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"A stunning and brave attack helicopter"
Now that's diversity done right
I swear I have heard that before.
Ya Boy Zac maybe?😉
@@JJ-yi7kr
I don't remember him saying that
But if he did that means we think in similar ways lol
Never read the comix, but that one scene is enough for me to like it.
"I'm a super advanced cyborg rawr!"
"LOL deleted."
"I sexually identify with an attack helicopter"
So the overarching message is: Politics isn't what makes comics bad, a comic based on politics is what makes it bad. By the end of the day, comics should start from passion, not from agenda
Exactly
@@LiteratureDevil Even more so. A political standing based on a false premise. "America is racist yadda yadda."
Double Exactly.
@@doublep1980 Japan enters the chat: watch out Marvel we could do both equally well. Stan Lee co authored the manga Karikuri Doji Ultamo( and yes there is a Stan Lee cameo in there).
agreed
As you described Good Girl, it hit me- She not Human, in any way. No challenges, no flaws, no serious coflicts, no struggles. Superman is a literal Alien, yet he is more a human being that she is.
Yeah she is not like one punch-man. Who wants a challenging fight with his own powers getting in the way of that goal. With his good deeds, before he joined the heroes group. Credit was given to others. More than once. Not being rewarded for his good deeds. That and even after he joins the heroes. Deep Sea King arc. To allow the other heroes to save face. He plays the role of the bad guy and accepts the blame. Saves a city and the whole thing is turn against him, to paint him as the bad guy. Showing human emotions as he kind of lets loose by speaking with words. Sure he might be an all powerful god when it comes to a fight, yet mentally a whole another story. That and you get to see what he was like before he got his powers. Seeing yeah he is not the same as he was in the past.
While the only conflict if you can call it that for good girl. Happens to be with her sister from the future. So they are the only people who have super powers. Yet somehow they are enslaved? How did that happen? Given sure not everyone might be as strong as good girl but surely they would have the edge in any sort of fight, if their powers only grant a minor edge over a normal person. So if you take it as a conflict of ideas. It kind of falls apart, given how does someone with no super powers enslave a group of people who have super powers? Given having super powers would be like having a edge in technology, even if you are out numbered. The technology can help make up for it. Well maybe another conflict could be called her saving people. From a town that is majority of one group. Yet again that doesn't make much sense. She is basically doing her job, saving people. It doesn't take alot of time to go, oh yeah of course the majority of people she is going to save will be x. Due to that being the majority that makes up the town. How did it make her popularly drop that massively, over something that has a very simple counter anyone could make, once you think about it for a few minutes. That and did her becoming not as popular effect anything really? Given oh ok people dislike her now. Does that limit her ability to save people or are limits put in place by the government to ensure she doesn't go rogue or something due to questionable actions lately that been making them look bad or at least her? Did people start refusing her help to be saved by her? Why does her being popular or not matter again? In my hero academia, at least you know it effects there rank to a degree. Which can effect the cash they can get their hands on. Given things go well for Good Girl and than so called bad things happen but why are they bad? What effect do they have? That or simply making no sense. Which makes it hard to take any of these bad things that happen as serious, due to coming off as so force and shoe horned in.
And that is directly because the author(s) decided not to give the character a soul.
It takes a great writer to make a soulless character interesting. It takes a bad writer to not put a soul in the work.
@@bluedragon8417 Hell, Saitama would look at the issue she faced (public opinion turning against her) and go 'meh, whatever, as long as the other heroes get the recognition they deserve, I'm fine with that. Maybe that weird villain chick that just showed up might give me a good fight'.
@@rwatertree thank you! I was thinking that myself. He's got a ton of deep-seated hatred within him and it's on his sleeve.
At this point im a little shocked that everyone isn't sick of politics polluting modern media. it feels like every time i turn my computer on there is some movie with an sjw twist or some game under fire for not being progressive enough. can we pls just get media with good stories
"Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of it's victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis
It's why anime and manga keep growing. While they have their own issues you can get around that with fan subs and translations.
My parents, especially my dad, are both very tuned in to mainstream media. They watched Ghostbusters 2016 and liked it. They enjoyed Captain Marvel.
And even they are getting sick of the insanity. They come to me now and say "Do you know what the news said? They said that..." and proceed to tell me how they are vilifying some random innocuous thing like a glass of milk, a union flag on a shoe, the male gaze, and so on. I've known about this stuff for years, but now they are starting to understand that the rabbit hole just doesn't end.
I guess what I'm saying is there is hope. If two old people who think that the internet is for reading a newspaper's articles and reading emails think that the mainstream media is a bit nuts, things might be okay overall.
@@brigandboy1425 honestly im all for all the SJW junk being in media, my problem is that it becomes a detriment to the quality of the story
Their goal is to drown all other modes of thought, to saturate us so completely that we stop questioning or even noticing, the way fish don't notice water.
I can't get enough of how you take an argument, present both sides, and then rip it to shreds.
The last part about rip off vs inspiration hit me in a personal level. I write novel as a hobby and I always worry that my story is just a rip off of a more popular one. And when he is listing what make a story unique, I nearly cry because now I know that the story I made, though is inspired by many stories I read, but it is my own, for I pure my heart and soul into creating every elements of it.
Mine too. I would be the first to say, "There is nothing original in this story and that's okay." It's tropes and themes we've all seen before, but placed into different settings and mixed with other sources of inspiration. What tropes I could put a unique twist on, I did. The ones I couldn't without destroying the narrative, I didn't. I didn't want to force innovation where it doesn't have to be.
