The Problem with MW3 Zombies - My Brutally Honest Thoughts
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- MW3 Zombies looks awful for some people, and exciting for others. Treyarch now has the impossible job of appeasing these drastically different playerbases.
Can they manage it, or is MW3 Zombies doomed to fail before it's even released?
Does it count as "Zombies" if it isn't roundbased? Debate here 👉 www.tiktok.com...
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When Milo pulls out the whiteboard you know it’s about to get real
Quite literally, lmao!
r we getting chaos story back?
2023 year of the whiteboard
@@bobdarrick2628yesn’t
Dam
off topic but Milo doesn't get enough credit for how well spoken and articulate he is with his words his passion towards call of duty zombies is unmatched
Ignore the bot, but yeah I agree dude. He narrows it down so well!
He really does, no shocker hers a PhD candidate. Smart guy, glad hes on our side.
He's just truly underrated!
and yet they didnt invite him to COD Next (A.KA. cod more of the same shite as last year with nothing fixed.)
@@smokedog7730 it's because the fear the truth!
I cannot stress enough how bad Activision/Treyarch need you at these community events and even as a writer for the mode. No disrespect to dalek or Noah it just feels like you’re the only one left from that group that has no problem keeping it 100% real and speaking for the community
Aaand that's why they don't want him there. Did you see Noah's reaction? Inside it seemed he was cringing at the game mode but had to stay positive to stick to his agreement between Activision/100T etc.
I think Milo is too honest and true to himself and the community to lie through his teeth about something he rightfully feels passionate about. I respect him massively for that
@@ryansilvestri7533 thats exactly why i stopped listening to NoahJ's reviews, he has an incentive to stay in the position he's in so he will never give a bad / accurate review if it means his position is on the line.
So does Lex
@@Knee07lex the goat
We *need* brutal honesty in reviews, so thank you. They almost got me when they hinted at continuing the Dark Aether storyline but then i remembered that promise being made for Vanguard. And we all saw how that turned out.
Dude how are you this good? As a zombies fan that started given up on zombies around BO4 and Cold War, this video is very, very well done.
Bro, as soon as I saw BO4 zombies, I knew the zombies I knew and loved was going to die.
The only thing i kinda liked in bo4 was rush mode was fun to play once in a while, but the maps after launch were bad
@darthrevan2957
this video is EXACTLY what the zombies community needed
Could not have put it better
Yes
we need specialist weapons back
@@bobdarrick2628why ? I think that was fun for BO4 but I think it had its use I just want another RBZ map with a main EE with the 4 OG perks plus some new ones I think that could be what's in store for treyarch in 2024
yeah i want round based zombies back adn to be more like bo3, bo1, bo2 or even bo4 zombies. specialist weapons were fun and rewarding to use. they were powerful and better than field upgrades.@@garretthooks2843
Milo, I’ve been watching you since the days of bo2 zombies, it is amazing to see you still uploading all these years later, you will always have a fan in me, much love Big Waffle
Same, I started watching a little earlier than that it was in black ops 1 days and Yoteslaya gave him a shoutout
Same
@@Milla4life2RIP Yoteslaya 🙏
I miss watching Brian, Meatwagon22 and Gunns4Hire play together, man those were the days. Some of the WaW custom zombies maps were so good.@@johnwayne7201
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My one issue with the so called 50/50 players in outbreak and round based is that Treyarch made note of that, when Outbreak was the thing being updated and round based was as dry as could be with no content. Outbreak continually received updates, so we round based players would check it out and play it, rather than the months old die maschine or firebase z at the time. There is a crossover there, and many of us round based players just played Outbreak for the newest content
That was a dark time but Maur was a great map so that was awsome. Hope we don't have that happen.
Keeping my expectations buried 6 feet underground until we see something from Black Ops 2024
Completely agree. The only reason I played outbreak was because it was new. Once the novelty wore off (very quickly) I wanted to go right back to RBZ
Also, When they had free trials for cold War, the only zombies mode available was Outbreak, that's the reason the number of Outbreak players is equal of roundbase
@YungAtz ironically tho it's first easter egg at least first time attempt was hard and is a really hardboss especially solo. I think it made sense tho they had came out outbreak was received well but had complaints of lack of content so they obviously had to quickly adjust. Else there new big project die. Plus we eventually got maur and some cool additions.
