Congrats - incredible production value and a really helpful review. Looks like a versatile pump/lightwind wing/bumpriding option to add to the quiver. Looking forward to the next episode on that.
Hello Nico, you gave me (93kg) some information about the 1360. Now that I am on vacation or in practice, I am realizing the full extent of your expertise 😚 I would like to thank you again for your comments as I had doubts as to whether the 1360 was the right step after 1750, 1550 & 1350. I'm on my way from paddle pop-up to DW - beginner lessons. Here by the sea, I can catch waves with the wing at full speed and surf flat sections in a relaxed manner. For me, the approximately 1400 square meters with modern futures are ideal as the next step to the DW. I was unsure for a long time because I had to have the "right weather conditions" first. Now I can only approve of your information - thank you!
THANKS !! Always good to get some feedback. The 1360 got a lot of potential once you get it dialed in. I am in Thailand right now and the one front wing I miss the most is the 1360. I took a Razor 980 for pumping instead but the 1360 might have been the better choice. Maybe next time.
Great comparison 👍 thank you. I also like your statements at the beginning and congratulate you on the success with your channel. Would be great to meet one day. Cheers Alfred
Nice video thank you so much. I practice flat water pumping in no windy days with 110 l kt dragonfly board, 84 red devil mast, 370 stab . Just had only two sessions with 1360 and still no fly at moment. I came from 1550 and 1350 leviathan and there were no problems. I miss just a little of speed maybe, i can go out with all the mast , but I can’t fly by pumping only with legs. I think I am almost there. Put a degree shim on the second session and it was better , but maybe half degree will be on the next try. I really hope to reach the fly or I ma gonna back to the 1350. Thanks again for you videos
Hey, keep trying !!! I had a few friends with the same problem at the beginning and now they are fine. Every front wing is different and you need to get used to it. The Leviathan Pros a very special, especially the 1260, 1160 and 1060 but they are a lot of fun once you know how to treat them. In light wind winging try to not go to high on the mast as this is lost energy. Try to accelerate with small pumping motions instead, pulling you up and forward with the wing. Give it some time and you will get the feel for it. Maybe go out on a day with a little more wind where you can more or less sheet in and go and try to depower the wing, pump and than power up the wing again if you are loosing it.....GOOD LUCK AND LOT's OF FUN (-:
Hi, i’m looking for a light wind frontwing and mainly for gliding and only winging. No Dock-starting / Pumping. I have always been thinking about the Razor Pro but due to the T6 Fuselage never went for it. Do you think that the new 1260 or even 1160 is a replacement or even a potential competitor for the Razor Pro 975 or 875? Because of my wight, I’m like you 65kg, and I want it more manoeuvrable and not Dock.Starting, I’m thinking about the 1160 instead the 1360 or 1260. What do you think, would be the 1160 an option from 8-10knt flat water winging and 65kg? Thx !!
Hey, totally get your point. For a very long time I stayed away from the T6 wings and fuselages because I did not want to invest into another system and make things even more complicated. Then launched the PIUMA system and I could not resist and once I have tried it, I went all in. I love the Razor and Razor Pro and for light persons like you and me the 980 and 975 are a light wind weapon. Super turning, very agil, fast and good glide. The 1060 and 1160 maybe have a little more glide but if you are 65kg I think the Razors have more than enough glide. I was on the Razor Pro 975 today in maybe 8 knots of wind with a 55 liter Duotone Skybrid and a 4.5 Duotone Unit SLS Blue Concept. I could get up easy, cruise around connect bumbs and could easily pump the 975 for at least a minute when the wind dropped down. Maybe you can pick up a used T6 fuselage and give it a try. The 980 is discontinued, it's very similar to the 975, just 1.1mm thicker which adds some low end and a little earlier take off but sacrifices some speed. If you wanted to stick with the T8 I would try to demo the 1060 and see how you like it. In pumping I love the 1160 but in light wind winging the Razors are just more fun. Hope that helps....
@@hoppline Thx so much for your feedback ! I will definitely go for it and get a Razor Pro with a T6 fuselage. In terms of the size, and i know its very difficult as everyone has is own preferences. But I think since you got the entire Razor Pro Range, how to you see/rate the differences between the 975 and the 875? Is the 975 really just for light wind from 8 -12 and then it gets for example to much front pressure, or is it like the 909 that goes up into the mit 20s and just exaltiertes without any much foot pressure change? or would the 875 cover a bigger range even thought it will start only a few knots later?
@@watomi007 Hey, they are all very close together !! 975 and 875 are surprisingly close when it comes down to turning and agility. I do notice a difference, especially in waves but it's not as big as you think it would be. Stepping up from the 875 to the 975 I am over and over surprised how good it turns. The main downside is losing a little speed and top end. You can push the 975 to a point where it still rides nice but just won't get any faster. You do gain some glide on the other hand. I can still dock start the 975 ( running start 5/10) but not the 875. It pumps nice and fast and I do use this feature a lot during light wind winging sessions to connect little wind waves or tanker waves. I steeper waves the 875 and especially the 825 outruns the 975 as they not only turn better in the pocket but just offer a higher speed range to keep up with the wave. In terms of foot pressure: The whole Razor Pro line does not have a huge amount of pressure on your front foot ! If you pair it with a shorter fuse and small stabilizer (S325 is my favorite) it becomes very sensitive and nimble. It does take some time to get used to and to control the pitch. Sometimes I wish it had a little more pressure on the front foot but that would mean sacrifices somewhere else. I just tried the new Slingshot One-Lock paired with a Glide 725 and it had a lot more front foot pressure, but therefore lacked a little top speed. It's always a compromise (-: Hope that helps.....
Hi, so great review & look forward next second part. Ahead of your next review as winging, how is turnabilty of new WLP1360 compared with WLP1260 in light wind winging? WLP1360 looks different shapes between other WLPs. WLP1260 is bit slipy (unstable) in slow speed curving as my feeling...
Turning on the WLP1360 is surprisingly good and I think up to pair with the WLP1260 if not even better. In low speed the WLP1360 has a noticeable advantage as it has a lower stall speed. Breaching was no problem and actually a lot of fun. The WLP1260 likes to be ridden fast. It did feel the difference using the Red Devil mast as it was smoother and more rigid. A friend of mine has been struggling to get the WLP1260 going from the dock and we ended up putting his 1260 on my set. Second try he was up and going. I am not sure if it was the board or the mast, but we will find out soon.
@@hoppline In case of riding wide span wings as WLP1260/1360, is there big difference between normal kraken mast or stiffer mast such as red devil, regarding curving stability in swells?
