The real issue in the OCG

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  • @bballhunter2988
    @bballhunter2988 13 годин тому +122

    Scythe is such a toxic card, I don't care how it was not used before, card should have been banned a long time ago simply to avoid scenarios like this.

    • @MarioLopez-xs3vc
      @MarioLopez-xs3vc 13 годин тому +13

      Bystials getting free material from both popping it and the setup for it is why that combo lost traction. But that's also why people are setting up Sanctum directly instead now with either Thrust or 4 Mat Alembertian.

    • @Elystal
      @Elystal 12 годин тому +3

      I guess the logic is that it gets stopped by too many cards that the OCG were main decking already
      but, no one will complain if they ban it in the next banlist

    • @seph2686
      @seph2686 9 годин тому

      Exactly both scythe and lancea are as bad as each other always added into mid range or combo decks on top of a board just toxic af

    • @Od9189
      @Od9189 9 годин тому +4

      Nah sycthe is cool

  • @LS-qs9ju
    @LS-qs9ju 13 годин тому +47

    When you look at the OCG history, it's kinda hilarious how they switch into locks when the power level becomes lower. Like, in tier zero or strong tier one situation, they didn't do this as those strong deck was strong enough to make the lock doesn't happen.

  • @rei_lyy
    @rei_lyy 12 годин тому +90

    Remember when Sythe, IO, and Mystic Mine were all legal in the same format and everyone hated it ?
    I love that one of these cards is still not banned because it didn't "win enough"
    we complain a lot in the TCG for good reasons a lot of the time but jesus idk how OCG players put up with this shit.

    • @dudeman209
      @dudeman209 11 годин тому +24

      Fuwalos is $10 in the OCG and $150 in the TCG. That's why they put up with it.

    • @verbalengine95
      @verbalengine95 11 годин тому +4

      Oh well you see, because it didn't win enough 🙂
      Now that it's winning yeah go ahead and hit it, but if a card with toxic implications doesn't see play or doesn't see success; it's exactly as much of a problem as an LOB vanilla
      The playerbase isn't really capable of coming up with a criteria for what makes a card banworthy based on design alone, so going by results is the best way to do it

    • @hurrdurrmurrgurr
      @hurrdurrmurrgurr 10 годин тому +8

      @@verbalengine95 Well you see you only occasionally auto lose to harpie's feather storm, ghost meets girl, or kali yuga so it's completely fine to turn up for a game only to have your time wasted. Now if your time was being wasted a lot more often for several months straight in tournaments then it would be a problem. Wait, why are our player numbers dropping?
      I swear yugioh players are incapable of empathy, hopefully with the falling tcg numbers and rise of one piece in the ocg, Konami will be forced to course correct from this, "it only deserves banning once it gets to ruin at least one format, as a treat" mindset.

    • @four-en-tee
      @four-en-tee 10 годин тому +1

      @@verbalengine95 Ideally, Konami would just have an idea of what cards are considered "unhealthy" for the game and would just ban those if the player base had too much of an issue with it. I can understand trying to sell a card and waiting to ban it if its too new, but something like Scythe in this context has been out for a while. And in the case of the TCG: something like Sanctifire or Jowgen has been out for a while (and i guess we can throw Thunder King Rai-Oh into this discussion now too because of Bao, though a more realistic problem card would probably be something like Chaos Hunter).
      But that's not what Konami does. They just want to make the game only more and more crazy, and its just not a sustainable strategy. I started in 2021, but from what I understand, this game has regularly been on the verge of breaking ever since Firewall Dragon.
      That all being said: Ryzeal seems like a fairly healthy deck.

    • @jayoodyang747
      @jayoodyang747 6 годин тому +1

      Ryzael feels very similar to when Unchained was the top/most piloted deck. And it feels like that was the last format that was healthy

  • @DAdem
    @DAdem 12 годин тому +25

    Why is the music so menacing bro like wtf it feels like we are waiting for the arrival of the end but at the same time you SAY "it looks like a fine moment "

    • @IAngelofFuryI
      @IAngelofFuryI 12 годин тому +5

      It's Resident Evil safe room music.

