Woke American Comics vs Manga
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2021
- In a world hungry for heroes and stories, why is manga succeeding so well in America when American comics are diving? Is it simply due to biased political nonsense being shoved into a 2020 era DC and Marvel or is it something deeper?
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Chapters
0:17 What Does Woke Mean?
4:39 American Comics Sales Are Down
7:11 Why Manga is Winning the West
10:53 What Does the Science Say?
16:30 It's the Character that Matters
17:10 The Secret Behind Manga's Success
23:30 The Secret in Practice
26:03 The Ultimate Tragedy
28:03 Diversity of Story
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They said mangas are killing comics, i said no, comics commit suicide
Perfect way of putting it
Very true
Their own failure is what led them to their own death
it committed suicide and left a note saying its mangas fault. well at least that what I've heard
Damn this is accurate af
damn, i'm just barely realized that
American comics: Struggles to show you how big and tough a girl can be
Japanese manga: Shows a teenage girl using a nail and hammer to annihilate demons in five minutes
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This^
Mangas have a loottt of mary sues though I can't argue about the american comics
Nobara Kugisaki supremacy
@@ellehcim2779 not all mangas are good but at least you can find good stuff
Manga isn’t killing comics, comics keep shooting itself in the foot.
Ah they did the old Hitler maneuver
@@congratulationsmerry6386 Nah they did The Seppuku treatment
More like in the face
@@congratulationsmerry6386 Try to extinguish the plague of the world??? Not quite.
It's funny how little they care. They literally bleed money everywhere and are just like "This is fine. Politics first."
“The Manga is better” now has a whole new meaning
Exactly
love this comment
Comics: * points at female character* "Look, diversity!"
Manga: * points at female character* "Look, amazing stories!"
The anime season of Q2 of 2021 had 3 female lead isekais.
So, I'm a Spider, so What? is a action shonen anime who happens to have a female (spider) as main character.
I've Been Killing Slimes for 300 Years and Maxed Out My Level is a relaxing comedy of a overpowered character and her all female colorful group of friends.
The Saint's Magic Power is Omnipotent is a typical shoujo anime. It combines isekais tropes (a random Japanese is summoned as a hero and gains a OP power) with shoujo troupes.
All 3 isekais were good. None of then need to bash men to highlight their powerful female leads.
@@LuisBarrim a couple seasons ago, there was also "i reincarnated as the villainess and all routes lead to doom" pretty self explanitory as a title.
@@elfireii328 Season 2 of it was airing untill last week. And the protagonist won the "best protagonist" Crunchroll award. Among male and female protagonists.
The funniest part for me is that its not like Manga variety doesn't contain representation, and since a long time. You talked about Sailor Moon, who had a lesbian couple. Or should I talk about the infamous couple of Saint Seiya ?
The funniest part is that, in the end, its american adaptation that couldn't deal with representation back in the day when japanese artist had no care in the world
@@maxentirunos the pendulum always swings too far into over correction
"Men often fantasize about solving the crisis and saving the day" Jokes on you, I plan on starting the crisis
The fact that your pic is like an 8 year old elevates this comment from normal joke to comedy gold.
Yes.
Sign me up I will give you idea we will set up the world on fire
@@Nanno888 you both need help.
You can count me in as the Muscle
@@rizalalbar Okay We burn This World 🌍
I mean, I've watched a slice of life anime about a cat.
Not a special cat with powers or anything like that, no, just a cat doing cat things. It's unironically fun.
Yep,
but lets not delude ourselves: Anime/Manga have their OWN
Problem-Trends and Issue-Genres,
even if we ignore ALL the Offline-Stuff (like terrible, vile Worker-Exploitation).
@@loturzelrestaurant yes but that isnt the point of the video
What Anime Was That?
@@FanOfLightning95 Chi's Sweet Home
They're really short episodes. Just a cute kid's show.
I remember watching an anime once about hamsters going on little adventures
Watched some Jujutsu Kaisen - Nobara is an excellent strong female character because she gets her ass kicked, and kicks it in return. She clearly deserves her place among the main cast, and has a very positive version of self-love: "I love myself when I'm pretty and all dressed up... and I love myself when I'm being strong!"
And she gets along with her male colleagues and surprisingly good at blending in with her friends antique. All superhero comic I've ever have extremely arrogant women who think they are better than anyone else, especially guys. Some of them are unreasonably overpowered, extremely independent (in a bad way).
Yup I like her too and her overall character
I also rlly loved how they didn't make her a love interest, in fact i loved there was almost minimum to no romance in the whole story since what we seek from it was the action, the shounen aspect of it so the romance would've ruined it for many. Heck, nobara even had more chemistry with maki than itadori or megimi imo. Strong woman being simply strong and confident with no 'being feminine is weak' sh*t, side angst, tragic backstory, forced quirkiness or all that stuff was refreshing to see.
@@reno9571 So Do I
@@megumintobuna-4537 bro what she only respects maki
Comic: This girl represents strength and she blah blah blah.
Reader: okay
Manga: Here's a girl with robot arms that will tell you the meaning of love.
Reader: You got me girl with robot arms
Violet Evergarden ;)
😭😭violet
and that girl with robot arms will make you cry like a child
Violet Evergarden oh my god that one of best anime and Light novel of all time for me
Started ugly crying then appreciating the art of ot
Yaoi, Yuri, Shoujo, and Shonen are all genres in manga that already covers LGBT and female and male audiences. And they’ve had them for a long time without ever having to brag about them for virtue signal points.
Heck, now manga also has LGBT manga and it's good. I think one of the manga get award. I FORGET ABOUT THE TITLE THO
Hmmm... Now that's a different genre but I can see what you're doing 😎👍.
@@TheGodofChaosItself184 welll, technically, Shounen, Shoujo, Seinen, and Josei isn't a genre...
@@RutraNickers but let me ask you, do they like pushing the same shit like you do in US? the obvious answer is no. Japanese society is rigid as hell, even when it comes to sexual orientation. those things like Shounen-Ai and Shoujo-Ai is merely an escapism from the real life. I still don't support homosexuality but when you say they're bigoted, then you're extremely wrong if you didn't know about Japanese society as a whole.
@@RutraNickers The toxic relationships are there because they sell. Perfect relationships tend to be boring. Either the focus is not on the relationship, so the LGBT representation is toned down to not interfere with the actual interesting plot, or you have to get a twist that attracts readership.
In my eyes good representation is when it doesn't feel like one, and everything feels right in the story
Precisely: "Coherent world-building". Could be anything and nothing is "special pleading", either!