@@ywata6676 It's not a BIG difference, but depending on your weight and how radical your style of riding is you can definitely tell them apart. I am 70 kg in winter and my style of riding is not to radical. The PIUMA was definitely to soft. The regular mast was okay but changing to the Red Devil, it just felt a little stiffer and responsive. The funny thing is, that I thought turns would be the problem, but in fact for me it's straight riding where I fell the difference the most. I think in turns you apply a lot of force and the mast is "twisted" and locked in. But going straight and maybe riding through some turbulences the mast can twist to the right and left. The 1160 on the PIUMA just felt awkward. Passing behind a tanker, passing high turbulent water was like riding an earthquake. Before the 1360 I never really considered to go for the Red Devil, but now I can see the benefits. Just keep in mind that the Red Devil mast has a solid construction and adds some weight. I put it on a scale and it' 2.08 kg !!
@@hoppline Thx for detailed reply. I am riding MK93 mast with WLP1260, just keeping to go straight is no matter (very stable). But once changing foot pressure balance for any actions (curve or turn, etc.), I feel unstable behaviors of my foil. In case of riding WMP869/669 with same setup, very stable during any actions. So my concern is that MK93 is not enough stiff for WLP1260...
@@ywata6676 You might be on the edge here with a 93cm mast. The longer the stiffer it needs to be. The WLP1260 is a very special wing and does require a certain type of riding. I had a similar feeling in turns during light wind winging in the beginning and was more or less turning without leaning into the turn (board stays parallel to the water surface and you just turn slowly in one direction). Turning did not feel very nice and not very stable. I than went for "more radical" turns and they felt much better. By radical I mean leaning more into the turn. I think the strange behavior comes from the different speed on each side of the foil when turning flat. The outside rotates faster, the inside slower. On a banked turn they are more on a similar speed, making turns feel a lot nicer. I than discovered that breaching is not a big problem and the bigger the angle of the foil breaking the water surface toward the water surface is, the easier it gets. If you just have a minor breach and the foil is almost parallel to the water surface, you might be sucking air all the way down the foil and crash, but if you breach on let say a 30 degree angle it's just a clean cut. Like I tried to explain in my video, I think the 1260, 1160 and 1060 are developed more towards downwind, fast riding in waves with banked turns. That's very they stand out. They still ride very nice in light wind winging if you keep that in mind. The 1360 is a different story, just came back from a light wind winging sessions and it's just more forgiving on all fronts. You do loose some top end though. Maybe you get a chance to try the 1360 on your gear set to see if that would make a difference!? I think that would be your best option. Reviews are nice but nothing beats first hand experience. Good luck !!!
Hey Nico, first of, thanks again for recommending the Balz 909 front. Super fun for very light kitfoiling and high wind wining. I have a chance to get a Lev1550 at a very good discount but after watching this video I'm second guessing getting the older style Lev. I'm touch over 100kg and just got a 125L midlength wing foil board (too bad Sabfoil isn't there yet with these sizes). I am using the old Sab1250 front which is serving me well but it seems like it doesn't have a lot of glide in it and I'm not really able do depower the wing and just leg pump on small bumps or wakes. Would going to a much higher AR help with that? What are your thoughts of 1550 vs 1360pro for very light wind lake winging and would either one be significantly better than the 1250?
Hey, I think the 1360 would be a very good option for you and be a significant upgrade in comparison to the 1250. Low end will be similar, maybe a little less on the 1360 but speed and agility will be on another level. Take off and low end would be better on the 1350 and 1550 for sure but you would sacrifice a far bit of agility. Wing foiling the regular Leviathans feels a little bit like slow motion, not so on the Leviathan Pros. For me (70 kg) the 1360 is an ultra light wind weapon and I can get going with almost no wind. For you it would be "just" a light wind weapon, but on that it very playful and agile to ride !!
Great review and congratulations for your channel! If you remember, can you please compare 1360 with 1250? Can it be said that it has the advantages of 1250 and 1350 without their disadvantages? The speed and maneuverability of the 1250 and the lift (only slightly less) , glide and pumping of the 1350? Im focused on light wind winging so far. Thank you.
Hey, yes, I think the Leviathan Pro is a very good compromise and not only matches the good sides of the 1350 and 1250 but for sure exceed them. It would say it is faster than the 1250, offers great lift for its size and thickness (close the 1350) and maneuverability is amazing for the wingspan. I have only done a few light wind winging sessions but performance was great. I am only 70kg wet with winter wetsuit so for me it's a SUPER SUPER light wind weapon. If you are a little heavier I think handling in normal light wind (8-10kn) will be much better in terms of maneuverability.
Great video! I used the 1350 last season for very light wind winging and really enjoyed it simply because it gets me going sub 10 knots. But as you say it is like slow motion winging. Above 10 knots I switch to the G1007 and then have the PTM 926 for windier days. My G1007 is past its best I’ve used it so much. Do you think the 1360 could replace both the G1007 and the 1350 for that 0 to 15 knot range? I’m 75 kg and using a AFS Whitebird 6’8”.
YEAP !! Definitely! I think it would not only replace both but also be faster and more agile. I know some people do enjoy riding the 1350 in light winds but for me it's just too slow. The 1360 might have a little less low end but therefore offers so much more speed and agility. For me it's the first ultra light wind weapon I actually do enjoy riding. And with your weight you might get into pumping as well (-:
@@hopplineI will not miss it!!! I’m anxious specially comparing it with 1260. by the way, Sabfoil doesn’t include it in the Wingfoil profile at their website
Great review! 1360 is definitely getting added to the quiver for small DW. How would you compare the low end of 980 to the 1260? I have the 1350 and 975. Wondering what foil would be best to add for the middle of the quiver. Maybe the 1360 could fill that too?
Hey, I think the 980 is discontinued. It's very similar to the Razor Pro 975, same shape, same wingspan just a little more chamber and 1.1mm thicker. Looks like a tiny change, but it does add some low end and sacrifices some speed. I have both, the 975 and the 980 and for me the only advantage of the 980 is, that it is easier to dock start and ladder start. The 1260 needs more speed to get going, but once up glide is amazing. If you go low and push it to hard it stalls but if you just led it glide it glides forever. I think the main advantage of the 1260 over the 1360 is top speed. If you don't need the speed, go 1360 (-:
Hey, I just found on of your questions in my mail. It's not showing here for some strange reason but I will try to answer it anyway. For me the 980 is easier to start from the dock than the 1260. This is dead start and maybe I just don't reach enough speed with the 1260. It's just not 10 out of 10. Running start both are similar, 980 is more forgiving, 1260 glides longer once you reach a certain speed. I have not tried the 1260 for paddle yup, so I am not sure about this on and I do struggle to paddle up the 980. I would love to get a dedicated DW board and give it a go again. On the 90 liter Torpedo it was very difficult.
@@hoppline thanks for the response. I appreciate the input. I’m thinking that although the 980 is slower, it might give a bit more low end while down winding Vs the 1260. Sometimes I get caught relaxing and lose speed so I need the extra help!
