Tyrannosaurus rex vs Giganotosaurus | Who Is The True King?
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- G'day ladies and gentlemen! In today's video we have a debate on Megatheropod is the STRONGEST In red corner we have the contender Giganotosaurus carolinii. In the blue corner we have current king of the dinosaurs the Tyrannosaurus rex. Who will be crowned the true king of the theropods? LET'S FIND OUT!
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T.rex - Mark Witton
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As the strongest megatheropod Tyrannosaurus fought the fraud the King of the South, he began to open his domain. Giganotosaurus shrunk back in fear, then T-Rex said: "Stand proud Giga, you are strong"
Are you the strongest because you’re a Tyrannosaurus or are you a Tyrannosaurs because you’re the strongest?
Paleontologist: Who would win? You or the Giga?
Rex: If he bit me first, I might bleed.
Paleontologist: But would you lose?
Rex: Nah, I'd win.
Where ever I go even a dinosaur page lobotomy kaisen follows me
Not extreme diff though
This really is a very interesting battle!
What would a meeting between Carcharadontosaurus vs Giganotosaurus be like or if Mapussaurus lived with Giganotosaurus and got into duels?
They are so similar in design and lifestyle that it's a coin toss. Only size and mass would determine the fight, but it's flipping. For like a decade, carcharadontosaurus was considered the biggest of that group. But funny enough, carcharadontosaurus is now seemingly smaller again. It may flip again, but for now I would go with the giganotosaurus for the win.
@@alakazamgengar5434gigannotosaurus had more mass than carcharodontosaurus giga being 13.5 to 10.4 while carchar being like 7 to somewhere around 5 or more I might be wrong with the size of carchar but giga was bigger.
Mapusaurus didn’t live with giganotosaurus there separated by millions of years
they have very very very similar builds but carcharodontosaurus is generally smaller so it would probably lose majority of the time. on this huge scale tho it can really go any way, id say 60 times out of 100 the giga would win but if these dinosaurs ever clashed it would probably lead to them both dying whether killed directly or indirectly by the other dinosaur.
Most accurate Tyrannosaurus vs Giganotosaurus video & the correct verdict.
The people say evoked no t rex 15 m and tonned 17 tons no, 12.5 m, 11 tons is the god Jehova says explains clearly the people do not know why the giganotosaurus and carchadotosaurids are first giants and also spinosaurus, neoventarios all very large the 16-18 meters the truth is, the t rex is only 12 meters that no 13 -15 never people we don't know and the very large carnvirous animals carcha is the allosaurus first 👈🙌👏 giant saurophaganax discoveries really Asia and South America, Africa first the carchadotosaurids 145- 65 million lives yes truth is God says yes together, t rex 90-65 million years little lives and I sleep history dream yes I tell real, the paleology people very evoked dic3 extinct carcha is not if I live 65 million years God says yes
Concavenator corcovatus some europe and acrocanthosaurus, carcha, gigas all very big because together with spinosaururidos giant family lived 145-66 until the god says all together dinos, but 100 million years extinction evoked not dead there lived 89-66 you have if carchadotosaurids and spinos, too albesaurids 14.5 m giants like I see dreams, megaraptor 12 m that is alive, carchasorosaurus extinction 89 million very errors paleology all wrong, also spinos femur 1000 mm bad rexondtruccion, the spinos major 19 m and also carcha 16 m mostly and also siats neoventarus 14 meters even but t rex 12.5 m rare false no and the truth animals carnvirous explains god says yes
This is so close that regardless of the victor, both animals would ultimately lose. I do feel you are overplaying the rex's bite and underplaying the giga's. One thing that commonly isn't mentioned about the rexes bite is that it likely took time for the bite to reach bone shattering power, akin to a hydraulic press. So if the rex doesn't land a proper bite on the neck or a leg from behind, the giga would be able to land multiple bites of its own before the rex could apply enough pressure and all it needs is one to pierce an artery for it to lethal. It would at worst, force the rex off before any serious damage is done to either animal.
However, I do agree that the rex likely wins more due to the other reasons you mention. But with how close they are in size and how deadly they are, anything less than a near perfect bite could lead to both animals dying regardless of who wins.
What if the rex bone crushing is for digesting and the serated parts are used for hunting?
Nah trex solos everyone who actually know trex knows it slams
@@Mildlyinsanespinelfanboy how would you know, have you seen them fight? Also a creature with a high bite force doesnt mean it wins all the time
Actually using just bite force as an analogy most modern animals with proportionately high bite forces deliver it pretty quickly. They snap shut and deliver the full load.
And the giga moved his head with the bite putting more power into it, that would make up for the weak bite. It really depends who gets the first bite
Easily one of, if not, the best take I've seen on the subject. Versus battles are always a weird animal (pun intended). I agree that using average sizes and stats for both is the best objective way to look at things. Great video my friend, looking forward to the next.
Issue is, average is taking into account every specimen and making a relative estimate of all their weights combined, we have a LOT of rexes, including Juveniles but we have only one Giga and another dentary one... However, ten years ago we thought Rexes like sue where highly unlikely, but now we know there was bigger ones and they where not that uncommon
Still know so little about the Giga and it sucks, while the Rex has been studied to death soo much so we know at this point a lot and enough. Yet other Apex theropods outside of North America, like South America, Africa, Asia, and Europe we still hardly know as well. This video does well to inform we still hardly know as much about the Giga as we do with the likes of Rex, yet this fight is probably the closest and finally, someone without Rex Bias doesn't just say oh Rex bite force is best therefore it wins. This video does justice to the topic of Giga vs Rex. So props The Overseer keep this up, comrade!
T. rex easy wins of course.!
@@rodrigopinto6676 in your world and imagination sure XD
@@rodrigopinto6676 you sickkk
@@mikeilles6427 Good point, I do want to mention that I personally think that Tyrannosaurus Rex migth have either way had a better chance, but, TYRANNOSAURUS REX DOES NOT EASILY WIN, sure it migth win most of the time (As long as both competitors engage in battle) but that dosen't mean that it necessarily wins easily. Tyrannosaurus Rex migth win the battle but after the battle Tyrannosaurus Rex migth die to blood loss. I think that T.rex wins 70 To 60 percent of the time while G.Carolini would win 30 to 40 percent of the time. It migth even be a 50% of the time for T.rex and 50% percent of the time for G.Carolini. But, I do think that we need more reserach and evidence therefore the fight is not exactly fair. So I do agree with you. But only time will tell who really beats who.
The big issues I see with people discussing this matchup are a) people comparing a (relatively) accurate Rex to a very inaccurate image of Giganotosaurus, resulting in the latter being badly nerfed due to basically everything in its arsenal being either flat-out ignored or badly underestimated (as with the idea it’s bad at killing quickly based on inaccurate information about how predators that bleed out their prey actually operate); and b) even very recent paleontological research being out of date when it comes to things like eyesight (the idea of Tyrannosaurs having far better eyesight than other theropods is based entirely on its greater field of binocular vision: not only is that not the only relevant metric in animal eyesight, it’s been shown to be basically irrelevant in living theropods as per Martin 2009 and other studies done on living birds) or intelligence (the idea Tyrannosaurus has any significant intelligence advantage here being based on decades-out-of-date notions about how intelligence works in living animals and debunked assumptions about the capabilities of “primitive” croc-like brains).