So Into The Spiderverse ? I mean the movie focused on Miles taking up on the role of Spider Man in his own way, but it still had other characters.
You're completely correct about this.
Woke representation is in fact not representation at all, because when instead of making a human that shares a trait with, say, a queer person, the audience will actually be able to identify and sympathize with that character. If however you instead just build a cardboard figure that says "gay" on it, they will not sympathize. And isn't that the point of representation in the first place? To make people identify with a character more because they share some traits? If so, well, it fails. All the time.
I myself have some attributes that could count me to a "minority", but also many many more traits that are much more common. I do not identify with a character simply because he has ONE single trait in common with me. First of all, I need to see him as an actual person. Woke characters are not persons. They are puppets who, when squeezed, will drop an anvil of ideology on you. As someone who does not identify as a marionette of politics, I will never relate to these characters.
aka nbc hannibal
It’s like the rule of good sfx in movies “it’s doing it’s job right if you don’t notice it” if it was bad you’d notice it immediately and be pulled out of the action because you’re too focused on the bad graphics. Good representation is one where it’s so natural you don’t realize it’s happening.
There have been progressive messages in comics for years. Just look what Stan Lee and company accomplished. The difference is these new writers don’t seem to understand that being LGBT+ is a character trait, NOT A PERSONALITY!
This is why Manga is dominating even with stories containing the same representation:
Manga: Here is a wonderful, nuanced story about the highs and lows of a couple in a relationship. By the way they are both men/women.
Comics: Here is a gay couple. Look how gay they are! Watch them being gay! Do you get it, they are GAY! The story is that they are GAY! The character’s only personality is being gay/trans/female so if you don’t like this comic you are obviously an istaphobe and a horrible person! It can’t be because there is no story or plot.
The core of this agenda are Communists acting in bad faith. You can explain to them how they are wrong. They don't care. They hate America. The worse it is the more they like it. It is their agenda to destroy America. They are Communists after all.
personality and character trait are similar to each other
You have either never read manga in your life, or truly don't understand the vast world that is manga. To pretend like your average manga is some thoughtful, nuanced literature is wild.
No, it is not.@@jakeystarsuper
@@jakeystarsuper similar, sure. In the same way a handful of sand and a window are similar. You can't just take one handful of sand, place it in a hole and go "look at this window i made!" because that's just one part of it. You need so many more handfuls to make that window, and then you got to process it, mix it all together to create a functional window-pane, and not just a bunch of different gags and traits.
If Japanese Comics centered around fishing, food, and sports can outsell your current day leading American superhero comics, there is something drastically wrong with the business model of American Comics.
This is honestly what I’m thinking as well. It can’t be due to just the whole “diversity” thing - something is fundamentally wrong with the business model itself.
@@SpiderkillersInc it's due to accessibility and adapting the stories to series/movies. Western comics aren't as accessible as, say One Piece, a manga series with over 1000 chapters, because of constant reboots, side stories etc. Manga's strentgh lies in streamlining by being a continuous story headlined by the main writer where you could pretty much pick up any story from chapter 1/volume 1 and work your way up from there.
Anime is much more visually appealing compared to western 2D adaptions of comics, with sakuga scenes basically going viral weekly on Twitter (the anime industry won't and can't keep this up, though this is a conversation for another time). Anime and Manga is also far easier and cheaper to access due to the huge piracy culture which has been pretty much the no. 1 way to consume them since pretty much forever now due to slow licensing and lacking translations.
There's also the overall quality of Anime and Manga, 99% of which follow the exact same structure and tropes, not trying to break away from these set rules. And since pretty much all of the content's targeted towards teenagers none of them try to serve as a sort of bildungsroman. The vast and overwhelming majority of animanga is not trying to make multilayered statements as to appease the broadest audience possible and even the ones hailed as deep are nowhere near a Watchmen, Sandman or Maus.
@@lLe0nx3 wdym the anime industry wont and cant keep this up?
Why the fuck would I worry about someone sexuality while I'm trying to diffuse this bomb
@@shigeokageyama4458 Simply put: not enough animators to keep up the high quality production output and the ones already working are being treated like they work in sweatshops. Your pfp is from Mob Psycho, which is a fantastic example.
Mob Psycho is being animated by studio Bones, also responsible for the likes Boku no Hero Academia and most recently that Sk8 the Infinity anime. Since Bones acquired the rights to animate Mob, animation quality on BnHA has gone steady downhill because the studio does not have enough manpower to support both titles equally. It's gotten even worse for BnHA because Bones is also doing original movies, taking away even more highprofile animators from the seasons to focus on pumping out movies (I believe they get paid better for this though because the studio ks getting a bigger paycut for the movies as well). And as for Sk8 the infinity, they had to drop a recap episode right before the finale because of lacking manpower and time constraints.
There's countless other examples for this though. WIT, the studio behind the first 3 seasons of Attack on Titan, had to drop the fourth season because they couldn't pump out another high quality season in a mere year because of exhausted workers and obvious manpower shortness. Mappa, the studio that picked up Attack on Titan for season 4, also couldn't deliver the quality they wanted because of time and manpower constraints, which also lead to the one year long delay between the first and second half of the season. Wonder Egg Priority is another example where time and man power constraints not only lead to degrading quality from episode to episode, an out-of-nowhere recap episode, but also a massive delay of the last episode for a few months to finish the anime. Studio White Fox also had manpower problems when they developed Mushoku Tensei and Re:Zero simultaneously, leading to Re:Zero awkward animation quality when compared to Mushoku Tensei.
Like i said there's even more examples, but I want to highlight this blog post from sakugabooru which goes into detail on what goes wrong with anime production right now, it's long but a good read if you really care for the medium.
blog.sakugabooru.com/2021/03/13/tv-anime-a-deadly-landscape-even-for-high-profile-productions/
"There is no perfect pasta sauce, only perfect pasta sauces."
-Howard Moskowitz, psychophysicist and market research specialist.
One of the first things you learn in any writing class is, “Know your audience.” You need to know who you’re writing for, so that you can tailor your work to be the best possible experience for that group. Different audiences have different interests, preferences, and conventions as to what good writing is. It baffles me that so many writers now think that it’s suddenly, magically possible to create a work that transcends all of those boundaries and appeals to everyone (or at least everyone that they think matters). They don’t just hope that there will be audience bleed-over, like most writers do, they _expect_ it, all while writing in such a niche bubble that they can’t possible reach this goal. This is what happens when a bunch of self-important “writers” think that they’re too good for the basics.