Playing Der Riese always makes me think of winter, a blanket on the couch, cold outside, warm inside. Excited to come home from work, turn the fire on, take a shower, get on the couch and hit those high rounds. That’s the feeling I want from cod zombies. Zombies was a simple formula, just being fun was enough. Transit was open world enough for zombie fans
Boring
Facts bruh
I enjoyed outbreak and more cq rb maps. I do like tranzit, it got dragged down by the system limitations so the fog denizens and lava were added which really dragged it down.
Origins for me.
@@anarche4900you sound like the kind of idiot politicians pander to…
It’s been really nice seeing Milo consistently acknowledging that there’s not just one type of zombie enjoyer, and that we shouldn’t shame each other for having different opinions
On one hand it makes sense to have the best possible version of the game mode you enjoy the most, on the other people to enjoyed objective based zombies are insane, clinically, their disorder must be studied
Agreed. I’ve considered myself a round based fan for the last decade or so, but I got plenty of enjoyment out of outbreak and think it is a valid way to play zombies
Doesn’t make mwz any less disappointing though
Yes, when they said "we would have pack a punch for veteran players" I was like, yep, they definitely think that we are stupid.
When I saw that it actually made me laugh.
They aren't making zombies with us in mind, at the same time saying that is really disrespectful to us
I mean, when looking at this community, I'm not necessarily surprised...
yeah, and it's this "they think we are stupid" type of communication from them that totally burns the bridge and makes it infinitely harder for actual veteran players to get excited for the mode. it's such a shame because it's so avoidable
@@MrRoflWafflesit's not all that easily avoidable though. It would be if it was just in how they described what they make, but them saying pack a punch exists for veteran players isn't them just misspeaking that they think we're stupid. That's actually just the best they could even come up with.
If they change how they talk about it the content itself will still tell veteran players that they're seen as stupid.
Milo I just wanna thank you for being one of our voices in this community. A lot of us in the community have not been happy with the current state of zombies and we appreciate someone with a larger platform speaking a lot of these concerns for us
Hey milo, I’ve been watching you since I was a kid, you’ve been a huge part of some of the best memories of my childhood, thank you for doing what you do man, you’re the best and your voice brings my soul a certain kind of peace , cheers m8!
appreciate you ethan 🙌🙌
We don't know if 50% / 50% was the case since it was just something said by treyarch, not proved with specs map or something. It might be correct tho, but just at the season they observed that, because it was a new mode that everyone wanted to try and that was almost mandatory if you wanted to do the camo grind quickly. What I see, not just asking my friends but in every single twitter / reddit poll out there saying round based zombies vs outbreak, is that the 1st one wins by a lot. For me it's kind of obvious why: one is just the warzone map with zombies and some objectives from spec ops, the other one is handcrafted maps with EE, protagonist interacting, etc.
This is honestly the best introspective look at the Zombies Community in a video I have ever seen. Milo literally breaks down and explains how it all works in tandem rather than one piece in a vacuum, which is literally not possible. I would even argue that this is a glimpse as to the inner workings of the gaming industry from the perspective of the companies. With how it affects the consumers (us/people who enjoy the content of the games) and he is absolutely right with his point on how people have been affected by this situation. This is an amazing video, Milo!
As a hardcore zombies player since World at War. I loved Outbreak. It was something new and fresh. The thing that ticks me off is how easy games have been made these last couple of years. I remember when games actually challenged you. When you absolutely cheered after you finally got that weapon or finished that quest or finished an easter egg then got a cool cutscene. But everything is DLCs or easy content now. Im a firm believer in earning rather than just getting. Food for thought.
Stupid take
True although I do like the changes they made to make things easier, like ammo boxes and stuff but they should still be challenging tho
Totally agree with the love for outbreak too. I think having a hard and easier way to play would be ideal overall. I love the rampage inducer.
I kinda miss the rarity of wonder weapons too. Something about pulling it out of the Mystery Box at random feels so satisfying than just building it.
Real talk
Milo looking like he’s finally found ever secret Easter egg possible throughout his ‘searching’! 😂
Charlie with the cigarette in the mail room
@@callenroeder3784Pepe silva
No more like he’s staying up to be relevant again😂
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Did I expect an hour long video from Milo today? no, but I'm extremely happy to see it! I share the passion you have for this franchise, much love Milo.
we need specialist weapons back. also margwa international is a great name
Advertising this mode towards hardcore round based zombies and by saying it has pack a punch, perks and a Ray gun is like advertising high end cars to car enthusiasts by saying
“It has a steering wheel, windows and 4 wheels!!!! Aren’t you excited!!!!!”
