be able to solve any issues ... personally I would of encouraged a soldier or police officer to join them... maybe even a gardener or farmer
I remember when in the first season with Dr. Jenner that when a lot of the scientists and Doctors from the CDC couldn't find a solution to prevent the people dying coming back to eat the living many ran back to their families and many others decided to commit suicide since it was too late to prevent the collapse of society.
Your analysis skills are excellent. No joke but extrapolating from minimal photo and video information is what some people get paid real well to do at intelligence agencies and firms. Do you do analysis of real world events too? I could get down with that.
I'm with Serrate on the mushroom idea. With the scientists' implied dark histories, there is a chance someone may have tampered with the crops too. Might also be external forces trying to get scientists back.
I like to imagine that the survivor that lived there was just some guy who hadn’t realized what happened until recently. He just never noticed that dead people were walking around.
the complex was built prefall. im guessing these scientist and people who wanted to go off-grid pre-fall found out about this complex, made an online group and decided they would go live there all together, but looking at the rooms they go into, they dont lived in and rather seem like those model homes. so im guessing before people could actually move in and settle in, the fall happened. hence why there are so much of a residents walkers and the walkers we see roaming around, are just strays, minus the walker scientist
There were a lot of unanswered questions in this scenario. Like - how long were they living there? What crops were they growing? Were they able to hunt/fish? Just how big was the city they were living in? and what crops were they using to create the ethanol? I think this groups demise was a combination of - a bad harvest (or two) coupled with diminishing stocks of food - illnesses - all coupled with some winter storms/heavy snowfall which prevent them from searching for food Your theory about the two "scientists" seems very valid (they were experimenting & trying to grow food in the lab, when a chemical spill poisoned them) The fact that they had charged/fueled vehicles ready to go does seem strange to me (and part of why I think weather conditions had them snowed in for awhile)
You should look into the fall of the small community that Victor Strand comes across in the Season 6 finally of FTWD and the one that Al and Dwight interact with when that was infected with the black plague trying to get into contact with the CRM.
I think they were already there when the walkers rose because it says they lived off the grid nobody knew about them they probably only went into town for supplies maybe some people came back with bites they didn't know what was going on they tried to help and it spread that's why the car was outside full of fuel it come back from a supply run and they didn't know the world had fallen to the dead .....great content though keep up absolutely love watching these
Outside of the obvious Grimes Family and Richonne obsession I have, TOWL as a whole and 1x04 is utter perfection to me. Danai, Andrew, and Scott got in that Writer's Room and cooked us a magnificent feast! Also, it was so fun to see people who hadn't engaged with TWDU in years return to livetweet and just hang out with those who stuck around. It was and still is like an awesome family reunion every time I log on, at least within the sphere of the fandom I dwell in. I know that there's a lot of craziness going on but I steer clear of it as much as I can. I wish that the Emmys picked up what we were putting down but that's par for the course when it comes to TWDU content and those who put their whole soul into the characters they play. It is what it is. My heart always breaks when I hear Dr. Patel's last words and see her remains. She did her best to be a good LEADER but sometimes, things just don't work out. I always thought that they were Good scientists researching for a Cure instead of the Evil psychos in the CRM but I really like your idea that they were trying to make lab grown meat like we have IRL. Something bad happened, though. Whether it was an experiment gone wrong, the aftermath of someone succumbing to despair and ending things in a way that they'd Rise or even just a Herd at the wrong time, we don't know but it was nice to see signs of scientists who didn't opt out, become Dr. Frankensteins off a Perc, or get taken out ala The World Beyond Scene. One of the best and worst things about TWDU are the infinite possibilities of showing different ways survivors handle The Fall and The New World and I'd love a PROPER anthology series to explore them. Anyways, back to my parents LMAO! 1x04 was as flawless as a Simone Biles routine when it came to focusing on Rick and Michonne as individuals and as a couple. Their long Separation (caused by a thankfully dead thirsty, musty, genocidal heifer with a chopped cheese haircut...) took a heavy toll on them physically and emotionally. Initially, the building's collapse showed how their Bond had been frayed to the point of ruin but once they told their full truths, once they were on the same page again, it became a symbol of all of the defenses they came up with to survive without each other collapsing into dust, leaving them whole and while still having demons, stronger than they had ever been. It was so beautiful to see, especially knowing how it all ended. The Grimes Family is reunited and as safe as TWDU allows them to be. That's so cool! I haven't commented in a while but what I've said before still stands. I absolutely love your content because it's Nuanced and your dry humor is perfect for the subject matter. The fact that you're under 100K is shocking but as long as you keep doing what you're doing, your channel will blow up. I'm looking forward to whatever you decide to share with us next. Thanks for everything and Happy early Halloween! 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃
Would definitely recommend doing this sorta series with environmental sterytelling but expanding it to the Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners occasionally since they've got quite a bit especially in the school and a bit even in the hospital if I remember right if that's possible
General Sherman and his troops approached Atlanta, and once they entered the city, began to burn it to the ground. That's how Atlanta fell, in real life
I’m not sure if this will happen in the channel but is there a possibility you do like what it stories like for example what if the governor wasn’t too far gone and join Rick’s gang I would like to see that in the channel
“What ifs” are a pretty saturated market when it comes to the walking dead, if I were to do that I think I’d more so like to explore what ifs in regards to fear if it didn’t get rebooted. But I’ll never say never!