Thanks for your thourough review. Sounds really interesting for downwinding on the Dutch lakes. I agree on the WLP1260. That's a very good front wing and a lot of fun to use for light wind wing foiling (in small waves), but it's technical and somewhat unforgiving which is more noticeable when supfoiling/sup downwinding and pumping. Do you know why the Piuma range has been discontinued? It works perfect with the Razor Pro wings. And, the stifness with big wings is higher than with the regular Kraken masts, imho. All R6 connected gear (piuma and red devil masts and fuselages) seem to have been discontinued. Just after I sold all my R8 gear and invested in the R6 :-(.
Oh, no. You are just like me !! I went all in on the PIUMA system. I have 5 fuselages, 4 masts and I think 7 or 8 front wings. I LOVE IT. It's heaven for light people !!! I think in the end not enough people made the switch and the having to many lines and gear in the line up was getting to complicated for SABFOIL. I don't have any insights but it makes sense to unify things a little bit. Wish they had thought about this before they made the move to T6. Nevertheless I accept my fate and just bought another fuselage as a backup so I guess I will be able to use the PIUMA system for a few more years to come (-: . And for the 1260, it's just like you said. The 1360 really is on another page. It's much closer to the 1350, a lot more forgiving but still has a playful character, some speed and good turning. I think the higher chord and thin tips make all the difference.
@@hoppline It's great for light people, but also for middle aged men of average weight (around the 85kg mark) predominantly riding windswell (n = 1) ;-)
Thanks a lot for the great review, very interesting observations! I (~105 kg) read your helpful replies to the other comments, but unfortunately I have no experience with the Leviathan Pro, Razor etc. foils - only with Balz Pro 909 (winging in medium-to-high winds) and Leviathan 1150 (winging in light winds) - so it's difficult for me to really grasp the qualities of the 1360. I hope you don't mind a few more questions... The 1360 has a bit less area compared to the 1150, but am I correct in assuming that it's takeoff/stall speed is still at least as low due to a more efficient shape? I believe its top speed is also higher whereby it probably has less drag which also helps during takeoff? How would you say the 1360 turns compared to the 1150? It has more span but the wingtips are much thinner, so is it roughly the same? Thanks a lot in advance and I'm really looking forward to your winging review!
Hey, I think the main benefit of the 1360 over the 1150 is speed and drag. The 1150 has a very thick profile which helps a lot during take off in light wind winging and learning to dock start, but after a while and especially in the surf the 1150 is just a little to slow. The take of speed of the 1360 and the 1150 are very similar and like you suggested the larger span makes up for the smaller size. Personally I think the 1360 is just a little more active and with an active pumping motion it's a super light wind weapon. The 1150 has some drag and is more like sheet in and go. Turning is similar, but somehow it feels better to me on the 1360 ! Don't aspect magic as it still has a wingspan of 1320mm but it turns very nice and I even think a little more weight than I have would help (70kg wet). The 1360 can be ridden much faster and more radical than the 1150 and I think I have not yet reach the end. Went out on a few winging sessions and did some very tight turns last time. Recovering from radical turns and breeching is much better and playful. Over all I think the 1150 still has a special place in my heart but the 1360 will mostly take over. Never thought I would enjoy a front wing with a 1320 wingspan that much.
@hoppline Thanks a lot for the comments! It does sound like the 1360 would be a nice upgrade from the 1150. Will have to consider it when the budget permits 😁
I'm waiting for second episode where you promise to talk about winging and light wind winging. I'm interested into WLP1260 too. When do you think to get it public?
Hey, I hope to finish the video in about 2 weeks. I have done all the test and the 1360 is a light wind weapon! It's faster than a 1350 or 1150 and turns a lot nicer. It's a much for enjoyable ride. I did not like the Leviathans for light wind winging, I could get up in the slightest breeze but than it was like wining in slow motion. The 1360 is SO much better. I am amazed how good it turns and I keep hearing the same think from different people (-:
Hi hoppline! As an experienced dock start pump foil and user of the Sabfoil 1350 for a year and a half now, i was very interested in your review of the new 1360 front wing! So much so that my friend, who is also on the leviathan 1350, ordered the 1360 for himself as well. We received yesterday this new front foil and both tried it out today. We knew that a certain amount of adaptation time might be necessary but further to your review and our relatively advanced levels we were very confident to have made the normal upgrade. Yet after about 30 attempts each neither one of us were able to pump this new 1360!!!!!! We tried to advance the mast on the board, more speed on take off( not running start as our dock is too short, and everything imaginable but to no avail very sadly! Can you suggest anything to help us succeed? We can both pump the 1350 just under 3 minutes and succeed about 9 out of 10 starts. Really would appreciate your take on this to help us. Thanks a lot in advance! May the foil always be with you 🏄🤩
Hey, sorry to hear. Before I get into a few tips and tricks: I know how frustrating this can be, but try to accept and enjoy the challenge. I tried a lot of small front wings that took a lot of tries to get them going and once I had it dialed in it felt a lot more rewarding than hitting things first try. "Pro" wings usually have a smaller surface are and therefor need a little different technique. The 1350 has a lot more surface area and volume and is more forgiving on the start. Jumping on the 1350 it offers a wife area that helps to counter balance your weight even if the foil is not in motion. Once the foil travels through the water the thicker profile generates a good amount of lift at a low speed. With the Leviathan Pro 1360 (and even more with the smaller Leviathan Pros) things are a little different. The surface area is smaller and therefore there is not much resistance when you dead jump on foil. The profile is a lot thinner and needs more speed to generate lift. If I had to guess I would say you probably manage to land on the foil but fail to get into a clean pumping motion and at some point the front wings just drops and you are pushing it straight down into the water while pumping. This means you don't have enough speed. There's a few things you can try. Best and probably easiest would be a running start, getting a good amount of speed into the foil before jumping onto it. If your dock does not allow for running try to pull the board and foil as far back as you can before you start and then push it forward through the water. Once the board passes yourself it's time to jump. Keep in mind that the board is moving and you have to jump ahead of the board for a perfect landing. Let go of your front hand first. While you are jumping your body will get into a more upright position, leaving your back hand still on the board this will pull slightly on the tail of the board. This will result in a downward motion of the nose of the board but because of the push it will generate lift and come back up again by itself. If you would just push straight the nose of the board would come up and then get pushed down which is not very helpful and might result in a stall. With more advanced foils it is important to keep the water flow around the foil in a smooth motion. Try to land on the board very smoothly, like a cat, with more of a forward motion than a downward force. You can feather the impact by bending your knees. Once you landed on the board, try to generate more speed by engaging the first downward pump. In the next upward pump use your hands and arms, throw them forward to generate more speed, forward and upward to take the weight of the board. A smooth motion and water flow is very important. If you want, you can try the forward jump and landing first, trying to get as much speed into the foil as possible and then just go for a glide instead of a jump. Once you are comfortable, start pumping. The smaller and more advanced your front wing gets, the less room it leaves for imperfection and fails. It's all a process of learning. Try to film yourselves or watch each other and see what works and what does not. And like I said in the beginning: Try to enjoy the process !! It's all part of the game and trust me, once you are pumping around on the 1360 it will feel a lot more rewarding. I might make a video to this topic as I am getting a lot of questions. Hope this helps for now !