Funny how the one who wasn't invited to go to the events for this game has the most insight on the mode. Love this video style Mr. Rofl. Always the depth I require
Thats why he wasn't invited, because he has an opinion that Craptivision did not like
This is spot on. I’m a hardcore round based player and have been since bo1. The focus on outbreak is part of the reason I’ve spent so much time doing dungeons and raids in destiny 2. It’s the closest thing to a hardcore zombies experience I can find.
Thanks for the video milo! Excited to watch your content on the game
Real
Black ops 1 was the last true zombies experience.
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402Mob? Origins? Bo3?
@@ImWithMeeh, mob maybe but bo3 is insanely easy and was when the microtransactions started :/
@@WhiteViporwhat is bro yappin about
Like I remember playing Kino the first time. I literally bought the shotgun off the wall and camped behind the table next to the door that took you to jug. But since then I’ve met a lot of people and a lot of amazing memories, fact I’ve even got a channel dedicated to the game mode. So overall zombies has shaped a lot of things. I do hope that we do have round based maps again or even do what Cold War done by having the two.
cold war had 4, vanguard has two
@@informer974 he meant the two modes not 2 maps
It's in 2024 bro, don't put your zombies hope on this game MW3 cos it's not the zombies you're expecting.
Nice little bit of self-promo 😂
If we had a stand alone zombies game like we all been asking for you could do out break and round based onslaught time-based objectives I think you could do so much with a stand alone zombie game the round based you can have old style Easter eggs and different kind of maps more like Black ops 3 + Black ops 2 and older style round-based kind of maps the newer stuff could go and outbreak and onslaught and you could do grief they could bring grief back
Agreed
But black ops isn’t a stand alone zombies game so that’s where your whole logic falls apart
@@Reezy12333 he didnt say it was.......so i am not sure where you think YOUR logic is at? :D
@@sagemidget7331 he said if we had a stand alone zombies which we don’t and won’t have because that’s not how black ops work
@@Reezy12333 what? 🤣 he is hypothetically discussing zombies being a stand alone game. (Whilst also saying he wants the maps from different black ops games etc)
I don’t see what the issue is 😅
This just over* 1 hour video nearing 100,000 views in under 24 hours is an amazing testament to the amount of people intrigued by Zombies as a core experience that Call of Duty provides. I truly hope I’m missing something, and this new iteration of zombies is good and enjoyable for me as a self proclaimed hardcore round based zombies enjoyer. I will be trying it, likely grinding camos (I also grind MP camos in COD). And I miss more than anything, zombies content focused on an active Call of Duty that’s currently in season.
The glory days of Black Ops 1-3 were sooooooo amazing. I loved the EE,s and game play and I can probably speak for all the Hardcore Round Based players out there that know if it's not like old zombies... IT'S GOING TO SUCK THIS YEAR!!!
correction waw-bo2 were the glory days, bo3 was that beginning of the end.
@@VioloX747Exactly! Waw-Bo2 were the golden days of zombies. Bo3 was the downfall
@@VioloX747if it wasnt for custom zombies on pc, bo3 would be super dead
@@headphonesz6527 that's what I was talking about. BO3 made the list because of the custom maps. If gobble gums were not ever put into the game it would have been much better
@@VioloX747 correction bo3 was the best zombies of all time literally and statistically
Milo, you hit it right on the head. I'm a casual player of COD. Love zombies story. Putting in only an hour or two a week. Some Easter eggs are hard for me but still love playing the game. Cold war helped me get my confidence up on zombies. I enjoy both sides. Enjoy the videos you do and keep them going!
I just want some BO3/4 level depth and Easter eggs (without any dumb steps OBVIOUSLY… so don’t go cherry picking the Revelations rock step like everyone does lol)
Yeah not gonna happen lmao not even in 2024
I agree lol
For real though. I want the difficulty and game play of bo1, mixed with bo4 level Easter eggs. The only thing I would change is getting rid of the 4 perk limit of bo1 gameplay, the rest was perfect
the stupid ass blood of the dead shield step walking into the room:
@@AmyCherryLMAO like I said, no steps like that obviously lol
This was an awesome video. I really enjoyed the laying out of everyone’s perspectives and I feel like no one else really acknowledges people outside the hardcore round based enjoyers as it were. I’m somewhere in the middle between casual and hardcore. I enjoy round based and outbreak. So I’m in the camp of seeing how it goes. I’m giving it a good shot because it looks cool. Keep being awesome, Milo.