I cant help but notice the irony of them having an autonomous floor vaccuum machine, and using that 1990s screensaver on the PC 😆 person musta been cool as hell if they rock the past and present like that. Too bad they werent around in the future that is T.W.D. But tbh I doubt it was starvation. The bodies are not remotely close to that malnourished. Im just keeping possibilities open. I think your on to something with the spilled look of fluids on their labcoats though. It could have even been infighting. Perhaps a fight broke out and the two started fighting, dead were flooding the building preventing escape to the vehicles, the original lead scientist offed herself mostly out of panic of the undead trying to swarm in, her only two other scientists at eachothers throats, the project dying off and hitting dead ends as they start to become hungry. A sad soul can kill quicker than a disease after all. Although if TWO scientists were dead, both with no visible physical wounds, only one could have been murdered, strangled if lack of physical signs is something to consider. God why am I so intrigued by this scenario 😆
I don't believe the people of Greenwood came from the colonies. I believe they started Greenwood before the zombie apocalypse. The note clearly said they wanted to live off the grid. Well, after the fall everyone was living off the grid. I believe they were a community of environmentalists who talked about living off the grid, and even had self sustaining tech, but like most environmentalists they preferred going to the grocery store rather than growing their own crops. After the fall, they realized they couldn't go to the grocery store anymore, and attempted to start growing their own crops, but they realized that this takes time, and they didn't have enough remaining food to consume while growing crops. So then residents of Greenwood started leaving for the various colonies. Some made it , and some didn't.
Another great environmental storytelling with great insight. Cause I have no idea what happened. lol But that was a huge complex, do you think there was somebody left alive in that place? Not necessarily the original occupants but people who could have wandered in like Rick and Michonne.
It seems to me like that place was pretty unoccupied by the time they got there, but it’s totally possible looters could have discovered it at some point. Although judging by how clean everything still is I doubt it tbh
I think the place was founded pre-fall, sounds like a eco-commune (renewable energy, automation, lab development, hybrid vehicles) that was founded and built like minded people from Portland.
The only reason people love this episode is cause Danai produced it wasn’t that good of episode and why wouldn’t they leave to find food and how did the helicopter crash don’t think Rick was flying the helicopter
That would have been a perfect base for Eugene to get crazy in.
@@manofaction1807 lol true
Eugene was a fraud
@@62BURNER he knew enough to fool noobs ... just not enought to fool professionals
I like this theory, but adding to it a bit - I think they were growing mushrooms.
Living in an apartment building, a lot of things are at a premium - but after this long, safe and fertile soil might well be hard to come by. Operation Cobalt, zombies, and simple decay of systems over time might all have contaminated the nearby soil, especially with a river right outside which can carry contaminants from upstream.
We can, of course, make our own... 'soil', but most plants won't grow readily in that. Compost takes months or years even under ideal conditions to be usable - otherwise, excessive nitrogen can burn plants' roots and kill them, and intestinal bacteria can contaminate any plants which do grow, making them unsafe to eat.
I think that when these folks ran out of usable soil, they decided to switch to mushrooms - many of which can grow in unaged compost, and which might provide a more stable, scalable food supply for their group. That would explain why they have all this very precise equipment - to my untrained eye, that 'aquarium' looks like it's precisely regulating temperature and humidity, which very few ordinary plants need. I think they were using that to cultivate mushrooms quickly, then separating out spores and mycelia from the species they wanted and growing them in a less regulated environment - the planters to the left.