Also, apparently, pasta enthusiast.
Top Ten Places I didn't expect to find somebody I am subbed to -- number 5
@@kentlindal5422 Actually the pasta sauce example comes from the fact that he was paid to do product research for Prego when he came to that conclusion. I don't know if he actually is a pasta enthusiast or not.
And here we have: A brony understanding that different things appeal to different audiences.
Just in case anyone still needed confirmation that recognising different audiences is *_not_* about keeping people out of fandoms or claiming media for a gender.
"'If you don't like my politics, don't buy my book.' And then we didn't." I absolutely LOST it! ROFLMBO
my asian father told me that the main difference he noticed between eastern and western life is that life here in America, is too easy. Here people strive for comfort rather than discipline, their environment changes but they don't. Then you end up with children managing businesses, that's why Americans have that stereotypical view of Asians being smart, it's children who never grew up looking at a grown hardworking adult.
That's true as an Asian you don't get an easy life from the get go when things are expensive you don't complain you do with what you have
Work smarter, not harder. It's the whole reason for the reliefs we have in this day and age.
As an Asian, 100% agreed. You can bitch about the powers that be giving woe is you a shitty life all you want, but at the end of the day you will always HAVE a shitty life unless you can get off your ass and do the hard work to make it happen. That's not to say that we should just shut up when the system legitimately sucks, but at the end of the day if someone wants to change ANYTHING they have to work hard for it not just cry about it.
comics: Trying hard to potray feminine power
Jujutsu Kaisen: Doesn't need to tryhard in order to show how badass Nobara is
Yup
Yup
She's the first female character that I call queen genuinely. She's just awesome. I don't even think she's attractive, I call her queen bc she's that fucking awesome
In fact, that whole conversation Nobara had with Nishimiya was a direct F U to all the woke bs!!
maki*
To quote a wise Light Novel writer "If you got 100 people in a room and only HALF of them like your work and the other half hates you, don't focus on trying to get the haters on your side. Focus on your audience and create something good that you are happy with for THAT audience, forget the haters"
I'm paraphrasing of course.
Oh I think I know who this madman of a Light Novel Writer is XD
@@nekokoishi legend
That fox is worthy of admiration.
Oh I know who said that. I watched the interview. He is extremely based.
I might be a dumb dumb here but who said that? It sounds so familiar it's on the tip of my tongue lol
The best thing about shonen manga is, it often has both physical AND emotional/social conflicts. You get to see the cool, mindblowing fighting scenes, PLUS the devastating emotional conflict. If there's romance in it, it's usually great too. Even as a girl, it's always my go-to.
Hence why L-Devil's take on 'Manga and Comics are for Boys mainly! Dont At Me!' is stupid.
Endeavor's character development in BNHA is sooooo fucking good, the guy was a piece of shit but his journey towards his redemption was so amazing
It is great to see romance unless it's harem, that's just a big fat no for me. Personally i would love it if the shounen focuses on the fact that it's shounen than giving extra focus on the romance but i do agree most of them tackle the romance pretty good.
I unironically cried when Brook's backstory was revealed. I love the funny skeleton man
@@slevinchannel7589 I was looking for something like this. Honestly i was with him the entire video til' he got to that statement. Going into dna and like hermones and shit to say girls should enjoy one type of media while boys should enjoy the other is fucking dumb. The human mind is too complicated to have such a simple answer, just let people like what they like man.
Hirohiko Araki is the pinnacle of a fictional author in the modern age. He creates art. DC and Marvel say they make art.
Id say Miura did a better job
@@AxenfonKlatismrek araki, miura, and murata(OPM) are kings of manga
@@d4clovetrain900 could we add oda in there as well? even just the mystery of one piece itself has been so masterfully crafted that fans have spent literal years on making a single theory just to try to find that answer, not to mention how his art style provides so much room for expression of all types. he's a master of making emotional, comedic, grand, epic and tragic scenes with so much ease that i can rarely keep my eyes off of what's happening on the pages
@@danielrosa9502 one piece is the friends and adventure along the way. Boom mystery solved
@@d4clovetrain900 well oda already confirmed long ago that the one piece is actually something you can physically touch, it's been given huge in-universe importance and we've actually met characters that have seen the one piece itself. i'm not sure if you were joking or not but i have as much respect for oda as i do for the three mangaka you listed 👍
The thing is, Japan's Manga Industry is Cut-throat MERITOCRATIC. It doesn't care who you are, it only cares on what you can offer. Even a nobody will be held on a pedestal if he prove his worth with either their story, or art, while even a veteran will have his work get stopped serialization if it was mediocre and has minimal appeal. Its not that all of manga is of high quality, its just that only the highest of quality gets to survive. Unlike in the west, where they fear of cutting mediocre content in fear of getting accused an 'ist-o-phobe in social media. 😒
That's what Araki mentions in his book. Being published the first time means they're giving you a shot. Don't mess it up lol. Then you have to earn your way back into the spotlight every single time. He said even veterans could be rejected if their work wasn't good enough.
This happened with Bleach as I recall.
The tragedy is that some pretty amazing manga series get canceled and shoved out with a truncated ending simply because they didn't meet the threshold. And as a result many series just repeat the same narratives & character archetypes over and over and over and over because they're "what sell." It's better than woke nonsense, but it also means a lot of gems get thrown out with the crap.
@@Awakeandalive1 those ideas simply became: 1) Seinen, or 2) Light novel. I didn't say Japan's way of thing is 100% good. All i did is explain why it seemingly WokeProof.
@@Awakeandalive1 Shonen manga is formulaic. I find seinen manga is far more interesting and varied, but that's because I, personally, outgrew the genre years ago. I think a lot of people do that without realizing it, hell I didn't for years, but upon discovering the world of manga aimed more at adults, I was able to reignite my passion for the medium.
Western Comics: I'm going to show diversity with a bi-black woman as the lead.
Me: What's her character?
Manga: I'm going to make golf interesting.
Me: Tell me more.
Manga: Hey kids wanna see a story about making bread?
Me: Hell yeah I do!!
@@RivanEXT99 while i was at the bar with my friend and we joked saying "I am sure there is a manga about playing pole"
im not into sports but manga made me interested in fucking american football! and im not even american
also manga : here diving manga....!!
me : where diving part...?
I've literally never watched or played golf myself but I would binge a golf anime. That's how good anime and manga can be.