And as long as it fuels you with the needed energy and motivation to further your skills and make use of your talent it will create one productive and happy individual with an solid identity more on this planet which is a huge step in the right direction regarding "feelings" in our current climate. Thats how I atleast imagine "outgrowing your masters to become one yourself" kinda works.
"There's nothing new under the sun", that means everything has already been invented, but what it really means is that new things don't need to Reinvent anything, but combine what already is into something new, like legos.
What's not new is to paint that lego a different color and call it something else.
At this point in time, the line between *"rip off"* and *"inspired by"* is getting blurred. Just blatantly calling something a *rip off,* just because a character or story seem similar to each other, is kind of hostile without giving the other character/story a chance to be unique on its own. Take for instance the story I'm coming up with, it's based on Philippine Mythology. But I also thought of how to make it unique. So I thought to myself, _"why not borrow elements from other mythology."_ It hit me that I made the Philippine Gods a bit similar to Norse Mythology, by giving it the 9 worlds system. But at the same time giving it its own unique spin by having 13 Diwatas as founders of the Pantheon of Philippine Mythology. Each 13 Diwatas are unique. For ex, Arao is the first god of fire. Every Diwata that wields fire, would be Arao's descendant. Point is, even if people calls your work a rip off, don't let it discourage you, and just try to improve and strive for uniqueness.
bagsikdangal Same with me, my story’s premise is about virtual reality game, kinda like SAO (I like the premise, but not the plot) and also had its episodic feeling. While the world building is that of a typical fantasy world like lord of the ring, but with its own depth in culture and ability. But what I most proud of is my main character,
at first I imagine him to me the typical protagonist, nice, heroic and just an all around good person. Then I realize that I will be giving him a lot of op power and I then again had a ptsd from SAO. So I decide to turn his character into a self-centered manipulating asshole whose everything he do benefit himself in some way. Rescue a princess? He did it because having a future monarch being grateful to him will be highly beneficial in the long run. Freeing slaves? When you buy a slave, you gain their obedience, but when you free a slave, you gain their loyalty. Not to mention his most op power is slowly corrupting him and those around him into an unfeeling monsters. It was a blast writing this guy, though this type of character probably exist somewhere else already, I know that this specific one, is my own.
It's been 10,000 years...... but in all seriousness it's great to see you upload.
The Spider-Man pointing at his duplicate meme rings strong in this comment section!
Oh it's been 10 and 2,000 years~ since ai shiiii-teru 🎶
Stan, oh Stan. 😢 Where did you go? It's dark, Stan. It's gone dark.
To believe in just one person is to let their ideals go by the wayside.
@@fatelyre Never eat yellow snow.
@@vermis8344 It's still snow, right? Dream-like and ever-present in the winter, regardless of color or origin...
It's good to see more people believe in comicsgate then sjw propaganda.... This needs to happen more.... also that doctor Alpha comic looks good, I'll give it a shot.
Awesome!
Of course more people believe in comicsgate than propaganda, but the propagandists do their best to maintain the illusion that they are the majority.
@@Blurns oh I know.... but I'm even more pleased that more people see through that lie.
Everyone with the slightest bit of common sense puts a good story over bad propaganda 😂
@@Getcakedieyoung23 I agree
“Again” lmfao non of this makes any sense, how can you enslave a race of super heroes?
Probably with the power of "Contravium" the substance/ideology/tecnologic macguffin that hack writers use to bend the rules of the story because of reasons when they are cornered for any kind of logical explanation related to simple common sense and anything is possible with it. For more information on Contravium see the Terrible Writing advice channel.
Phyrexiandude as oh I’ve seen that actually, i was more just complaining about how irritating it is to see dumb shit like that. Bad writers write themselves into corners that they can’t get out of logically.
White Privilage is the ultimate super power apparently.
Lock up their families
Cause Whiteness(like German Science) is the GREATEST IN THE WORLD!
"War is politics by other means." - Clausewitz.
Yes! Von Clausewitz is awesome
Heinline also put it best. All actions are force. Basically what you speak and what you do have reactions and consequences.
Denzel said that in a movie.
I don't remember the name of the movie though
Comics are comics.
They are art.
There is nothing wrong with making a Bob Ross-type painting to simply have a nice scene on your wall.
There is nothing wrong with making a Picasso-type abstract painting to look and think on for your gallery.
Now, if I make a poorly made Bob Ross, or a poorly made Picasso, they will not be good.
Exactly, someone finally said it! I always thought this was common sense
Crims0n Gamer thanks, haha.
You may have a preference, but neither type is objectively better.
(Subjectively a story may be better in your opinion than another, and that’s perfectly ok).
Picasso had lots of non-abstract works that proved he had skills, though. His abstract art was not a mask for his inability to properly depict human figures, which I find is often what people dislike about modern "artists" who make claims about trying to be "different" when the truth is they don't know any actual techniques or possess any actual skills. I can't ascribe to the school of "everything you make is art".
V Love-Williams there are obvious exceptions about Art, such as that literal pile of cardboard boxes that was supposedly a sculpture, or that time a student put a pineapple in a museum where the caretakers didn’t throw it away, deciding to put a glass case over it instead.
@@vlo4829 i don't think they don't have Skill or don't have technique at least some of them for example Mark Waid one of the most recognisable SJW writers has been responsible for comics like Kingdom Come Irredeemable Daredevil etc all very solid comics
It's really disheartening to hear the words of Stan Lee you picked; when the same manner of words are used by Marvel to double down on what they are currently doing. Stan Lee couldn't have gotten where he got if he cared about politics more than quality story telling.