(If you google 'home mycology lab', you can find setups which don't look that different from this room, which I think makes this more plausible.)
However... They were used to growing more traditional plants, and they didn't observe all the biosafety protocols needed for mushroom farming in unaged compost. No respiratory protection, no gloves, and they were clearly eating and drinking in here if that coffee cup to the right of the 'aquarium' is any clue. It even looks like that cup has something... discolored or growing on the right-hand side, perhaps some sort of fungus.
I think that spores from a type of mushroom they DIDN'T want to eat - something toxic or even hallucinogenic - got into the air, and due to their lack of safety protocols, they ingested them, to terrible effect. I'm no mycologist, but that's my best guess.
(And your environmental storytelling deep-dives are always very cool; thanks for keeping them up!)
I think that’s just as valid of a theory, great job mate!
And this is why diversity in science is necessary! Brainiacs can build self sustainable technology, but it really takes ecological scientists, engineering, farming, social science, etc to even run a micro environment. Didn't they napalm some cities! Yeah nothing would grow. I wish I was smart 😂
I love this explanation!
This is a really good theory and would go a long way towards explaining how the scientists died. Mycology is a VERY specialized science that often takes a lot of hands on experience to grasp. The differences between a safe vs poisonous mushroom can be very subtle and hard to notice if you haven't done it before. It's entirely possible that the two scientists, motivated by a need to find a fresh food source for the colony but lacking the knowledge and working off of reference texts alone could have cultivated something toxic and unintentionally poisoned themselves.
maybe they were growing mushrooms
but a more sicking thought...there are lots of meat packages walking around
I think they were looking into converting the walkers into a food source...and the experiment encountered an accident, resulting in the deaths of the scientists in the lab
think about it, in a gated community, a bunch of boffins couldn't create a sustainable farm ? it would be easy for them to extend the boundaries of their community to encompass arable land...but boffins don't do easy...they are always looking for a cheaper, quicker, or smarter way of doing things...this was their downfall
Without you i woudn't have ever heard about Greenwood not gonna lie
lmao same i didnt even know it existed
phew not the only one then
Of course you're not gonna know about it if you didn't watch The Ones Who Live 😆 😂 🤣 Hell anyone that hasn't watched it yet isn't gonna have any freaking clue about anything that happened on the show.
I’ve heard about it somewhat but this show is way different from the lions of it
Watch the "ones who live." It was great.
How’s it feel to be a top tier walking dead UA-camr? You’ve earned it
@@ddyert top shelf gold label 🏷
Agreed.
Haha that’s so kind of you to say. Thank you so much!
The lack of walkers or corpses around the building, coupled with the words in the letter "I cannot go another day continuing to watch our mission die" seems to point towards a slow collapse due to depopulation, instead of a quick fall. The fact that there are no supplies also support this hypothesis.
I think that at the beginning, everything was going good and they got the settlement up and running. But as time went by, living essentially in a concrete island surrounded by death and the ashes of the old world, they began to lose hope. Much like the scientists of the CDC in Atlanta.
So as morale declined, the most motivated people would try to keep the spirits up with those motivational posters and probably support meetings or parties. But the lack of supplies and progress in their research eroded all efforts to remain positive.
People started opting out, and those who remained took care of the bodies (therefore we don't see any). While other people just gave up and left the community. This slow migration left the building deserted, which hindered even more the work of the few scientists that remained, thus the words (to watch our mission die).
My guess is that the two researchers in the lab were the last ones around, accidentally or intentionally poisoned themselves, and with no one else to take care of their remains, they turned. The woman of the letter found out too late and saw it too risky to enter the room to deal with them, and instead wrote the note and opted out as well.
Overall, I think they were a capable group, but too idealistic. They needed a pragmatic leader to keep their feet on the ground and balance survival with research. For example experimenting with growing insects for food, setting up rooftop crops, and training for combat and scavenging runs. For all intents and purposes, they were living like they were still in the old world, and died just like it.
Insects for food is an overall terrible waste of resources. You'd waste more calories doing it than you would consume via the insects. A slow death by starvation.
My theory:
They finally ran out of food in the apartment, then moved down to the lab where it was growing, basically moving into the kitchen.
