I made one of these pantorouters a few years ago based on Matthias' plans. It cuts joints I never dared undertake previously. Compound angle finger joints + mortise and tenons, odd shaped tenons, etc. It gets used almost every project. I had a similar idea of putting a router at the 'middle' of a pantograph before, which led me to finding this invention. Matthias just nailed it. Every aspect of this machine is very well-engineered. I recommend buying the plans. Bravo Matthias.
finger per finger, dovetails are stronger. But box joints are so much easier to cut, you just add more fingers, and you can go finer than dovetails. So box joints can be stronger. That said, if you get things wet and dry a lot, and the glue fails, the dovetail wins because it holds, at least in one direction, even without glue.
Matthias, I am always impressed with your work and certainly the electrical transformer tutorial which I passed onto my younger mechanics. Waiting for more to keep me young in mind too.
You rock dude!!! I can't believe I just found your site and videos, but better late than never I guess. Your videos inspire the inventor/engineer in me. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and passion with us!
Ce type est une véritable mine d'idées et comme il est particulièrement précis dans ce qu'il réalise, cela donne des résultats absolument formidables. 1000 bravos et grand merci !
The cost for parts to build this machine is right around $50 without the router. I built it and can attest to the fact that it is quite easy to operate and does exactly as expected. I have retired my mortise machine now that I have this one.
Fantastic equipment. You is very close to be a crase woodwork man. Very congratulations. I leave in Brazil I play with wood a little bit. 72 years old is too much to do this work . Regards. Beni
I have been thinking about making a pantograph to make gears. Catch is, you'd still need to make a gear to trace out with it, just that you could make the pattern bigger, and copy it many times. But usually I just need one or two gears, and those are so quick to cut on the bandsaw that I consider this to be a solved problem. I have a video on making gears already.
There is something that you can't do? hahaha your mind never stop! Is amazing your creativity! Thanks for share all the greats thing you can do! Greetings from Argentina. PS: If you can do, put spanish subtitules and you will gain all the public of Latin America and more! Thanks!
Hey Matthias, I have a good idea!! Route the straight slots into the back half of the V notched board. They would line up perfectly and be a single unit :-)
Isn't it always a good idea to let the joins stick out a bit? Both the tails and slots in this case.. You could always sand them down, but you can't sand them up if you made them to small ; ) I Just love this machine! Your other creations are great too, but this one is.. Just.. Amazing! And it has a super epic name!! One could easily use that name for some crazy device in a Sci-Fi movie ; )
Several reasons. First, a multi-router does many of the same tasks, as well as angled and compound joinery, without requiring any templates. Second, a dovetail jig is much faster in a production shop (time is money). Third, they do make pantograph router jigs, they're normally used in sign making.
impressive. question, does the machine become less accurate the more you use it because it's made of wood? are there any parts that you feel would be better if they where metal? really enjoy these videos and the ingenuity. thanks for sharing. I'm impressed!
The nice thing is that, with such 2 x (or more depending on the pantograph) larger templates, you have more precision !! nice trick, Knapp joints are maybe directly possible with an adapted double template (dont do circles, but waves likes ?)
I find myself watching this machine work and wondering what sort of dovetail results you could get on it using your screw advance box joint jig instead of a template. Love the machines, Matthias! Keep up the amazing work!
meu amigo Mathias! sou um admirador seu e do seu trabalho. eu vejo na sua eficiência e técnica em desenvolver seus projetos mais um dom de Deus do que mesmo estudo em si. acredito que sejas um grande engenheiro e projetista pelo que fazes. e eu envio para Deus toda honra e gloria porque tenho plena certeza que seu trabalho assim como você são obras Divina. obrigado por apresentar obras magnificas pelas quais vejo a mao de Deus. seu amigo Ivanildo de natal RN Brasil
@TirianB I was wondering the same thing. You showed in another video that the finger joints are stronger and easier to make. What are the advantages of a dovetail joint? Aesthetics?
Yes. If the ratio was 1:1, it wouldn't be a pantograph and there would be no offset. The whole concept of the machine requires a reduction of some ratio.
hi Matthias, love your video`s especially those with the pantorouter! One question by the way: you have a german name. Are your ancestors germans? Keep on the good work. bye Harry
A simpler method would be to just use the dovetail bit and clamp two pieces one horizontal and one vertical, offset of course and router both pieces at the same time. this way you only need one template, making for more accuracy and speed. Sometimes we make things more complicated then we need to. But i would like to compliment you on your awesome pantorouter.