    • @MasterDecoy1W
      @MasterDecoy1W 3 години тому

      In the context of the tense atmosphere of the videogame, it is a nice respite. Out of context, it just sounds creepy.

  • @hoshi314
    @hoshi314 8 годин тому +11

    From a Ryzeal player :
    1. 7th tachyon's issue from the get go is the target range is too large, from the reveal alone it was known that xyz decks is going to play this as a mandatory searcher and Stun decks will also search it not to mention the stun janky tech cards.
    2. Ultimate Slayer vs ryzeal is normally done to kick Deadnader off the field. apparently the endboard is Duodrive, Deadnader, and 1 extra according to the needs and normally it is Dugares and they rely on HT and set cards along with Deadnader to disrupt opponents

    • @mochammadimanfahri7112
      @mochammadimanfahri7112 4 години тому +1

      fr, seventh tachyon is the main cause why ryzeal is so consistent and sometimes be annoying. Also i think that either limiting seventh or ex ryzeal can balance ryzeal power in the meta

    • @hoshi314
      @hoshi314 4 години тому

      @@mochammadimanfahri7112 the question back then was what about the C numbers, now that the C numbers are legal cost to reveal that opened up a lot of unpleasant targets. Hell the normal numbers alone already opens up targets for Stun players primarily :
      Giant Hand for fossil dyna
      Masquerade/Star Seraph for Boarder
      And let's not forget the barrier statues

    • @prime3389
      @prime3389 3 години тому

      the main thing to note with slayer is that it only handles the endboard if you send the cyberse xyz that negates a card upon being sent to the grave

    • @hoshi314
      @hoshi314 3 години тому

      @@prime3389 which is aggregator, even in mirror too

  • @glrbrasil
    @glrbrasil 12 годин тому +31

    If you look at the decklists it’s very simple to spot the problem cards: lancea, scythe, maxx c, barrier, shifter, etc. People are so used to be turn skipped they’re starting to defend these things. For instance we don’t even complain about Bagooska, even though it literally skips a turn.

    • @Elystal
      @Elystal 12 годин тому +15

      Bagooska is fine if Winda is fine
      you can say they’re both not fine, I won’t defend them

    • @matija5748
      @matija5748 11 годин тому +16

      ​@@Elystalneither is fine winda should have been banned years ago idk why it's still legal.

    • @babrad
      @babrad 11 годин тому +13

      ​@@Elystalyou can add Dweller to this party as well

    • @glrbrasil
      @glrbrasil 10 годин тому +9

      Dweller, Winda and Bagooska could all be banned and the game would only improve

    • @stinkyboy101
      @stinkyboy101 10 годин тому

      Bagooska is fine. Someone called it the modern day swords of revealing light and that seems like a fair comparison

  • @RoyaltonDrummer922
    @RoyaltonDrummer922 12 годин тому +22

    It’s insane how much of an OCG deck is devoted to the Maxx C/Fuwaross/Ash mini game

    • @Elystal
      @Elystal 11 годин тому +8

      If the good decks in OCG/MD are more or less the same ones that perform well in the TCG, Maxx C didn’t “keep the meta in check” like a lot of Maxx C defenders claimed
      But also to think the other way around, banning Maxx C won’t make the OCG/MD meta any “healthier” than what it is now imo

    • @mmlaughing6458
      @mmlaughing6458 11 годин тому

      @@Elystal Well, to your statements unhit Unchained and maybe Infernoble with Isolde available should have been on top meta in MD and OCG but no it did not, all bcs it can not play through Maxx C.
      So Maxx C does stop some meta decks and warps the format.