I encountered the sale difficulties as you do, with almost same pumping skills (max 3' on the 1350, 9/10 dockstart 1/10 beachstart) and I struggled to dial my starts with the 1360. My advices: 1) Move the mast plate +1,5 cm or +2 toward the nose to get your feet placement similar to the 1350 2) Push with the two legs almost equally and simultaneously (the 1350 is more backfooted). 3) To avoid stalls, go big and fat for your stabilizer. I was used to the 325 with the 1350, but on the 1360 the 370 helped me a lot (it doubled my success rate).
Thanks really very much @@hopplinefor this information and encouragement. I was on the point of reselling this brand new front wing but will go for it again. 👍🏄🙏🙏🙏
Hey, the MK83P will work fine. It is stiff enough and since your not riding with tremendous speeds with the 1360 drag is not to bad. You would feel the difference upgrading to the Red Devil mast, but it's not a "must" and if you already have a 83P mast just use that one!
Hi, congratulations on your review. I wanted to ask you for advice: I'm 46 years old and weigh 60kg, I recently bought a 100-litre downwind board and a 980 razor with which I go out with very light wind in wing foil, I would like to buy a Leviathan Pro and I am undecided between the 1260 and the 1360. I think I realised that the 1360 is easier, I would like to start learning the Pumping technique, and also use it with the wing. Could you help me choose?
If you want to start to lean pumping I would definitely go for the 1360. The 1360 might be a little bit slower on your wingfoil sessions but much easier in the pumping. Learning to pump on the 1260 would probably take a very long time. With 60 kg you are in the fortunate position that you can start to learn to pump on the 1360 immediately instead of going bigger first and then sizing down. The 1360 compared to the 980 will allow you to get going even faster and with less wind for light wind winging, but of course in return it will not be as agil and easy to turn.....it's always a compromise but in your case I think the 1360 will be the best on.
Thks 4 ur review, it’s really appreciated, great information! By the way I am thinking about adding to my set a Leviathan Pro for winging on lighters sessions. I’ve thought that 1260 could replace my Leviathan 1150 adding more speed, glide and take off for my 80 kg. Do you think that it’s a good choice? I’m curious about the 370 stab performance on these kind of wings and the way it can balance these big wings. Is it be possible because the thin profile of the wings? Could them works with faster stabs like 399 just for wing sessions? Thanks for your time and attention and congrats for your channel
THANKS !! I haven't done much testing yet, but I think the 1360 will work VERY good for light wind winging. I think it depends a little on the conditions if you prefer the 1260 or the 1360. Both would be good for your weight. If you prefer to go fast and maybe get into steeper waves, go for the 1260. If you are not concerned about high speed and just plan to rode flat water or tiny bumbs, the 1360 might be the better pick. I have tried the 1150 on light wind sessions and for me it was just to slow. Jibs are like slow motion. Both, the 1260 and 1360 will be much faster. And for the stab, the 370 is big enough to make up for a solid and stable system. You could throw on something faster if you wanted to. The S325 on the WLP1260 makes the whole system a little faster and it turns easier. On the 1360 I did not feel and measure any speed advantage while pumping. I think it is because the front wing is the braking factor and maybe because I was making more up and down curves than I was making on the S370. So the traveled distance of the foil might have been higher, but not the overall speed. It did free up the pitch and made it more agile and allowing for tighter turns for sure.
Hey mate, any chance of a review of the new Balz Pro W707/808/909 front wings? Nothing out there on the internet other than Balz telling us about them - he’s a freak of nature so his opinions don’t count. We really need a real word review please 🙏🏼
Hey, have not tried the Balz yet, but I have spent hours and hours on the Medusa Pro 769 and 669 (yesterday for the last time 😉). I think the Medusa Pro and the Balz are more or less identical, the only difference I saw in the video might be a slightly less pronounced curve in the concave. It's still one of my favorite wings, especially if you are into fast and radical riding. The low end is amazing due to the thicker profile in the center. A lot of my friends ended up riding the Medusa Pro as their daily driver and most of them ended up on one size smaller than they thought they would. So I assume the Balz Pro are different sizes, but the same great performance. Further I really do believe they can of copied the concept in a stretched out version for the Leviathan Pro 1360....
@ Thanks for the reply 👍🏻 I think they could be a bit different from the Medusa Pro wings as they are thinner, have a longer chord and less anhedral. Maybe this would translate to better drive for riding swell? I’m looking at T8 options now they cancelled the Onda line (my favourite wings).I was looking for a smaller Onda 835 but they never delivered - maybe the 707 could be it. I found the 669 too small. It seems nobody other than Balz has tried these yet, or even knows about them. Classic SABfoil marketing (non existent) - that’s why they need people like you. Great job on the reviews by the way 👌🏻
@Rufus-OG 🤣🤣 THANKS! Yeah, I do sometimes wish there was more content out there from the brands themselves. Development is going so quick and a lot of brands push out so much new gear so quick, if it was to me we could all slow down a little and spend more time enjoying and testing the gear we have. As for the Balz / Medusa, you are right. I was mainly talking about the less anhedral as I think the thinner profile and longer chord will more or less be equal to the old one in lift and glide but maybe offer more speed. Will try to get my hands on one and make a review. Might take some time as I have so much in the pipeline right now. At least we are getting a week full of wind at the moment.....and 4 degrees 🥶
I am not tracking all my sessions and long distance is not what I do or practice. I think my longest run was close to 4 minutes in absolutely flat water and close to 30 minutes connection wind swell and tanker waves. The 1360 is the first front wing that made me think about pumping for longer periods as it's really a joy to ride. I might do some practice and see if I can stretch my runs to 5, 10 or even 15 minutes. We are heading into winter so not sure how much practice I will get. Cold water is denser and pumps harder, at least from my experience last winter (-:
Video and content quality is next level! Grande Nico 💪💪💪
THANKS A LOT !!! REALLY APPRECIATE !!
Congrats for the milestone ;) Great production value!
.... THANKS (-;
Congrats - incredible production value and a really helpful review. Looks like a versatile pump/lightwind wing/bumpriding option to add to the quiver. Looking forward to the next episode on that.
Thanks, it really took me by surprise (-:
Nicest guy ever! the review is over the top! well done!
THANK YOU SO MUCH !! Can't wait to make one together, next year for sure !!!
Hello Nico, you gave me (93kg) some information about the 1360. Now that I am on vacation or in practice, I am realizing the full extent of your expertise 😚 I would like to thank you again for your comments as I had doubts as to whether the 1360 was the right step after 1750, 1550 & 1350. I'm on my way from paddle pop-up to DW - beginner lessons. Here by the sea, I can catch waves with the wing at full speed and surf flat sections in a relaxed manner. For me, the approximately 1400 square meters with modern futures are ideal as the next step to the DW.
