Dinosaur Planet (2003) Accuracy Review | Dino Documentaries RANKED #8
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Paleo progress marches on with Dinosaur Planet, a four part series on life in the Late Cretaceous. Although forward-thinking for the time, how does it hold up today?
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Something to note is that they didn't call it "carcharodontasaurus" they called them "carcharodontasaurs" as in just the specific family of dinosaur. While still inaccurate, its a little better. I loved this documentary, and this video is really good!
I've always assumed it was a giganotasaurus or tyranotitine that may not be in the correct period but it makes sense. They were in the same family
@@pbh9195 sad mapusaurus noises
Yeah
It’s actually not inaccurate. Carch teeth are around until the Maastritchian in Brazil.
Some people have said they were based off of the now identified Megaraptoran Aerosteon but I have my doubts about this. Unless there is evidence for it, that isn't just Aerosteon lived at the same time as Saltasaurus, I don't believe that.
I love that the Pyroraptor episode was basically a way to explain island dwarfism using dinosaurs.
Even if it tanks the accuracy rating.
Lol
I've met Scott Sampson in real life. He's a super chill guy!
wait really?!
@@hyena_fan yep! No joke. I live in Denver, and he was the curator at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. I met him during that time period. Another fun fact: my Grandfather's childhood best friend had been the curator of Mammal fossils at DMNS.
Sure you have
@@thatnoctutnallizard4600 no seriously. He was greeting guests in the Museum lobby.
@@thatnoctutnallizard4600 he jealous lol
1:09 "One day, I won't have to keep criticizing the bad early 2000s tropes."
Prehistoric Planet: Allow me to introduce myself.
I own three DVDs of these series since i was seven years old. It is truly an entertaining story and definitely a good place for kids to start learning about paleontology
Little Das' Hunt drove me crazy with how the Daspletosaurs were so afraid of just going in and killing Buck, like they were waiting for him to completely die from his injury.
Yeah that. Whole drawn out chase seemed pretty far fetched. I’ve never heard of family of predators spending hours stalking a juvenile, let alone a mortally injured one.
I love this series so much, it's a cult classic, and its definitely accurate, it holds up pretty well
Edit:Another hole in the Maisaura evolved into Edmontosaurus Annectens theory is that E.Regalis lived at the same time as Maiasaura
Pretty sure E. regalis was deffinitivelly more recent than Maiasaura.
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 Regalis appeared 74 Mya while Maiasaura went extinct 72 Mya
A few things of note:
-The presence of Prenocephale in _White-Tip's Journey_ is anachronistic; while everything else in the episode is based on the Djadochta Formation, Prenocephale is known from the younger (and wetter) Nemegt.
-I'm surprised you only mentioned the anachronism of the show's depiction of Quetzalcoatlus and not how it's portrayed as pretty much a swan-necked Pteranodon.
-While not the most aesthetically pleasing and far from perfect, the saltasaur is more accurate/better researched than most depictions. While the show's model probably went _a little_ far, Saltasaurus actually did have a pretty broad ribcage. Meanwhile the scutes *do* appear to be present, they're just not oversized or emphasized as in many depictions. (the largest scutes known from Saltasaurus were about 12cm/5in)
-Much like the saltasaur, the rhabdodont model is also more accurate than you'd think. The model appears to have been based off the skeleton of *Zalmoxes ,* a dinosaur that was considered a species of Rhabdodon when _Dinosaur Planet_ was in production and almost certainly the identity of the "dwarf iguanodon". (Zalmoxes actually got named earlier the same year the program aired; I'm guessing they already finished recording Christian Slater's narration at that point) For Zalmoxes, the shape and proportions look correct if a bit shrink-wrapped; the main inaccuracy is that they're portrayed as mainly quadrupeds when they appear to have been purely bipedal.
Yeah! Quetzalcoatlus was a gigantic Marabou stork(of course, millions of years before the real Marabou stork) and Velociraptor should be coexisting with Goyocephale.
"It's like punishing your favourite child"
*favourite child*
Scott sampson was also the paleontologist host on dinosaur train
No wonder he looked familiar
Oh my god I LOVED his segments in the show.