Its really sad to see the Zombies community slowly diminish and be let down year after year. Its just not 2012 anymore 😥
Honestly it peaked at world at war for me, those original zombies maps (and the first one in particular) were so good. I feel like the entire game mode got way too complicated and distracted by weird lore rather than focusing on what made it so special. I missed all the games from black ops 2 to Cold War though so maybe they did something good while I wasn’t playing these games.
@@ilikeshiba arguably id say what made zombies so special were the Easter eggs themselves. Zombies definitely blew up in bo1 because of the complex secrets hidden within the maps. But yeah, I get what you're saying. I miss playing LAN zombies with my friends and all of us dying on wave 15 cause we sucked 😂 those were good times.
We weren’t expecting so much in 2012 too
We gotta remind ourselves
I like Outbreak's open world feel but I love the trapped feeling of being in a traditional zombies map that is just full of secrets.
Honestly speaking both modes are awesome I originally started playing zombies in waw and I have dreamed about an open world zombies
I love open world zombies
@@anarche4900 it's fun but it's not the same. Call me an oldie but I miss the old formula for zombies.
I like outbreak but it only works when there’s also round based. Can’t just have outbreak but I could definitely get by with only round based, even though I’ve probably played more outbreak than round based.
Cold War outbreak was fun but this isn’t the same thing… it’s on a 1 hour timer that ends the game so you can’t survive to a high round anymore
You're right;
The Marketing alone shot my interest in the game mode. Black Ops 4 made me lukewarm towards Zombies and CoD as a whole, and I don't trust Treyarch enough anymore to buy a game until I know for CERTAIN the mode is good.
I'll wait for the next Black Ops game to see if we're getting Round Based zombies, but MW3 is separate and could be completely Outbreak like.
I think Treyarch might keep zombies roundbase narrative driven game mode to black ops related games and they will try introducing this warzone zombies kind of mode to modern warfare with an alternate kind of story I believe.
how was milo not invited to cod next?
@@bobdarrick2628 British
@@Sboooose r u sure bhaisaab?
For some reason, I think that the best zombies moment (and probably the only one that was THAT exciting) we had in the last 5 years or so, was that journal from Samatha in Cold War, talking about seeing a lost boy in her dream. Idk if anyone else remembers this, Milo made a video about it as well and it was, I think, the closest thing we 've had to the old zombies feeling, especially about the story. I remember it gave me so many goosebumps. Other than that, maybe Richthofen's final reveal in Cold War was an exciting zombies moment? But tbh, we saw that coming from a mile away. I'm pretty sure these are the only top tier zombies moments we've had in zombies in the last 5 years at least and that's.. kind of alarming.
Why can't people just understand that, those ''Easter Eggs'' are just missions to continue Zombies story, Ascension, Shangri La, Moon and BO2 Zombies and BO3 zombies had only missions that required certain things to be done to progress in Zombies story, this was a very indirect form of telling story.
Call of Duty Zombies hasn't had a proper Easter Eggs for a very long time, and what I mean with Easter Eggs, is random interesting stuff that has nothing to do with Zombies mode itself.
👏👏👏 how he keeps his optimism and respect towards some people is beyond me! This channel is my one and only for COD zombies! Keep up the great work Milo!
This problem of the "Attack those who Disagree problem" is not just in the zombies community. Brother it is everywhere, It is a plague that has befallen our modern life.
Nah that mindset has been around since we first evolved to understand it.
Why do people act like this mentality only exists now? Wars were fought over that mentality. The mentality you call out is called tribal mentality.
It is absolutely important to acknowledge that there is an entirely new group of people out there who have yet to experience the mode and should have an opportunity to be catered to, however, to completely abandon the people who basically built your entire mode up and have been loyal for over a decade now is wrong. When the new players who joined in Bo2 or Bo3 or even Bo4 joined and left, the loyal players were the one who continued to purchase the DLC and the gobblegum and keep the game relevant.
Im Curious, do you feel like they abandoned those users, or are they just waiting til' 2024 to focus on them?
@@Bugzinclots of people seem to forget that
And thats where yaal went wrong lmfao, buying gobble gum like clowns lmfao yaal are part of the reason they monetized the mode, I bet you also didn't like anything that changed the style from bo3 😂😂 the community abandoned zombies years back in bo4 when they chirped the game that was great by all means, bashing the new maps n begging n crying for remakes, they wanted to do something new n got chirped for it. Now yaal have lost ppl because we don't wanna buy remakes over n over again we want fresh content. New stories. I've been here since waw and the zombies community has never been a good community lmfao they always complain about everything and just cry cry cry for remakes, and when yaal don't like something it's always ,"I miss bo3" 😂😂 the game that legitimately started the p2w features being added to zombies. Ypu reap what you sow
From my understanding, whilst not at launch, there will be a round-based area you travel to in MWIII.