Then, whatever they were growing went bad, maybe there was a fire, but I think they were locked in that room with no way out after Lakshmi ducked out
Getting locked in a room as your leader opts out is a terrifying thought
You know one of the things that I'm glad The walking Dead kind of explores is how basically all the major rule and urban areas got wiped out and it's all the midsize and small areas you wouldn't expect that are like the powerhouses. So like there's no La, there's no New York City. The entire state of Texas is a nuclear radiated zone and the last place you would think that would be a stronghold against the dead or Omaha and Portland.
You would need a much bigger organization than CRM even to be able to clear and control a metropolis like LA or NYC, where every apartment on every floor of every skyscraper can be hiding undead. Something like the government remains from World War Z could be able to do that.
Smaller towns are easier to control, clean out and already provide some industrial capabilities
“These videos aren’t meant to convince you I’m right” Okay maybe not but you *do* convince me so
Haha love to hear it!
right? me too!
My theory is the group were not fully prepared for the reality of the world ending, they had the knowledge and tech to ensure the building would have power, but did not properly secure a food and water source, miracle crops that are lab grown failed to sustain the group, pollutants from factories and power plants failing got into the ground water and were beyond the groups means to purify and finally the oppressive nature of the undead never stopping never going away, always there wearing the faces of people you once knew and loved, and how difficult it is to destroy a zombie, aiming for the head is tricky and not everyone can manage it. got to the group and they either took their own way out or left to try and survive in other ways.
And to add their could be them holding on to their past and farther more they lack the will of survival since they see the world slowly rot and decay and maybe some of them might also be living in a colony ruled by a tyrant and/or tyrannical leadership.
They didnt find any guns or any other weapons. They were a bunch of Eugenes, who had no survival skills.
This is kinda why I think Greenwood started way before the outbreak of the Wildfire virus.
Makes me think maybe they were working towards a way for a Greener future due to climate change.
I think they had funding from private investors and maybe even the government to make a space that would survive anything, and they never intended to survive an apocalypse of zombies.
No weapons was probably the main reason they all died. There's not even any improvised weapons if I remember right, like sharpened sticks making me think many ran (but not all made it out, leaving a car or two behind) during the initial outbreak or died.
They definitely ran out of food and most were simply too cowardly to go scavenge for food so they chose to bunker down and attempt to grow food on their own. The writing was pretty much on the wall that they wouldn’t be able to survive and people either left, starved to death, or took themselves out to avoid such a painful death.
We gotta acknowledge that tons of people would be very hesitant to leave especially in an urban area that would be extremely dangerous to scavenge in.
@@HighFlySoyGuythis! hate when people act like being scared of venturing into a zombie filled city is stupid or cowardly
@@geminicollision3387 There's the fact that they were near a decade in the apocalypse already, scared and uncompetent people would be dead long ago
@@geminicollision3387they had a car that ran on ethanol/electricity made though. So that means they weren’t scared to leave. Plus I’m sure many more of them just left and it was very few that stayed.
@purpleranger5987 Well, having a car and gp8ng into buildings to scavenge are two very different things.
Let me put it like this though.
I think greenwood was a pre apocalypse science facility trying to find long lasting sources of energy to make the world more sustainable and as the world fell apart around them they stayed there but unfortunately they ran out of food and they tried to grown their own in a lab, but sadly botany wasnt one of their strong suits so they didnt know what they were doing and so acepted that they couldnt survive.
As for why they didnt bother leaving or going out to hunt or scavenge... i mean look at them, these were skinny nerds and by the looks of the two in the lab they look like they were older to begin with, but these were people who followed intellectual persuits and the one scientist with a helmet on, she seemed adverse to violence to begin with.
So yeah thats my excuse, besides i want tou to remember how scary walkers really are especially back during the start.
See when this episode came out I thought it was another CRM base but it wasn’t so these scientists were just trying to survive like everyone else but didn’t have enough food or water. I liked how they had energy for there apartment it was cool to see. Great job on this one!
Thanks mate! Appreciate you watching as always
@@Swell-Films No problem just keep making great content as always!
This is my favorite UA-cam series of all time. Every time I see you post an environmental storytelling vid I JUMP to my computer. THANK YOU FOR THIS!
Haha thanks so much for watching!
I think your theory is accurate especially if these scientists weren’t prepared to hunt their own food and trying to survive like Rick & co. If they didn’t know that they’re infected regardless of being bitten, I could see them being reckless and desperate enough to make contaminated meat.
Always Accountable would be a great episode for you to do. The office Sasha and Abraham discover is a treasure trove of environmental storytelling.