That bit made me tear up
Stan Lee say it years ago , this new comics are preachy
"masturbatory victimhood fantasy" DAMN BRO that was a powerful wording!
also, happy to see you making videos again uwu
Wow, what a twist, he like america sweetheart because the story is essentially a man of steel rip off
man of steel with days of future past.
Almost liked your comment, but didn't want to change the number from "69".
And yes, that's a good point lol
@@danielperkins7255 Its already 71 X3
Alpha Hollow funny thing is that both Hancock movie and the Meta-Human versus none Meta-Human conflicts in DC comics did the premise of America’s Sweetheart better because they actually made compelling arguments in their narrative stories whereas Devil Literature pointed out that America’s Sweetheart is just copy/paste Man of Steel but make it Black.
Justsomeguy called this out in his review of the books.
It's particular bad for Kwanza that you only needed to use one third of Zack's book to explain why Zack is the winner. That is actually just the first of three stories included in that book and Zack is offering it in a bundle with the sequel as a tier of his current crowdfunding campaign for anyone who's worried they might have missed out on it.
Or 1/ 100 of my hero Acedamia to see where Kwanser's story falls apart. And to be fair MHA is simply the house of M reality but without Magnito.
The "No Politics" aspect of ComicsGate is becoming something of a misnomer taken literally. Politics in comics are like war in foreign policy. Saying that you're against it as a blanket statement is like saying you're against screwdrivers. Sure it's annoying to watch inept people try to beat nails into wood with a screwdriver's handle, but that's not the tool's fault. Just the dolt wielding the tool.
To repeat an idea regarding Captain America which I heard articulated by Razorfist (not to steal the idea, but because sometimes you hear something so correct that it deserves to be repeated), it's not that politics have never been in comics or don't belong in them at all. The claim that "comics have always been political", while misleading, is technically correct. Half-truths are the most powerful of lies because they always start by stealing unearned credibility from that which is true and giving it to that which isn't. What makes the idea of the perpetual politics of comics misleading is that, especially in the case of Captain America, those politics were used to bring polarized people together, usually for a common purpose that's good for everyone. The problem with the attempt made by Black AF's author (I'm not even going to *try* spelling it out) is that his story takes a united people who are already on board with common causes and polarizes them into smaller tribes, where they supposedly belong. It's just a coincidence that this tribalization is the kind of thing that would make the job of a would-be conqueror, despot, or power-hungry politician measurably easier... right?
Throughout your entire rundown of Black AF, I wasn't really thinking "so basically Man of Steel" as you concluded, but "so basically X-Men". Unfortunately, while I loved what X-Men was going for, it seemed to have a highly detrimental effect whenever anybody since then has tried the same idea of an oppressed minority stand-in decides to take revenge on their oppressors, while another oppressed minority stand-in advocates peace. The allusion to Malcom X versus MLK respectively need not be emphasized further at this point, I would hope. Perhaps it's just human nature to see the revenge advocate as in the right and the peace advocate as a naive fool, a misinterpretation plaguing the entire mutant sub-genre of Marvel Comics (save for maybe Deadpool).
The way I write, I tend to make works with themes of disparate parties coming together. Perhaps in the hopes of healing the wounds caused by the culture war. Perhaps because I grew up on Power Rangers and other shonenoid nakama schlock. Either way, you can't have stories like that without acknowledging the politics of each faction, even if those politics are based wholly on fictional circumstances. Imagine if the Star Wars prequels were competent. Basically that.
At the end of the day, one of the reasons humans dominated the Earth is that, despite all their reasons to hate each other? The moment anything showed up that hurt more than one subgroup, humans showed that incredible empathy and sympathy for each other, and helped. When a hurricane sweeps in and devastates a village, their rival village would help them. The fact they'd been at war for two generations the day before the hurricane didn't matter. The few who held onto those hatreds and tried to act on them would be shamed for it. 'These people are suffering, we should be helping them.' is a universal human outcry since antediluvian times. It's a core part of human nature and at least some have made a reasonable argument that it is the greatest virtue of humanity.
There is a reason why dehumanizing your enemy has been required for all of human history, and it says something good about the nature of humans that such is required. That it doesn't stick, that it's unnatural, hard to do and so easily broken.
That's ... kind of the point.
You give politics an equal ground, not simply favor one position over the other. And you don't preach to the people as if you want to convince them to think what you want.
Following that example, maybe the aggressive ones have a point, because being peaceful has never given good results to their people, and maybe the peaceful ones have a point as well, because they don't want an all-out conflict that may end with everyone dead...
Ultimately, the story is not about this "struggle of ideas". Yes, you explore them, you deconstruct them, but you don't base your entire work on that.
Ideally, one finds a way to marry the best parts of all ideas in an effort to end an absurd dichotomy. It's rarely "us" vs. "them" because the world is much more complex than that. If you really want to unite people with different ideas, you better prepare to destroy lots of your most cherished beliefs. And that's what people hate. They are married to a specific vision of the world, because that vision is what gives meaning to their lives and their ideas. And that is the goal: To find a better idea that gives everyone equally a more positive belief that ends with all of those divisions.
As Alan Moore said (paraphrasing, because I don't remember the original quote): "Do not think of what may offend your audience. Think of what may inspire them... focus on the positive aspects of the story...".