I was unsure for a long time because I had to have the "right weather conditions" first. Now I can only approve of your information - thank you!
THANKS !! Always good to get some feedback. The 1360 got a lot of potential once you get it dialed in. I am in Thailand right now and the one front wing I miss the most is the 1360. I took a Razor 980 for pumping instead but the 1360 might have been the better choice. Maybe next time.
Excellent honest review, thanks! 🏄🤩
It's been a fun one !
highest quality review - thanks and congrats !! Looking forward to more reviews covering some competition though eg DT Glide 2.0s and alikes !
Building up my DT connections already. Just had a first session on the Skybrid and will try the UNIT SLS Blue Concept today (-:
Nice review Hoppster! 🤙
THANKS (-:
Great comparison 👍 thank you. I also like your statements at the beginning and congratulate you on the success with your channel. Would be great to meet one day. Cheers Alfred
Nice video thank you so much. I practice flat water pumping in no windy days with 110 l kt dragonfly board, 84 red devil mast, 370 stab . Just had only two sessions with 1360 and still no fly at moment. I came from 1550 and 1350 leviathan and there were no problems. I miss just a little of speed maybe, i can go out with all the mast , but I can’t fly by pumping only with legs. I think I am almost there. Put a degree shim on the second session and it was better , but maybe half degree will be on the next try. I really hope to reach the fly or I ma gonna back to the 1350. Thanks again for you videos
Hey, keep trying !!! I had a few friends with the same problem at the beginning and now they are fine. Every front wing is different and you need to get used to it. The Leviathan Pros a very special, especially the 1260, 1160 and 1060 but they are a lot of fun once you know how to treat them. In light wind winging try to not go to high on the mast as this is lost energy. Try to accelerate with small pumping motions instead, pulling you up and forward with the wing. Give it some time and you will get the feel for it. Maybe go out on a day with a little more wind where you can more or less sheet in and go and try to depower the wing, pump and than power up the wing again if you are loosing it.....GOOD LUCK AND LOT's OF FUN (-:
Hi, i’m looking for a light wind frontwing and mainly for gliding and only winging. No Dock-starting / Pumping. I have always been thinking about the Razor Pro but due to the T6 Fuselage never went for it. Do you think that the new 1260 or even 1160 is a replacement or even a potential competitor for the Razor Pro 975 or 875? Because of my wight, I’m like you 65kg, and I want it more manoeuvrable and not Dock.Starting, I’m thinking about the 1160 instead the 1360 or 1260. What do you think, would be the 1160 an option from 8-10knt flat water winging and 65kg? Thx !!
Hey, totally get your point. For a very long time I stayed away from the T6 wings and fuselages because I did not want to invest into another system and make things even more complicated. Then launched the PIUMA system and I could not resist and once I have tried it, I went all in. I love the Razor and Razor Pro and for light persons like you and me the 980 and 975 are a light wind weapon. Super turning, very agil, fast and good glide. The 1060 and 1160 maybe have a little more glide but if you are 65kg I think the Razors have more than enough glide. I was on the Razor Pro 975 today in maybe 8 knots of wind with a 55 liter Duotone Skybrid and a 4.5 Duotone Unit SLS Blue Concept. I could get up easy, cruise around connect bumbs and could easily pump the 975 for at least a minute when the wind dropped down. Maybe you can pick up a used T6 fuselage and give it a try. The 980 is discontinued, it's very similar to the 975, just 1.1mm thicker which adds some low end and a little earlier take off but sacrifices some speed. If you wanted to stick with the T8 I would try to demo the 1060 and see how you like it. In pumping I love the 1160 but in light wind winging the Razors are just more fun. Hope that helps....
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Thx so much for your feedback ! I will definitely go for it and get a Razor Pro with a T6 fuselage. In terms of the size, and i know its very difficult as everyone has is own preferences. But I think since you got the entire Razor Pro Range, how to you see/rate the differences between the 975 and the 875? Is the 975 really just for light wind from 8 -12 and then it gets for example to much front pressure, or is it like the 909 that goes up into the mit 20s and just exaltiertes without any much foot pressure change? or would the 875 cover a bigger range even thought it will start only a few knots later?
@@watomi007 Hey, they are all very close together !! 975 and 875 are surprisingly close when it comes down to turning and agility. I do notice a difference, especially in waves but it's not as big as you think it would be. Stepping up from the 875 to the 975 I am over and over surprised how good it turns. The main downside is losing a little speed and top end. You can push the 975 to a point where it still rides nice but just won't get any faster. You do gain some glide on the other hand. I can still dock start the 975 ( running start 5/10) but not the 875. It pumps nice and fast and I do use this feature a lot during light wind winging sessions to connect little wind waves or tanker waves. I steeper waves the 875 and especially the 825 outruns the 975 as they not only turn better in the pocket but just offer a higher speed range to keep up with the wave. In terms of foot pressure: The whole Razor Pro line does not have a huge amount of pressure on your front foot ! If you pair it with a shorter fuse and small stabilizer (S325 is my favorite) it becomes very sensitive and nimble. It does take some time to get used to and to control the pitch. Sometimes I wish it had a little more pressure on the front foot but that would mean sacrifices somewhere else. I just tried the new Slingshot One-Lock paired with a Glide 725 and it had a lot more front foot pressure, but therefore lacked a little top speed. It's always a compromise (-: Hope that helps.....
Hi, so great review & look forward next second part.
Ahead of your next review as winging, how is turnabilty of new WLP1360 compared with WLP1260 in light wind winging?
WLP1360 looks different shapes between other WLPs.
WLP1260 is bit slipy (unstable) in slow speed curving as my feeling...
Turning on the WLP1360 is surprisingly good and I think up to pair with the WLP1260 if not even better. In low speed the WLP1360 has a noticeable advantage as it has a lower stall speed. Breaching was no problem and actually a lot of fun. The WLP1260 likes to be ridden fast. It did feel the difference using the Red Devil mast as it was smoother and more rigid. A friend of mine has been struggling to get the WLP1260 going from the dock and we ended up putting his 1260 on my set. Second try he was up and going. I am not sure if it was the board or the mast, but we will find out soon.
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In case of riding wide span wings as WLP1260/1360, is there big difference between normal kraken mast or stiffer mast such as red devil, regarding curving stability in swells?
@@ywata6676 It's not a BIG difference, but depending on your weight and how radical your style of riding is you can definitely tell them apart. I am 70 kg in winter and my style of riding is not to radical. The PIUMA was definitely to soft. The regular mast was okay but changing to the Red Devil, it just felt a little stiffer and responsive. The funny thing is, that I thought turns would be the problem, but in fact for me it's straight riding where I fell the difference the most. I think in turns you apply a lot of force and the mast is "twisted" and locked in. But going straight and maybe riding through some turbulences the mast can twist to the right and left. The 1160 on the PIUMA just felt awkward. Passing behind a tanker, passing high turbulent water was like riding an earthquake. Before the 1360 I never really considered to go for the Red Devil, but now I can see the benefits. Just keep in mind that the Red Devil mast has a solid construction and adds some weight. I put it on a scale and it' 2.08 kg !!