So what ends up happening in most videos like this is that Tyrannosaurus gets *slightly* overrated due to people consulting paleontological research that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny once we look at relevant data from living animals, while Giganotosaurus gets horribly underestimated because the videos basically ignore its adaptations (an extremely common mistake being only looking at bite force to argue Tyrannosaurus had a far more dangerous bite while ignoring that Giganotosaurus relied on vertical head movements to impart additional force during a bite, meaning its bite actually had just as much physical power behind it even with its much weaker jaw muscles, and also having much sharper teeth to boot). And then everyone thinks Rex stomps because it had useful adaptations and Giga (allegedly) doesn’t, and refuses to accept that Giganotosaurus actually has advantages in other areas to make up for its disadvantages in bite force and overall physical strength.
This happens to be one of the only videos that actually isn’t incredibly biased, but it does omit a key detail, which is that Giga would have a somewhat better chance of getting a critical blow to a vital area than assumed here. Part of this has to do with, as mentioned above, binocular vision (or lack thereof) not being that relevant in theropods, but two other things that play into this is that a) Giganotosaurus has a more flexible neck and is much more suited to accurately and quickly moving its head around (see Coria & Currie, 2003) which would help it line up for precise bites to vitals; the other thing is that even ziphodont theropods were equipped with stress-dissipating notches in their teeth, which functioned less like a steak knife and more like a set of surgical saws; as such they could (and based on coprolites and bite marks from the Morrison, did) bite through bone, just not by outright obliterating bone like the much more robust jaws of tyrannosaurids were suited for doing.
This fight is basically an 50/50-the first good bite is going to decide the outcome, if not kill the loser outright, and it’s hard to argue which, if either, animal would have the better shot at that first bite (Tyrannosaurus has the agility advantage-though issues with that study indicate this would be by a smaller margin than often assumed-while Giganotosaurus has that increased head/neck mobility and is better at biting into broad surfaces, which might give it more places to bite).
Well written and agree with all of this.
I do agree that the Rex has the distinct advantage of more reliable discoveries as well as far more coverage than the Giga. Hopefully in the coming years that’ll change with the Giga getting more of the spotlight.
@@TheOverseerDebates
There’s actually a fair bit that we know about Giga both from its actual remains and from research on allosauroids as a whole (including that specialized, Smilodon/terror bird-like neck-driven killing bite that was the hallmark of the allosauroids as a whole).
The issue is that a) none of this research is in the public awareness so people pretend these features didn’t exist, and b) there’s very much a bias in academia towards studying (and inadvertently lionizing) tyrannosaurs at the expense of other theropods.
That and size comparison charts using Sue/Scotty (the oldest and largest specimen) against the Giganotosaurus holotype which isn't the biggest but the average size. The average sized Giganotosaurus is overall bigger than the average sized Tyrannosaurus.
@@Unbearable_Truth
This as well-we have only two Giganotosaurus specimens and only one of them (the holotype) is in decent condition. Though to be honest, even if you compare Scotty against the Giga holotype the size difference isn’t so big to be decisive (Scotty is 1-1.5 tons heavier, which isn’t a lot when talking about taxa that average around 9 tons…).
That study about Tyrannosaurus (but really, any megatheropod given the logic used in the study) potentially being able to get to 15 tons in rare cases that didn’t end up in the fossil record worsened this, because everyone assumed this was something that only applied to Tyrannosaurus (because it was the megatheropod used to prove the study’s argument), when it would apply even more to other giant theropods with even smaller sample sizes.
Dinosaur matchups are always inaccurate because while we have a good idea of what t rex is we dont have a good idea of what giga, carcharo and spino are apart from large carnosaurs.
A few remains are relatively useless for a median size as the individuals found could have been freakishly large or sub adults.
Like the variance between carcharos was it couldve been either a 10 ton ot 3 ton predator.
Same with spino where people constantly use old measurements for it although the creature was probably heavier and stockier based on evidence of pachystosis of its bones recently.
Its basically people trying to matchup a well historied and documented wrestler versus a guy we aren't even sure what they look like 😂
Agreed. While these types of videos as very informative and interesting, as well the idea of two dinosaurs fighting is cool. But with how the difference in knowledge we have of these creatures ( like with the Rex compared to the Giga) it's really hard( if not impossible ) to make a " who would win" battle that's fair
Yeah, hopefully in the future they make a breakthrough with more complete skeletons or some analysis. It'll make dino matchups fairer and backed up with actual solid evidence.
Yeah, I completely agree here, but i still like to watch videos and debates about this hypothetical fights, I think they are entertaining
is there any particular reason we have so many rex fossils compared to some other large theropods? is it because they were so abundant and successful? habitat? age? or maybe a bit of all of that, im not rlly sure
@@adminbob_North America has good conditions for fossilization, they are by far the most popular dinosaur and in turn get the most attention and yea they were successful.
There is a reason why the T-Rex was called the Lizard King
I’ve always thought that the trex had a power bite and good endurance because of some goji centre videos and thought the giga was more of a slicer
Tyrannosaurus does have much stronger jaws: the reason it doesn’t have the more dangerous bite overall is that Giganotosaurus can inflict just as much damage due to having adaptations BESIDES powerful jaw muscles for achieving that, more than making up for its seemingly less threatening bite.
@@bkjeong4302 ok
@@bkjeong4302You’d be surprised that a tyrannosaurus had shaper teeth
@@GEK0devHow?
@@zadas1132 Over twice the amount of serrations and the serrations are also about 20% sharper, A shorter stronger jaw with thicker bigger stronger teeth and a significantly more powerful bite equals to a vastly sharper bite, I would post a link if UA-cam would allow me to lol
I, for one, love how close this fight is. After all, a hero is only as good as his villain. T. rex was my superhero growing up… it’d be pretty boring if it was a bully that no other theropod could challenge.
An animal is your superhero, that you never even seen before?
I dont think it is even close when you just look at their skeletons, the T-Rex is so much larger and robust
The tyrannosaurus artwork in 6:38 looks like the stare meme makes it unnerving to look at
good video but i think the answer will be more clear and more to discuss when we have studied Giganotosaurus more.
I agree, hopefully in the coming years there will be more discoveries and hence research in the Giga so we can have a better and more reliable understanding of it!
@@TheOverseerDebates it's under wraps for now so can't disclose it but i will say more research on giganotosaurus and its relatives are coming!
