2 Things I want to highlight / Correct: As @jens123able mentioned, "Wowsims exporter" the addon can help you instantly export your current gear and import it into the sim. Also Pokpoong, one of the original developers for the WoWSims project corrected me about the Current EP Value: "the Current EP values in the stat weights menu do not affect sim results in any way. Their only function is for calculating the EP values in the item selector menu to provide a very approximate sorting to the items. Updating the Current EP weights, either manually or by running the stat weights calculation, will change the sorting."
A worthy mention is that they made an addon called "wowsims exporter". With this you can export your current gear, and import it into the sim so you dont have to individually pick and choose each item slot's gear, gems and enchants.
Just an FYI, stat weights change depending on your current stat spread. So, if you are using PAWN or something like that, its advised to update your stat weights regularly so you don't really have to sim stuff in the middle of a raid to see if something is an upgrade.
I don’t know how to enter the proper stats for frost dk though. Can’t find anything about it online and when I tried to manually add the weights from wowhead it didn’t seem to work
@@minoxiis3419 you go to calculate stat weights in the sim and then click the little button to have the sim save them. Then when you go to change an item in the sim it uses those weights to show you the +/- dps. You can also copy those weights into pawn. Not exactly sure how to do that though but it should be pretty easy
On the back end of this, you can calculate both weights and current eps inside of the sim site and it will reflect better gear upgrades instead of using their base ep values which most likely aren’t accurate for your current set and it’s weights
I don't even play wow anymore but the dev throwing a tantrum over this video is ridiculous. Came here to watch the video so you can at least get the fraction of a penny from my view. Keep making videos like this! They're incredibly helpful and good devs will actually appreciate the exposure.
@@KarvidSR I’ve always felt weird about addon devs either asking for money or gatekeeping in some way. I don’t remember the guy who made Ask Mr Robot ever doing any of this lol
@@brandonkruse6412 Yeah you can feel wierd about it. But if they have a patreon where you dont have to if you dont want to, you can just ignore it. And its more wierd of you to be upset someone doing work wouldn't mind some donations. Complaining that Sarthe is making money of the devs works is just absurd. He is just promoting your addon and saying how good it is. He is not stealing your work, not making it his own.
@@KarvidSR I think you’re misunderstanding what I said. I don’t care if someone puts up a Patreon, but the payments need to be optional and you can’t get upset when someone makes content out of your work when your work is directly tied to Blizzard’s IP. I’m talking more so about things like RestedXP.
I wouldn't call the EP ranking for the gear a "bait" per se - more that it requires you to sim your own stat weights with your personal loadout, copying those custom stat weights to "current," AND you have to be aware of certain stat caps you have to maintain (i.e., hit). It can be very helpful for quickly comparing item slots that don't have hit, comparing a crit/haste vs haste/exp vs crit/exp item, etc... This will allow you to know which item is your biggest upgrade at a glance. Just requires general awareness, and not universally applicable (read: trinkets), but still helpful.
you dont ignore the EP values at all. he just doesnt know what hes talking about. you put in your gear. you calculate stat weights and copy them to the used values (as per instructions) then the sim will tell you what dps increase you might get from equipping that single piece. Its the absolute best way to tell what is an upgrade and what is not.
I don't know much about DK's but why does he have his higher damage weapon in his offhand? Is there like a talent that DK's get where they want to do that?
New to this tool , still learning , does this change our gears in game or do you upload an item into game wotlk classic once changes made , i dont know?
I’d also use WowSims Exporter Addon which works similar to simc in retail. Where you can upload what u wear what talent u have currently etc into wowsim without adjusting each parts. (Some items dont show up on wowsim like quest rewards)
Why dont i have icons on this site like Sarthe has ? Like no item icons its just empty black? I still can sim fine and find gear but not sure whats issue there
Hey was wondering i do see many bis lists recommending the meta gem with AP instead of the 21 crit rating and increased crit dmg, is that because there are no blue gem requeirements or ? Also see many ingame and even you on some builds runnign the "normal" crit rating plus dmg one. anyone know about this and why ?