The new group can kick rocks, imo. They're already catered to in the new games.They took something cool and niche and boiled it down unrecognizable so it could cater to the lowest common denominator to turn a higher profit. No round based isn't even the biggest gripe.
You explained everything so perfectly. This video was such a joy to watch. Hardcore round based enjoyer here, but I'm open to new experiences.
If they can extract what made round based so fun and mix even a little bit of that in with the new stuff then I could see myself coping for another year
It's not profitable to the company to worry about putting certain resources into player retention when they can invest in player onboarding and get more of a return. This may be what they be cashing-in on?
Dude, the fact that people nowadays prefer non-round based zombies is such a joke. Open map zombies is EMPTY. There's absolutely nothing to do in the map that is REMOTELY fun.
Thanks for the video Milo, me and a friend had a discussion recently about this topic and you just perfectly and clearly described the feeling we tried to express in way more words, been following your No-nonsense guides since Bo3 and I look forward to many more.
Glad it was helpful! ❤️
Thank you for making this but wasn't the whole thing with round based and outbreak being split in popularity just not really true at all? Wasn't that during the outbreak free weekends and wasn't outbreak being played by many to farm weapons? Wasn't the idea that outbreak was equally as popular as round based around a specific point in time rather than a general popularity over the course of Cold Wars life?
There are alot of factors to this problem. The main one is hardcore zombie fans (like me) don’t like change. Not because of the fear of changing something that works, but the fear of changing something that will not improve upon what worked in the first place just to appease to a wider audience. Then once the company succeeds in bringing in a new (casual) audience, then said audience states that they love this new iteration of zombies without even playing or knowing what it used to be or rather what it’s supposed to be. This is where hardcore fans start getting their pitchforks. Then that spawns the fear that this new iteration of zombies will be the present and future and the hardcore audience will refuse to accept that. The company (Activision) should be at fault for changing everything into a “warzone” environment and creating such a toxic community.
as for story, the mw characters are better than the bo campaign characters. but the zombies crew (primis at least) from treyarch are the best.
That's spoken!!!
I felt that
True. I don’t mind zombies changing. But turning literally every aspect of COD into a DMZ mode or a Warzone style is just drained of imagination. Zombies deserves better than this.
He spittin I’m never I’m buying cod again (besides a bo2 remaster maybe)
They should’ve forced all of us after 30 minutes to band together for one exfil and you either have the weapons to defend or you die and don’t make it on the exfil.. 30 player each doing they’re own thing to get guns. Then 1 exfil where we all 30 players defend for 15mins.. 15min of everyone holding the trigger down & watching each others backs till exfil lands…
I’m talking Mustang & Sally trigger pull till I’m 10 seconds from a seizure or the exfil lands lol. That would be sick..
What a well articulated video. More of the community needs to see this, it addresses how each group feels respectfully, while showing all sides.
As someone who’s been hardcore RB, and moved into the casual scene for either RB or OB, I’m just happy there’s more zombies content.
This new generation will be making the same memories with this new zombies mode, just like we were a decade ago with round based.
Zombies is a special mode. People will always cherish and defend what zombies was like *for them* when they first started. And that’s okay.
new zombies fans won’t cherish any memories on mw3 zombies guaranteed
Took me 20 minutes to realise this video is an hour long lmao. Milo really spoils us!
😂 same but im atm at 40minutes
As someone who despises all battle royale games because I hate permadeath mechanics when all I want to do is spawn shoot people and then respawn when I die because just playing the game is fun and I don't care if I die 37 times in an mp match. At the same time I am a CoD veteran. Been playing the game since the WaW days and although might not be the best zombies player out there I can still comfortably make it to round 30 on most maps before I start feeling pressured (My highest is somewhere in the 80s on Die Maschine trying to get the round 100 dark ops challenge). Controversially though I think Bo3 is my most disliked zombies experience because I didn't like the more lovecraftian direction the story went in. Bo1 is by far my favourite. It just feels more pure I guess is the best way I can describe it?
Gahh I wish I had irl friends with this much passion for games.