American comic writers/artists be like "Men HATE women!"
Meanwhile...
"Oh, that's a cute girl, lemme see what this manga is about."
I mean, most of my favorite fictional characters are female, and most of those are from manga.
OK, but was anything wrong with MCU Black Widow ? I'd say she was pretty awesome. Real shame Endgame happened.
I'd like to see what comic you're reading that's supposedly spewing that because I have yet to find it. I'm convinced you people found an alternate dimension where you're finding all these man hating and diversity forcing comics and media because quite frankly, the comics today aren't different from the comics a decade ago. Only difference is maybe 30 of the output isn't straight or cis anymore.
@@kurodoodle4876 I never claimed it was the comics themselves, but rather the people behind them. Time and time again we've seen people in the western comic industry and even the larger western fiction (games, cartoons, etc.) industry who have just completely hated on men for no reason.
You look at the Twitter accounts for these people and they're shouting "Death to all men," "All men are sexist," shit like that, constantly. And since you mentioned not knowing about any diversity forcing comments, how about Marvel's "New Warriors," which was immediately called out for it's horrible forced diversity, or things like "I Am Not Starfire" which has a plus sized LGBT female self-insert lead, which by the very nature of it being a self-insert is forced. The comics industry makes characters a different race, gender, or sexuality, not because it would switch up a tired formula, but because they want to earn points with those groups by going "hey look, this character is just like you, buy our shit!"
I mean, as I mentioned in my first comment, some of my favorite fictional characters are women, and some of them are LGBT. I have nothing against representation and diversity, if it's done right. A lot of the time, it doesn't add anything to the story or characters, it's just there to pander to a certain demographic.
If they can do it right, there's no problem, however, they almost never do because they'd rather try to squeeze out an extra few dollars from other demographics than make an actually good and compelling story.
@@alexursu4403 the only thing wrong with Black Widow is her movie, where they shat all over her character and sidelined her for her replacement.
@@blacklivesorblackvotes2985 There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
This is what I love about Manga versus Comics, it's easy to find Volume one and start from the beginning of a story you've never read. In comics you really have to dig just to find the older comics and start from the beginning and even then it's not easy finding all of the issues leaving a blank. With Manga I've never had trouble finding the next chapter or starting from the beginning.
Not to burst your bubble or anything but this is because Comics and Manga have completely different layouts. Manga usually only tells one story (I'm saying usually because I'm not aware of any spinoffs of any manga) whilst comics have stories retold, reset, restarted. IMO and I think most people can agree but you read comics because of the team or character. Corporate comics such as Marvel & DC have thousands of characters and their own stories to tell, while manga is essentially just one big story with their characters in it. For example, I like Deadpool and hes my favorite marvel character, Have I read every one of his comics start to finish? No. Comics are like oneshots, there are multiple stories and they don't all necessarily align with eachother. You just have to find something you care about within them.
@@176gumi doesn't matter what the layout is, this is an ease of access issue. As someone who likes to start from the beginning of a story I'd like to start from the very first issues and travel through the stories until it reaches the retelling then decide if I want to read that retelling. But Comics do not make it easy at all to do that where as manga is so easy to find the first chapter and start. Yes Comics are more complicated, but that has nothing to do with how available the older issues are. If I see a character or team I like I want to see their story from the beginning, I hate starting in the middle or the 2nd, 3rd, 4th retelling. I did eventually find some of the earliest comics on Marvels site but they do have missing issues, it's been a ew years since then I don't know if they've fixed it or not but it's too annoying to sort out so I'm done with western comics.
comics are based on issue to issue storytelling, where you need context, which may or may not still be avaliable. Manga generally has more pages per book, making it easier to find missing chapters, and makes it easier for someone, who just picked up a random volume, to understand the basic plot and what the story is about.
@@phantoknight34if a comic has the number 1 on it, you could read it without context. Why do you think Spider-Man has so many storyline’s and universes. You can see this in how despite Scott pilgrim has three very different adaptions, you don’t really need much context to enjoy all of them. Comics do not require much context except what their origin story is but this can be debated because they aren’t really brought up unless the story unless the story is based around it. The problem with comics is that marketing tends to show the diversity rather than the actual story. I know it isn’t a comic but Elemental was great but it was marketed as a typical woke movie about racism.
The best part is that Manga does strong female characters better than the west! Charaters like Nobura from jujutsu kaisen or Noelle from Balck clover are amazingly written and earn their strength,making them much more compelling than the "Girl Power" characters we have over here in the west
So manga are woke too but just better written… so issue is simply *writing 🤷
@@jamarmorisseau7836 The term "woke" nowdays means psychicaly ill. Nothing more. So i wouldnt say that people that are realistic are woke.
another one would be jolyne kujo from jojo
Out of all the current Western characters written so far please tell me that x-23 is at least decently written. I am more of a movies guy I leave the reading thing to the Manga Industry but hell at least in the movies X-23 seems like a Worthy successor of Logan
Noelle's character development was what made her a better character! American comics would have made her an "I don't need no man" character who was perfect and emotionally void from the beginning, but the mangaka made her change and develop into the great magic knight she is now!
The fun thing is, the biggest reason why Manga outpaces comics is indeed diversity. The most important type of diversity for the industry:
diversity of **content**. The comics industry is incredibly limited, while with manga we have Shonen, Shoujo, Seinen, mysteries, horrors, actions, fantasies, and it even acts as a gateway to the Light Novel industry as well!
No joke, about to read the Light Novel of Full Metal Panic after reading the manga
And in a way you see DC catching this but just in the worst way possible, they try to make graphic novels but using characters others don't care about, however when they made a graphic novel about a brand new character they created for that graphic novel it sold well, they are also trying to pander to the Tumblr crowd with their webtoon which as much as I don't want to admit it, I think will eventually do better then a lot of their current comics
seriously... Like theyve fridged so many popular comic genres. Horror Cowboys History Romance High Concept. Manga never threw women under the bus out of stupid selfish need to pander to demographics... They just invent new genres. I might not agree with this video.
The height of creativity of the golden age... they began to add female characters to appeal to women. So at these times they had success they were courting an audience. Instead of just lazer focusing on demographics.
Comics used to be diverse too, extremely so, but now it's all superheroes and barely anything else. Where's the Archies, the Walking Reads and the Tales of Astonishing?
@@elizabethlee2136 Never threw women under the bus to appeal to demographics? The same medium that's full of gratuitous and absolutely unnecessary fanservice shots, trophy waifus and such?