Just by reading the comments, it's devolved into "my favorite is better than your favorite.". Honestly, these were living animals that 9/10 times would've never fought in the first place. Since predators know even a small injury could lead to death due to infection or the inability to hunt and then would starve. Unfortunately until more research is done on other megatheropods, we won't know as much as we know about T.Rex. Not to mention, they were designed to hunt completely different prey and had different hunting tatics. I hate these "debates" because dinosaurs are not custom-made cage fighters. Who cares who is stronger? Better yet, ask why that particular dinosaur is your favorite? Hopefully, you'll get a better answer than "cause it's not T.Rex.". Lol, ya'll have a good day.
T rex easy wins
I completely agree with you
Slight nitpick: The Giga you show on the thumbnail isn't actually Giganotasaurus.
The special where that image if from, and the animal that's shown, is more closely synonymous with the closely related Mapusaurus instead.
Just wanted to point that out.😅
To be honest that Trex would win even if I like the giga more but Trex has stronger bite which I don’t like but that’s how life between the Giganotosaurus and taranosaurus.
I agree with you. The Giga is a capable and dangerous opponent, and it's fighting style involves running in and escaping danger repeatedly to deliver multiple bites to bleed and wear down its kill.... this would be effective against a Rex due to its higher speed and lighter weight with 3 noteworthy exceptions. 1, Rex has binocular vision and can pinpoint incoming danger and attacks with accurate depth perception, and extremely well developed hearing. 2, Rex has faster reflexes and mobility, allowing rapid and accurate responses or counters to Gigas incoming attacks. 3, the rex is a heavier set, with a bite capable of inflicting fatal damage in a single attack. So basically, the Giga can't sneak up, and its only hope is to repeatedly attack (rexes are known to survive bites from other rexes) something that has faster reflexes while escaping a devastating likely fatal counter attack. Sure the Giga could get lucky and hit an artery while escaping the first few times and win, is this likely given the specific strengths of the Rex? No, not really. and Given the Giga's lighter skeletal frame, a bite to the neck or body is likely to crunch straight through and prove catastrophic, While the Rex will more than likely be enraged after a bite or two from the Giga.
Giga is heavier than Rex not lighter 🤦
@@Shafi756 Heavier set refers to bone structure and build, not weight. Besides that, what you've asserted is by no means a definitive fact. Some individuals are bigger, some smaller... Not that it would change what I said anyway.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂@@Shafi756
@@sethnaffziger1402 it's outdated. T rex is now heavier than Giga
Amazing what a difference even a few months can make. With a huge specimen of t rex recently exceeding 13 metres, and being said to reach over 25km. This news just in from a week ago! So what does this mean? its as capable of a running speed, just as long and tall- and likely heavier than Carolinii.
Its agility/locomotion was also downplayed or left out in this upload- for more on that i recommend the Goji center video "t rex vs palaeoloxodon". It shows visual animatics of how the t rex uniquely with its own centre of balance is able to sidestep, turn sharply to reposition with speed to reassess or create a vulnerability in an opponent- something no other large theropod has been proven capable of doing.
Not mention animals would prefer to avoid conflict as much possible. But even if engage for territory , defend there young, or other resources these two big predators would try intimidating behavior like sizing each other through low grunts , below and hissing sounds until one back downs.
T. rex easy wins of course.!
Do you play path of titans? Just asking bc you used the path of titans giga for the thumbnail
Top 10 largest Theropods dinosaurs 2024
1. Tyrannosaurus rex- 11.7 tonnes
2. Giganotosaurus- 10.2 tonnes
3. Mcraeencies- 8.8 tonnes
4. Mapusaurus- 8.4 tonnes
5. Spinosaurus- 8.3 tonnes
6. Saurophaganax- 8.3 tonnes
7. Carcharodontosaurus- 8.2 tonnes
8. Sauroniops- 7.6 tonnes
9. Tyrannotitan- 7.5 tonnes
10. Bahariasaurus- 7.1 tonnes
What if rex uses its bone crushing bones to digest, similar to hyenas, while the serated part is use to hunt.
You highly overestimated Giganotosaurus's weight.
But still lose
Please do Utahraptor vs Polar Bear or Kodiak Bear
I agree cool video ideas
There are some folks here who think that the study which found that Tyrannosaurus is twice as agile as Giganotosaurus isn't accurate or is a stretch due to one of the paper's sources being the outdated 4.2 tonne estimate for Giga; people like this conveniently ignore the fact that the Giga's mass in the paper was stated to be ~7 tonnes - and while it is outdated it still isn't that far of a gap from the 8.4-tonne estimate used for the holotype today. In fact, more mass would equate to Giga's agility suffering even further due to needing to overcome that extra mass lol.
The conclusions of Tyrannosaurs turning 2x faster than Allosaurs and other Theropods mostly stems from the actual fossilized evidence on their legs and tails and gauging ideas of muscle attachments and ligaments - the skeletals are just add-ons. It doesn't matter if we use a 5 tonne Giganotosaurus skeletal or a 7 Giganotosaurus skeletal with muscle attachments (Or if we use a deflated 8.4 tonne Tyrannosaurus or a 9.5 tonne Tyrannosaurus, or a 10.2 tonne Tyrannosaurus), Tyrannosaurus' actual fossilized evidence and attachment gauges makes Tyrannosaurus more agile, and by twice the amount. Therefore, a 2x difference is not a "Stretch" as some people here like to claim.
Well if the giganotosaurus is smart and is able to get to the Trex neck…Giving the giganotosaurus an advantage of winning…..but who knows.
T.Rex: *”Stand proud Giganotosaurus, You are strong”*
❤
If you guys in the comments are gonna make arguments about either dinosaur winning, I’d recommend not having the dinosaur in your username or profile pic because you will not look reputable
Well that sucks ._.
How much force would it take to permanently warp a modern MBT’s barrel? Just curious 👀
Guys, T-Rexes are taller than giganotosaurus! when they founded Giga the femur was longer, yes. But the complete femur + tibia length is actually longer on t-rexes plus their pose is more upwards than the gigas
T. Rex isn't taller than Giganotosaurus
They were practically the same height with the giga being taller at the neural spine and the rex being taller at the hip
@kingofprehistory7851 If
you wanna call a one foot difference at the head and spine "practically the same" then I guess I won't argue
@GigaIsBetter to these animals a foot of difference is the same disparity as you being quarter a head shorter than someone. If you want to argue by relative comparison recognise that larger animals have a smaller margin of difference for larger values compared to us
@@suricata1993 and this isn't accounting for the fact that this isn't their head height, both of which were nearly identical
Theres also 2 important factors to keep in mind when it comes to giganotosaurus which seem to go unnoticed in almost every hypothetical clash scenario.
1: The Giganotosaurus size average is determined by only a handful of fossils (chances of finding the average sized fully grown adult isnt all that high) its a bit like going to your local cemetary and diggin up 5 random human skeletons vs diggin up north of 100 graves in the next town over (which would be the t-rex source material in comparison)
2: Carcharodontosaurids are believed to have grown pretty much until they died while T-Rex had a growth cycle more similar to Humans reaching its max proportions some time in its early 20s... so the fully grown individuals would also be the most battle hardened.