Love the videos! I would love to see to see a video abt ur opinion of the twd spinoffs/shows and how u would rank them
Keep up the content been loving your TWD series since it began.
Omg this video reminds me how amazing this episode was,Danai Gurira the award winning writer you are
Have you ever given thought about doing a video on all the update writings around the world? Like in the episode rick, carl and michonne go looking for weapons, and they pass by a makeshift sign telling someone they were heading somewhere. It makes the world feel lived in and apmost haunting with all the questions those signs create
Crazy to think that Michonne jumped out of a helicopter (and dragged Rick with her) completely on a whim, without thinking twice, which ultimately saved their lives. Without that split-second decision of hers, they simply would've uncerimoniously died as the helicopter crashed against that building, and that would've been it - the end of our beloved characters. That's just totally insane to think about.
After they ran out of food, those 2 in the laboratory room became infected by some kind of fungus they were growing, that became toxic and deadly.
The man has finally posted !! Dude like I’ve been looking forward to another great video !!!!!
I like your channel/commentary.
I mostly stopped watching twd after they done Glenn so dirty but still love the lore.
Leaving a comment for the almighty algorithm.
Haha I appreciate that mate
I love the video keep up the great work. I would like to talk real quick about another environment scene in the walking dead. This happens in season 6 where Abraham gets the rpg from the fence walker. From the scene put together the former soldier walker was with his unit and was guarding the freeway from walkers and set up fences. Now whatever in between is unknown but eventually a car rammed the fence and impaled the soldier after he armed the rpg and his buddies left or died before the could get him.
I’ve had that scene suggested a few times, I’ll definitely be adding it to my list! Thanks for watching mate
Someone else has just said this, but you are now Top Tier TWD, easily now. A cracking channel. Looking forward to your Carol videos but I can't watch them until I've seen the show. We are getting it weekly in England, so I have Ep.1/2/3 recorded so far. I can't decide whether to watch these 3 now, or record the 6 and smash it in one go?
Hey I appreciate that very much thank you! I’d recommend just waiting for the full season to come out at this point, these spin offs are much better on a binge watch
@@Swell-Films Thank you for the great content. I think you are right. I waited 2 years to watch the last 2 episodes of S11 TWD, with the rationale that the show hadn't actually personally ended for me, but that was a little silly. I did however, binge watch DD S1, TOWL and Dead City S1 (thoroughly enjoyed each of them) all very recently as we didn't get these "officially" in England until a couple of months ago, for reasons why, I'm still yet to ascertain? It is annoying in England with screwed up, really late releases of the shows, as I don't want anything spoiled, but with the weekly release of DD2BOC somewhat coinciding with the American run, hopefully we are on the right track now.
I watched towl the other day. Im suprised nobody in 13 years since the apocalypse has come across this place.
it’s in the mountains
Probably the location. The world fell pretty quickly ti begin with, and the location is a place where a lot of people would be too scared to enter such buildings with walkers everywhere.
Perhaps it really was quite peaceful. At first, the scientists built up a reasonably happy community and tried to provide for their new home in various ways. For the first few months, they probably lived off the food reserves they had brought with them, foraged, hunted and perhaps even traded - and transported the resources and food they obtained in the converted vehicle. At the same time, they thought about how they could cultivate and grow plants in the building. Perhaps they could even use the radio equipment to keep in touch with each other, during the expeditions or with other people. But somehow the situation must have proved impractical. Their own reserves were probably used up at some point and the resources in the surrounding buildings were plundered. In turn, hunting and trading with other humans was not sufficiently profitable. The people were scientists - not hunters - and probably not traders either. The settlement did not produce enough goods that could have been traded for food and other products. Furthermore, it seems that no people settled permanently in the surrounding area with whom they could have traded and formed alliances. As a result, the settlement became increasingly isolated. In turn, their own food production proved not to be mature enough, could not feed the community and was limited almost exclusively to laboratory experiments. In the end, the scientists turned their backs on the community one by one. Since they were educated and human and there were no traces of violence, they probably did so peacefully. One by one, they said goodbye and the people left, either to found a new community elsewhere or to join others. The remaining people probably even shared their last supplies with them. In the end, only three inhabitants remained, who had probably made peace with their fate and no longer wanted to leave the home they had built for themselves. Inside, they knew that their work was doomed to failure. With too few people to launch expeditions, the last three inhabitants remained in their home. They used up the last of their supplies and put the last of their energy and passion into research and plant breeding in the hope of either finding a breakthrough after all, or at least discovering something that could be useful to the human race that followed. They spent their free time keeping their home tidy, optimizing and reading. In the process, their strength grew weaker and weaker.