I see fiction as a way to explore a complex topic. As a way to delve into ideas, and to let the audience choose what idea is the right one. Sometimes it will be obvious, but some other times it may inspire debate... but in the end, the most important idea should be one where we can all agree. Not a mere political statement, but an universal truth.
Here's the thing: should the politics of today shape the worlds of the authors( forced politics with no bearings on the plot) or should there be politics in the story that's unique to the world the author created?
I dont mind giving more diversity into comics at all. I mean Marvel was always the most diverse universe out there anyway, considering the time it happened to be a thing! X-Men is like 50/50 female and it has quite a few heros of different race or sexual orientation. Its just cringey when they make social politics their main goal. Its great as sidestories, worldbuilding details, etc. But The secret of a good political story is to give questions and letting the audience to choose the answer for themselves. Letting them feel like they had all the possible info from both sides and chose the good side even tho they still understand the other side. What is happening with political themes nowadays is they basically tell you the answer, without letting you think for yourself and overall make a statement that if you dont agree, you are a shitty person. So the increased diversity is not a problem at all. Its 21st century, we should be quite more opened than we were few decades back. But they just do it completely wrong way. Nobody want to be preached. Everyone needs to have the choice to choose wrong side! Otherwise the right side has no value.
Their definition of diversity = Take over comic, change character into some lgbtqiap+ whatever nut full of drama.
Perfectly said
@@Shyhalu Iceman..... what have they done to you......
@@HeyMomonia Iceman is sucking off icicles nowadays.
Amen
I swear to God, if I see the term ”Reverse Racism“ one more time...
Honestly it's Just Racism if you don't like Black People you are Racist if you don't like White People you are also Racist you don't like someone without knowing him Because of his RACE
Good things come to those who wait
In my opinion Comicsgate is correct, but Anti-Comicsgate does have some good points. Comics should be more entertaining without a lot of bias. Comics can be great tool for politics and educate kids and teens on current issues, but that shouldn't be its driving force. I believe unbiased stories and entertainment can bring people together a lot better than forcing agendas and beliefs which can bring up issues and cause conflict. The danger in using comics for politics, is that people focus more on preaching than telling an good story. This can not only ruin a good series (cough, Last Jedi, cough), it could also chase people away from comics. I feel comics gate and the anti-comicsgate should work together and help improve their craft. All in all, while comic writers are entitled to their own opinion and can create whatever they want, whether they are right are wrong in their reasoning is irrelevant... unless they rip off other people's content and spread forced agendas.
Here's my take politics should reinforce your story. Not the other way around. Take the Original Gundam and SDF Macross. Both have an anti war message but each pull from different times. Gundam was made by people who have memories of WW2 and reconstruction and have a drastic complete pacifist tone in its anti war message. SDF Macross meanwhile has the same message but comes with a caviate: there will be times when you need tools of war to defend yourself( as noted by Kamjin's rebellion in the last 9 episodes of the series). Compare these to Star Trek discovery or the new star wars movies.
People should realize that if they want to preach there is actually a profession for that, and I hear they're hiring now.
@@barrybend7189 Can you tell me about Gundam watchthrough experience? I wanna know, how does it feel to watch Gundam.
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 in short one of the best series to watch, in medium a good series that shows unadulterated war, in the long marvel at how big the death counts go in some series.
I somewhat agree and disagree with you
I think the problem with Anti-Comicsgate, actually overall Anti-entertaimentgate overall, is that their belief is due to biasm and that they fight for enforcing THEIR ideology into entertaiment media, while ignoring that it was a method used by horriable people and ideologies such as Nazi Germany to utlize entertaiment media to sort of brainwash the youth, I believe that while yes entertaiment media can be quite effective Nd edjucatioaal, it should not fall into forcing what is virtues, values and/or biased ideologies as a qouta.
Well, I *was* going to play my game first, but I've waited too long to ignore an upload on this channel.
I have no way of describing how good this video is, i guess you really took the "EXCELSIOR!!!" tip from Stan.
I tried to anyway lol
@@LiteratureDevil Keep up with the good work.
Comicgate is right, It's about the story. I'm not saying that you shouldn't comment on something in any form of literature, but the first priority should be the story and characters. Also, Docter Alpha sounds awesome! I can't wait to read it.
Too bad all the casualgate shit that crowdfunding has barfed out has no story, and art that is downright hilarious.
So the moral of the story is:
Passion makes a good quality, not politics. You can put politics in but don't based your story on it. Keep it on the side but don't make it something forced either. Also SJW's are fanatic.
1:DOC ALPHA HYYYYYPE!
2: That Stan Lee tribute is dare I say it......... *devilishly* manipulative. Quite touching too.
3: I got the sense as soon as you finished talking about B:AS that ultimately you thought the story was good only in ways that damned the Anti-Comicsgate claim. I'm glad I was correct.
I have the perfect solution to comicsgate; just do the best of both worlds, it's people just forgot how to compromise and work together (something that's very important is politics; looking at you anti-comicsgate).
ps, love your channel and your content, it gives me good insight for my own story (I'm currently writing), also can't wait to read you're new comic, good luck with it.
The point is not that politics is bad, but that politics replacing good writing is bad. Comics gate is the middle position.
Thanks, I'm hoping to have the comic out as soon as possible.
@@LiteratureDevil cool
I do not know why people are hating on Comicsgate. If they are crowdfunding and releasing comics on their own, what is the issue?