Hello Matthias Wandel, I love watching your videos and I am very inspired by their ability to couple inventions to improve their performance, but because I do not know how to read or speak English I only watch, but I'm not a carpenter and I like it as much as you do. I wanted to know how you can get these drawings that stick to the wood so you can follow their cuts, if possible of course.
Matthias, any possibility you could demonstrate making a wooden gear template? Could this be used as a tool for building wood gear clocks? Perhaps not because of the limited distance you can go vertically?
Matthiaswandel, I love your channel, I always wait for your new post! :) but, I ALWAYS sense the danger when you use the band-saw! Could you invent something to fully protect the hand while using band-saw?
The odd one that is a bit big can always be made smaller by gluing a thin sheet of aircraft ply or stiff card on the offending slope. David in Reading UK.
can you do a strength comparison between the finger joints of your screw advance box joint jig and these dovetails (once you got out the gaps and such)?
que tipo de motor mecesito para hacer algo parecido ¿cuantas revoluciones tiene que tener para conseguir un corte perfecto?y por ultimo ¿ud me venderia una maquina igual a esa?gracisa maestro.¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
I'm sure you heard this before, but you really need to find a tool mfg to build this for you. You could make a LOT of $$$$$ on this design. It is very good!!! Really enjoy your videos!
Is there a specific reason why you choose a system that works on a 2:1 ratio as opposed to a 1:1 ratio. A key duplicator works pretty much on the same principle, but produces a 1:1 result. Are there difficulties scaling that technology to working on wood?
@TirianB he already did a strength test in that direction but that was with halfblind dovetails from a classic jig versus the boxjoint: woodgears.ca/dovetail/index.html the dovetails lost
@immemous It's not all about the USA you know. I prefer the metric system over the inches system. I also thought I heard that the rest of the world is trying to convert to the metric system, I'm not sure though.
You have an edge on the wood working competition because your are some sort of engineering geometric genius
does anyone else feel really really good when he puts the pieces together and they fit perfectly..? what a legend!
Lets try the fit: Sss.....Plop! Yup, that's very satysfying!
yepp
I made one of these pantorouters a few years ago based on Matthias' plans. It cuts joints I never dared undertake previously. Compound angle finger joints + mortise and tenons, odd shaped tenons, etc. It gets used almost every project.
I had a similar idea of putting a router at the 'middle' of a pantograph before, which led me to finding this invention. Matthias just nailed it. Every aspect of this machine is very well-engineered. I recommend buying the plans.
Bravo Matthias.
Amazing that I'm finding videos like this that are 12 years old. Your outro is great "build it...because it's cool". Yes it is cool.
finger per finger, dovetails are stronger. But box joints are so much easier to cut, you just add more fingers, and you can go finer than dovetails. So box joints can be stronger. That said, if you get things wet and dry a lot, and the glue fails, the dovetail wins because it holds, at least in one direction, even without glue.
you are like the coolest, manliest, most awkward nerd that i can think of.
Lol
These, my exact thoughts.
Matthias, I am always impressed with your work and certainly the electrical transformer tutorial which I passed onto my younger mechanics. Waiting for more to keep me young in mind too.
You rock dude!!! I can't believe I just found your site and videos, but better late than never I guess. Your videos inspire the inventor/engineer in me. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and passion with us!
I am perplexed with such wisdom of this cabinetmaker, he's a handful of professional.
Junior Lucas шщ
your precision to built is incredible
zeno locatelli
Excellent, this man is a true master, incredible intelligence works.
Ce type est une véritable mine d'idées et comme il est particulièrement précis dans ce qu'il réalise, cela donne des résultats absolument formidables. 1000 bravos et grand merci !
The cost for parts to build this machine is right around $50 without the router. I built it and can attest to the fact that it is quite easy to operate and does exactly as expected. I have retired my mortise machine now that I have this one.
Congratulations on your 100th youtube video upload. I'm busy making the pantorouter. I'll keep you posted!
Alex
Fantastic equipment.
You is very close to be a crase woodwork man. Very congratulations. I leave in Brazil I play with wood a little bit.
72 years old is too much to do this work . Regards. Beni
I have been thinking about making a pantograph to make gears. Catch is, you'd still need to make a gear to trace out with it, just that you could make the pattern bigger, and copy it many times. But usually I just need one or two gears, and those are so quick to cut on the bandsaw that I consider this to be a solved problem. I have a video on making gears already.