Great review, I loved this documentary growing up and im glad its still great documentary. Although, I did notice few problems with your review
4:41 - we actually do have fossils of Daspletosaurus that show some form some kind of pack behavior. It was also showed in Planet Dinosaur about discovery, plus paleonologists like Dr Holtz heavily believe that tyrannosaurs behaved in some form of legitmate pack hunting. So, tyrannosaurs hunting in packs is practically widely accepted in scientific community at this point.
5:45 - I believe the "Carcharodontosaurus" was suppose to be Giganotosaurus originally.
10:10 - I think you got yourself confused on "mainland iguanodon" being Rhabdon. That creature was totally separate iguanodontian. Although, im not sure what genus it is referring too.
6:33 - I honestly dont consider that a flaw or objective problem with the series.
Honestly, Dinosaur Planet gets B+ or A- imo. Probably the best dinosaur documentary made by Discovery channel.
@Karthik Devamanohar As Of right now, evidences on larger tyrannosaurs hunting in packs depends on species. There’s some evidences suggesting Tyrannosaurus Hunted in packs or pair, it’s still speculative for now. Zhuchengtyrannus is based on one specimen so far, so we don’t know a lot it regardless.
Not really a correction, however one thing I want to point out, is that Dinosaur Planet likes to refer to the family or order, rather than the Genus or Species with the exceptions of named Dinos, or prominent rivals. So "Carcharodontosaurus" is actually a generic "Carcharodontosaur"
The ''Carcharodontosaurs'' are based on the remains of the megaraptoran Aerosteon. At the time of the documentary they were unnamed and were believed to be carcharodontosaurs
But as Scott Sampson said "the burials only show they died at the same place. Doesn't mean they lived, let alone hunted, together."
@@stevansimic8186 Is there evidence for this claim?
11:04 Saltasaurus: I like them big. I like them chunky.
LOL XD
you are the most underrated youtuber ever, there's good editing, good audio and you're clearly actually knowledgeable in paleontology! You really deserve 1 million subs
This was my favorite Discovery documentary when I was a child!
My dad showed me this series on UA-cam. Also became my first exposure to a "scientifically accurate" Velociraptor. It remains one of my favorite dino docs of all time.
This was iconic for me as a kid I even had a dream I was just like alpha as a baby running through the forest hiding from the predators for survival pretty much just like the show.
I rewatched this recently and I wanted more parts with Scott Sampson every time he was on I felt engaged didn't want to look away he was great.
Really cool to see your review on this show like you said you don't really see people mention this show.
i LOVE the sauropods in this documentary. they're so chunky and that's why i will always love that design
White Tip is the best character in the series, along with Pod. This documentary is so wonderful and at the same time so moving in certain ways... It's one of the ones I watch the most, I love the narratives. With honorable mention to the wonderful design of Carcharodontosaurs... Oops, I mean... Aerosteon. 😁
I loved this series so much as a kid. It would be so cool to see Discovery remake it in a new HD Quality, same soundtrack, same stories, just better animation, better models, and changing any behavior in the animals to make them more realistic, but no feathered Daspletosaurs, please.
And have the azdarchids peck at land dinosaurs like giant marabou storks!
It was shot and aired in HD, just never got released above 480p dvd. I’ve been looking forever for a blu ray release.
This doc is my childhood. In germany it aired every other month or so for a few years and I always begged my mom that i could stay up late and watch it. Weirdly they didnt really cut in the parts where the paleontologist explains everything but cut it up to maybe 30sec. snippets.
I owned this documentary on dvd and watched it all the time as a kid. The storytelling is great and it’s a classic
Good review! From what I know, the carcharodontosaurus in the show is actually a Giganotosaurus classified as a G. saharicus, why? The paleontologist that was hired was Greg Paul, he is very infamous for lumping genus dinosaurs, example: Velociraptor antirrophus, Tyrannosaurus torosus or more criminal: Monolophosaurus wucaii (no kidding, look princeton field guide 2010), so Im not suprised he lumped, infact the Carcharo head here looks more like a 90s-early 2000s giga skull.
This was my absolute favorite! I absolutely loved this so so so much, I wish we'd get another documentary like this I love the story aspect of this series!
My favourite childhood documentary. Seeing all of this again reminds me many things
This was the doc that got me into dinosaurs
Pod's travel is easily my favorite part of this documentary :
we had island dwarfisism explained to us
it showed the impact an invading species could've on a fragile insular environment
the focus was on a Pyroraptor FFS !