  • @galaxydragon8326
    @galaxydragon8326 9 годин тому +5

    it seems circular wasnt the problem, JOSH HATES TERAHERTZ AND CIRCULAR TOOK THE SHOT

    • @Gilgamesh-em6ru
      @Gilgamesh-em6ru 2 години тому

      OCG most likely doesn't play Circular in the Maliss deck since the extra deck is really tight. this is one of the only Cyberse decks in a long time that actually has their own good extra deck monsters so they use that instead of relying on the generic cyberse ones. only problem it still has to overcome is Cyberse still has no way to negate nibiru.

  • @xmangle5382
    @xmangle5382 10 годин тому +3

    We arguably have the same stuff here in TCG, you might want to try to convince me why shifter and fuwaross are not turn skippers

  • @trippersigs2248
    @trippersigs2248 12 годин тому +7

    This is so funny after the last video on the main channel.

  • @obskewerd3992
    @obskewerd3992 7 годин тому +2

    I use Melffy Tearlaments to summon Grapha. Melffy searches Neko Mane King. Turn skip.
    I did this like 50 times in the most recent duelest cup.
    Why is that not talked about more? I cant be the first person to realise how easy that is to pull off

  • @vampireguy92ryan81
    @vampireguy92ryan81 8 годин тому +2

    Its wild how the ocg has so many cards for turn skips... they said maxx c was a deterrent and yet they made 3 more and still kept maxx c in game. Too many decks also play like 15+ non engine which is like smh..

  • @greg0998
    @greg0998 12 годин тому +5

    the ost of a funeral hits again

  • @ImJordan
    @ImJordan 11 годин тому +4

    Fuck the Yugioh stuff, RE2 save room music is goated.

  • @wardy4903
    @wardy4903 12 годин тому +11

    Lol of course the ocg let a turn skip stick around and printed a spell card that searches it and now its killing their meta. Search sycthe, search lancea, shifter and a billion maxx Cs. What a fun game where players take turns not playing.

  • @mickjaegar2379
    @mickjaegar2379 3 години тому +1

    4:33 Is there some reason why OCG is still playing Donner as a generic link 2?

  • @esrohm6460
    @esrohm6460 11 годин тому +2

    it realy is crazy to me how we are in a world where people are turn skipping turbo and plan b is often plan a for the best deck that lab isn't doing better. you would assume the deck that can play all these cards while being either not all all or limited affected

  • @Killerrrb
    @Killerrrb 6 годин тому +2

    Artifact Lancea is perfectly fine. You can’t have cards to counter everything except the grave yard lol

    • @chaotixthefox
      @chaotixthefox 6 годин тому

      Lancea doesn't counter the GY.

    • @Killerrrb
      @Killerrrb 3 години тому

      Not specifically I guess but it can hurt decks that send from GY to banish

  • @FakeHeroFang
    @FakeHeroFang 10 годин тому +1

    Scythe is also still legal in MD, but nobody is playing it for whatever reason. It's just hanging out in the shadows until the new thing that can abuse it comes around.

    • @Test-mq8ih
      @Test-mq8ih 5 годин тому +1

      Same thing with Skill Drain

    • @林承緒-p2e
      @林承緒-p2e 2 години тому +1

      You need a way to pop scythe to use it , not many meta decks have that in the extra deck.

  • @GlacierMoonDragon
    @GlacierMoonDragon 7 годин тому +3

    If one card combos exist, they should probably add more locks/gates to ED monsters, so something like a ED lock isn't as toxic and not a instant scoop.

  • @Confiant.Twitch
    @Confiant.Twitch 13 годин тому +4

    If someone shifter’s you turn 1 and you chain Artifact Lancea, what happens? Does Lancea protect cards for a turn or no?
    Alternatively, if someone shifter’s you and you chain Belle, what happens? Shifter is negated or am I wrong?