Is three a way to sim lets say how long the fight is going to be to se how it affects dps? Playing as unholy dk where u Play around garg and Army snap is benefiting fast clear groups. Would be nice to see the point where fight is too long and no matter what you do you cant perform well and its is better to go for this example lets say as frost dk as the longer fight benefits frost more
A stupid question, I know, but is there an equivalent for healers? Most answers I hear is that there is not, but I'd love to be able to adjust my stat weights to get an idea of my current stats vs the different caps there are (haste / crit) for Pawn or similar addons. But getting these stat weights updated is where my problem lies :)
Problem with healers is the differentiere situations. There is no true BIS. Sometimes one item is better cause it’s perhaps a longer fight. While another item is better for a short fight etc
The sim is super good, but it does have quite a few bugs and flaws. For example it doesnt calculate your Hit correctly if talents only give a specific Hit type (I.E Hit to arcane spells only). It also weights GEMS incorrectly. It will often suggest Haste > SP gems for mage yet the SP is weigthed much more. THe sim even spits out lower numbers if you're haste gemmed vs SP, but it does still recomend haste > SP
Thanks for the amazing content like always, Sathe! My favorite video of yours was your how to parse as a Rogue on the bosses in BWL during Vanilla. Do you have any plans to release a video like that for Frost DK in Naxx? It would be very well received, I think.
NOOOOO! You glossed over the very important step of clicking the Stat Weight button and clicking calculate. This will calculate the exact stat weight for your current gear selected. Then, the item selections will be in correct upgrade order. If you don't do this, the the items are weighted as if you're not hit capped and will always tell you the HIT gear is an upgrade. Yes, you'll still need to run the Sim and make sure of each upgrade, but it makes it 1000x easier to determine which items might be actual upgrades at a glance.
Do you have contact to the developer of the simming site? I'd like to recommend a feature: stopping the sim. It often happens to me that I forgot to change something and I allways have a huge amount of iterations configured...
@@barial1 Your view is honestly stupid. Why is there a cancel button on the flight path in wow? Why are punchcards for programming not a thing anymore. Just because you do it right most of the time does not mean that mistakes do not happen...
somethings fucked for enha shaman. I get this is alpha but it seems like VERY not accurate. I am not even going to talk that with BiS i sumulate like 4k dps but i should loose much more dps while going 0 hit rating while i am geting more dps
You can’t sim your fire ele Snapshot which is a big part of the dmg if you use specific gear for a good snapshot it will sim worse while it would be more dps in reality. also lightbingboltweaving can’t calculate and even if the site could do that it’s impossible to always decide and react perfect when you cast at 2, 3 or 4 stacks while not fucking up your weapon swings… I use this sim for my Mage, rogue and warrior but for enhance it makes no sense imo
@@Tiemooo59 true, if I properly proc mirror + dying curse plus consumes and bl i can make my fire ele a fking beast, in that case mirror + dying curse is better them meteorite whetstone imho
@Sarthe Just and FYI. That website is garbage :D It doesn't take hit cap into account and the rotations it uses for most classes is very problematic including not counting global cooldown for some spells or doing the pre combat setup 10 seconds into a fight. I would recommend everybody steer clear from the site until it's properly updated.
Thank you for ruining this also, now the guy that made it is not updating it anymore. literally only subbed for the class deep dives because i enjoyed the listen while i farmed but now un subbing. RIP Firey weapon.
I just love how ppl actually thing they parse the same as a perfect sim😂. Hot damn im for minmaxing but half these loot goblins are going to quit in a month
Nice mention of the creator/developers of these sims, guess your just more worried about paying your rent then giving praise to people who created this for your uses. Grow up
Sorry a webpage with some "simulation" animation that does not even reach enough iterations is no simulation, it is an approximation based on best guesses aka a guesstimation. Sadly, SimulationCraft has no branch for classic so there really isn't a REAL simulator out there besides the outdated ClassicSim.
For example, if you ran a real simulator... your CPU would be pegged at 100% for an extended amount of time. Probably upwards of 15 minutes if you let it run through thousands of iterations. Anyway, the moral of the story is the differences are so minimal and you shouldn't be too bothered about the results. Nobody is going to fight for ten minutes, nobody is fighting Patchwerk and nobody is doing a helter skelter fight. Also, results from simulations (due to their high amount of iterations) smooth out any variability. Meaning they will devalue crit over haste on practically every fight and might even favor mana regen when this is completely unnecessary. I did this ten years ago, I would sim every gem with all the gear combinations to seek that +50DPS increase and then stomp away on a training dummy to see if I could get close to the simmed outcome... it is only really good rotation practice, the rest is a waste of time.
This is such a bad take. Yes wrath is extremely easy and one major way people find enjoyment in the game is by trying to push their dps to the max every week. Trying to set new personal bests and competing against other players. I ENJOY playing the game this way so please stop pushing this “min maxers ruin the game” narrative because it is complete and utter nonsense.