Are any of them racist? Sexist? Homophobic?
And if they are pushing a political message that is right wing, again, so what? People that are turned off will not buy those issues and they will fail.
"Go anti-woke, go broke."
@@dragonchr15 Not a clue, maybe they hate the guy that started it or something?
Ironically, when you pair down America's Sweetheart, especially as you showed in 17:50, it ironically works as a great condemnation of the political tribalism of anticomicsgate.
Sure does
I feel like there is room for both. Whenever I am brought in on these conversations, it's always either or. Why can't it be "and"? Comics are fun and can be political? Everything is a balance and we need both. Lots of people forget that in his time Stan wrote lots of controversial stories and actively fought against the Comics Code Authority to get those in. It was the wonder of Fantastic Four that made him popular, but the nuance of political isolation that made the X-Men. Without either we would miss out on so much: God loves Man kills, Civil War, the Court of Owls, Secret Invasion, etc. In short including the other doesn't automatically compromise the other aspect, it's all in the hands of the minds that craft it. It's only compromised when we think one matters and the other doesn't
While I may not totally agree with you. You have gained a sub in me bro 👍
Well, the "Comicsgate" position is story FIRST. If there is a story to tell then the political elements should integrate more naturally, and it is less likely to be preachy or one-sided (although there is a chance that it still could be).
If there is an agenda to propagate and build a story around, it is usually evident in the story and in a bad way... The ability to show nuance or empathize with various opinions tends to be restricted or non-existent in politics-first properties, because too much empathy and nuance waters down the "message" that they are trying to push.
Yeah, Comicsgate, at least for me, is story first but if you want to make it current affairs then find a great narrative to read into the story that doesn't come off like I'm watching 24-hour news.
I don't want politics removed, I just want the story to matter more than the writer's rage against whatever is going on that week on Twitter or something. It's obvious that even average ppl don't want to feel the preach coming on in every single issue.
Been waiting for this for a while
Someone tell me I'm not the only person that was tearing up when Stan started speaking?
When I have to listen to some tragedy against the art of storytelling and have to hear people defending utterly mindless garbage, I come back to this 4 part series and re-engage with why I started writing in the first place. To understand that my passion will not die so long as people like you, like me, and like Stan Lee still exist. And whenever I come to those final words from you and Stan, I find myself tearing up with pride in what I do and in how I strive to live up to the heights this art can reach.
Thank you Literature Devil, and especially thank you Stan Lee.
Sincerely, a simple fan
I still want to see marvel and DC get shredded in comparison to Manga. Also I suggest Five Star Stories by Mamoru Nagano and Battle Angel Alita by Yukito Kishiro.
One Problem: Normies
@@iregreteverything360 so?
@Deathcheat 666 cultures might be different but stories are told universally.
Meh... Black Clover (shonen in general) is super heroes/boy stories. Lone Wolf and Cub is (somewhat dated) adult narrative. [Insert manga] is...
They are different but similar mediums, with stinkers and keepers. An arbitrary an unnecessary duel IM(not so)HO.
@@niicopanda I picked my 2 because one the art is extremely beautiful and gets its point across, and two the characters are really human. Also if he reads Five Star Stories you get a better ending in its arc than the entirety of Game of thrones.
I'm new to the comicsgate thing, but i write stories in my spare time. I've never thought of themes or messages when i write my stories, only the story ahead of me and i've had my english and theology major family member find themes after the story was written. I remember a creative writing classmate who did basically the opposite in our playwriting course. The stuff he did basically beat you over the head with his messages. I think themes can be subconcious for some. The aim is to tell something that the majority reading or watching will love (a good story).
Fantasy will show you what will happen to you when you take up a quest and for good or ill. SciFi will ask and explore a question with great significance, but will never provide the answer. Political works outline a problem of compatibility between groups or methods or principles and it's all in the reconciliation of this problem that determines whether they're propaganda or not.
Revealing and exploring a political problem is the SciFi route and if done truthfully, is neutral -even if unnerving. The fantasy route will demonstrate what it takes to solve the problem and NOT what the solution must necessarily be.
It's only when the solution is preached to you, when a particular perspective or interpretation or means and ends is presented as the moral good and righteous action that you're now dealing with propaganda. The reason these become terrible stories is because they do not honor the agency of the reader. The don't engage with the reader as an autonomous individual whom they will attempt to expose ideas and perspectives and experiences to -to allow the reader to see things through their own lens, their own interpretation. Instead, the good, the moral, the right ideas are forced onto the reader, ignoring their input. So now the reader is left to consider only whether they agree with what the author is saying AND NOT if they empathize with the characters such that they can understand and sympathize with their perspective. Which may or may not be that of the author.
Point being, the story and characters of propaganda no longer become vessels for our own self insertion such that we can come to understand and empathize with their perspective and problems. Rather, they become vessels of authorial dictation, telling us what is and is not true and what is and is not moral. So no longer is the story about imparting hard lessons and old wisdom, of what can/will happen if we do X, or what to expect when we engage in Y, and how to manage with these universal experiences (causality and the human condition). Instead, we're simply exposed to an opinion piece masked by means of storytelling. We're told not what can/will happen, but rather what the author wants to happen. What they want to bring about. How they want us to see the world.
Which reveals the egotism at the root of the issue and all propaganda, frankly. Which is then revealed, without all the layers of literary critique required to find and demonstrate it, in their fucking tweets. In the personality of such authors. Which is why they're all so horrible.
