Jazz Ride Cymbal Techniques and Dynamics - Drummer's Guide to Big Band
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- Jazz Ride Cymbal Techniques and Dynamics - Drummer's Guide to Big Band --
Garey Williams demonstrates Three different Jazz Ride Cymbal Techniques for Three Tempo Ranges: Slow, Medium Fast and Fast Swing. Garey also demonstrates Four Accented Ride Patterns, individually and with hi hat, bass drum and snare drum comping.
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The fact that you are talking about "philosophies", rather than what is "right" or "wrong" is great! Your videos are fantastic Mr. Garey!
Thank you! Let me know if you are interested in any private lessons :-)
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That's the best way to teach. In the end, any technique is a good one, so long as it doesn't cause you physical injury over the long term and/or you can somewhat control/repeat it. Outside of that, there are no rules... but the philosophies behind jazz drumming have stood the test of time because when you put them in the hands of millions of drummers, you get millions of drummers with results. good times. good instruction.
Many Internet drum instructional clips come-off as if the blind are leading the blind. This examination of the jazz ride beat in its variations is clear-sighted, clearly-communicated, and utterly timely....bad pun....how about 'necessary'. All I can say is that every drummer seeking to keep time ... credibly.....in the gamut from trio to big band, ought to watch your clip like a hawk. Your sticking is blessedly consistent through the variations you explore.... and I like the openness of your approach: In our own work, favoring the slight nudge on 2 & 4 but clearly communicating the quarter-note and skip-note dogmas. I hope the blind watch this clip and begin to see. It left this veteran with several questions, which is good! ....for eg, regarding the use of bounce, which I reckoned was a no-no after watching Tony Williams and listening to the Plugged Nickel a thousand times......now I'm not entirely sure. Thanks, tbw
Thanks very much for the kind words!!!
I always come back to this video. Such a great one! thanks again for sharing. Troy, NJ 🥁
THANK YOU SIR. YOU TEACH WELL
GREAT VIDEO!
Really nice breakdown of the flavors of that pattern. Thanks!
Thank you!!
every time I practice my cymbal pattern, I start holding the stick between thumb and the index finger, achieving a stable pulse and consistent sound. with only those two fingers and the wrist. the slower the tempo - the more of a wrist motion you get. I start at tempos about 76-85 bpm but it's not a lowest point to start at. when it starts to sound good enough, you can add anything you want to this basic motion - other fingers, forearm rotation or simply a smile on your face) if it doesn't distort the initially achieved sound - you're on the right way. my latest "the right swing" research observations tell that it's pretty hard if possible at all to pick the whole complex of motions from the source (weather it's video or teacher's demonstration), just because what they do reveal the result of very long and gradual skill development. instead of that seems to be much more useful to use sources as guides to the simplest basic move - the first step in our own technical evolution. once it's discovered there are only hours and years of consistent practice can lead to what one really wants.
Good video. Let's share some other good stuff on that subject. I'd like to mention John Riley - The Master Drummer and Peter Erskine - Everything Is Timekeeping DVDs. By the way Erskine's approach to this basic rhythm differs a little.
Thanks for the kind words! I love Peter Erskine and John Riley's work. I have worked through most of there method books. They are great drummers and educators!!
Nice swing feel, good lesson.
Excellent Video
thanks, really helpful
Thanks for the kind words :-) Please let me know if I can help you improve yur drumming.
Nicely done, made me think about stuff!
Nice touch Garey!
+Jeff Wald Thanks!
+Jeff Wald Thanks again!
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Thanks Well explained
Thanks for the kind words! I wish you all the best with your drumming.
Great video!
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Very nice, though I wish that ride was recorded with some nice overheads instead of the camera mic, or whatever you used. Anyway, aside from the cymbals, your playing and instruction was very helpful, thank you for publishing this!
Thanks for the kind words!
gareywilliams no problem! I love drums, and I love a good teacher. Happy drumming!
nice video thanks
Thanks for the kind words!
I couldn't hit my rides at that angle...I keep all of my cymbals practically parallel to the ground, with a slight tilt downward.
Good video, btw.