One day, two residents did not return from their research work in the laboratory. They had fallen asleep while working and did not wake up the next morning. They had starved to death. Shortly afterwards, they turned undead. The last survivor locked the door and left them to their fate. He could not bring himself to kill them. They had been his last friends. Overwhelmed by the hopelessness, the last survivor took his own life. He held himself partly responsible for their failure and the death of his friends and decided to put an end to the matter. No one returned to the estate after that. Everyone who knew the place and had left it knew that it was impossible to survive there and that there were probably no more supplies. So the place fell into oblivion.
Man i love your videos, I'm disappointed you don't get more views! Please keep making these I love them!
Haha I appreciate that man thanks so much!
3:33 Also, look at their fingernails. They probably got stuck down there for a long time.
Is this how I consume TWD because I cannot commit to a loooong ass series? Yeah. adhd be damned, I feel like this is a pretty consistent source of info
Same, I just skip the comic ones because I’m part way through
If only they made the Roomba a farmer.
A piece of wheat in its teeth, and a bigger ass
I was watching Too Far Gone and I was thinking it had several good scenes with environmental storytelling.
Same. Since watching this channel I keep an eye out for environment details now.
Really enjoying this series. Thanks for another video 🤘🤘🤘💜💜💜
Thanks for watching!
@@Swell-Films no, thank you! 🤘
Love these videos, thanks for picking great topics and discussing them so well.
Thanks for watching!
Ah yes, the episode that made me cry like a bitch.
Honestly, I think those two scientists could have easily died from an accidental chemical reaction, like chlorine gas or something, but that also wouldn’t explain the stains on their coats. Certainly an interesting one, but even if it’s reaching, I can see them getting desperate for food and trying to come up with solutions for it.
I absolutely love these videos. So interesting and unique. Great job!
Thanks so much!
Maybe they tried to make some food from walkers 🤔
That’s a super interesting theory
Keep up the good work these videos are always eye opening i had no idea there was this much more story in TWD universe.
Thanks so much! I appreciate you watching!
I love your channel!
Thank you so much!
We’re roombas even around in 2010? Doesn’t make sense if society fell in 2010 someone needed to create a new vacuum
Apparently they’ve been around since 2002
@@Swell-Films oh wow! Good to know! For some reason felt like they were invented in like 2020
@@calebkeck7840 I was in high school when I saw the first commercials. 😂😂 😅 😢
Great video ... looks like it was just a bunch of nerds/scientists with no military or support staff ... probably thought they would be able to solve any issues ... personally I would of encouraged a soldier or police officer to join them... maybe even a gardener or farmer
Ive never been here this early ❤ 🎉 love these videos!
@@brendablue7013 my internal clock woke me up ... sweet
I remember when in the first season with Dr. Jenner that when a lot of the scientists and Doctors from the CDC couldn't find a solution to prevent the people dying coming back to eat the living many ran back to their families and many others decided to commit suicide since it was too late to prevent the collapse of society.
I haven't watched beyond the first season both on tv as well as in TellTales. Still love these videos.
Your analysis skills are excellent. No joke but extrapolating from minimal photo and video information is what some people get paid real well to do at intelligence agencies and firms. Do you do analysis of real world events too? I could get down with that.
@@BonesyTucson boy has some skills 👏
Haha thanks so much! I haven’t done any real world events but I do have a background in journalism so I definitely could see what’s out there!
There’s a series on Discovery +/Discovery called, What in the World? with experts doing that. It’s a great show.
I'm glad I found these, I love similar videos on Bethesda games.
I'm with Serrate on the mushroom idea. With the scientists' implied dark histories, there is a chance someone may have tampered with the crops too.
Might also be external forces trying to get scientists back.
I like to imagine that the survivor that lived there was just some guy who hadn’t realized what happened until recently. He just never noticed that dead people were walking around.
the complex was built prefall. im guessing these scientist and people who wanted to go off-grid pre-fall found out about this complex, made an online group and decided they would go live there all together, but looking at the rooms they go into, they dont lived in and rather seem like those model homes. so im guessing before people could actually move in and settle in, the fall happened. hence why there are so much of a residents walkers and the walkers we see roaming around, are just strays, minus the walker scientist
There were a lot of unanswered questions in this scenario. Like - how long were they living there? What crops were they growing? Were they able to hunt/fish? Just how big was the city they were living in? and what crops were they using to create the ethanol?