As for the outcome it would pretty much be a cointoss. A broken neck, severed muscles, tendons and blood vessels aswell as crushed windpipes all have the nasty sideeffect of ending up in death
That's literally the opposite. It is far more likely that a handful of similarly sized fossilized specimens DO represent individuals from the average range as fossils are inherently rare and finding a +2 SD individual that is rare even in life, is vanishingly rare. If you dig up any 5 humans from anywhere and confirm they're roughly matured, chances are overwhelming that the average will end up being between 5-6 feet tall. The chances of finding multiple 7 foot tall living humans randomly together (outside a family unit or some non-random sample eg the NBA) is close to zero. Those numbers are even more remote if we're talking fossilization, where any animal dying and being fossilized is exceedingly rare in general.
@@malligrub we are talking about an animal that is believed to have existed for north of 3 million years just look at the standard deviation in size between the romans 2000 years ago the average joe in medieval europe some fella from victorian london and a present day dude. the graph is moving up and down depending on many factors in our surroundings.
Im only aware of 2 giganotosaurus specimens that were unearthed (not quite sure how closely they lived together in terms of time) and they varied massively in terms of size while the dozens of t rex remains paint a pretty clear picture of the average size while also providing some decent insight into the max proportions they could reach with individuals like scotty leading the chart.
Once again another important factor to consider is that carcharodontosaurids are believed to have grown all throughout their life which makes accurate estimations on their size (if they were to live out their days) a lot harder.
T rex easy wins @@julianeder4699
@@julianeder4699wrong "arguments"
@@rodrigopinto6676 go ahead then enlighten me
I'd say the T.Rex wins 55-65% of the time. I would not give the Tyrant Lizard King agility, agility is also determined by speed and also since the neck and head movements are quicker on Giga it would show better agility.
Not really since rotational inertia exists in which t rex does have it better off. Neck movement here isn't the most major contributing factor, these two could dorsiflex and laterally flex their necks. Faster doesn't really dictate more agile like in abelisaurs such as carnotaurus. The two aren't really associates or correlated definitely or neccesarily
Good video and far from another rex bias spree I've seen parroted over and over. It's very good to see notation that there is that giant titanosaurs potentially up to Argentinosaurus' size did exist with Giganoto as the "T-REX Mafia" as I call the extreme fans seem to have taken to parroting that Giganotosaurus was only hunting small game. The earlier argentine giant just hasn't been classified. Last I am aware, it likely was the case they coexisted.
T. rex easily wins of course.!
Totally wrong giganotosaurus carolinii coexisted with only medium size prey like limaysaurus or andesaurus.!
@@rodrigopinto6676Actually we have partial remains of a large sauropod in the Candeleros formation that hasn’t been named yet that was similar in size to Patagotitan and Argentinosaurs.
@@rodrigopinto6676 Next time, watch the video.
@@Tarbtano Poor ignorant
Sure, Trex would likely win against spino... unless of course... Spino got him in the water lol.
Now Rex vs Giga, i still feel could go either way.
Yo overseer can you do majungasaurus crenatissimus vs arctotherium engustidens or carnotaurus sastrei vs arctotherium engustiden or could you do livyatan melvelai vs otodus megalodon or otodus megalodon vs mosasaurus
Good analysis ultimately the giga had speed and the T-Rex 🦖 had bulk it’s very close but I agree T-Rex 🦖 wins atleast mid-high difficulty
T rex easy wins
@@rodrigopinto6676 Are you a toddler?
one more thing about speed is explained by Paleontologist David Hone during a lecture that the foot of the T Rex is differently designed than every single theropod closer in weight to T Rex, as the center part of the foot shrinks in the upper end, that type of foot is called the Arctometatarsalian Condition, and only 3 groups of dinosaurs have these feet, and all coelurosaurs, the Troodontids, the Ornithomimids, and the Tyrannosaurs, these feet are perfectly adapted for the animals to be extremely efficient in quick turns, energy saving, maintaining one speed consistently for several hours, the best feet for long distance travels and etc.
Yes, Trex agility is overlooked and underrated.
But Trex would probably low diff or medium diff
No, high diff. Any bite to an important area would usually mean the end to the fight, any fight with another successful apex predator of similar size will be high difficulty.
I am a bit confused why people thinks that large predator dinosaurs like T-Rex would have been unable to kill prey much larger then themself? Plenty of modern predators are capable of taking out prey many times their own size and they don't even have the over sized bite weapons of a T-Rex.
Maybe because it wasn't built for that type of stuff, it was built for taking things it's size or a tad bigger. But Giganotosaurus on the other hand, thanks to it's impressive strength and bleeding bites, it would have taken down sauropods rivaling the size of argentinosaurus and some other sauropods smaller
I vote for the REX.
U got 1 THING wrong and thats the height, Trex is currently tought to be taller with giga being 3.7 and rex being 3.8
The T. Rex was not taller than giga, the Giganotosaurus grew between 12-14 feet tall and the rex 11-12.
@GigaIsBetter t rex grew between 11 and 13 feet tall. That's for the hips as its head being more upright in posture boasted a 14 foot height . The giga was taller at the neural spine at roughly 14-15 feet though shorter at the hips at around 3.6-3.7+ meters
Spinosaurus is looking at this fight, knowing its a fight for second place . Spino number 1, it lived with (basically) a giga , in charchar, and spino is now back to being a land based predator , yet it even outlasted the charchar, showing its land dominance. And in the water it had to compete alongside sarco sized crocs, yet it STILL thrived for 10 million years, TRIPLE that of rex, and TWICE that of charchar.
There is also a private specimen of a spino tooth embedded in an ADULT charchar vertebrae, with tooth and claw marks that showed NO SIGNS of healing, meaning the charchar was killed. That tells it all.
People might not like it, especially after the 2014 study that has been completely debunked in almost every way now. Spino fights megatheropods for a living.
Kind of irrelevant to compare duration of time Rex’s were around to spinosaurus given we don’t know how long Rex’s would have continued if the k2 extinction didnt happen.
@@hunterglaspell while i do generally agree, a fact is still a fact. Also there are studies suggesting rex numbers were dwindling before the k2 anyway. As were many late cretaceous dinos.
@@niallmoseley6760 what fact? Spinosaurus changes drastically every few months with a new paper release, so saying it was land dominant is generous at best given most of the studies have been throwing ideas at a wall with the limited data we have from the fossil record and seeing what sticks. The mere existence of another apex predator like charchars in the same environment is due to niche partitioning, meaning both animals probably preyed on different prey items. Spinosaurus being at the very least semi aquatic and certainly more piscivorous suggests charchars were more capable on land than spinosaurus was. Also, a single fossil example of spinosaurus getting the upper hand in a fight does NOT say it all, as with most fights in nature, whatever gets the first hit is likely to win that encounter. I think it unwise to extrapolate those findings further, even if you are a spinosaurus fan. Finally, there are many factors that can lead to a decline in a taxa, much of which doesn’t mean an inferiority of one species to another on an individual basis. Despite what recent documentaries have portrayed *cough* Life on Our Planet *cough* that’s not how evolution works. Spinosaurus was more diverse in its diet to that of charchars, so a decline in charchars could have been due to an overall decline in their primary prey item, whereas spinosaurus had much more to choose from, leading to a longer track record on earth.