. . .But yes, it's plagued with inacuracy (to a point it hurts)
I live in Indonesia and it somehow made its way there, I think it was even dubbed but I only ever caught White Tip's Journey and Little Das Hunt.
Wonderful memories.
I'm glad you were able to enjoy it :)
Hi@@redraptorwrites6778, I'm a biologist
''maybe no one watched it'' this is my entire childhood and my first real introduction to dinosaurs
Well, for one thing, we know now that 1.) Quetzalcoatlus likely was more like a modern-day marabou stork than like a pelican (which was in “Little Das’s Hunt”), that it was a scavenger and sometimes predator that could walk comfortably on all fours than a sea-going creature that nested together in rookeries, and 2.) Saltasaurus being among the “last of the sauropods”, even though sauropods like Alamosaurus thrived right up to the K-T extinction event, but, yeah, considering the time it came out, it was pretty on point.
This is by far my favourite dinosaur documantary because I watched it for years on the same tv channel
I’m fairness, they didn’t say carcharadontasaurUS, they raid carcharadontasaurS, they were speculating the a member of that family continued the line from mapusaurus, which is yes speculative but not as bad as simply sticking in a random species.
Dinosaur planet is still so nostalgic to me, the most nostalgic Thing is probably that red furry raptor, it’s the one episode I watched over and over. Ironic as-well due to your name
One thing that makes the origin of T. rex more complicated is the discovery of Lythronax, Teratophoneus and Bistahieversor in the southwestern USA, all closer to T. rex than Daspletosaurus. Combine this with the oldest T. rex specimens (69 Ma) coming from Utah and Texas and there’s a good case for a North American origin.
Not to mention Thanatotheristes and Dynamoterror, which are Tyrannosaurs
No mention of the multiple grassy fields? Yes we know from fossilized pollen that grass did exist during the age of dinosaurs, but it likely wasn't as common or in a form that we know as well yet.
Wait! Are you saying grass was ACTUALLY around during the Mesozoic age but it wouldn't have been as common as today?!
@@Memosaurus0917 I think for the most part it only existed in India
That was the thing with “Walking”, though: they specifically filmed in locations that had little or no grassy areas, like, at all, while “Planet”, it seemed, didn’t really care?
Same thing with the 2013 movie: David Krentz designed all the animals in it, and yet multiple grassy fields throughout.
@@Kaikaifilu1994 Well to be fair it is very difficult to do as grass is overwhelmingly the most successful plant alive today and it would be difficult to find places with no grass/ little enough grass to be edited out.
@@thenerdbeast7375 Oh, I know that.
But I’m specifically referencing the T. rex episode that was filmed in a part of Chile where there was hardly an grass at all, and had somewhat volcanic activity
I had this documentary on dvd when I was a kid and loving the hell out of it.
Pod's Travels is the episode I most vividly remember watching as a kid, and of course it's the one that channels an Edgar Rice Burroughs story the most. I mean, even kid-me thought the dwarf island thing was sussy, but it's also great entertainment.
This was one of my favorite documentaries, I watched it over and over. Especially the fight between the protoceratops and raptor. I'm surprised it's not as popular as I expected it to be!!
They also used Carchar due to the connection Africa and South America had at the time, when they were Gondwana.
I'd caught the tail end of the saltosaurus episode of this many years ago and was never able to track it down! Thank you!
I have the dvd of this and Imo its really solid and underrated. Sadly not many people talk about it. Good that you reviewed it.
Troodontid teeth being undiagnostic is not the same thing as saying Troodon isn't a valid genus. This issue is still heavily debated, and has not been resolved. Even if the type specimen of Troodon should be assumed to have come from Stenonychosaurus and the two genera synonymized, then Troodon would take priority and Stenonychosaurus would be invalid. Beyond that, Troodon could still be given priority by the same function that allows us to still call it Tyrannosaurus.
I do rember watching this doc as a kid. While not as high profile as other productions i rly loved how the showed some lesser known creatures.
As a Brazilian I grew up learning that there probavaly were Carcharadontosaurus here, because we found some teeth.
Its not conclusive. But since South América and África were close, thats what most Brazilian paleontologists belive.
That's actually sort of right. I'm pretty sure carcharodontosaurus traveled to South America and maybe evolved onto giganotosaurus. Not sure tho. I could be wrong
This show is the show that made my love for paleo science when i was little. its #1 in my books
The Carcharodontosaur in Alphas Egg is Aerosteon and the Plesiosaur in Pods Travel is Scanisaurus.