@@nizo2195 It's not nonsense at all. You guys are the people who don't invite someone because it's not a top tier dps. You only go with fully geared people. Asking in chat to be inspected before joining a group. Yes we all want to do the most damage me we can but when idiots like you start to be elitist then it fucks the game up. Same for retail. Some people don't even get an invite because they play a certain class. Players make the game toxic af.
2 Things I want to highlight / Correct: As @jens123able mentioned, "Wowsims exporter" the addon can help you instantly export your current gear and import it into the sim. Also Pokpoong, one of the original developers for the WoWSims project corrected me about the Current EP Value: "the Current EP values in the stat weights menu do not affect sim results in any way. Their only function is for calculating the EP values in the item selector menu to provide a very approximate sorting to the items. Updating the Current EP weights, either manually or by running the stat weights calculation, will change the sorting."
A worthy mention is that they made an addon called "wowsims exporter". With this you can export your current gear, and import it into the sim so you dont have to individually pick and choose each item slot's gear, gems and enchants.
nice yea that does save a bit of time that one thanks
this is the way!
Do you know how to use the Batch: Export bag items?
Also helpful to use the reference function underneath the calculated dps for easy reference in differences between gear
Just an FYI, stat weights change depending on your current stat spread. So, if you are using PAWN or something like that, its advised to update your stat weights regularly so you don't really have to sim stuff in the middle of a raid to see if something is an upgrade.
I don’t know how to enter the proper stats for frost dk though. Can’t find anything about it online and when I tried to manually add the weights from wowhead it didn’t seem to work
@@minoxiis3419 you go to calculate stat weights in the sim and then click the little button to have the sim save them. Then when you go to change an item in the sim it uses those weights to show you the +/- dps. You can also copy those weights into pawn. Not exactly sure how to do that though but it should be pretty easy
On the back end of this, you can calculate both weights and current eps inside of the sim site and it will reflect better gear upgrades instead of using their base ep values which most likely aren’t accurate for your current set and it’s weights
I don't even play wow anymore but the dev throwing a tantrum over this video is ridiculous. Came here to watch the video so you can at least get the fraction of a penny from my view.
Keep making videos like this! They're incredibly helpful and good devs will actually appreciate the exposure.
Idk why the dev just doesnt get a patrion or something and this video will just be free advertisment.
That dev gotta be dense AF.
@@KarvidSR I’ve always felt weird about addon devs either asking for money or gatekeeping in some way.
I don’t remember the guy who made Ask Mr Robot ever doing any of this lol
@@brandonkruse6412 Yeah you can feel wierd about it. But if they have a patreon where you dont have to if you dont want to, you can just ignore it. And its more wierd of you to be upset someone doing work wouldn't mind some donations.
Complaining that Sarthe is making money of the devs works is just absurd. He is just promoting your addon and saying how good it is.
He is not stealing your work, not making it his own.
@@KarvidSR I think you’re misunderstanding what I said. I don’t care if someone puts up a Patreon, but the payments need to be optional and you can’t get upset when someone makes content out of your work when your work is directly tied to Blizzard’s IP. I’m talking more so about things like RestedXP.
@@brandonkruse6412 Yeah I agree, my comment was more of a reiteration.
But I agree :)
I wouldn't call the EP ranking for the gear a "bait" per se - more that it requires you to sim your own stat weights with your personal loadout, copying those custom stat weights to "current," AND you have to be aware of certain stat caps you have to maintain (i.e., hit). It can be very helpful for quickly comparing item slots that don't have hit, comparing a crit/haste vs haste/exp vs crit/exp item, etc... This will allow you to know which item is your biggest upgrade at a glance.
Just requires general awareness, and not universally applicable (read: trinkets), but still helpful.
I want to copy and paste from the in game addon to the website but copy and paste doesn't seem to be an option in game.
Thank you for letting us know to ignore the EP values, just discovered 200 dps but going with other options.
Hope to see more content soon
you dont ignore the EP values at all. he just doesnt know what hes talking about. you put in your gear. you calculate stat weights and copy them to the used values (as per instructions) then the sim will tell you what dps increase you might get from equipping that single piece. Its the absolute best way to tell what is an upgrade and what is not.
I don't know much about DK's but why does he have his higher damage weapon in his offhand? Is there like a talent that DK's get where they want to do that?
Anyone else having an issue where the simulator is incorrectly calculating hit rating totals? what is the deal with that?