Side note: Please! More long form vids like this!! I really enjoyed this. Especially the crazy man on the white board. More stuff like that lol ❤
The thing is, I played Round Based and Outbreak in Cold war but massively preferred Round based and wouldn’t have bought the game for outbreak so how much weight does that cold war stat actually hold? 🤔 Is that an even number of hours played, or just counting anyone that played it once?
Outbreak was also superior for weapon xp. They really don’t know what their data means.
outbreak enjoyers ruined everything
I’m hardcore, but personally I like Outbreak for *different* reasons.
However if Outbreak never appeared again and we only got roundbased, I probably wouldn’t care.
I would rather treyarch put their energy into *evolving* the mode and *adding* to the mode we already had, instead of outright changing it’s identity as a whole.
No amount of Zombies assets in outbreak will make Roundbased players like it more.
And that’s just a hill I’m willing to die on.
I think this video really does help an old timer like me (been playing since BO1). I know there’s no round based but Treyarch treating the old school zombie players like we are idiots was irritating when they talked about common things like perks and pap. I’ll have to see more to give a better judgement toward it for the zombies.
The problem is not that there is no roundbased, it’s the lack of original zombies maps
Yes the new maps do lack diversity and I hope we see more kntresting locals. But remember when the original storyline started it was the same.
It’s about 15 zombies maps into one! Which should be even better plus it’s and extraction mode too which people will love
45:30 I F*UCKING HATE BEING SHOT IN ZOMBIES WTF WERE TRASHARCH THINKING?!?!?!!!!!!!!!
me 10mins into this wondering why we need a full break down of the player base...
Milo pulling out the whiteboard?
Well shit, it must be Christmas.
This is a crazy good way to decipher the zombies community and how the fans would react. But I must ask. Will this be on the test?
I’m in the middle of both. I like round based due to the story and the ester eggs but I also like outbreak because of the free roam and different world bosses.
I think it's also about the goal for the day. Like we enjoy both depending on who we are running with. My nephew is 13 and we JUST this summer did AW Exo Zombies and so round based doing the Easter egg was exactly what we wanted. Then we did BO4 EE. (Thank you for those guides!!!) But when he's not with us we also love running some Outbreak
no need to try it
-the movement / feel of the game is the same of mw2 but slightly increased to be more similar to mw2019
-the zombies, minibosses, perks, machines are copy pasted from cold war.
-the game mode mechanics are the same of dmz, no easter egg quest, just contracts
there's basically nothing new so no need to try it, if you like it you already know
I just want to play dmz without getting hunted by a 6 man squad
As someone who kinda fell off after black ops 4, I'm happy to see that people are still getting into something that was a huge part of childhood/ teenage years. For anyone who's going into MW3 for zombies I hope you enjoy it and find time to enjoy your hobby.
I view the round based who don’t like cold war as a bigger group than that personally
Yup, most of that group has given up on zombies though. Round based pre Cold War and after Cold War is a huge difference
A no-nonsense guide to the state of the zombies community has definitely been something we need!
3:05 as someone who enjoys both outbreak and round round based in Cold War (a bit more of a preference for outbreak because it’s new and fresh) I sway more to round based when I wanna play a bit more seriously/more focused and outbreak to chill more. Neither are too difficult and both have their moments where they can be chill or incredibly intense (3 orbs box or orda on outbreak and boss fights in round based) so I get where that sense from both sides about the other is coming from
I prefer if the world that we load in is just ME + MY PARTY, why would I want randoms also on it?
Say I am doing the "DESTROY CONVOY" now other players that aren't my team, will be destroying it and basically ruing it for me.
Solution: Let us decide, do we want to load in only SOLO+Party, or Public? this way both are happy! -- That was what ruined DMZ, and what could ruin this Zombie too!
I've reevaluated my personal view on how I'd describe my zombies fanhood. Always been a huge story fan but definitely more casual of a player. Love watching people play tho, always
Great Video Milo!!! Love how your approaching the mode with some optimism because of your love for Zombies! Treyarch are lucky to have fans like you!
As a hardcore player all the way from Nacht, I really enjoyed the Cold War and outbreak experience. That being said, I think MW3 Z loses its “intimacy” with all the extra players. Personally I feel like I’m joining a lobby instead of investing my time with friends or a small amount of randos for up to hours. Round based has this unique team feel especially if you’re going to attempt a EE together. This zombies mode just gives me Travis Scott Fortnite concert vibes
bro said travis scott fortnite vibes haha I completely agree. As a round based zombies fan from the old days, who also enjoys the fortnite universe, I agree that they are & should be two totally different games. I’m really hoping COD 2024 is back to rounds and new maps.