Are you kidding me?
Fucking hell, I like manga as any other dude, but don't pretend it's not full of trash with the occasional gold sometimes, just like all media.
I do believe, in most cases, people forget what equality actually means. It is everyone’s unique needs being met, as different and varied as each individual. Manga has something for everyone, that is equal. American comics want everyone to read the same thing, that is not equal.
It feels as though they are metaphorically burning our books, and erasing our history. There is nothing but the party, the party is always right.
This take is a bit biased, American comics do have things for everyone, it's not just the corporate superheros that are all what comics are.
Reminds me of Dostoyevsky's book Demons, where there's nothing except "the common cause" that everyone talks about but everyone is just going along with it.
@@176gumi show me then, show me comics about fishing or golf. FULL GREAT STORY WITH SO MUCH DETAIL THAT FIT TO REAL LIFE ONLY ABOUT FISHING/GOLF/VOLLEY/DIVING/MARTIAL ARTS/SWIMMING. If you can't find one then, this take is not biased. just show me story that make who's doing martial art saying "ohhhhh this shit is so fcking relatable"
@@176gumithere might be other stuffs out there in the American comic book scene, but for the general populace, the thing that comes to your mind when you heard 'American comics' are probably the superheroes from Marvel or DC right? Meanwhile when someone says 'manga', chances are you're not just gonna think about 1 or 2 series or companies, but also their many kinds of genres, like you're not gonna think that there's only action/superheroes in it, but there are some cutesy stuffs, weird ones, supernatural ones, etc. I know that there are many kinds of comics in America too, but the ones I know are mostly web series that indie creators made and posted in a non-american platform like Webtoon or Tapas. I don't think I know any that matches Marvel and DC's popularity if we're talking abt American comics
I really do not think that Tolkien, or Martin, or even Rowling wrote for a target group. I think they wrote about things that they wanted to create. They just wrote stuff that they liked and other people liked it too.
Well ther is a target. Fantasy. Thats a certain geoupnof people who like imagination.
If it was horror, etc.. it wouldn't have been the same.
It's funny how people talking about "diversity" see everyone the same.
Right? It's REALLY freaking insulting.
And they have this term called "coding", where they conclude that this non-human character has "traits" of a certain demographic, therefore he/she is part of that demographic. An example of this is Piccolo being "coded black". But they base these traits on stereotypes; it's like saying that "All black people act the same, and this character acts like a black person therefore he's black."
They’re so blind to their dogma that they don’t even realize (or care in some cases) that they’re stereotyping people.
Man Reading Sports Manga: "This sport looks awesome, maybe I'll give it a try."
Woman Reading Sports Manga: "How many of these guys are f**king each other?"
@@mariokarter13 A good example of that is Slam Dunk vs Free.
I once read Jiro Taniguchi's The Walking Man. It's a collection of short stories about a man who walks. He walks home from work. He walks to the grocery store. He walks along the riverbank. He takes his dog for a walk. Just walking. Nearly completely silent and devoid of dialogue. It's FASCINATING! I highly recommend it.
You *know* manga tops comics when a manga about *literally walking* is better than an American comic, haha
@@xiaolin867 fr 😂😂😂
@@xiaolin867 Japan just makes things interesting. Its like the lore meme, uninteresting things made interesting.
This sounds like something I’d like
@@nitsu2947 i think its more like modern USA comic creator only make things for virtue signalling rather than you know, making a good story
As a Japanese manga fan, I would like to see manga creation activities flourish in other countries. If manga artists can make a living from their country's own manga magazines, I think that other countries will be able to create content that is as good as Japan. It seems interesting to read manga with a foreign culture background. France and America have their own manga culture, so I think they are countries with great potential.
Wish Brazil also had.
Thou there is some Mangakas who aren't japanese, but if it is not from japan, then they are not manga, they are just comics, even if the style matches.
America: **Desperately tries to make the most compelling story only to fail because of bad writing and political influence**
Japan **Makes a Manga about golf and somehow makes it good**
@@lillyreilly4659 I don't think censorship is as much of a problem to begin with. Yes, it does affect things, but never really to the point of being the main one. Manga, or any eastern graphic novels in general, also have a lot of censorship in them, yet they still manage to produce good, or heck, better stories.
For example, one of the largest manga publishers is Shueisha , a company infamous for immediate canceling of works they don't approve of. Even works that are in the middle of on-going arcs, if Shueisha doesn't like it, you better pray that they spare you for a week or two. And it's not like the Japanese audience approves of this shitty behaviour as well, no, they hate it just as much as we do. Shueisha just doesn't give a fuck.
Political influence destroy comic, comic just for fun and the producer don't know how to make it fun for they reader around the world.
Feminism, LGBTQ , WOKE, throw them at the garbage, fun don't eat this.
Exactly mangaka. Aren’t trying to force stuff down your throat. And can just make a fluent and good story. Mangaka can literally make a god like story about people who want a fruit. Mangaka can literally make a story about people in a horse race. Mangaka can literally make a compelling story out of anything. While in America it’s all just the same woke bs, about rights and privilege.
I think it's more because manga artists are more independent they create their own strories and own world
When there is originality and creativity
Product will be much more intriguing
Mostly all comics artists become part of comics universes like marvel or dc
Try Watchmen graphic novel
One of the best
The story isn't related to 1000 different universe and superheroes but rather tell it's own story
Comic is boring to me because it has no ending you know if superman die he will come back
Batman who has no power is still fighting even though character was created in 1950s
Imagine if kira and L were milked like batman no one would call Death note a masterpiece
Fun fact: only successful manga get translated to English. I like to think that's Japans greatest shield against things like Gotham High, I'm Not Starfire, etc.
official yes, rest made by fandom (if had any)
It's not shield but quality born from quantity
like battle royal but bigger case
If that were true then kingdom or Beelzebub would have an English translations
Lots of good series still having no official release, and lots of bad series that have one
So correct me if I’m wrong, it would be like if American comic publishers only translated stuff like Infinity Gauntlet, or Batman the Long Halloween?
Idk about that. Jojo is very popular in Japan for a long time but the only part translated in English before the 2012 anime was ONLY part 3. Most likely due to copyright issues.
There's also Medaka Box, Kenichi, etc
@@Bolbi145 not really.true. there is a lot of trash being translated now. Only the trash is still better
These days.
Seeing 4 buff guys, ordering Ice tea in Bar On Egypt is more interesting than any other new comic book
Is that a Jojo reference
@@rogue8507 That is indeed, a mudafuckin Jojo reference.