I personally don't preer them, but it still makes sense to explore doing it.
@Matthiaswandel you are right, im an architect and i hate to use inches system... congratulations for all the woodowrking projects...
There is something that you can't do? hahaha your mind never stop! Is amazing your creativity! Thanks for share all the greats thing you can do! Greetings from Argentina.
PS: If you can do, put spanish subtitules and you will gain all the public of Latin America and more! Thanks!
ohh!! i didn't said anything of subtitules... I realized that already are in the options. :D
молодец Матиас давно смотрю на твои работы и приспособления очень нравятся продолжай нас удивлять
Henry Ford would have been proud to have you for his son.
"Build one, cause it's cool!"
I'm totally going to build one of these.
did you end up building one?
Really enjoy the science behind the project and yes I want one please
Hey Matthias, I have a good idea!! Route the straight slots into the back half of the V notched board. They would line up perfectly and be a single unit :-)
Isn't it always a good idea to let the joins stick out a bit? Both the tails and slots in this case.. You could always sand them down, but you can't sand them up if you made them to small ; ) I Just love this machine! Your other creations are great too, but this one is.. Just.. Amazing! And it has a super epic name!! One could easily use that name for some crazy device in a Sci-Fi movie ; )
Several reasons. First, a multi-router does many of the same tasks, as well as angled and compound joinery, without requiring any templates.
Second, a dovetail jig is much faster in a production shop (time is money).
Third, they do make pantograph router jigs, they're normally used in sign making.
It's a brilliant machine that you have made.
impressive. question, does the machine become less accurate the more you use it because it's made of wood? are there any parts that you feel would be better if they where metal? really enjoy these videos and the ingenuity. thanks for sharing. I'm impressed!
+Eric Mayo Haven't run into any problems. I figure after 10,000 joints, I might.
Matthias Wandel
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The nice thing is that, with such 2 x (or more depending on the pantograph) larger templates, you have more precision !! nice trick, Knapp joints are maybe directly possible with an adapted double template (dont do circles, but waves likes ?)
Great design,I have a little improvement to add,take your two templates and join them with spacers and then all you need is to slide and flip on top.
I find myself watching this machine work and wondering what sort of dovetail results you could get on it using your screw advance box joint jig instead of a template. Love the machines, Matthias! Keep up the amazing work!
Matthias, you're a genius. Great job!
Thanks for sharing , MW. An amazing device with lots of potential. Gratz.
meu amigo Mathias! sou um admirador seu e do seu trabalho. eu vejo na sua eficiência e técnica em desenvolver seus projetos mais um dom de Deus do que mesmo estudo em si. acredito que sejas um grande engenheiro e projetista pelo que fazes. e eu envio para Deus toda honra e gloria porque tenho plena certeza que seu trabalho assim como você são obras Divina. obrigado por apresentar obras magnificas pelas quais vejo a mao de Deus. seu amigo Ivanildo de natal RN Brasil
Hey Matt! Awesome machine! Would u ever make a video on how to design templates and make half blind dovetails?
Could you make an indexing template so you could make the teeth for some gears?
@TirianB I was wondering the same thing. You showed in another video that the finger joints are stronger and easier to make.
What are the advantages of a dovetail joint? Aesthetics?
Hello, I have a question: what engines you use on your Pantorouter? Thank you for your videos! It was very usefull for me.
@Matthiaswandel So everything you do, you come up with by yourself? Amazing. Keep it up.
Yes. If the ratio was 1:1, it wouldn't be a pantograph and there would be no offset. The whole concept of the machine requires a reduction of some ratio.
if you ever come through Manitoba you should let me know. I have so many questions
How are those dovetail joints usually made? Is there a specific machine for them or are they made by hand?
usted es muy bueno en lo que hace,perfecto me gustaria pode ver estos videos en español
hi Matthias, love your video`s especially those with the pantorouter! One question by the way: you have a german name. Are your ancestors germans? Keep on the good work. bye Harry
A simpler method would be to just use the dovetail bit and clamp two pieces one horizontal and one vertical, offset of course and router both pieces at the same time. this way you only need one template, making for more accuracy and speed. Sometimes we make things more complicated then we need to. But i would like to compliment you on your awesome pantorouter.