Bro If anything gives you travis scott even vibes wouldnt that be a good thing even people who didn't play fortnite admit that was a good ass event
yes it was great, I loved it and I love fortnite, but when I play zombies I prefer classic zombies overall, not trying to hate, its just that my preference is to keep Fortnite and COD zombies different since the aim is different, or at least it used to be lol@@flamebreaker7318
Couldn't you integrate round based zombies into the new zombie mode? For example you could go to some area and decide to take up a challenge. Then the area would become restricted and transform in a typical zombie map with rounds. This way you could please both groups.
Or just make it a sub mode for Warzone and keep the round based mode for actual Zombies fans.
I dont know how they programmed it but extension of an existing mode is probably easier than coding the other mode from scratch besides the existing and you can use the mechanics of the current mode like recover your gear when you die, which some people like who dont want to start always from the beginning. Conceptually this could be just a round survival quest and there are already quests in this mode@@2diefor
I am not saying that this approach is better than what you proposed. I was just thinking what would be practically easier to archieve.
And you could have the freedom to create your own small round based zombie map anywhere on the map instead of devs doing the work.
@@deril1 I understand. I wasn't trying to make it like what you said was wrong, in fact I agree with that suggestion.
I dont think it's fair of Treyarch to claim a direct divide between the two modes when people who enjoy what zombies was are just waiting for a game that isn't awful by playing older ones. I feel that on bo3 alone, there are tons of players whom weren't accounted for just because they were tired of the unupdated rbm. As with a lot of people I've talked to, 2024 is the last chance to get it right for the real majority. It would be cool to see them continue the open world one just like they are with warzone, separate from the game in a way for those who are interested and still delivering on rbm.
Miss old zombies, i get trying something new but completely changing what makes zombies fun, round based is the best part
The only way Activision is getting another dime from me is if they drop a new zombie map for Black Ops 3.
As someone who started by playing BO2 zombies split screen with friends back in middle school. I personally enjoy both Round Based and Outbreak. When Outbreak came out, for me, it was a breath of fresh air just because it had felt like Zombies had been stumbling for the past few iterations of it (start of Cold War & BO4 mainly) nothing wrong with that but outbreak was something completely different yet familiar. As someone who often likes to look at things with a glass half full mentality, having the option for both round based AND outbreak could and should be what we are striving for, not one or the other. Player choice is the key to pleasing the most people. And with how many devs are working and chipping into make COD every year, both should be expected when zombies comes out.
I’ll be trying this zombies mode out when it releases, is it looking good or bad? I can’t say personally I need to see more or play it before I throw anything out there. Keep up the great work Milo, glad to see a video like this.
I resonated with saying that I was a hardcore RBZ enjoyer when you said that you probably looked up UA-cam videos about cyphers and the lore, my favorite part as a kid was going to bed and watching lore explaining vids on all the radios and EE’s
I’m in that old building player category. One of my happiest moments was completing the moon Easter egg. I can’t remember which game but I also had fond memories of the versus mode within the transit map. Friday night zombies with a friend. Oh how the time flies
Something not considered for the outbreak hardcore are the people that like round based, but knew from the numbers that Outbreak was better for weapon xp for your time than round based.
Did my own little research back in the Cold War days and while playing any zombie mode was still way slower then playing multiplayer, outbreak was noticably better to grind out weapon levels then round based modes indeed. If I remember correctly about 30% faster.
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I like this sifter of nuance arc you've been on lately. Keep it up.
it has been exhausting, but I hope it at least helps clarify the conversation for some people
@@MrRoflWafflesthis was a work of art for intellectuals worried about our fav hobby
love you milo❤️ truly a gem on the interwebs
It's so awesome that the last few years all Activision online services have been beyond dangerous for everyone to play, and yet they keep removing options to safely play the games. It's absolutely unreal that they are still such a large titan of a corporation because of the sheer incompetence and negligence.
Love how you articulated this and showed everyone's sides and opinions equally. I'm definitely on the hard core round based side, not overly hyped, but I'm willing to give the mode a try even though it probably won't feel like the zombies experience I prefer (solo round based high rounds and easter eggs)
in the multiplayer aspect honestly this cod looks good compared with mwii, but it's just gonna be the vanguard integration into warzone all over again. Nicki minaj + soccer players + halloween skins (evil groot gaia) running around with their 5 attachment shotgun bundles. Nah that sucks, it should've been a normal call of duty. It' shouldn't include zombies, instead it should have an alternative mode like back in the day they rotated and did e.g extinction in ghosts while treyarch developed their zombies for their turn. Nowadays they include zombies to milk the zombie playerbase since they know those players will buy it to not miss out on zombies.