@@hunterglaspell ok so the largest most dominant carnivorous birds(closest related of theropod dinos) is the pleican and the albatross which are ecclusive fish eaters. The largest land predators are grizzlt brown bears and polars bears which are also fish eaters. So fish waters are usually the largest predators in nature.
Spinosaurus had the densenst bones of all land theropods and was land based.
So dense bones and fish eater = largest predaror. Wirhout biaseness riwards rex, spino had denser bones and had a more pro-size diet for a theropod and land predator.
Theres only one real answer and that is spino was the biggest and baddest if all the theropoids ... it had to be.
@@niallmoseley6760 brother, you need to slow down when you type, trying to decode half of what you say is a task itself. Modern animals aren’t always a great analog to understand the behaviors and traits of extinct animals. Phylogenetic bracketing can only get you so far. Environmental factors heavily influence traits of a species. It’s why convergent evolution happens in nature. You can deduce a lot about the strengths and weaknesses of a predator by looking at the prey items they go after. Though diversity in dinosaurs 10 million years and leading up to the K-T extinction seemed to be on a decline, the defenses of herbivores were at their best, with dinosaurs like Ankylosaurus being literal biological tank. It is no surprise to me that tyrannosaurus was not only one of the most well rounded predators in earths history as a result, but that diversity in tyrannosaurs wasn’t needed because it was just that dang good at being an apex predator. The different stages of a Rex’s life were all the ecosystem needed to primarily fill all of the ecological niches. Spinosaurus was specialized in fish, and you are correct that a lot of apex predators today also prey on fish. That being said, fish as a prey item doesn’t indicate inferiority of any animal that doesn’t prey on fish. To be certain, if spinosaurus and tyrannosaurus met in real life, it would have likely been a 50/50 as with most equality sized animals getting into fights. Spinosaurus was not that much larger than tyrannosaurus, with some weight estimates being that less of tyrannosaurus. There just really isn’t any much of a size difference for it to make a difference in who would have an upper hand. Spinosaurus had longer arms, tyrannosaurus has mass, agility, and strength. Each have reasons they should win, but it all comes down to who lands the first hit. Cheers 🍻
Always good dinosaur content here, Don't even need Netflix for it
I would say tyrannosaurus wins mid-high difficulty
No T. rex easy wins
I reckon it's completely 50/50
Nah
@@Dark-Hammer yes
@@Youfattyboy bro
@@Youfattyboygiga only having like 2 advantages
Many of the info you told were wrong.
Suggestion Lion vs Gorilla, Tiger vs grizzly bear, Lion vs black bear and Polar bear vs Bison
I will note an error you made, We technically have zero evidence of a giganotosaurus over 9 tons, The other specimen with the piece of jaw and teeth is beyond unreliable for weight, Therefor it’s not very fair to give it a 10.4 ton weight the same way it isn’t fair to give a tyrannosaurus a 15 ton weight
Also tyrannosaurus had sharp teeth, Which means it could have bled out prey easily like giga🤷 It’s not a video game either these battles go out beyond quickly so that “Bleed” Wouldn’t matter
Tyrannosaurus didn’t have sharper teeth. It’s teeth don’t even have proper cutting edges (serrations are offset to the sides).
@@bkjeong4302 It had over double the amount of serrations that giga had, They were also sharper serrations
@@GEK0dev
Yeah going to need sources on that?
@@bkjeong4302 I’ve tried posting one but UA-cam keeps deleting my dang comments every time I try🫠
Classic UA-cam moment
@@GEK0dev yeah no, T-Rex's teeth are peg shaped and broad, not having a great cutting edges, compare that to giganotosaurus that have a narrower knife like teeth with a better defined cutting edges
People really need to understand it takes more than bite force to win a fight. T-Rex do have more than that to win but it’s also smart. Seeing an animal almost equal to it in size and dimension would not want to risk it
bro this mf is just making piece with all t-rex vs giga fans not just these fans even other mega therapod lovers i love you man keep up the vids
Even though I like both animals a lot, the T. rex wins indisputably. It can incapacitate and kill the Giganotosaurus carolinii with one or two bites. It would be extremely painful to have his bones broken or exploded by this Tyrannosaurus.
It probably need 3 to 5 bites to injure giga. If the bite had a good solid bite it can take 3
@@Lunaorca No, any paleontologist in the field agrees that in two bites at most the Giganotosaurus would fall. I find it amazing how you paleontology fans underestimate the bite force of an adult Tyrannosaurus. A single bite to the snout of the Giganotosaurus would break it. This isn't Jurassic Park.
@@Cope_Paleontology but if we look at modern day animals with a high bite force, it can take them a while to broke down, unless a good solid or a bit of longer bite
@@Lunaorca This is similar : ua-cam.com/video/YDl7M9ROXPw/v-deo.html
@@Cope_Paleontology yes, but some senarios like jaguars sometimes loosing to green anacondas and tigers. Hyenas sometimes loose against a fully grown male lion and some pythons killing or still alive in the jaws of an alligator. Leopards also have a lower bite than a crocodile, but can still kill sometimes
Tbh I would’ve liked to see great white vs salt water croc far more to be fr
Tyrannosaurus vs Giganotosaurus is *NOT* close
Giga gang
Congrats on being the first comment!
@@TheOverseerDebates Yellowstone hyperpredator vs Meg when?
50/50 as the Giga & T rex both weights 10-11 tons and both are very strong predator for their sizes and weaponrys to kill each other.
E. D. Cope wins .
10.5 tons Giga slams mcraeensies rex mid diff as it has been downsized to 8 tons and it's a much smaller and nerfed T rex
and Giga destroys any other Tyrannosaurids ( Tarbo, Zhucheng, Alamotyrannus etc) low to no difficulty.
E.D Cope is no long reliable given its conditions. People thought MOR 008 was 15m and 15 tonnes a decade ago which turned out to be the opposite.
Giga might have reached 10 tonnes but Sue and Scotty? Probably not.
The weight estimates for Sue, adding the 382 L hindlimbs to the 9294 L axial body gives 10,058 L (~9555 kg at 0.95 SG) using the same method cited above for the holotype. As for Scotty, it might well be similar in size to Sue, (John Hutcherson has mentioned) or perhaps smaller if the torso length from scaling laterals of its mounts is correct. It’s femora, hips, etc. are bigger sure, but a shorter trunk would do a lot to offset it.
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@Unbearable_Truth E.D.Cope not being reliable would also mean that the dentary giga is taken out of account. Using sue, Scott and comparing them to the holotype would yield an 8+ ton animal, that being the giga, against an animal which conservatively fits the 9.5 ton range and in scotties case, roughly 10.4 tonnes
@@Unbearable_Truthtell me you hate Tyrannosaurus without telling me you hate Tyrannosaurus.