"The Logan Pauls of the family" lmao
I need to watch this soon. I love seeing dinosaurs with bird-like behaviors.
This was my first and favourite documentary as a child so the nostalgia is hitting hard right now.
Even as a child tho when I saw Charcarodontosaurus in South America I was like "tf, am I missing something here?".
I never got Pod's travel inconsistencies so thanks for the info.
The velociraptor ep is soo good to this day considering when it came out.
When I saw velociraptors with feathers and being smaller than in jp I was so happy guys.
Does it hold up to today?
Not really, but for the time this was a great step in the right direction.
Did they take the direction we were hoping later tho?🤔
Ironically the Pyroraptors red feathers from Jurassic world dominion resembles Pods feathers
This was actually the first time I ever saw anything dinosaurs related. I got the DVD when I was five and since that day I've been obsessed with prehistory. Sure, its not a perfect documentary, but without this show I won't have been a dinosaur fan. Heck, people grew up with Jurassic Park and I watched this wayyy later when I was 12. Ha, I grew up with good looking feathery dromeosaurus
I think the Carcharodontosaurus in Alpha's Egg are just called Carcharodontosaurs, so even though the group was extinct by the time the episode takes place in, they were probably "supposed" to be Mapusaurus. Yes I said the group was long extinct by the time the episode takes place in but something to mention.
I remember this documentary series fondly. When it first premiered, I was only a few years old and I was allowed to stay up past my bedtime to watch it with my Dad.
This was literally my childhood I probably watched these series like 10 times each
I loved this documentary so much as a kid! I remember my parents got me the DVD of it, I had to have watched it so many times.
I think it’s also really good for Accuracy, but I didn’t knew that it wasn’t that popular like the others😱
It was the first dinosaur documentary I ever saw as a kid back around when it came out! It's probably better that this and When Dinosaurs Roamed America were the first ones I saw instead of the Walking With documentaries.
The Megaraptoran Aerostodon was originally classified as some sort of Charcharodontosaurid in the Late 90s
Which is weird since I don't even know what Megaraptors are supposed to even be anymore! For sure they're Tetanuran theropods but that's hardly narrowing it down.
@@jeffreygao3956 most recent studies place it as some kind of Coelurosaur, some even as basal tyrannosaurids.
@@thegermanspino6186 So...not tyrannosauroids but close to them?
@@jeffreygao3956 probably something close but the possibility of tyrannosauroids exists, if you consider basal tyrannosauroids this might actually make sense.
just found your content and immediately went to see if you’d talked about dinosaur planet before!! good stuff, crazy to me that you don’t have more views, too
9:37 to be fair there there smaller iguanodontians in the formation, like the zalmoxes genus
I spent years looking for Alpha's Egg, I saw it when I was a younger child on youtube and just couldn't figure out what it was that I was remembering.
Just found it last night! I'm happy to see the documentary wasn't the worst out there even though I'd enjoy it regardless because nostalgia lol
This series was on German kids tv for a couple of years (Super RTL), so i guess a lot of Germans have seen this. As Child it wasnt as exiting as Walking with Dinosaurs, but as a dinosaur fan still a must watch docu.
Awesome to see it reviewed so much years later! Thx!
13:30 almost 2 years later, now having evidence showing daspletosaurus was indeed the direct ancestor of the Tyrannosaurus rex is truely something of irony
I remember watching this on the when I’ve originally aired. I taped it and still have the VHS and the DVD
Man I grew up with all the four episodes, I still love this doc
I mean, if you really have to make the south American theropod a charcharodontosaur, why not make it something that at least lived in the region like mapusaurus or giganotosaurus? Still innacurate in context and likely time period but at least it gets points for staying within the region
To be fair, the narration only ever refers to them as "carcharodontosaurs" rather than to the _Carcharodontosaurus_ genus specifically. Like wise for the saltosaurs, which are probably meant to be _Neuquensaurus australis,_ which lived closer in time to the episode's setting and has occasionally been considered part of the same genus as _Saltasaurus._
Carch teeth are known from the youngest Cretaceous beds in Brazil so having some type of carcharodontosaurid around wouldn’t be inaccurate.
I loved this one. I think I may still have a dvd of this.