Most people in general these days are getting addicted to villainizing others about anything so they can feel like better humans than others. It's really sad, but not surprising, that it spilled over into the zombies community.
I think the carrot on the end of the stick you're looking for might be the story missions. They described them as very high difficulty , unique areas that you will need to be fully set up for to have a chance, and I can assume will include boss fights. If I had to guess the game loop will be setting up in the open world and then repeating these story areas for permanent rewards.
So crazy that this is where we are at. I feel like they were so in touch with community during chronicles and leading to the bo4 launch
As a former zombies fanatic, I can confidently say I am done playing zombies. Treyarch already made peak zombies in the black ops trilogy.
i personally still feel like mw3 zombies is just dmz with zombies or dmzz, which kinda makes activision look lazy. also kinda dumb not to have the traditional round based zombies tbh.
Chaos died for this.
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I appreciate how much time you put into this, and I’m just glad to get any zombie news; as you said, going off marketing, DO NOT PRE-ORDER!
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I actually think this is the best video I have seen on UA-cam. How well thought out. And all analysis was spot on, well done milo
thank you so much man 🤯
I find it REALLY strange how people dislike BO4 and Cold War for being able to spawn in with a super strong weapon (BO4) or any weapon you want (CW), yet praise BO3 when you can literally start a game with opening the entire map for free, get all perks and multiple weapons. I've made the argument SO many times that simply having this option takes away the feeling of reward of not using them (same with BO4 and CW), but people argue against it saying "Just have will power and don't use them, idiot". Like... what?
One is an optional “cheat” feature, the others are core gameplay elements.
@@D3AL1O Both are optional. Gumballs are just as much of a core feature; they have their own dedicated loadout, menu, etc.
I’m just a fan of zombies. Period. Love round based, been playing since world at war, beat every Easter egg. Love outbreak. Love the open world concept. Dumped a LOT of hours in it. They make a zombies game, I’m playing it. ….except vanguard zombies. We don’t talk about that
Keep up the good work bro... They really need to hire you as a Creative Director for Treyarch zombies.
I AM THAT DUCK 🦆
I actually view them spending time and resources on a mode this year as a good thing. Due to the current engine being something that'll be used for the foreseeable future, anything they make this year can be transferred to next year's game more easily. Plus, this gives them a chance to get more familiar and comfortable using the current engine, so that should (in theory) allow for next year's mode to be more polished.
I wanna go back to bo3 days watching your vidoes about the easter eggs
Love how Milo is rambling about Zombies and I’m here “I am THAT Duck”
Tbh I think a lot of numbers from outbreak we're skewed so sorry if they think they know best they don't my reasons are this first and foremost covid I know this has already been pointed out but it meant more people were at home and as a result when a lot of cod players would get bored and want to play something different they could just go to zombies mode secondly which is the most important cod multi players would literally go to outbreak to level up guns as fast as possible because it was quicker for them to do it through outbreak than to do it in multi player. Not because they enjoyed the content but because they only wanted to grind gun levels simple as. As a result Activision think that oh this mode must have been great because it had a high player count not the case the numbers bumped up because of that not because outbreak was popular they definitely lost touch with the community look I ain't trying to completely knock it I personally did enjoy outbreak for a short time and remember being there for insomnias high round streams and when he broke round 1000 but I personally think they believe outbreak was more popular than it actually was because of the reasons I've stated and at least cold war still had the round based but thankfully we do have 2024 zombies to look forwards to but I fully agree with Lex on this one cod 2024 zombies is literally make or break for the future of zombies
I think there were a lot of players who preferred round based but spent a lot of time in outbreak because it was new and good too.
don't forget it was the fastest way to grind for aether shards
My friend and I prefer Outbreak. It's more fun in our opinion
Milo you've hit the nail on the head once again. Thank you for continuing to be a vocal, shining beacon in our community ❤
Personally Still think Bo3 is the peak of everything, and I just been feeling more and more distant from newer zombies, and which just fails to keep me in the mode or even to half of the extent of the bo3 bo2 days
I'm an old school high round zombie player. Although I'm having fun with this new mode, I still prefer round zombies. I wish they could integrate the two. Where you could exfil out of any round and return to it later (instead of leaving a crawler).