The irony is that if they had paid attention to the questions raised in SciFi and the lessons (heroes journey) of Fantasy, then they would have known that propaganda like this doesn't work. Hence the backlash. But then again, why would we suppose that they'd have ever cared much for stories in the first place?
After all, they don't write them.
Beautifully said. Needs more upvotes!
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Glad to see your content again. Great breakdown and very inspirational. The comic sounds great, will definitely check it out.
I think Meyer hit the nail on the head with the statement, "Comics used to be made for smart kids, but now they're made for dumb adults."
Talking about the Black af comic, and how you had to gloss over a lot of polemics, I think the quote really applies. If the author was taking his bizarre worldview and telling a story with that lens it'd be one thing, but he has to pack the comic with heavy handed preaching to make sure there's no ambiguity or room for interpretation for those reading. Dude can't even trust the reader to infer the message he wants without spelling it out.
There's gonna be a market for overtly political material on any medium, but what is being argued at the root is the hijacking of cultural icons and touchstones to signal boost a message to an audience that could never be earned on merit.
The saving grace of ComicsGate is the barrier to entry is far less than for other mediums where nerd culture has been converged. This means that new blood can enter, and with their sales/earnings tallied together I imagine they can make those holding mainstream comics hostage look really, really stupid.
Is comicsgate wrong? No, they are right. Absolutely right. By the by, I now have another comic to look forward to.
While studying screenwriting years ago, I read that every story has already been written. That means that anything you write is going to have elements from other stories in it. Look at “The Force Awakens”...bad example. They took the same route as Black AF. At least Richard owns a blender (and he can use it with only one hand, his videos prove it.)
I knew I had reasons to be excited about the Zack vs. Kwanza battle, but man, what a BATTLE it was! This video was great, and the Doc. Alpha comic is a truly interesting and fun idea that I'd very much like to support.
16:38 even in a world where only black people have super powers, it's still the world's first black superhero.
Yeah that gets me kinda annoyed as I'm wondering why is this world's history the same when he gust changed humanity's major gene pool. Heck there should be mixed kids with powers by modern day and genetic breeding programs to try and get powers spread out.
@@barrybend7189 i was thinking that it only changed history back to the modern day, seeing as if they changed it back to the dawn of man, everyone would have superpowers by the time it reaches the modern Era.
You need to sell “Please Ask Me About My Evil Agenda” T-shirts.
Those shirts are actually available on a certain teir in the current campaign if you want to check it out. www.indiegogo.com/projects/doctor-alpha-miracle-child-graphic-novel/x/22169562#/
It’s not about someone having a great idea for a story, but someone wanting to push his political agenda into a media
Therefore #comicsgateright
No matter how many times i see these videos your breakdowns always give me chills with how good they are
literature devil, E;R, and PSA Sitch walk into a bar....
The bar then gets mobbed by SJWs parked outside with signs proclaiming all of them to be racist nazis.
An excellent end to a great series
I think it proves that politics can be in there but it needs to be more mild and the story should take priority. When the anti-comicsgate people say "politics have always been in comics" that's type of comics they are talking about although the politics of old were usually along the lines of "Be good to each other" and "Everyone is deserving of respect even if they are different". Their biggest problem comes in execution. Instead of giving someone a inspiration to think about a subject and do their own research to come to their own conclusions they think that they have to tell people how to think. It's not just in comics either. The subtlety seems to be missing in every medium. It's the difference between a nudge and a full body push. That's a big reason why everything is so divisive. It's designed to anger one group and appease another instead of being welcoming to all comers with a little extra bit in the back for the ones that want to see it. I personally prefer no politics all together but if it has to be in there I'd prefer it be something I could overlook and still enjoy.
No, comicsgate is not wrong. What is wrong is to do anything but make those great stories that we all love no longer be good stories.
Thank sir for another episode. As always, thought provoking.
Guess whose back? Back again? Devils back. Tell a friend
Also, subbed to first edition, I like your work, so even though I'm not a big Comics-guy (I read Jojo, I guess...) I'll be paying attention to Dr. Alpha, it'll be interesting after all these videos to see you put your ideals into practice, even if it's a first time work, I'm sure open to a bit of fun.
I'm sure everybody supports you on this, and I wish you all the best for the project!
Awesome! I'm actually not a comics guy myself. I only dabbled occasionally. I usually preferred novels and short stories. Taking a look into comics was a fun and interesting experience, though.
I think that the most important thing to do as a writer is to be honest with yourself and just write with good, honest, fun. When you are writing while having fun, the reader will know that and feel the fun as well. It's somewhere within the flow of words where anyone can sense whether a story was made just as a chore or a bland frankenstein construct of tropes, or with genuine passion.
I got that feeling with Jawbreakers. I could tell Meyer was having fun. With Kwanza, it felt like he was reluctantly writing a story so he could hurry up and have something to set his politics on.
That ending with Stan Lee got to me...
Your whole video and channel inspired me too. I've been putting what I've learned about good storytelling into practice with a throwaway novel of my own, a sort of "sandbox play" of sorts, to develop my skills into what I hope will be a more matured piece for public consumption. I've always wanted to become an animator/showrunner who created strong narratives to entertain an audience, because that was sparked my own imagination as a child. Your analysis of the two comics was incredibly fair and insightful, and now I feel equipped with what mentality to approach the art of storytelling.