Scotty was definetly over 10 tonnes, and E.D.COPE is far more reliable than any Giga paratype estimate, it is the 10 tonne Giga that should be questioned.
@@Unbearable_Truth Please respond to my issue on the previous comment, you gave yet to give the specimen name of a 10t Giganotosaurus
First up I'd like to say great video mate, love ya stuff! Secondly I value everyone's opinion. But I'm a simple man and what I see before me are two monstrous skulls, one a giant rock with bollards for teeth the other a gargantuan set of slashing scissors. Rock beats scissors.😊
In Dino Crisis 2, the Giganotosaurus dwarved the T-rex enough for it to carry the T-rex into its mouth and beat it in a battle.
The og ark giga
Yeah that’s going way too far to the other extreme.
@@bkjeong4302 Dino Crisis 2 really made me think that Giganotosaurus was that big compared to the T. Rex.
@@KyoushaPumpItUpthe dc2 giga was actually mutated its really confusing
That rex sure got yeeted.
Yellowstone hyperpredator vs Meg when?
Try not to mention unconfirmed and undescribed animal challenge:
Mei when he uses an undescribed animal in AvA
@@Dinosaur_Guy try not to calmuny me challenge:
@@frost7463 I already published it kid
@@Mei23448 link
smh smh... Deviljho Victims.
But for real here, rex wins 55-60% of the time. BUT, 55-60% is basically still a coin toss, both animals only need 1-3 bites to kill the other, if either carnivore can bite into the other's neck, the battle has ended. Even giganotosaurus with a lesser bite force can still crush rex' jugular in a single blow.
Though, if you have different opinions, or facts that disprove my belief, than be free to criticize!
I agree, Tyrannosaurus Rex would win. However I don't think this would be very close.
giga=20+ mph, Rex=17mph
Trex is heavier yet more agile? Is that a joke?
Seemingly it was more agile
It's heavier yet possessed a lower inertia, likely due to their skeletal which compensated for said weight and aided in pivoting and turning. Mass is only one factor of many that play in agility
T rex by 10% but its close.
Dislikes this video and stopped watching after 12 seconds. You know why 😢
gigas probably came in packs, the rex aint...
Pretty sure this is a 1v1. And t rex do likely either have family groups or could mob
Roland Tembo stomps both.
And when did rexs bite get buffed to 13,834
I love how this debate is more civil with people actually using real stats and studies
Way better than the Rex vs spino debates from the early 2010s 😂
Oh lord that takes me back to the discussions under the Movieclips (i think it was them) T. rex vs. Spinosaurus video☠️
Because of internet growth most people now know the real sizes & stats of these animals instead of saying Giga is 15 tons and oneshots Rex
There are too many things you glossed over with more to it. For starters:
1) Why didn't you use the speed study by Van Bijlert? It's the latest one and it estimates Tyrannosaurus at 4 - 6 mph with 11mph brisk speed bursts.
2) There is no evidence that Tyrannosaurus hunted Alamosaurus. Same thing going head to head with Triceratops or Ankylosaurus. Pack hunting is theorized given how dangerous those herbivores were.
3) Tyrannosaurus had a large brain mainly because that majority portion was dedicated to smell. I remember the intelligence papers that came out for Baryonyx and it was that far off from Tyrannosaurus.
4) It's highly likely than Carcharadontosaurids are heavier than Tyrannosaurids based on the Fabbri 2022 bone density study. The estimated mass for MUCPv-ch1, using a density of 0.95 kg/L (Larramendi, Paul, & Hsu, 2020), would be around ~8.17 tonnes which is higher than other average sized Tyrannosaurus. (Stan is 7 tonnes)
MUCPV-95, it's latest measures are 6.6% at bare minimum bigger than the holotype, which gives a weight that rivals, if not exceeding Sue/Scotty. Giganotosaurus is overall the larger theropod between the two.
Do you think that it's 80-90% in favor of the Giganotosaurus?
Angry giga fanboy
Yeah I seriously doubt Tyrannosaurus was that slow. Last time I checked both theropods were able to move at around 30kmh.
T rex was likely faster ngl, that's a massive lowball
@@niocriste2705cry over the fax rex fanboy.
How about a video about Appalachiosaurus? Eastern dinosaurs are underrepresented. Western dinosaurs are highly overrated.
Carcha better than both
Giganotosaurus, Mapusaurus, Tyrannotitan & Saurophaganax > Carcharodontosaurus
Trex better
I don't normally think of battling dinosaurs. When I do, I think of something like lion prides facing down packs of hyenas - the potential violence is there, but whoever has a significant mass/ratio in the confrontation is going to chase off the other with minor issues. Predators avoid being hurt, when they can.
Your real dangerous confrontations come, not over food, but mates... And that's iffy with different species. Still, most battles I've seen between various birds are over mating privileges and nesting territories. I've found male hummingbirds impaling each other. And watched a Robin beat its rival to death over a solid ten minutes of combat.
I wouldnt say its close at all
Biggest Giga is about 8.5 tons not counting the fragmentary dentary 10,1 ton giga
biggest rex is 11,4 tons thats almost 4 tons difference
rexes are bigger, stronger, smarter, more battle experienced, more agile and just more evolved you can say
giga dosent really stand much of a chance against a rex,
if its max size rex and max size giga (without the dentary one as its very fragmentary and pretty unreliable pretty sure) then rex wins with low difficulty
if its average 9 ton rex and a max size giga then its a mid maybe medium high diff for rex
Biggest Giganotosaurus is 10.4 tons & 13.6 meters ( paratype) and it has confirmed actual GDI of 10+ tons.
Biggest Tyrannosaurus is currently 10.45 tons Scotty.
( E.D. Cope is highly controversial not to mention it has no confirmed 11+ tons GDI. Randomdinos estimates placed it at 10.65 tons & 12.3 meters)
the dentary giga is also controversiala and ED cope has estimates above 11 tons@@MonsterZilla452
@@Mike_The_Allosaurus
1: 8.5 tons is 2.9 less then 11.4, not even three, much less almost four, so even using your numbers, that is an absurd claim.
2: if the goal is an accurate comparison between the two species, and were discounting the giganotosaurus paratype, why not use a more average sized t rex specimen to compare to the giganotosaurus holotype? Is it becuase then the multi ton advantage almost disappears, and no t rex fanboy can have that?
3: intelligence is almost impossible to determine for extinct animals, so while one could say t rex was likely smarter then giganotosaurus, saying it for certain, or attempting to give any specifics would be impossible.
4: what do you mean by battle experience? If it's the experience accrued over the life time of the animal, giganotosaurus lived twice as long as t rex, and as such the average adult giganotosaurus likely had far more experience then the average adult t rex.
5: agility is multi faceted, and t rexs only possed the advantage in just one part of it, so saying t rexs was more agile is at best a half truth.