New to this tool , still learning , does this change our gears in game or do you upload an item into game wotlk classic once changes made , i dont know?
I’d also use WowSims Exporter Addon which works similar to simc in retail. Where you can upload what u wear what talent u have currently etc into wowsim without adjusting each parts. (Some items dont show up on wowsim like quest rewards)
That's what im looking for, i have the addon but i can't find the command.
Since a couple of days the simulator keeps crashing and reloading due to an “error”. Does anyone experiences the same behavior?
Why dont i have icons on this site like Sarthe has ? Like no item icons its just empty black? I still can sim fine and find gear but not sure whats issue there
Hey was wondering i do see many bis lists recommending the meta gem with AP instead of the 21 crit rating and increased crit dmg, is that because there are no blue gem requeirements or ? Also see many ingame and even you on some builds runnign the "normal" crit rating plus dmg one. anyone know about this and why ?
Under stat weights, do we need to calculate them before we export to pawn? Or just import our gear and export the stat weights it shows there?
Would love a guide on how to properly do the stat weights!
Yo is the Website down right now? Cause I cant load anything at all.
Is three a way to sim lets say how long the fight is going to be to se how it affects dps? Playing as unholy dk where u Play around garg and Army snap is benefiting fast clear groups. Would be nice to see the point where fight is too long and no matter what you do you cant perform well and its is better to go for this example lets say as frost dk as the longer fight benefits frost more
wowsims refuses to load on chrome for me for some reason. Tried clearing cache, incognito mode, etc and it only loads in firefox
You might have some setting disabled. I use Chrome and it runs without issue.
There is literally no option for me to equip gear in wowsims for weeks now. Gearslots are just empty and when I click on it nothing happens.
Have you tried clearing cache and cookies or using a different browser?
A stupid question, I know, but is there an equivalent for healers?
Most answers I hear is that there is not, but I'd love to be able to adjust my stat weights to get an idea of my current stats vs the different caps there are (haste / crit) for Pawn or similar addons.
But getting these stat weights updated is where my problem lies :)
Problem with healers is the differentiere situations. There is no true BIS. Sometimes one item is better cause it’s perhaps a longer fight. While another item is better for a short fight etc
it doesnt show the 85 AP enchant ....
simple and easy to use, enjoy this sim site
The sim is super good, but it does have quite a few bugs and flaws. For example it doesnt calculate your Hit correctly if talents only give a specific Hit type (I.E Hit to arcane spells only). It also weights GEMS incorrectly. It will often suggest Haste > SP gems for mage yet the SP is weigthed much more. THe sim even spits out lower numbers if you're haste gemmed vs SP, but it does still recomend haste > SP
Hey so.. if I sim my gear and its suggesting I'm doing 1k less dps than my ingame stats does it mean I'm bad at my class?
it depends. i would guess your settings in the sim just dont represent whats really happening in game
Thanks for the amazing content like always, Sathe! My favorite video of yours was your how to parse as a Rogue on the bosses in BWL during Vanilla. Do you have any plans to release a video like that for Frost DK in Naxx? It would be very well received, I think.
Stats is short for statistics......
WTB heal simulators?
NOOOOO! You glossed over the very important step of clicking the Stat Weight button and clicking calculate. This will calculate the exact stat weight for your current gear selected. Then, the item selections will be in correct upgrade order. If you don't do this, the the items are weighted as if you're not hit capped and will always tell you the HIT gear is an upgrade. Yes, you'll still need to run the Sim and make sure of each upgrade, but it makes it 1000x easier to determine which items might be actual upgrades at a glance.
Do you have contact to the developer of the simming site? I'd like to recommend a feature: stopping the sim. It often happens to me that I forgot to change something and I allways have a huge amount of iterations configured...
seems like you just need to slow down and he doesnt have to change his website lol
@@jesseeee7 You have no Idea of a user friendly ui huh?
just do it right the first time
@@barial1 Your view is honestly stupid. Why is there a cancel button on the flight path in wow? Why are punchcards for programming not a thing anymore. Just because you do it right most of the time does not mean that mistakes do not happen...
@@tobiaskogler3591 Could just close and reopen the page as a workaround. How many iterations are you doing? 3000 takes literally 15 sec or so.
somethings fucked for enha shaman. I get this is alpha but it seems like VERY not accurate. I am not even going to talk that with BiS i sumulate like 4k dps but i should loose much more dps while going 0 hit rating while i am geting more dps
For dk frost and assa its seems pretty good i guess enhancement shaman is hard to program well ?