    • @carloscano2003
      @carloscano2003 13 годин тому +8

      Shifter itself is not banishing anything so belle don't a have anything to do against shifter
      Lancea on the other hand, DON'T always beat Do, so for that turn that Lancea was used, cards will not be banished

    • @SolarFlareWings
      @SolarFlareWings 13 годин тому +15

      Lancea will effectively turn off Shifter for the turn. Shifter's effect tries to banish cards, but cannot due to Lancea's effect. You also can't chain Belle to Shifter. Shifter doesn't banish cards from the GY.

    • @askashirayuki6765
      @askashirayuki6765 13 годин тому +12

      You can only use Lancea during your opponents turn.

    • @MarioLopez-xs3vc
      @MarioLopez-xs3vc 13 годин тому +1

      Lancea is only usable on the Player's Turn, so you'd have to Lancea during the opponents' first turn in that scenario. Lancea only needs to tribute to activate its effect(and can do so from the hand or field so you can pop it from back row if Shifter isn't already up), so it can shut off banishes even after Shifter's effect is up, only Lancea will get banished in that case as its effect is a lingering restriction to shut off all forms of Banishment for the turn, but it has to tribute itself for cost first.
      Ghost Belle negates card activations, so it can't be used against a lingering replacement effect that's already active. Shifter also doesn't directly interact with the GY so I don't think it can be chained to the activation either.

    • @mochammadimanfahri7112
      @mochammadimanfahri7112 4 години тому

      -On Turn 1, cards are sent to the GY. on Turn 2, cards goes banished instead. Turn 3 shifter lingering is gone
      (just note that lancea can not be used on your turn)
      -Belle can not negate Shifter, since Shifter does not have interaction w/ the GY

  • @heulg.darian2536
    @heulg.darian2536 33 хвилини тому

    I mean yes that sucks, but I think MD won't care about it as much. I can see people main decking scythe, cause we are insane. But the lack of side deck makes me think that we won't have the D-barrier issue unless it's in the form of something like thrust. Even lancea might not see play considering that there have been plenty of formats where decks wanted to banish, but that might be because they weren't completely turn skipped by a lancea. The traps are also partially because of fuwaloss and co, I assume purillia isn't doing much to either deck since it's not side decked.
    Will see how it goes, we still have a fiendschmidt format to go through. And in 2 days we will learn how boned we are, cause closed moon is ominous but there are 13 more URs in that pack that can dictate the power level of the format.

  • @comettcg8830
    @comettcg8830 Годину тому

    ocg player here and I think ocg will hit the floodgates on next list. imho OCG would not hit a deck to make it not able to perform its intended play, hence they do consistency hit a lot, so that the deck might function but just less frequently. While slotting floodgates that doesn't really intended to be the plan, they might hit it, like calamity on centurion as recent example. Hopefully that's the case bcs aside than that at least it's a fresh air after long period of snake eyes

  • @arrownoir
    @arrownoir 12 годин тому +5

    Turn skips are always great*
    Maxx C, rollback, puppet etc…
    Isn’t yugioh grand?

    • @ASoldierify
      @ASoldierify 12 годин тому +7

      Didn't know rollback said skip your opponent turn on its card text.

    • @arrownoir
      @arrownoir 12 годин тому +6

      @@ASoldierify It might as well. It’s a huge middle finger either way. Who needs floodgates on the board when you can just trigger them from the GY for free?

    • @WolfPackAlpha-sn2sw
      @WolfPackAlpha-sn2sw 12 годин тому +3

      @@arrownoirall the trap floodgates are continuous, which makes them invalid targets for Rollback.

    • @guillermoandresramirezvera2899
      @guillermoandresramirezvera2899 12 годин тому +4

      ​@@WolfPackAlpha-sn2sw D Barrier?

    • @arrownoir
      @arrownoir 8 годин тому +2

      @@WolfPackAlpha-sn2sw Not all floodgates are continuous traps. The Shiranui trap being the main example.

  • @bouldergeist2501
    @bouldergeist2501 10 годин тому +1

    Do someone have the superhevy samurai snake eye T.G. list?