I think this groups demise was a combination of
- a bad harvest (or two) coupled with diminishing stocks of food
- illnesses
- all coupled with some winter storms/heavy snowfall which prevent them from searching for food
Your theory about the two "scientists" seems very valid (they were experimenting & trying to grow food in the lab, when a chemical spill poisoned them)
The fact that they had charged/fueled vehicles ready to go does seem strange to me (and part of why I think weather conditions had them snowed in for awhile)
You should look into the fall of the small community that Victor Strand comes across in the Season 6 finally of FTWD and the one that Al and Dwight interact with when that was infected with the black plague trying to get into contact with the CRM.
Great suggestion I’ll definitely look into it!
Fiddlers Green is FURIOUS right now
Excellent video. You developed an interesting story based on a little onfo
I think they were already there when the walkers rose because it says they lived off the grid nobody knew about them they probably only went into town for supplies maybe some people came back with bites they didn't know what was going on they tried to help and it spread that's why the car was outside full of fuel it come back from a supply run and they didn't know the world had fallen to the dead .....great content though keep up absolutely love watching these
There might not be a lot of evidence that isn’t dialogue, but I’d love a similar storytelling video with regard to how terminus became cannibalistic.
Outside of the obvious Grimes Family and Richonne obsession I have, TOWL as a whole and 1x04 is utter perfection to me. Danai, Andrew, and Scott got in that Writer's Room and cooked us a magnificent feast! Also, it was so fun to see people who hadn't engaged with TWDU in years return to livetweet and just hang out with those who stuck around. It was and still is like an awesome family reunion every time I log on, at least within the sphere of the fandom I dwell in. I know that there's a lot of craziness going on but I steer clear of it as much as I can. I wish that the Emmys picked up what we were putting down but that's par for the course when it comes to TWDU content and those who put their whole soul into the characters they play. It is what it is. My heart always breaks when I hear Dr. Patel's last words and see her remains. She did her best to be a good LEADER but sometimes, things just don't work out. I always thought that they were Good scientists researching for a Cure instead of the Evil psychos in the CRM but I really like your idea that they were trying to make lab grown meat like we have IRL. Something bad happened, though. Whether it was an experiment gone wrong, the aftermath of someone succumbing to despair and ending things in a way that they'd Rise or even just a Herd at the wrong time, we don't know but it was nice to see signs of scientists who didn't opt out, become Dr. Frankensteins off a Perc, or get taken out ala The World Beyond Scene. One of the best and worst things about TWDU are the infinite possibilities of showing different ways survivors handle The Fall and The New World and I'd love a PROPER anthology series to explore them. Anyways, back to my parents LMAO! 1x04 was as flawless as a Simone Biles routine when it came to focusing on Rick and Michonne as individuals and as a couple. Their long Separation (caused by a thankfully dead thirsty, musty, genocidal heifer with a chopped cheese haircut...) took a heavy toll on them physically and emotionally. Initially, the building's collapse showed how their Bond had been frayed to the point of ruin but once they told their full truths, once they were on the same page again, it became a symbol of all of the defenses they came up with to survive without each other collapsing into dust, leaving them whole and while still having demons, stronger than they had ever been. It was so beautiful to see, especially knowing how it all ended. The Grimes Family is reunited and as safe as TWDU allows them to be. That's so cool! I haven't commented in a while but what I've said before still stands. I absolutely love your content because it's Nuanced and your dry humor is perfect for the subject matter. The fact that you're under 100K is shocking but as long as you keep doing what you're doing, your channel will blow up. I'm looking forward to whatever you decide to share with us next. Thanks for everything and Happy early Halloween! 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃
Is this some ai written word vomit? Wtf
Lol I ain't reading all that
Ai vommit this series was slop
Ethonal as fuel is smart as making a oil boiling system would create to much attentions and raiders
Will you cover the ovels? really interested in the history of the governor and his brother's group
Would definitely recommend doing this sorta series with environmental sterytelling but expanding it to the Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners occasionally since they've got quite a bit especially in the school and a bit even in the hospital if I remember right if that's possible
Its so horrendous what they did with the ones who live, first episode awesome until they killed okafor. After that it was a straight dropoff.
the poor Roomba... all those years of work... for NOTHING. (wanders off, Crying for Roomba-Kun)
Your channel is awesome you should look into game environment stories.