@@hoppline
Thx for detailed reply.
I am riding MK93 mast with WLP1260, just keeping to go straight is no matter (very stable).
But once changing foot pressure balance for any actions (curve or turn, etc.), I feel unstable behaviors of my foil.
In case of riding WMP869/669 with same setup, very stable during any actions.
So my concern is that MK93 is not enough stiff for WLP1260...
@@ywata6676 You might be on the edge here with a 93cm mast. The longer the stiffer it needs to be. The WLP1260 is a very special wing and does require a certain type of riding. I had a similar feeling in turns during light wind winging in the beginning and was more or less turning without leaning into the turn (board stays parallel to the water surface and you just turn slowly in one direction). Turning did not feel very nice and not very stable. I than went for "more radical" turns and they felt much better. By radical I mean leaning more into the turn. I think the strange behavior comes from the different speed on each side of the foil when turning flat. The outside rotates faster, the inside slower. On a banked turn they are more on a similar speed, making turns feel a lot nicer. I than discovered that breaching is not a big problem and the bigger the angle of the foil breaking the water surface toward the water surface is, the easier it gets. If you just have a minor breach and the foil is almost parallel to the water surface, you might be sucking air all the way down the foil and crash, but if you breach on let say a 30 degree angle it's just a clean cut. Like I tried to explain in my video, I think the 1260, 1160 and 1060 are developed more towards downwind, fast riding in waves with banked turns. That's very they stand out. They still ride very nice in light wind winging if you keep that in mind. The 1360 is a different story, just came back from a light wind winging sessions and it's just more forgiving on all fronts. You do loose some top end though. Maybe you get a chance to try the 1360 on your gear set to see if that would make a difference!? I think that would be your best option. Reviews are nice but nothing beats first hand experience. Good luck !!!
Hey Nico, first of, thanks again for recommending the Balz 909 front. Super fun for very light kitfoiling and high wind wining. I have a chance to get a Lev1550 at a very good discount but after watching this video I'm second guessing getting the older style Lev. I'm touch over 100kg and just got a 125L midlength wing foil board (too bad Sabfoil isn't there yet with these sizes). I am using the old Sab1250 front which is serving me well but it seems like it doesn't have a lot of glide in it and I'm not really able do depower the wing and just leg pump on small bumps or wakes. Would going to a much higher AR help with that? What are your thoughts of 1550 vs 1360pro for very light wind lake winging and would either one be significantly better than the 1250?
Hey, I think the 1360 would be a very good option for you and be a significant upgrade in comparison to the 1250. Low end will be similar, maybe a little less on the 1360 but speed and agility will be on another level. Take off and low end would be better on the 1350 and 1550 for sure but you would sacrifice a far bit of agility. Wing foiling the regular Leviathans feels a little bit like slow motion, not so on the Leviathan Pros. For me (70 kg) the 1360 is an ultra light wind weapon and I can get going with almost no wind. For you it would be "just" a light wind weapon, but on that it very playful and agile to ride !!
Great review and congratulations for your channel! If you remember, can you please compare 1360 with 1250? Can it be said that it has the advantages of 1250 and 1350 without their disadvantages? The speed and maneuverability of the 1250 and the lift (only slightly less) , glide and pumping of the 1350? Im focused on light wind winging so far. Thank you.
Hey, yes, I think the Leviathan Pro is a very good compromise and not only matches the good sides of the 1350 and 1250 but for sure exceed them. It would say it is faster than the 1250, offers great lift for its size and thickness (close the 1350) and maneuverability is amazing for the wingspan. I have only done a few light wind winging sessions but performance was great. I am only 70kg wet with winter wetsuit so for me it's a SUPER SUPER light wind weapon. If you are a little heavier I think handling in normal light wind (8-10kn) will be much better in terms of maneuverability.
Great video! I used the 1350 last season for very light wind winging and really enjoyed it simply because it gets me going sub 10 knots. But as you say it is like slow motion winging. Above 10 knots I switch to the G1007 and then have the PTM 926 for windier days. My G1007 is past its best I’ve used it so much. Do you think the 1360 could replace both the G1007 and the 1350 for that 0 to 15 knot range? I’m 75 kg and using a AFS Whitebird 6’8”.
YEAP !! Definitely! I think it would not only replace both but also be faster and more agile. I know some people do enjoy riding the 1350 in light winds but for me it's just too slow. The 1360 might have a little less low end but therefore offers so much more speed and agility. For me it's the first ultra light wind weapon I actually do enjoy riding. And with your weight you might get into pumping as well (-:
I also picked myself up a second hand Foil Drive Assisst + to increase my foiling time - pumping and flat water. Have you tried the 1360 with FD?
hi, cannot find your review of the 1360 for lightwind wingfoiling......ty Micha
That's because it's not online yet (-: Coming soon, make sure to follow to not miss out
@@hopplineI will not miss it!!! I’m anxious specially comparing it with 1260.
by the way, Sabfoil doesn’t include it in the Wingfoil profile at their website
Great review! 1360 is definitely getting added to the quiver for small DW. How would you compare the low end of 980 to the 1260? I have the 1350 and 975. Wondering what foil would be best to add for the middle of the quiver. Maybe the 1360 could fill that too?
Hey, I think the 980 is discontinued. It's very similar to the Razor Pro 975, same shape, same wingspan just a little more chamber and 1.1mm thicker. Looks like a tiny change, but it does add some low end and sacrifices some speed. I have both, the 975 and the 980 and for me the only advantage of the 980 is, that it is easier to dock start and ladder start. The 1260 needs more speed to get going, but once up glide is amazing. If you go low and push it to hard it stalls but if you just led it glide it glides forever. I think the main advantage of the 1260 over the 1360 is top speed. If you don't need the speed, go 1360 (-:
Hey, I just found on of your questions in my mail. It's not showing here for some strange reason but I will try to answer it anyway. For me the 980 is easier to start from the dock than the 1260. This is dead start and maybe I just don't reach enough speed with the 1260. It's just not 10 out of 10. Running start both are similar, 980 is more forgiving, 1260 glides longer once you reach a certain speed. I have not tried the 1260 for paddle yup, so I am not sure about this on and I do struggle to paddle up the 980. I would love to get a dedicated DW board and give it a go again. On the 90 liter Torpedo it was very difficult.
@@hoppline thanks for the response. I appreciate the input. I’m thinking that although the 980 is slower, it might give a bit more low end while down winding Vs the 1260. Sometimes I get caught relaxing and lose speed so I need the extra help!
Thanks for your thourough review. Sounds really interesting for downwinding on the Dutch lakes.