  • @Alex-Omega
    @Alex-Omega 7 годин тому

    I wonder if Ryzeal would be so dominant without the Scythe Lock. Could be a completly different format in the TCG as theres no Scythe here

    • @Elystal
      @Elystal Годину тому

      Ryzeal will still be great without scythe

  • @silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430
    @silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430 9 годин тому

    Tinfoil take: floodgates and turn skips are Konami's version of the 4 turn rule

  • @Dylligraphy
    @Dylligraphy 7 годин тому

    The OCG has issues? I thought it was terrific because Sunny said so anyway Maxx C, response?

  • @P4brotagonist
    @P4brotagonist 13 годин тому +3

    Editor, can we please stop using the safe room for Resident Evil? I hear it and get anxiety every time lol

  • @whiteshadow2535
    @whiteshadow2535 11 годин тому

    Josh should try maliss salamangreat. It seems more fun to me and could be up his alley

  • @lordofcrows
    @lordofcrows 7 годин тому

    Wait, Scythe is still legal in OCG?

  • @mariorovira3639
    @mariorovira3639 8 годин тому

    Ocg really hates backrow decks since they have harpys plus heavy and red reboot legal

  • @RayquaSr.
    @RayquaSr. 7 годин тому

    Fing love fibrax scythe format. Gotta be my favorite gender.

  • @RtGem
    @RtGem 12 годин тому +4

    I would argue that summon limit is a bigger problem tbh. The thing is so cancerous and is a lot easier to pull off mostly. But ye scythe is a Bad card design, who tf thought a searchable floodgate would be good for anything?

    • @Elystal
      @Elystal 12 годин тому +3

      summon limit, like most other trap floodgates, is hardly searchable, whereas scythe is not

    • @RtGem
      @RtGem 11 годин тому

      @@Elystal brother, first of all trap decks exist. Second of all idc about that its searchable, i care that all you need to do is activate the card and win. Whereas with scythe you need to pop it aswell. Both are shitty and should be banned

    • @babrad
      @babrad 11 годин тому +2

      ​@@RtGemthe bigger issue of Summon Limit etc is the fact modern decks have been able to turn it on/off on demand, never getting punished for having their board broken then being forced to play under their own floodgate

    • @Elystal
      @Elystal 11 годин тому

      @@RtGem to be fair both should be banned bc who likes floodgates, I’m just saying summon limit is not “a bigger problem” than scythe

    • @Elystal
      @Elystal 11 годин тому

      @@RtGem also the best splashable and viable way to search any continuous trap that i can think of is LotHP or four mat Alembertian, which are both not very good

  • @tariqmcmaster8668
    @tariqmcmaster8668 11 годин тому +4

    Maliss is much weaker in the ocg without apollousa. The deck doesn’t have a way to play around nib. So it’s end board is the same as the salad end board.
    Nib token.

    • @ryuuohdeltaplus7936
      @ryuuohdeltaplus7936 9 годин тому +4

      Wdym Apollousa is legal in the OCG

    • @Ghostavrrr
      @Ghostavrrr 8 годин тому +5

      Apolo is legal in OCG

    • @seph2686
      @seph2686 8 годин тому +1

      Exactly ^ it's only tcg that has banned Apollo usa

    • @tariqmcmaster8668
      @tariqmcmaster8668 2 години тому

      @@Ghostavrrr typo, I meant TCG :p

    • @tariqmcmaster8668
      @tariqmcmaster8668 2 години тому

      @@ryuuohdeltaplus7936 typo. Meant TCG :p

  • @Wanderer-th4tt
    @Wanderer-th4tt 7 годин тому

    What's the bgm 😭

  • @tommasopenati9635
    @tommasopenati9635 13 годин тому +4

    I agree with Josh, no idea why the deck is almost T0 because its end board is nothing crazy and one ultimate slayer or flying c stops the deck completely

    • @truekingofallgeneraiders
      @truekingofallgeneraiders 12 годин тому +3

      They pass through Flying C and Contact C by negating it's effects with aggregator or by sending it with node.