For my enhance gear im simming 6.8k dps. Something must be off with your settings or there is another issue goin on.
You can’t sim your fire ele Snapshot which is a big part of the dmg if you use specific gear for a good snapshot it will sim worse while it would be more dps in reality. also lightbingboltweaving can’t calculate and even if the site could do that it’s impossible to always decide and react perfect when you cast at 2, 3 or 4 stacks while not fucking up your weapon swings… I use this sim for my Mage, rogue and warrior but for enhance it makes no sense imo
@@Tiemooo59 true, if I properly proc mirror + dying curse plus consumes and bl i can make my fire ele a fking beast, in that case mirror + dying curse is better them meteorite whetstone imho
Wish you would focus on hunters more 😢 there isnt really anyone now that does good videos on them.
So you should not get baited by the EP +- but go for the BiS that is decided by the EP +- KEKW
thanks for making this sim and the guide Sarthe, you are the greatest and most humble person of the Classic Community!
Sarthe didnt make the sim. Its shameful he didn't credit any of the actual hard working people who provided this to the community.
Are there any healer sims?
Great…now blizzard is going to nerf the sim 😒
Kidding of course, great video as always 😂
Can you please credit the creators of wowsim. They put alot of effort into those sims and never asked for donations.
@Sarthe Just and FYI. That website is garbage :D It doesn't take hit cap into account and the rotations it uses for most classes is very problematic including not counting global cooldown for some spells or doing the pre combat setup 10 seconds into a fight. I would recommend everybody steer clear from the site until it's properly updated.
Thank you for ruining this also, now the guy that made it is not updating it anymore. literally only subbed for the class deep dives because i enjoyed the listen while i farmed but now un subbing. RIP Firey weapon.
I just love how ppl actually thing they parse the same as a perfect sim😂. Hot damn im for minmaxing but half these loot goblins are going to quit in a month
Might be worth giving a shoutout to the person who made the site :^)
the dude is weird af
@@Thiccems69 so?
The least you can do is give credits of the sim devs they working their ass on it all day
Nice mention of the creator/developers of these sims, guess your just more worried about paying your rent then giving praise to people who created this for your uses. Grow up
Sorry a webpage with some "simulation" animation that does not even reach enough iterations is no simulation, it is an approximation based on best guesses aka a guesstimation.
Sadly, SimulationCraft has no branch for classic so there really isn't a REAL simulator out there besides the outdated ClassicSim.
For example, if you ran a real simulator... your CPU would be pegged at 100% for an extended amount of time. Probably upwards of 15 minutes if you let it run through thousands of iterations.
Anyway, the moral of the story is the differences are so minimal and you shouldn't be too bothered about the results. Nobody is going to fight for ten minutes, nobody is fighting Patchwerk and nobody is doing a helter skelter fight.
Also, results from simulations (due to their high amount of iterations) smooth out any variability. Meaning they will devalue crit over haste on practically every fight and might even favor mana regen when this is completely unnecessary.
I did this ten years ago, I would sim every gem with all the gear combinations to seek that +50DPS increase and then stomp away on a training dummy to see if I could get close to the simmed outcome... it is only really good rotation practice, the rest is a waste of time.
Sim ruins the game. Congratz you now play an arcade game.
Then don't use it
No.
You dont have to sim anything. Just be content being bad. But I'm guessing you dont want to be content, you want to be mad.
@@xXPsyanideXx lol ofcourse that comment was made by a zoomer with xX before and after his name
and you’re green parsing, so it’s clearly not meant for you
Now I see the problem with the game. People trying to max so bad instead of enjoying the game. Wrath is old and easy ad. Just enjoy the game
This is such a bad take. Yes wrath is extremely easy and one major way people find enjoyment in the game is by trying to push their dps to the max every week. Trying to set new personal bests and competing against other players. I ENJOY playing the game this way so please stop pushing this “min maxers ruin the game” narrative because it is complete and utter nonsense.
@@nizo2195 It's not nonsense at all. You guys are the people who don't invite someone because it's not a top tier dps. You only go with fully geared people. Asking in chat to be inspected before joining a group. Yes we all want to do the most damage me we can but when idiots like you start to be elitist then it fucks the game up. Same for retail. Some people don't even get an invite because they play a certain class. Players make the game toxic af.
Maybe that's how the people here enjoy the game. GTFO with your wannabe cool attitude