I agree on the WLP1260. That's a very good front wing and a lot of fun to use for light wind wing foiling (in small waves), but it's technical and somewhat unforgiving which is more noticeable when supfoiling/sup downwinding and pumping.
Do you know why the Piuma range has been discontinued? It works perfect with the Razor Pro wings. And, the stifness with big wings is higher than with the regular Kraken masts, imho. All R6 connected gear (piuma and red devil masts and fuselages) seem to have been discontinued. Just after I sold all my R8 gear and invested in the R6 :-(.
Oh, no. You are just like me !! I went all in on the PIUMA system. I have 5 fuselages, 4 masts and I think 7 or 8 front wings. I LOVE IT. It's heaven for light people !!! I think in the end not enough people made the switch and the having to many lines and gear in the line up was getting to complicated for SABFOIL. I don't have any insights but it makes sense to unify things a little bit. Wish they had thought about this before they made the move to T6. Nevertheless I accept my fate and just bought another fuselage as a backup so I guess I will be able to use the PIUMA system for a few more years to come (-: . And for the 1260, it's just like you said. The 1360 really is on another page. It's much closer to the 1350, a lot more forgiving but still has a playful character, some speed and good turning. I think the higher chord and thin tips make all the difference.
@@hoppline It's great for light people, but also for middle aged men of average weight (around the 85kg mark) predominantly riding windswell (n = 1) ;-)
Thanks a lot for the great review, very interesting observations! I (~105 kg) read your helpful replies to the other comments, but unfortunately I have no experience with the Leviathan Pro, Razor etc. foils - only with Balz Pro 909 (winging in medium-to-high winds) and Leviathan 1150 (winging in light winds) - so it's difficult for me to really grasp the qualities of the 1360. I hope you don't mind a few more questions... The 1360 has a bit less area compared to the 1150, but am I correct in assuming that it's takeoff/stall speed is still at least as low due to a more efficient shape? I believe its top speed is also higher whereby it probably has less drag which also helps during takeoff? How would you say the 1360 turns compared to the 1150? It has more span but the wingtips are much thinner, so is it roughly the same? Thanks a lot in advance and I'm really looking forward to your winging review!
Hey, I think the main benefit of the 1360 over the 1150 is speed and drag. The 1150 has a very thick profile which helps a lot during take off in light wind winging and learning to dock start, but after a while and especially in the surf the 1150 is just a little to slow. The take of speed of the 1360 and the 1150 are very similar and like you suggested the larger span makes up for the smaller size. Personally I think the 1360 is just a little more active and with an active pumping motion it's a super light wind weapon. The 1150 has some drag and is more like sheet in and go. Turning is similar, but somehow it feels better to me on the 1360 ! Don't aspect magic as it still has a wingspan of 1320mm but it turns very nice and I even think a little more weight than I have would help (70kg wet). The 1360 can be ridden much faster and more radical than the 1150 and I think I have not yet reach the end. Went out on a few winging sessions and did some very tight turns last time. Recovering from radical turns and breeching is much better and playful. Over all I think the 1150 still has a special place in my heart but the 1360 will mostly take over. Never thought I would enjoy a front wing with a 1320 wingspan that much.
@hoppline Thanks a lot for the comments! It does sound like the 1360 would be a nice upgrade from the 1150. Will have to consider it when the budget permits 😁
I'm waiting for second episode where you promise to talk about winging and light wind winging. I'm interested into WLP1260 too. When do you think to get it public?
Hey, I hope to finish the video in about 2 weeks. I have done all the test and the 1360 is a light wind weapon! It's faster than a 1350 or 1150 and turns a lot nicer. It's a much for enjoyable ride. I did not like the Leviathans for light wind winging, I could get up in the slightest breeze but than it was like wining in slow motion. The 1360 is SO much better. I am amazed how good it turns and I keep hearing the same think from different people (-:
@@hoppline Do you prefer razor 980 or razor pro 975 for light wind winging? Do you tried WLP1260, WLP1160 or WLP1060?
Hi hoppline! As an experienced dock start pump foil and user of the Sabfoil 1350 for a year and a half now, i was very interested in your review of the new 1360 front wing! So much so that my friend, who is also on the leviathan 1350, ordered the 1360 for himself as well. We received yesterday this new front foil and both tried it out today. We knew that a certain amount of adaptation time might be necessary but further to your review and our relatively advanced levels we were very confident to have made the normal upgrade. Yet after about 30 attempts each neither one of us were able to pump this new 1360!!!!!! We tried to advance the mast on the board, more speed on take off( not running start as our dock is too short, and everything imaginable but to no avail very sadly! Can you suggest anything to help us succeed? We can both pump the 1350 just under 3 minutes and succeed about 9 out of 10 starts. Really would appreciate your take on this to help us. Thanks a lot in advance! May the foil always be with you 🏄🤩
Hey, sorry to hear. Before I get into a few tips and tricks: I know how frustrating this can be, but try to accept and enjoy the challenge. I tried a lot of small front wings that took a lot of tries to get them going and once I had it dialed in it felt a lot more rewarding than hitting things first try. "Pro" wings usually have a smaller surface are and therefor need a little different technique. The 1350 has a lot more surface area and volume and is more forgiving on the start. Jumping on the 1350 it offers a wife area that helps to counter balance your weight even if the foil is not in motion. Once the foil travels through the water the thicker profile generates a good amount of lift at a low speed. With the Leviathan Pro 1360 (and even more with the smaller Leviathan Pros) things are a little different. The surface area is smaller and therefore there is not much resistance when you dead jump on foil. The profile is a lot thinner and needs more speed to generate lift. If I had to guess I would say you probably manage to land on the foil but fail to get into a clean pumping motion and at some point the front wings just drops and you are pushing it straight down into the water while pumping. This means you don't have enough speed. There's a few things you can try. Best and probably easiest would be a running start, getting a good amount of speed into the foil before jumping onto it. If your dock does not allow for running try to pull the board and foil as far back as you can before you start and then push it forward through the water. Once the board passes yourself it's time to jump. Keep in mind that the board is moving and you have to jump ahead of the board for a perfect landing. Let go of your front hand first. While you are jumping your body will get into a more upright position, leaving your back hand still on the board this will pull slightly on the tail of the board. This will result in a downward motion of the nose of the board but because of the push it will generate lift and come back up again by itself. If you would just push straight the nose of the board would come up and then get pushed down which is not very helpful and might result in a stall. With more advanced foils it is important to keep the water flow around the foil in a smooth motion. Try to land on the board very smoothly, like a cat, with more of a forward motion than a downward force. You can feather the impact by bending your knees. Once you landed on the board, try to generate more speed by engaging the first downward pump. In the next upward pump use your hands and arms, throw them forward to generate more speed, forward and upward to take the weight of the board. A smooth motion and water flow is very important. If you want, you can try the forward jump and landing first, trying to get as much speed into the foil as possible and then just go for a glide instead of a jump. Once you are comfortable, start pumping. The smaller and more advanced your front wing gets, the less room it leaves for imperfection and fails. It's all a process of learning. Try to film yourselves or watch each other and see what works and what does not. And like I said in the beginning: Try to enjoy the process !! It's all part of the game and trust me, once you are pumping around on the 1360 it will feel a lot more rewarding. I might make a video to this topic as I am getting a lot of questions. Hope this helps for now !