@@dynamight_chaos-king I'm sorry but...
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@@revanhaq247 Ah yes, *komedi*
Jojo Parts 2 and 3 reference
I can't help but say that this is a job well done going into depth on each perspective when it comes to this controversial topic.
Ayy, finally a checkmark, congrats
Yo didn't expect to see you here.
It really does. I watched to the end and I found myself agreeing even though I was disagreeing at first.
@@edcaous Can I ask what were you disagreeing with?
You probably won't see this comment but can I ask what your view is on this? He personally still feels too biased to me
It's funny because they would make an anime like Kill La Kill that feminists would probably immediately call sexist when it's actually very "girl power-based" with more likable and well-developed and fleshed out female characters than the woke comics and has better LGBTQ undertones as well.
Yup. I didn’t even realize myself that apparently it is hinted that Mako and Ryuko are into each other. A video pointed it out. I just thought they were good friends.
@@co7769 Yeah ik a lot of people interpret that way, they could be either or really
@@DaDualityofMan and also the main character being a tomboy with a super sexy outfit that's gets very lewd.
Pretty much
She isn't a tomboy she is a Sukeban.
Woke Comics: Look, our female characters are lesbians, black, bla bla bla diversity and now read our comics!
Manga: Look, our female characters have interesting stories.
Well not that much ,it’s still sexist over there
@@DanielMartinez-xz8nj well, it's gotten better, even in Shounen. Female characters had been handled really poorly in shounen in the past (like Death Note) but now, it's gotten A LOT better. For example Jujutsu Kaisen's female characters.
@@sujal4078 true.
Lots of anime have badass female character like Attack on Titan, Jujutsu Kaisen, Chainsaw man, and Kaiju no 8
@@jadeorbigoso5212 dont forget yakuza reincarnation. basically an old man died reincarnated as a girl and kick ass in the other world. diversity alright
West Gender Equality: Change existing male character into female.
East Gender Equality: Girl gets ass kicked.
*Kazuma approved this*
Kazuma would be proud 🤧
Kazuma
i guess kazume is the biggest proponent of gender equality
@@albioncia Equal rights, equal fights.
Equal opportunity without equal responsibility and consequence is chauvinistic and disrespectful.
This is why I quit comic books and actually am getting into Anime and now immersed into the world of D&D. No politics, no agendas. Just good storytelling
Goblin Slayer and Konosuba are basically two very different animated D&D campaigns. I recommend both shows if you haven't seen em.
They'll soon get there. Girl only dungeons or something.
Ain't no way you just said anime is not political
@@ozziemodeus7341 ain't no way you're saying anime is political bro I'm an American yet I ain't even think this 😆
Ain't no way you just said anime has no agendas.
I love that manga is so diverse that my favorite manga is Monster (a story of a brilliant surgeon embarking on a journey to kill a boy he saved, but was revealed to be evil incarnate) while my best friend's favorite manga is Monster Musume (an ecchi harem fantasy of a boy with several buxom monster girls vying for his affection), and yet we still feel a sense of camaraderie when discussing manga.
This is all you need to know:
Trump in DC: orange man bad
Trump in death note (yes this is real): Orange man is your average president who's only the antagonist because his goals clash with the main character's.
Yup. Read that one. It was pretty awesome, actually. Very clever
Trump in Death Note? Is that a new Death Note manga?
@@animeking1357 There was a Death Note sequel oneshot chapter released last year where a new character picks up Ryuk's death note and who conducts a new plan using it. And yes, Trump does show up there.
Lol I was laughing so hard when I saw that Trump was in Death Note.
@@Skallva holy shit no way.
I have a great quote for this: "I want to be entertained not lectured."
The fun thing is, there's a lot of manga that do that by telling you a compelling story so the message feels organic
@@cristianrios8804 exactly, lectures and moral lessons directed to the reader/watcher is great if the way its portrayed is great. you can't just throw unnecessary and irrelevant black and gay people into the mix and expect people would "learn to think and care about POCs and LGBTQ, as they should be represented and not be forgotten"
Then just stop paying attention because I guarantee you half of your favorite shit is very political
hell my favorite anime and manga are because are Trigun and full metal
@@fistpump64 lmao nice bait you got there, my favorite so far is mob psycho 100
@@Deathshot981 mob is great show. also the smile cult mob destroys and the show mocks is a real organization in japan thats a very small thing but theirs an example. japan has politics thier art has politics.
As a girl, what I look for in a story is interesting and well-developed characters, deep philosophical undertones, action and adventure, and strong world building, but that’s what I like. Not everyone has to have the same tastes! I love the variety manga presents, because it makes it easier for me to find the stuff I enjoy!
May I interest you in NieR: Automata? Cause, that game checks every box you mentioned, even if not a manga, but rather a game.
There's a manwha not (not a manga) that i'd like to recommend it's called Omniscent's Reader's Veiwpoint it's AMAZING
There a really good manga you probably haven’t heard of called jojo’s. It has great writing ( mainly part 7 and 8)
One major factor is the fact that you pick up a manga on volume 1 and know to just pick up the next volume and you won’t get lost.
Whereas comics you need to read multiple comics that may not even be part of the comic line you picked up to even understand anything.
It’s a big factor I feel
And here's the thing about Manga/Anime, while it is separated into Genres, it doesn't stop people from enjoying whatever they want. No one is standing at the book store barring young men from reading Card Captor Sakura and no one is barring young women from reading One Punch Man. The Comic industry just needs to make comics in separate genres and let the people choose instead of transforming existing franchises to their needs.
Not to mention, if a man buy a BL, the women probably thinking "One of us! One of us!" instead belittle them 😂
Fudanshi is rare, but they exist. Heck, I remember watching anime about fudanshin
@@cestalia meanwhile if a man hold different political views bought a certain comic, the woman would instead post hate thread on twitter about something something I read the same thing as someone I don't like I'm suffering trauma and I'm sad. Same goes to the opposite.
@@cestalia in asia rhey are not rare most girls in my school read bl
@@teeno4725 fudanshi is boy that like bl story, you mistook it with fujoshi, girl that like bl. of course fujoshi is more common than fudanshi everywhere not only in Asia
@@MunchMagicianthat's true. I know some guys who read bl casually
One of my favorite manga is about an ex-yakuza househusband that does his best with whatever everyday mundane life activity he does and makes it epic and cool.
I'm interested. Sauce?
@@brunnokamei9623 The way of the househusband.