6: what do you mean more evolved? If it's time, is a house cat more evolved then t rex.
7: define low/mid difficulty. Are you saying t rex would win 70% 80% 90% etc.
Mf comparing a reliable giga with an unreliable Rex lmao🤓👆.
Just to remind you
Giga holotype is 8.8-9 tonnes
Rex holotype ( Stan) is 7.5 tonnes
the dentary giga is nowhere near reliable lol its very fragmentary mf and the weight can be rreally off the limits, the giga holotype is 8.4 tons and rexes average 8-9 tons in weight lmao@@hafizurrahman1006
"Let's push out the clear loser?" EH!?! Spinosaurus would WRECK T. Rex just by being confusing and shape-shifting the whole battle lol
😂
Trex: ...what the hell are you?
Spinosaurus is standing in the river, continuing to shape change and now crying.
Spino: I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT I AM ANYMORE....
T.rex: 🤯
@@Dinoslay"This isn't even my final form... or my form at all"
The spino would be like 20 tones then the next second boom 6-7 tones lol
@Steam537 spino: Hey guys!!! Check out the new weight gain, huh? Who's top theropod in weight now!?
Giga and Rex attempt to clap
Sudden flash of light.
Rex: What just happened? Wait... where's your fresh girth?
Spino begins to cry. Giga tries to comfort him, but he turns away with his floppy tail. He flees to the river in violent waves of tears.
Giga and Rex just stare...
I think I'd rate T-Rexes vs. Giganotosauruses, the same way I would rate Smilodons (or other Sabertooth cats) vs. Panthera big cats, such as American/European lions or tigers.
Sabertooth cats (and T-rex) were build for fighting. They were stronger, bigger, heavier, more dexterous etc.
Where as, Panthera cats (and subsequently Giganotosauruses) were build for more efficient hunting.
Given the size and bulk of these animals, I imagine they would just go direct jaw-to-jaw at each other, sort of like how Jack and Stumpy was fighting in Dinosaur Revolution. In that scenario, it is difficult to imagine any Theropods would be able to stand up the T-rex. T-rex's massively-built jaw and neck, significantly more so than any Theropods in its weight class, are perfectly designed for this sort of frontal and direct confrontation. The best chance for the Giganotosaurus is to outmaneuver the T-rex and latch on its side. However, the Rex is much more agile and has better eyesight, so I am not sure how the Giga could pull this off. Maybe if the Rex accidently trips on a rock or something, then the Giga could win.
I thought this was made year ago lol
Tyrannosaurus rex vs Giganotosaurus carolinii 2024
Tyrannosaurus rex stats
Specimen- BHI 6248
Height- 4.1m at the hips
Length- 12.8 meters ( 42 ft)
Weight- 11,740 kgs ( 11.7 tonnes)
Bite force- 7 tonnes
Era- Late cretaceous America
Giganotosaurus stats
Specimen- mucpV-95
Height- 4.2m at the hips
Length- 13.5 meters ( 45 ft)
Weight- 10,260 kgs ( 10.2 tonnes)
Bite force- 4.3 tonnes
Era- mid cretaceous South America
Tyrannosaurus advantages- bigger, bulkier, more muscular & stronger, more agile, more powerful bite force , intelligence
Giganotosaurus advantages- taller , faster, more experience,
Serrated teeth
Verdict:
Tyrannosaurus rex- 65%
Giganotosaurus- 35%
Winner- Tyrannosaurus rex 🦖 🏆 ( 65% chance or mid-high diff)
Theres tons of animals with high bite force but still looses.
@@Lunaorcanone of them are really comparable in analogy to t rex ngl
@@kingofprehistory7851 croc or aligator vs anaconda/Phyton or jaguar vs anaconda
@@Lunaorca none of them are really usable here. A python can't be represented as a giga. A crocodilian can't be represented as a t rex. Both are wildly different
@@kingofprehistory7851 just saying that just because it has a bigger bite that doesnt mean it wins. Nature can be unpredictable, just like the lion vs tiger
Holotype Giganotosaurus is 12.7 metres & 9.02 tonnes not 12.4
Bruh giga fans are seething
Nah, T-Rex one shots mid
The giga in a way was built to be a glass canon
T rex wins mid diff
It's too overpowered for a giga to handle
Nah.
This fight is like sapiens vs neanderthal or leopard vs jaguar.
My favorite part of these videos' comment sections is scrolling down from the multiple paragraph long comments explaining the science and modern research behind each competitor, then getting an immediate shift to "[insert unrelated fighter here] victims" comments.
Jurassic Park Dilophosaurus piloted by human level intelligence victims, btw.
Giganotosaurus carolinii stats
Height- 4.1m at hips
Length- 13.6 meters ( 45 ft)
Weight- 10.4 tonnes
Bite force- 3.9 tonnes
Specimen- Mmchpv-95
Giganotosaurus chances against other megatheropods
1. Carnotaurus~ 2.2 tonnes
( Giga wins no diff)
2. Allosaurus~ 4.6 tonnes
( Giga wins neg diff)
3. Torvosaurus~ 5.5 tonnes
( Giga wins no-low diff)
4. Acrocanthosaurus~ 5.8 tonnes
( Giga wins low diff)
5. Spinosaurus~ 7.8-8.3 tonnes
( Giga wins low-mid diff)
6. Deinocheirus~ 8.4 tonnes
( Giga wins low-mid diff)
7. Carcharodontosaurus~ 8.2 tonnes
( Giga wins mid diff)
8. Saurophaganax~8.3-8.9 tonnes
( Giga wins mid-high diff)
9. Mcraeencis rex~ 8.8 tonnes
( Giga wins mid high diff)
10.
Final round
Tyrannosaurus rex vs Giganotosaurus
Stan~ 7.6 tonnes ( average Rex)
( Giga wins low-mid diffs)
Sue~ 10 tonnes & Giga~ 10.4 tonnes
( Giga wins extreme diff)
Scotty ~ 10.4 tonnes & Giga~ 10.4 tonnes
( 50/50) or Tyrannosaurus extreme diff.
( E.D. cope is an unreliable fragmentary+ it's size hasn't confirmed yet so should be ignored).
It's not an extreme diff trex takes it midd diff even if the giga has a one or two ton advantage
Two errors, One is the 10.4 giga is beyond unreasonable for an actual weight estimate as it doesn’t have any evidence behind it besides teeth and a piece of the mandible and that could scale up or drastically down depending on other bones found,
Second off, A tyrannosaur north of 9 tons would more then likely wash a Giga in a fight, There legitimately, Is nothing a Giga can do besides getting lucky
That Deinocheirus size estimate is outdated, the same person who did the GDI confirmed it was too wide and stated 7.1 tonnes is more reasonable.
@@GEK0dev Why not say something about the Saurophaganax size estimate as well? It's based on Leviathan, which is a mashup of 2 extremely fragmentary specimen.
He also used E.D Cope at the end, which doesn't have an actual GDI as of now, but Randomdinos put it at 10.65 tonnes.