I encountered the sale difficulties as you do, with almost same pumping skills (max 3' on the 1350, 9/10 dockstart 1/10 beachstart) and I struggled to dial my starts with the 1360.
My advices:
1) Move the mast plate +1,5 cm or +2 toward the nose to get your feet placement similar to the 1350
2) Push with the two legs almost equally and simultaneously (the 1350 is more backfooted).
3) To avoid stalls, go big and fat for your stabilizer. I was used to the 325 with the 1350, but on the 1360 the 370 helped me a lot (it doubled my success rate).
@GaetanLAMOUR Big stab helps, good one 👍👍
Keep trying, it's a very rewarding foil once you're launched ! I'm actually around 5-10% of succes rate dockstarting it w/ a 4 steps run
Thanks really very much @@hopplinefor this information and encouragement. I was on the point of reselling this brand new front wing but will go for it again. 👍🏄🙏🙏🙏
One question about mast compatibility:
Would it works paired with MK83P for wingfoiling? or would it ventilate frequently?
Hey, the MK83P will work fine. It is stiff enough and since your not riding with tremendous speeds with the 1360 drag is not to bad. You would feel the difference upgrading to the Red Devil mast, but it's not a "must" and if you already have a 83P mast just use that one!
@@hoppline Thks, very appreciated answer!
@@eduardodiazcano8915 You are welcome!
Hi, congratulations on your review. I wanted to ask you for advice: I'm 46 years old and weigh 60kg, I recently bought a 100-litre downwind board and a 980 razor with which I go out with very light wind in wing foil, I would like to buy a Leviathan Pro and I am undecided between the 1260 and the 1360. I think I realised that the 1360 is easier, I would like to start learning the Pumping technique, and also use it with the wing. Could you help me choose?
If you want to start to lean pumping I would definitely go for the 1360. The 1360 might be a little bit slower on your wingfoil sessions but much easier in the pumping. Learning to pump on the 1260 would probably take a very long time. With 60 kg you are in the fortunate position that you can start to learn to pump on the 1360 immediately instead of going bigger first and then sizing down. The 1360 compared to the 980 will allow you to get going even faster and with less wind for light wind winging, but of course in return it will not be as agil and easy to turn.....it's always a compromise but in your case I think the 1360 will be the best on.
@ thank you very much 🙏🏻🤙
@ So the 1360 is really faster than the razor 980?
@@AlexAria7810 NO, by get going faster I mean that you are getting on foil faster. Once you are up and riding the 980 will be faster than the 1360 (-:
Thks 4 ur review, it’s really appreciated, great information!
By the way I am thinking about adding to my set a Leviathan Pro for winging on lighters sessions. I’ve thought that 1260 could replace my Leviathan 1150 adding more speed, glide and take off for my 80 kg. Do you think that it’s a good choice?
I’m curious about the 370 stab performance on these kind of wings and the way it can balance these big wings. Is it be possible because the thin profile of the wings?
Could them works with faster stabs like 399 just for wing sessions?
Thanks for your time and attention and congrats for your channel
THANKS !! I haven't done much testing yet, but I think the 1360 will work VERY good for light wind winging. I think it depends a little on the conditions if you prefer the 1260 or the 1360. Both would be good for your weight. If you prefer to go fast and maybe get into steeper waves, go for the 1260. If you are not concerned about high speed and just plan to rode flat water or tiny bumbs, the 1360 might be the better pick. I have tried the 1150 on light wind sessions and for me it was just to slow. Jibs are like slow motion. Both, the 1260 and 1360 will be much faster. And for the stab, the 370 is big enough to make up for a solid and stable system. You could throw on something faster if you wanted to. The S325 on the WLP1260 makes the whole system a little faster and it turns easier. On the 1360 I did not feel and measure any speed advantage while pumping. I think it is because the front wing is the braking factor and maybe because I was making more up and down curves than I was making on the S370. So the traveled distance of the foil might have been higher, but not the overall speed. It did free up the pitch and made it more agile and allowing for tighter turns for sure.
@hoppline thanks a lot!!!!
Your information is very appreciated!!!!
Hey mate, any chance of a review of the new Balz Pro W707/808/909 front wings? Nothing out there on the internet other than Balz telling us about them - he’s a freak of nature so his opinions don’t count. We really need a real word review please 🙏🏼
Hey, have not tried the Balz yet, but I have spent hours and hours on the Medusa Pro 769 and 669 (yesterday for the last time 😉). I think the Medusa Pro and the Balz are more or less identical, the only difference I saw in the video might be a slightly less pronounced curve in the concave. It's still one of my favorite wings, especially if you are into fast and radical riding. The low end is amazing due to the thicker profile in the center. A lot of my friends ended up riding the Medusa Pro as their daily driver and most of them ended up on one size smaller than they thought they would. So I assume the Balz Pro are different sizes, but the same great performance. Further I really do believe they can of copied the concept in a stretched out version for the Leviathan Pro 1360....
@ Thanks for the reply 👍🏻 I think they could be a bit different from the Medusa Pro wings as they are thinner, have a longer chord and less anhedral. Maybe this would translate to better drive for riding swell? I’m looking at T8 options now they cancelled the Onda line (my favourite wings).I was looking for a smaller Onda 835 but they never delivered - maybe the 707 could be it. I found the 669 too small. It seems nobody other than Balz has tried these yet, or even knows about them. Classic SABfoil marketing (non existent) - that’s why they need people like you. Great job on the reviews by the way 👌🏻
@Rufus-OG 🤣🤣 THANKS! Yeah, I do sometimes wish there was more content out there from the brands themselves. Development is going so quick and a lot of brands push out so much new gear so quick, if it was to me we could all slow down a little and spend more time enjoying and testing the gear we have. As for the Balz / Medusa, you are right. I was mainly talking about the less anhedral as I think the thinner profile and longer chord will more or less be equal to the old one in lift and glide but maybe offer more speed. Will try to get my hands on one and make a review. Might take some time as I have so much in the pipeline right now. At least we are getting a week full of wind at the moment.....and 4 degrees 🥶
What is your record for pumping the 1360 currently?
I am not tracking all my sessions and long distance is not what I do or practice. I think my longest run was close to 4 minutes in absolutely flat water and close to 30 minutes connection wind swell and tanker waves. The 1360 is the first front wing that made me think about pumping for longer periods as it's really a joy to ride. I might do some practice and see if I can stretch my runs to 5, 10 or even 15 minutes. We are heading into winter so not sure how much practice I will get. Cold water is denser and pumps harder, at least from my experience last winter (-:
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