Tatsu is up there with Speedwagon as best waifu. No one can change my mind.
ngl that sounds kinda like yakuza
@@iputapipebombintoyourmailb6210 you mean yakuza the game? if so, yes... kinda?
I love that manga can LITERALLY be about anything and they will find an audience because they are written by an individual who wants to tell a specific story.
The funniest thing about how Japan markets their manga, is that even though they are marketed for specific age/gender demographics, there's a lot of diversity within those fanbases as well. Demon slayer and mha have the same amount of female readers as men, and many shoujo romances have a lot of male readers as well. There's no discrimination or ostracizing. And that's what's great about manga. The authors make their visions clear, and give you the choice to read what u want
I personally as a man actually enjoy Shoujo. While I do prefer shonen, I find that Shoujo takes a deeper dive into psychology of it's characters which I personally enjoy.
They keep citing the "Demon Slayer is outselling all American comics" because they don't want to talk about the bigger problem. The next highest selling manga (I think it's JujutsuKaisen if I'm not mistaken) is ALMOST outselling the entire industry. Meaning that the top ten manga's are annihilating the American comic industry and so on. It's easier to praise the one manga then admit the truth no?
Chainsaw Man*. It doesn't have a anime adaptation yet either
jujutsu kaizen is a part of a negative trend in anime of a mediocre show getting hyped then losing all of its readerships after the fast-food media binge ends, now Toyko revengers is the new "hot" thing selling well. And, is probably going to get replaced the moment chainsaw man comes out and all the casuals jump to an actually good manga.
jujutsu kaizen isn't even selling better than Jojo or my hero, it's fallen to nothing numbers and got replaced by the next "hype" manga.
edit: Since people don't seem to get it I'm basing this off the august 2021 sales chart which places "jujutsu kaizen" under "my hero" and "Tokyo revengers" it's sales by comparison to it's 2020 sales are heavily declined showing a downward trek, a lot of it's sales came from from what I understand pandemic relief money and happened all at once in a massive burst in the same way most anime do. but it's clear it's eventually going to downward spiral as time goes on the same way fire force and black clover did over the years or "negative trend" and then the next "master piece in the making" will come along and people will forget it exists. it currently seems to be living off it's own hype but that's not really sustainable.
it's a cycle a lot of long time anime fans like my self noticed and are sick of, these mainstream casuals watch a mediocre anime then bail on it to the next one and the next one leaving the industry in a perpetual state of chasing trends and leaving original concepts from good manga in the dust.
Not just that Demon Slayer boosted the Manga industry to the point where multiple series are selling over a million per volume. Meanwhile a popular comic does nothing to promote the industry at large.
chronic joker, I absolutely agree.
Yea these W0ke writters are perversing that phrase tho... They think their "audience" is the w0ke crowd and are focusing on them and the Comic fans are actually the "haters".
Manga can make even a simple girl without superpowers into an awesome main heroine by giving her PERSONALITY instead of a set of mental dysfunctions.
Literally slice of life manga.
I still remember when I was shut inside during a snowstorm night in Hokkaido. Homesick and shivering, I picked up a random manga in my host family's house, then sat bawling at 2am to the story of a disfigured boy left to die by his parents, and a sentient doll who simply wanted to sing lullabies to humans (if only they'd stop trying to kill her on sight). All alone in the crumbling ruins of a city, the 'monsters' found happiness in each other then, as the boy inevitably aged while the doll does not, they promised the boy would turn off the doll when he dies.
That's the power of manga > < !
(It's D.Gray-Man, btw. It's the series that sparked my interest in manga/anime, and I'm a big fan to this day.)
Unfortunate that the author is in poor health and its frequently on hiatus. Loved what I've seen of it though.
Wha- D.Gray-Man?? I don't remember the story being that tragic😭😭
Thinking about the Year 24 Group, literally a group of female mangakas who managed to redefined the whole shojo genre making it as important as shonen with well selling stories that featured impossible beautiful art and stories with the exact type of diversity here the Literature Devil is speaking of.
Loki, bisexual? Do they have ANY idea how reductive that was? In Norse Mythology the Prose Eda Loki's sexuality can best be described as "Anything that Moves." Loki has shapeshifted into hundreds of different mortal women leaving behind hundreds of unnamed demigods on Mid-Gard. He has turned himself into a mare, only to be mated with a stallion resulting in him/her/it giving birth to Odin's Eight Legged Super Horse. He is the father of the giant wolf in Asgard, and not the stepbrother but the FATHER of Hela, and she was HONORABLY given power over Norse Hel, the land of the dead to prevent chaos to spread throughout Yggdrasil by keeping the dead in check. Loki even though he was prophesized to eventually cause Ragnarok he was still allowed in Valhalla and was the patron god of deceptive warfare and Norse assassins. (Yes Norse warriors did understand stealth and dagger welding scouts were sent in first in the cover of night to weaken defenses before invading a port city or town.)
Yep in the norse edda itself its agnowledged lokiis that, and not described as male, as opposed to thor in drag. He was also some years a milkmaid with iunknown number of children, to his children death godess hel, who is neutral, fenrir, who got mistreated and was good till then, and the snake, He also gave himsel birth to odin steed.
Odin is pretty feminine too becoming a woman to learn womenly magic anomg other apearences Which he gets roasted that time.
Eh, I would agree if we were talking about the original mythology, because I too think trying to give human aspects such as sexuality to a divine being, something superior to a human, seems too simple... but it's an adaptation. It's Marvel's Loki. It's a reimagination, just like Clueless did with Jane Austen's Emma., or Netflix Bridgerton with the book, or what Netflix (sadly) did with Death Note, and it doesn't need to be at all accurate.
I don’t want to sound like a know it all when I say this I swear
But I’m a Norse pagan I have been for about 10 years and one of my favorite comics to read when I was a kid was Thor I was always enraptured by the god and his adventures as a kid especially because of my Scandinavian heritage that I didn’t see the comics as an insult to my faith even after I became a pagan I still loved it because the old writers did their homework and showed millions of people the beliefs of pagans like myself even if they changed it at times or exaggerated I didn’t mind because they still had respect for it
Then Disney bought marvel and absolutly shit all over Thor Asgard and everyone else and made the god Thor
A literal breathing fucking god in that universe a fucking joke and then the only redefining part at times being Loki but then absolutly shit all over his character and everything else is fucking infuriating to the point when they turned Thor into the big Lebowski I groaned because the Thor I know in the comics that I know and love and the actual Thor I know would be devastate by letting half the universe die on his account but he would take that anger and regret and turn it into a never ending quest for fighting the wrong thanks committed and for failing to stop him not sit down cry get fat and get drunk
So in all marvel and Disney can burn for all I care
@@codybrox4693 Disney is like an idiot who doesn't understand what their dealing with. They'll screw up Blade, The Fantastic 4, X-Men and Deadpool.