    • @FujisakiChihiro55
      @FujisakiChihiro55 12 годин тому +7

      You know people talking out of their a*s when they think Flying C can stop Ryzeal.
      Ultimate Slayer does counter it hard tho but that's where the 20+ non-engine and/or floodgates in their deck is for.

    • @Elystal
      @Elystal 12 годин тому +2

      Ryzeal is good because they can cram in a lot of hand traps

    • @UncleJrueForTue
      @UncleJrueForTue 7 годин тому

      You'd agree with Josh if he had released a video saying the opposite about the OCG.

  • @FGj-xj7rd
    @FGj-xj7rd 13 годин тому +5

    That line in the article is pure comedy for the wrong reasons.
    OCG is the mother lode of misery.

  • @CorporateGreebo
    @CorporateGreebo 13 годин тому +11

    If we are accepting one cards as the new standard going forward, can we get Circular back? It doesnt do nearly what the recent ones do now

    • @porgeporgeporge
      @porgeporgeporge 12 годин тому +17

      no

    • @arrownoir
      @arrownoir 12 годин тому +6

      Hell no. That card needs to be banned forever.

    • @ZEDEX252
      @ZEDEX252 4 години тому

      Okay i'm kinda late to the party. What the hell did circular DO anyway?

    • @arrownoir
      @arrownoir 3 години тому

      @@ZEDEX252 A card that tells you you need 3 handtraps to stop a deck before they even use their normal summon is nonsense.

    • @braddcyr6071
      @braddcyr6071 8 хвилин тому

      No lol circular makes both maliss and ryzael stronger lol

  • @l.apastore4208
    @l.apastore4208 7 годин тому

    They abusing my mizael tachyon cards. Ffs. Ish gonna be banned before it even arrives in md

  • @katzuma7641
    @katzuma7641 13 годин тому +4

    Please react to the new arcana force cards joshie

    • @RoseDragon112
      @RoseDragon112 13 годин тому +5

      He did already in one of the vods on his vod channel. It's the most recent wheel vod I think.

    • @katzuma7641
      @katzuma7641 13 годин тому +1

      @@RoseDragon112 ooo gotcha thanks

  • @verbalengine95
    @verbalengine95 11 годин тому

    Isn't Fuwaros basically just a scythe lock?

  • @Senshi00
    @Senshi00 10 годин тому +1

    Leave our floodgates alone

  • @cbpprophet
    @cbpprophet 8 годин тому

    Yugioh needs a new rule. Everyone needs 2 separate decks. One for going first and one deck for going 2nd.

  • @Elystal
    @Elystal 12 годин тому +3

    I hate how some TCG players without playing OCG at all love to shit on OCG for I don’t know why, like just stop whining about a game that you’re not even playing

    • @Elystal
      @Elystal 11 годин тому +2

      To be more clear there’s nothing wrong about analyzing an OCG meta report, but when people saying stuff like OCG is unplayable or OCG’s current list is trash is too much

    • @vitortakara7090
      @vitortakara7090 11 годин тому +8

      they complain a lot bcz they will have to play that format in a couple of months, not only that, the bigger problem is when they have really strong cards and instead of banning then they design around them while those cards are banned on tcg making decks that were okish there completely broken on tcg, though i only play md it's not like i don't feel the ocg seep into the format really hard

    • @Elystal
      @Elystal 11 годин тому +4

      @@vitortakara7090 they are now complaining on OCG player’s behalf about Scythe and Maxx C, cards that will never be a problem for them in the foreseeable future

  • @janehrahan5116
    @janehrahan5116 9 годин тому +2

    The real issue is not enough Raye support.

  • @CrisRullz
    @CrisRullz 12 годин тому

    but but yu-gi-oh is healed with churmy's release and snake eyes dead i thought 🤡🤡