Thank you for posting. My drum instructor and I are doing these techniques right now and your explanation of the very fast tempo has left me with a question I should have asked my instructor when he showed me the technique, same as yours, 2 weeks ago. But my quandary didn't occur to me until i just watched your video. (I will follow up at my next session with my instructor, too). Here's my dumb question. If your dropping on 2 & 4 to get the triples, how does the rest of the band know where 1 is? Or how do I as the drummer keep track? I am assuming that hi-hats are still on 2 & 4 and the kick drum is no longer doing a 4 on the floor and is now a comping instrument. At least in my case it is. I cant maintain a heel down 4OTF very long at much past 220 bpm.
Thanks for your question. At a fast tempo you are no longer playing with a triplet feel where there are 12 subdivisions in the measure (four beats of triplets = 12). The subdivision is straight 8th notes with the ride is playing a stroke on beat 2 that is bouncing into the 'and" of 2 and ending on beat 3 then again playing a stroke on beat 4 that is bouncing on the 'and' of 4 and then ending on beat 1 of the next measure. The ride cymbal is playing on all 4 beats plus the 'and's' of 2 and 4. I recommend you play the bass drum softly on beats 1 and 3 while your hi hat is playing on beats 2 and 4. This way you have both the ride and bass drum playing on beats 1 and 3. I hope that helps.
@@gareywilliams Thank you for you very thoughtful answer. I will give that try.
cameraman, FILM THE HAND NOT THE CYMBAL!!!!
you really think he paid a guy to stand there and hold the camera?
thanks but can't dig the ride cymbal so much
Perhaps in isolation it is a bit harsh, but I'd bet it works well with the group. His pattern is going to be heard by the members of the band, whereas the big, dark cymbals can get lost quickly.
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What brand(s) of cymbals are these?
Crescent Cymbals made in Turkey. They are now made in Canada by Sabian. I hope that helps.
I believe playing the ride cymbal quickly is a derative of the French grip
The French grip seems to be the preferred grip for ride cymbal playing. It has to do with how your thumb moves to the top of your hand when you move your arm to the right and to the side of your hand when you move your arm to the left. Since a right handed ride cymbal is to the right side of the drumset, it feels more comfortable to play with the thumb on top of the stick. Thanks for your feedback :-)
People in Germany usually clap on 1 and 3. it's incredibly annoying
Bummer!
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Where on the ride cymbal you hit to just get a "chick" sound.
A "chick" sound is acheived from the hi hat foot snapping the hi hat cymbals together. Not from the Ride cymbal. I hope that helps.
Don't know if it was just my phone speaker or what but the cymbal was way louder than the instruction.
Bummer! Were you still able to benefit from the instruction?
notice the cymbal felt is missing, this allows the cymbal to ring through so that other musicians can hear it more clearly and retains its natural sound.
great skills but the ride cymbal though sounds trashy to me. i like a nice clean sound that has not too much wash sounds and has a nice stick definition to the cymbal.
Thanks for the kind words. Ride cymbal sounds are very personal. There is a difference between how the cymbal sounds solo (by itself) vs. with an ensemble. I have heard cymbals that I didn't like played solo but that ended up sounding great with the big band. Having said that, I don't play that cymbal anymore.
I love the instruction, but I want to throw that pie down to the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
Thanks for the kind words on the instruction. The ride cymbal I used has a partcualrliy harsh tone due in part to the lapel mic that was also recording the sound. Having said that, I don't play those cymbals anymore. You may like this instruction and maybe the cymbal on this new video on Fast Jazz: ua-cam.com/video/8UF3xCJ1dK0/v-deo.html
Not quite my tempo
I did not catch not even one advice on this clip. My fault probably
Either you are aware of this information or not. If you watch it again you may learn something?
this is horrible
Sorry it's not to your liking. Everybody else seems to have benefited from this video. I wish you all the best with your drumming.
Just because it’s not your style of music doesn’t mean it’s horrible, if you’re a metal drummer this won’t help you, but that’s not his fault, it’s because there are different styles of music. Please don’t shit on other people’s videos or dislike it just because it doesn’t help you for a reason that is not the fault of the teacher.