As in the book "Steal Like an Artist" by Austin Kleon, he quotes the filmmaker, Jim Jarmusch: "Steal from anywhere that resonates with inspiration or fuels your imagination. Devour old films, new films, music, books, paintings, photographs, poems, dreams, random conversations, architecture, ... light, and shadows. Select only thinks to steal from that speak directly into your soul. If you do this, your work (and theft) will be authentic." Basically, like your example of "Jawbreakers", the "Frankenstein Effect" of tearing and stitching different ideas and inspirations together to create an entirely original piece of fiction (as compared to directly ripping-off one source) is a risky and yet authentic way to create any form of art.
Thank you very much for creating these channels and sharing your insight! Your advice and critiques are incredibly valuable to me and likely many others who want to pursue the career of a storyteller.
I'm glad you're getting something out of the videos. These days, people are often quick to call something a rip-off or clone. However, many artists across the decades, even centuries, have been inspired by other artists and their works. It's not really about using what you like from other works, it's more about WHAT you do with the elements you'd like to use. Will they be used as someone else might use them, or will they be used how you might use them?
I've followed the final year of Stan's life. It was so sad how much betrayal and indifference he was given by people who took advantage of his name and legacy to push their careers forward. Hearing how no one was there to support him when he was suffering was disheartening and even more so when people celebrated his death; and hearing this insincere series of praises to him by actors and the like just makes me want to vomit.
the ending with the stan lee voice over and all the quotes made me cry... your videos are always so beautiful and unspeakably thought-provoking, every time i watch another comicsgate video, im like "god he has to just be repeating what he said before, nobody can top that argument!" and then you do it, and it's just.... amazing. please keep creating!
I'm from Germany and we recently had such a war all about culture and ideology, too. It's still traumatizing and it's really hard to talk about it...
They tried to establish a pizza with chocolate topping all over it. However, amidst the ongoing war that heresy did get completely erased and wiped from all the selling floor.
Quite the reveal at the end! Looking forward to seeing your success!
Gonna keep my eye out for doc alpha. I've been wanting to write my own comic for sometime. One that takes place in a superhero world like yours but done from the perspective of the bystander or the common man.
I like that idea. Let me know how it goes.
Another excellent video. Sad this series is ending. It taught me so much about how comics (& stories over all) should be. Thank you.
My friend you just made a promise, and i wholeheartedly expect you to deliver because it sounds AWESOME and i already am curious about this secret #Docalpha
P.S: Comicsgate is RIGHT, and i feel that bit with Stan THE MAN Lee at the end was much needed closure, this isn't just an argument for the sake of nay-saying the SJW, is about trying to tell better stories to both honor a legacy that marked us readers all across the world, as well as to leave a legacy that'll mark future generationsHOPEFULLY for the better.
Exactly
Nice bit with Stan the Man. Brought tears to my eyes.
God you're a breath of fresh air. Thank you for the time and effort you put into your videos. Watching them is always a delight. Cheers to you on your journey as a comic creator.
Ya know... I've been lurking around the channel for awhile. You've rekindled my interest in literature, and for that I cannot thank you enough.
ComicsGate is right. All the way.
The Stan montage around 30 minutes in brought tears to my eyes.
I was thinking that the Americas Sweetheart was a good story, until you pointed out why. I guess I have a soft spot for the man of steel arc and therefore will always fall for it's rip-offs. Commercialization works.
You have inspired me. I am a writer. I don't think my story is fit for comics, but I am 2 chapters away from finishing my book. I've been afraid to share it, afraid to push a book that is a part of me and have it crucified by the mob. But I can no longer stand idle and let NPC culture ruin what I love: good stories in a science fiction or fantasy setting. I have talent, I have the drive, and thanks to you I now have the bravery. I will be finished with my first draft in a week, and from there, I will work on getting published. What I do is not only to release a good story, but to put my foot down and say, "This line is one you cannot cross," to NPC culture. I'm also at a crossroads in my career, and this video was the grain of rice needed to tip the scales to what I believe is my destiny. I believe in a good story. I always have. I believe in many of the things that once were, things that now are villified. Even if I stand alone, I will stand by my book and my beliefs. I am no longer fearful of the mob. I am no longer fearful of failure. Thank you for making this, and thank you for going into superhero field. I hope to sit next to you at a convention panel answering questions, one day.
Glad to hear it! I'm happy you found my videos helpful. Good luck with your writing
‘Treat others how you would treat yourself.’
That’s the reason I despise hypocrisy. Every person on the planet has an even playing field and no one has the right to be a hypocrite.
I actually had no idea that Stan Lee quoted the Bible. but I also gotta say, dang man, you have some great breakdowns and I just love how digestible you make it easy to understand certain storytelling perspectives and unique ways that can make something good, and even something that may just be mediocre but you try to fix it. That I think makes these some of the most impressive video essays ever really.
Thanks! Glad you liked the video
And AWESOME! You're jumping into the comics waters! After having listened to you I know I'm going to back your book because it will be EXCELLENT!
As soon as I'm finished scripting, everything should start rolling out pretty fast.
Missed opportunity to eject Marvel out of an M1 Garand with a ping sound effect
I think I started watching your videos late last year. I love your insight and how you try to view things objectively. You're very eloquint but explain everything so simply. I can't wait to read your comic book! I love the concept! Hurry up and take my money!!!
Awesome! Glad you're liking the channel. Working on getting everything together for the comic right now
Fantastic series -- Thanks for these videos. Looking forward to Doc Alpha!