Can you explain the fall of Atlanta a bit?
No
It flew too close to the sun
General Sherman and his troops approached Atlanta, and once they entered the city, began to burn it to the ground. That's how Atlanta fell, in real life
@@mr.ryceguy6854 interesting
I’m not sure if this will happen in the channel but is there a possibility you do like what it stories like for example what if the governor wasn’t too far gone and join Rick’s gang I would like to see that in the channel
That would take some workshopping but I think it could be done when he's tired of E-stories
“What ifs” are a pretty saturated market when it comes to the walking dead, if I were to do that I think I’d more so like to explore what ifs in regards to fear if it didn’t get rebooted. But I’ll never say never!
I guess the ones in the lab suffocated due to a chemical spill probably
Wow 2 minutes ago is crazy
Thank you 🙏
Hope you enjoyed bro!
I cant help but notice the irony of them having an autonomous floor vaccuum machine, and using that 1990s screensaver on the PC 😆 person musta been cool as hell if they rock the past and present like that. Too bad they werent around in the future that is T.W.D.
But tbh I doubt it was starvation. The bodies are not remotely close to that malnourished. Im just keeping possibilities open. I think your on to something with the spilled look of fluids on their labcoats though. It could have even been infighting. Perhaps a fight broke out and the two started fighting, dead were flooding the building preventing escape to the vehicles, the original lead scientist offed herself mostly out of panic of the undead trying to swarm in, her only two other scientists at eachothers throats, the project dying off and hitting dead ends as they start to become hungry. A sad soul can kill quicker than a disease after all. Although if TWO scientists were dead, both with no visible physical wounds, only one could have been murdered, strangled if lack of physical signs is something to consider. God why am I so intrigued by this scenario 😆
really good
This was such a cool location in TOWL
I don't believe the people of Greenwood came from the colonies. I believe they started Greenwood before the zombie apocalypse. The note clearly said they wanted to live off the grid. Well, after the fall everyone was living off the grid. I believe they were a community of environmentalists who talked about living off the grid, and even had self sustaining tech, but like most environmentalists they preferred going to the grocery store rather than growing their own crops. After the fall, they realized they couldn't go to the grocery store anymore, and attempted to start growing their own crops, but they realized that this takes time, and they didn't have enough remaining food to consume while growing crops. So then residents of Greenwood started leaving for the various colonies. Some made it , and some didn't.
Another great environmental storytelling with great insight. Cause I have no idea what happened. lol
But that was a huge complex, do you think there was somebody left alive in that place? Not necessarily the original occupants but people who could have wandered in like Rick and Michonne.
It seems to me like that place was pretty unoccupied by the time they got there, but it’s totally possible looters could have discovered it at some point. Although judging by how clean everything still is I doubt it tbh
@ Thanks, Ty!
Do the red exit signs need power I though they are like a liquid light so they don’t go out even in emergency
I feel more bad for the little Roomba. poor little machine a sad loss for the world.
I think the place was founded pre-fall, sounds like a eco-commune (renewable energy, automation, lab development, hybrid vehicles) that was founded and built like minded people from Portland.
It would have been nice if they had more time to explore the complex
I really should be working on that essay I have due in 4 hours
Hope you got it done mate haha
@@Swell-Films Oh yeah I got it done
Kinda out there thought but Lashmi Patel has the same last name as Ash Patel from Daryl Dixon... Perhaps they're related somehow? 🤔
What happened? don’t take homemade molly at a rave in the apocalypse….
Niceeeeee
I stop watching around Carl dying I have genuinely no idea what’s happening
I think they used water accidentally contaminated by walkers
Is the walking dead worth watching?
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Roomba did nothing wrong why make more work for it
I swear twd can milk these places for a miniseries
Hang on .... a roomba wasn't even a thing when the Walking Dead aired? Lol
It actually was lol I had to search it up, but apparently they were on the market in 2002 and popularized by 2006
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The only reason people love this episode is cause Danai produced it wasn’t that good of episode and why wouldn’t they leave to find food and how did the helicopter crash don’t think Rick was flying the helicopter
Those who live was such a disappointment
I'm sorry but the CRM would have kicked these twos asses
Need a kit video for twd. (Your gear if you could choose)
This place was silly asf. Good vids thanks