@@theskyis_black9074 Dang I didn’t even notice that, And ofc yea cope I think most people put around 10.56 to 11.2 tons or so or somewhere in that range, I think this guy gave giga WAYYY to much credit, I don’t see a giga managing to kill anything like sue
I'll never get used to his british accent.
Trex wins neg diff
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Not even in dreams boy.
It's high extreme diff for Tyrannosaurus if it ever wins
Its midd diff still trex takes the win
@@Googly_moogly6high-extreme lol.
Rex mid diffs carcharodontosaurus and Giga is 2 tons bigger than Carcharodontosaurus.
@@MonsterZilla452 Even if giga had a two ton weight advantage over a trex the trex would still win weight does play roll in a fight but the trex's bite is just simply too devastating for anything to survive Not counting the battle experience and the battle iq advantage the t rex has
While I would give it to T-rex by a very slim margin, I would say T-rex is not leaving the fight in a good shape either. But realistically if these two did size each other up, likely they would not have a fight, maybe a stare down and then back away. Since well Real Life animals don't get into unneeded fight to the deaths unless it's a hunt or have no choice. It's a more of a human thing to go have fights which can cripple you.
Tyrannosaurus rex easy wins of course
It's only close if you know next to nothing about either animal.
It's not close. At all. Trex wins. Every time.
Still posting fanboy comments huh? You already got proven wrong on plenty of topics. You're a biased T.rex fanboy. Plain and simple.
T rex wins but it ain't easy breh
@@Unbearable_Truth 1. i have no idea who you are or why you are following me around UA-cam.
2. I haven't been proven wrong about anything concerning dinosaurs.
3. I'm not a trex fanboy. I'm a dinosaur fanboy. I care about the truth.
@kingofprehistory7851 yes, it would have been easy. The strength, toughness, and fighting experience of the trex trumps anything the giganotosaurus could bring in a one on one fight.
@@KurNorock not neccesarily. Both were of a similar mass and had different forms of mobility. While the rex would've won high diff its not "easy" by any means
I have to disagree on the "bite effectiveness" point. Whatever the T.rex bites, it destroys. The giganotosaurus would need to land multiple bites, whereas the T.rex would only need to land one.
Also, run speed doesnt really matter in a head to head fight. Giganotosaurus had a higher straight line run speed, but it wouldn't have been able to accelerate fast enough to get out of striking range if it's starting within biting range.
Why would Giganotosaurus need multiple bites? Predators that bleed out their prey kill far more quickly and efficiently than that unless the prey is far larger than themselves. BOTH sides can one-hit-kill the other here.
Simple; unless the giganotosaurus lands a neck bite (literally impossible when T.rex turns twice as fast as it), bleeding wounds represent superficial damage that reptiles are *very* good at healing from. If it's a deep bite into muscle tissue, reptiles are *still* great at healing from those.
Furthermore, have you noticed that most terrestrial animals (or animals with terrestrial prey) kill with suffocation or crushing? Lions, tigers, jaguars, crocodiles, ferrets, all kill with suffocation or crushing. This changes in marine environments. Exposure to oxygen begins the congealing process to heal from flesh wounds.
Bears are the exception, but they just maul you and start eating you while you're still alive. They also tend to outsize the hell out of their prey.
Smaller predators like African painted hounds slash, but they hunt in big packs and as you guessed, they need to inflict a crazy number of wounds to bring down prey and remember: reptiles are better at healing from this stuff than mammals.
T.rexes are already ridiculous with durability and healing to begin with. Unless you're piercing organs or shattering its bones, you probably won't kill one. And guess what: Ankylosaurus and Triceratops evolved to do literally just that. Why didn't they evolve to slash and bleed out T.rexes? There are ankylosaur relatives with slashing blades for osteoderms and ceratopsians with slashing horns may have been a thing, but certainly not with those two. Why? It wouldn't be effective enough on a densely muscled opponent like T.rex. Again, why? When something that powerful comes at you, your first shot needs to either kill instantly, or back it down. Triceratops and Ankylosaurus evolved for that purpose.
Giganotosaurus bites certainly did not kill instantly unless the prey was smaller or it landed a neck bite. T.rex could unironically bite heads like jaguars and kill. There's even a triceratops specimen that showed that a T.rex bit its face. The trike got out alive, which even shows that it was a predatory bite, not scavenging. Giganotosaurus couldn't pull off instakills like that.
Hell, T.rexes heal from vertebrae shattering bites from other rexes. Bone healing is so much harder than flesh wound healing. To cause enough blood loss, a giganotosaurus would need to land more bites. Also if you think vertebrae shattering bites from other T.rexes didn't cause outrageous blood loss, then you're not using your brain.
And you're forgetting the most important thing about Theropod fights. They involve face biting. There's no way in hell a giganotosaurus, or indeed any Theropod tops a T.rex in such a situation.
rex slams and its not even close 👍
giga would win
Malarkey.
I would love to see how these 2 amazing apex predators would have interacted with each other. Now obviously these animals would avoid conflict whenever possible, and even if they did get into a conflict with one another, it would have most likely been a threat display until one of them backed down (which I’m curious how that would go). But if a fight were to break out, it really is a SUPER close fight. Both have distinct advantages over the other that can end the fight in a single bite. Certainly would be a battle for the ages. Also why Spino gotta catch the stray 😭. He good boyo doing good boyo things like eating pheesh
Yomamasaurus the winner,IMHO
Giganotosaurus would win high extreme diff
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Rex wins, low diff.
@@HeWhoMurksWithOneLeap 🤡🤣
This fights always annoyed me because of how most people act like it's always a low diff for the rex they're both large predators around the same weight and the giga is slightly taller and longer bite force isn't the end all be all to determine this they had different hunting styles trex needed it's bite force to be that powerful giga didn't I say this fights as 50/50 as 50/50 can possibly get
Hard to keep your distance and land bites on an opponent that's both stronger and more agile than you. Giga's all hype, where T-Rex just keeps delivering year after year. Every time we think we've figured out its limits, we find a bigger one.
We have so much T Rex material, and so little material from other mega-therapods like Giganotosaurus that any kind of intelligent comparison is impossible.
keep in mind that T-Rex fossils have been found since 1907, which the holotype specimens for Giganotosaurus is recently discovered in 1996, the Giga may not have much materials but better research will broaden our understanding over the other mega-theropods
@@richie_07401996 isn't recently. 30 years have passed.
It’s actually not close at all. They have about 22 million years and several thousand miles between their battle.
What a load of Bullshit, the Tyrannosaurus wins with high difficulty. There’s no silly thing as a 13 ton Giga lol 😂
We still didnt know much about them tho
@@Lunaorca yeah but based of the skeletal structure of Giganotosaurus it’s presumable that it didn’t weigh up to 13 tons, that would be too much weight for a bipedal theropod with less denser bones than tyrannosaurus to handle.
@@DinoFan1993 theres probably tons of gigas out there that are bigger and still yet to be discovered and still needed to be studied.