Hello Matthias Wandel, I love watching your videos and I am very inspired by their ability to couple inventions to improve their performance, but because I do not know how to read or speak English I only watch, but I'm not a carpenter and I like it as much as you do. I wanted to know how you can get these drawings that stick to the wood so you can follow their cuts, if possible of course.
Matthias, any possibility you could demonstrate making a wooden gear template? Could this be used as a tool for building wood gear clocks? Perhaps not because of the limited distance you can go vertically?
Matthiaswandel, I love your channel, I always wait for your new post! :) but, I ALWAYS sense the danger when you use the band-saw! Could you invent something to fully protect the hand while using band-saw?
The odd one that is a bit big can always be made smaller by gluing a thin sheet of aircraft ply or stiff card on the offending slope.
David in Reading UK.
can you do a strength comparison between the finger joints of your screw advance box joint jig and these dovetails (once you got out the gaps and such)?
man your good do you sale a book with all you stuff in ?
que tipo de motor mecesito para hacer algo parecido ¿cuantas revoluciones tiene que tener para conseguir un corte perfecto?y por ultimo ¿ud me venderia una maquina igual a esa?gracisa maestro.¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
I'm sure you heard this before, but you really need to find a tool mfg to build this for you. You could make a LOT of $$$$$ on this design. It is very good!!! Really enjoy your videos!
Let me the first to say, DUH!!! to myself. I see someone IS already doing this. Good for you both!
eres el mejor un genio mis mas sinceros respetos desde peru
I wonder how much dead zone there is on a wooden panto[anything]? It seems to work great though.
Is there a specific reason why you choose a system that works on a 2:1 ratio as opposed to a 1:1 ratio. A key duplicator works pretty much on the same principle, but produces a 1:1 result. Are there difficulties scaling that technology to working on wood?
Como hiciste esa maquina ? tienes algun video de como hacerla paso a paso? o como puedes hacer de manera facil este ensamble en la sierra de mesa?
That's amazing! Nice job.
Cara voce e realmente um mestre muito legal as coisas que voce fas
Can you make closed dovetail joint with this or with 3d pantograph?
Son excelentes todos tu video te felicito y agradezco x ellos pro no los tendrás con subtítulos en español?
Because calculating with fractional inches is a rediculous way to work.
Matthias - CNC router to make templates, how sweet would that be? I suspect you will build your own CNC router. :)
That would be called a thikness planer. They don't cost much.
que tipo de motor devo usar para as maquinas
"Build one, cause it's cool!" OK!!!
You sir are a genius.
Could u show how to make templates for hidden or blind dovetails?
@TirianB he already did a strength test in that direction but that was with halfblind dovetails from a classic jig versus the boxjoint: woodgears.ca/dovetail/index.html the dovetails lost
I would love to build that Pantorouter... how much are the plans and how do I order them?
You can check on his website, I found a link here: woodgears.ca/pantorouter/plans/index.html
Sir, do you have plans/drawings? thank you
I'm sort of more impressed with the freehand cutting on the bandsaw...I mean, that was beyond straight.
Dude, you are genius!
What is an estimate on price for parts and wood for this unit? Without the router is good.
@immemous
It's not all about the USA you know.
I prefer the metric system over the inches system.
I also thought I heard that the rest of the world is trying to convert to the metric system, I'm not sure though.
can you make a new machine? were you can shave wood into the right thicknes?
Hurray! I was waiting for this video.
great video, nice technique
do you have a book off your incredible creations
Well, thank GOD you use your forces for good and not evil. I can only imagine what you could do if you went to the Dark Side Matthias.
i have seen a machine much like your pantorouter used for etching designs into a surface
your so clever. are you self taught or did you do a degree in woodwork?
His father taught him.
Very, VERY impressive.
Nice work, as always.
y en cuanto venderías una completa
that's amazing . thanks for videos
Very impressive. Thanks for posting.
thanks for all.
@immemous Because he lives in Canada!
Sir
Can you demonstrate how this mechian making
Jyothish
I already did, like in this video.
Great video! Im sure you could make your gears using
Many different ways. Just google it.
build one... because its cool. haha. love it.
why hasnt one of the large woodworking manufacturers made one of these to sell to the general public with a few modifications and upgrades?
Did you study Industrial Design?
Awesome. Thanks for videos
it is cool , i agree
I luv this machine
muito bom. parabéns.