The ending made me cry. Not just for the loss of a man who inspired the hero in me, but the passion behind his works. It's one I have as well and continued to have no matter how many times I was told I can't do it. I succeed. And I hope that your stories do well. It's artists like Lee and countless others that help us drive to be the storytellers we are today. And I feel like he and the rest of them would be proud. Not just because we're telling another story, but helping make the world a better place
Upending the status quo for golden age?. No longer is the villain content with the robbery of wealth or inconvenient mass scale pranks. But now, actually injecting malice and horror? Signifying a horrible turn in the routine? Seeing how the escalation effects both sides and what they go through? Now that sounds interesting!
The day Marvel died is the day we lost Stan Lee.
We need him now more than ever.
I keep missing your live streams on account that I work around that time, but at the very least they make for good listening on the way home. I am very excited that Meyer has started another Indiegogo and I plan to catch up with his series. I also look forward to when you Indiegogo shows up.
No problem. That's why I like to leave them up. I know there are a lot of people who have work or other responsibilities at that time. And I'm hoping to get the campaign up very soon.
Ive been waiting for this!
Holy crap! Man of Steel. You nailed it. Count me in for Doctor Alpha.
Awesome!
Good to see you are puting your talents at work in a passion project, hope you the best.
You are a beautiful writer and speaker. Keep it up.
That's awesome about the new comic. I'll check it out!
A great way to end this series, then you drop that bombshell at the end. I'm looking forward to further announcements on Doctor Alpha, you madman.
The development should really speed up once I finalize the script.
I am really excited about the direction of this channel as well as this new comic series you are working on. Please keep up the good work. You are an inspiration to other creators and soon-to-be creators like myself.
You got it!
You've already got my support for your comic, looking forward to the kickstarter
You went far and above in this one, bravo, masterful
Waiting for each episode of this series has been well worth it. Splendid work!
A superhero comic book inspired by Pulps? You sure know how to sell a story. Sign me up!
Great work as always.
I like the sound of that Doc Alpha book your talking about too.
Reminds me of early issues of "The Darkness" (Your Villain is a Protagonist instead of an Antagonist)
Good luck to you and future projects (And current projects too obviously lol)
Thanks, much appreciated
Love your work, man. As such, I'm EXTRA stoked for Dr. Alpha. Can't wait to see what thrills you'll surely bring to the table!
A finale worth waiting for. Damn, was crying at the end. Oh you devil you.
Really good take, pretty even handed on the topic with a good Segway to the point with Stan Lee & the question in regards to the comic industry surrounding comicsgate.
I would like to suggest potentially guest starring on the stream EFAP ( mooler ) in regards to your critiquing, given their 'infamy' and your 'villainous characterization', I think it would be a worth while experience & informative
( A few good commentators I like are there & I'm just adding more names to that list )
If they're open to it, I'll head over.
@@LiteratureDevil I'm sure they'd love to have you :D
I'm suddenly very excited! WOW! So well done, my friend!
I could not stop face palming at listening to that first black people story/comic shit...
It has everyting that should not be in comics and movies (in my opinion)...
I cant believe people want to read/watch that kind of stuf...
It replaces all the fun and adventure for predictable twists and politics...
Exactly. Listening to that ridiculous story was excruciating and insulting. I can't stand being preached to, and along the lines of all the leftist propaganda of my education that left me blinded for so much of my life. It's fine to involve some social commentary in stories, to get people thinking and preferably to not take a side in something controversial, but beyond that you're dictating to the reader/viewer what their beliefs should be and that's insulting in the extreme, especially coming from the side that blabs about beliefs and feelings versus actually focusing on good DEEDS...which is what superheroes (or any real life hero) are all about, go figure!
@@andrewmontague9682 No one is saying you cant have politics in comics...
People just think it should be done right, without the heavy handed push and blame/shame we see in comics/movies these days...
Its fine to have a super hero black guy, that worked his way up in a white dominated police force before he got his powers and now uses the things thought by his police experience to fight crime...
Its not good when you make every white cop a racist bastard, and have the hero join antifa...
When people say they doint want politics in comics they mean EXACLY what you are saying...
So why was it that you disagree?
Because people did not use the exact words you would use?
@@andrewmontague9682 Yeah sorry about that, it just reminded me of all the times folk come and go #notall...
Diffrent topic i know, but i just realy hate it when people assume that if you say you doint like something you mean ALL of it, and in EVERY way posible...
Anyway sorry for being a dick...
Andrew Montague I actually thought the premise of Meta-humans versus none Meta-humans was done better than the stories in X-Men, but maybe that’s just because the only X-Men characters I like are Rogue and Deadpool whereas DC I like all the characters except Wonder Woman.
@@andrewmontague9682 Agreed, politics in comics is fine, and can even sometimes be better than one without it, as long as it's not the point or main focus of the story.
I started watching your videos a few hours ago and already they have sparked discussions between myself and friends or family members. Your content is refreshing and very balanced in its analysis of the subjects you put under your gaze. I look forward to more of your work as time moves forward.
It's so hard to leave youtube with you great creators still here! Please upload to Bitchute too!
I'll think about it.
Nice timing. Just subscribed yesterday and was worried the channel had died. Bravo.
Nope. Just takes me a while sometimes lol
For me, it doesn't matter whether the author puts their politics first or the story itself. What I care about is the quality of the writing.
While I think it's certainly easier when focusing on the story, the opposite can certainly lead to entertaining and thought provoking works.
Again, it's all about the skill and quality of the writing being employed.
I've lived each episode on this topic. Thank you!
Loved not lived sorry