They might of got spout of mistakes in that series but they got most of the dinosaurs right like velociraptor
My second favorite discovery channel dinosaur documentary I used to have it on VHS But I have it on DVD now
I’m really glad I found this I watched this when I was a kid and loved it
Great video on Dinosaur Planet.
This Dinosaur Series and When Dinosaurs Roamed America are considered great dinosaur documentary series that are a huge part of my childhood and still enjoy them to this day.
Still can’t wait to see Dinosaur Revolution and Planet on your channel soon.
I remember this show still. As a kid I devoured every last dinosaur documentary I ever saw.
I'm so surprised this one isn't more well known! My family had it recorded from the tv on vhs and watched it all the time. I always loved White Tip's Journey the most, though I really liked Pod's Travels for introducing me to insular dwarfism.
Despite the "Carcharodontodaurus", Alpha's Egg is still my favorite of this series. Another great documentary and respectable grade as well Red Raptor Writes, keep up your informative content, stay safe and have a great day.
9:42 Zalmoxes, "megalosaurus hungaricus":are we a joke to you?
I met the velociraptor in real life, really genuine guy
In all honesty, ‘Troodon’ is a name so _ingrained_ into our consciousness…it’s hard to call theropods like it by their now-proper names.
I distinctly remember getting this documentary on DVD as a birthday present when I was 5
Are you going to review Planet Dinosaur and March of the Dinosaurs? Thank you for making such great reviews!
Yes another dino doc review vid
I've never seen this one, but it looks like it's worth a view.
me when i was watching this: ayooo is that the dinosaur train guy?
This was my favorite documentary as a kid I watched the DVD so much it stopped working lol
It is crazy that Troodon persistent for so long as a genus when you know the truth
As soon as I saw this video in my recommended, I just knew I had to subscribe.
Nice vid, man.
Awesome! I'm glad you liked it.
"They couldn't stay at the nesting site for long since they would have run out of food to eat"
Very true! Not to mention the risk of them accidentally trampling their eggs and young...
This documentary is my childhood
While I understand and agree with you, this one is a gut punch to my childhood
Raptor gang violence has become a serious problem in the neighborhood
Hateg is actually pronounced 'hat-seg'. Don't ask me why. I'm sure it's something to do with the language of the area it's now found in or whoever named it.
They were never referred to as "Carcharodontosaurus" in the episode, that was a name given to them on the webpage that was released along with it and who knows if the writer of that page had anything to do with making the show.
Also Aerosteon was thought to be a Carcharodontosaur before Megaraptors became their own group.
I think you're being a bit too harsh on the Hateg Island setting, seeing as how in 2003 we had hardly any of the material we have today from there.
Other than that, good review.
Dinosaur planet deserves a remake of the series and it deserves more episodes than it’s 2003 counterpart like 12 or 18 episodes and in today’s science 🦖🌎
There's a noteworthy inaccuracy in the episode with Saltasaurs in it. They said that by the time of the episode, it had been millions of years since the last sauropod lived in North America which is false as Alamosaurus lived in North America in the Late Cretaceous right up until the KT meteor struck the Earth and caused the extinction of the Dinosaurs.
Alamosaurus has been known to have existed since at least the 1980's when I was a kid and has been featured in a number of different dinosaur books and has been known by a lot of scientists so there's no excuse for the writers to make such a glaring error. It may be a minor detail for the script but it shows that the researchers were lazy in their research involving dinosaurs.
Technically they weren’t wrong as the episode takes place before the arrival of Alamosaurus in North America.
I'm pretty sure the smaller rhabdodon are mean't to be zalmoxes
the dinosaur planet saltasaurus dose have armor just you can hardly see it since its the same colour has its skin
The way they incorporated the famous velociraptor and protoceratops fossil into one of the stories always blew my mind as a kid. Always thought that was a super cool detail.
There are carchara teeth that were found in Brasil. That's why it's often put in South America...
The end of little das used to scare me
I had no idea Troodon is nomen dubium. The more you know.
3:39 im literally dying from laughter
In the documentary narrator said Carcharodontosaur
Yeah, many confused "Carcharodontosaurs" with "Carcharodontosaurus". Maybe it would have been better for the documentary to describe them as "Carcharodontosaurids" instead.
@@paleoph6168 yeah true
I enjoyed that series very well and as a matter fact I own it on DVD