*Prophesied
the interesting thing about shoujo and shounen is that popular series in both genres tend to have big audience that is equally split between both genders, where lots of men actually read shoujo (example: fruits basket), and a lot of girls actually read/watch shounen (attack on titan, one punch man, heroaca, hxh, mob psycho, etc) simply because the stories are so good that people want to read them even if they aren't interested in the genre
Also, romance in shounen ex: nisekoi, rent a gf
I'm male and the majority of manga i've read were slice-of-life or romance manga. I somehow never got into american comics (i'm not american) because the overall stories weren'T appealing to me.
@@MinqApoc Well there are a lot of good comics being released right now. Just not Dc/marvel bullshit. Try something from Image comics
My bf introduced me to Horimiya, and now we're both watching the anime. He's a sucker for romance manga and light novels, while I'm more invested in shounen like KnY, and we both find Isekai awesome.
@@jans.g6033 anime? That awful thing that looks like it was drawn by a 12yo?
Western Comics : Makes everyone Gay, Change Gender, Change Race.
Manga: Makes you Cry over a Ship, Makes you cry over a Queer, makes you cry over a teenagers in school uniforms.
Going Merry… Bon clay!
Comics: It's about this edgy goth teen and that's pretty much it
Manga: A girl forgotten by the gods due to that her family abandons her. Running away she meets a slime who is weak as her and they set on a journey together overcoming obstacles and gaining friends along the way.
I manage a warehouse where everyone manually lift heavy boxes and stacks them all day long in a hot building. I asked for 12 guys from a temp agency and she emailed me back on that I didn't mention females. I corrected her by being specific because I KNEW she was pulling some kind of roundabout sexist angle and asked her, can you get me 12 people that can work long hours lifting 60 lbs boxes all day without help if necessary and she ended up sending me 12 guys...as per my original request. I was not looking for skinny people and a lot of women of average build cannot handle heavy shit. Average men will
I work in the same kind of job. We have exactly one female on our shift, and she can hold her own! But she is pretty unique.
@@APsychicMonkey yes and that's the point. Not all woman can do heavy lifting but a lot of men can
sociolinguistically speaking, "guys" have been used to mean men and women (specially when young people are involved). If you say "You guys need to clean the trash." or "Guys gather around." and about 50% are women/girls, you can be refeing to both males and females. I don't know this has changed in the last 5 years, but it was the case before.
@@icarue993 But to "some people", they wanna push the gender equality angle on jobs that are meant for "people" with specific physical traits
@@Excalibur01 They just want to argue semantics. Words have always being defined by their use (maybe it will change, but I doubt it). Nerds use to be derrogatory, nerds owns it, now it a good word; same with alomst anything else. You don't worry about the definition of nerd, just the use.
Manga is whatever you want. Comic books nowadays is *this* or *that*.
Manga :
- You want to see a guy turn into a sword? You got it!
- You want to see a guy that wants to be a pirate king forever? You got it!
- You want to be the very best like no one ever was? You got it!
- You want to see a demon lord that works in a burguer store? You know we got ya babe!
- What? You wanna see a guy that turns into a little girl magician? How about little girls that turn into mountains of musles that are also magicians? WE GOT YOU!
Manga literally makes thousands of stories that feel the same and yet all different. Comic books are all different and yet all the same stories.
Anime and manga make excellent use of their medium and the fact that there is literally no budget limitations on them in terms of scale. An anime making a planet explode is easier than making boobs jiggle, so they use it to great effect. Comics just use the same characters over and over again
That last example got me, I need to look into that manga
'Comic books are all different and yet all the same stories'
I can tell you've read only superhero stories lmfao
Go read some actual great comics, e.g. Saga, Monstress
Manga:
-You want to see the main character turn into something you have never thought about before? Sure, we have main character that turn into a skeleton knight, a polar bear, a slime even a hot spring.
-You want to story about a world with diversity of race and species? Here something better, a fantasy story like lord of the ring but its about a bunch of guy go write review about brothel full of girls from any kind of species you can think of
(this example isnt manga but a manhua)
you want a story about cultivator from a world of murim fighting superhero and kick everyone ass you got it
It nearly doesnt matter what the concept is whether it'll be normal hobby or sports, some manga can turn a simple passion into a great story.
Im still malding about Finn's character, everyone was like "woah, is that an stormtrooper that becomes a jedi?" and had high hopes for the character, just to be what it ended being....
One of my favorite mangas of all time is "Yotsuba&!" where you're just literally watching the daily life of a 5-year old girl. Manga just makes something mundane feel so epic and worthwhile.
My favourite Slice Of Life manga. Its just so calming. The author and the composer of Azumanga Daioh OST make an album of Yotsuba&! OST. Even though there is no anime yet. I can imagine every single moment of whats happening in the manga just by listening to the OST. Its shows that manga really is interesting.
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Sounds almost like Rugrats and I mean that in a good way. Rugrats took the idea of toddlers/babies seeing(mostly) mundane stuff, but from their POV. Going to a gas station on the way to the Grand Canyon, Ice Cream Mt golf course, and Stew's robo toys.
Dude I remember buying 2 chapters of it. Yes it's just about daily life of a child. But the writer finds a way to make daily life looks fun
The best part is that Magical Girl animes and mangas are way more popular with men.
No joke, I will read those, and when they are well written I will cry like a baby. Seriously, the ending of MGLN had me skipping over to A's just to see how Fate's trial turned out.
Madoka Magica >>
Wandering Witch: The Journey of Elaina
Suffering magical girl
And why is no one mentioning Sailormoon eh?
The thing about manga diversity is that there are still a lot of male read shojo and female read shonen and seinen. But male wouldn't try to change shojo manga to make it more "manly" or females don't try to change shonen manga to make it more "girly". It's great as it is!
ah teared up a bit while reading the comments, anime and manga has come to mean so much in my 30 year long life. looking back they made my life so much more bearable and had lent so much strength to carry on, for that im forever grateful.
I don't know why, but that last bit hit me hard. As somebody who only just now finished the rough outline of his first book after 10 years--I know, please go easy on me--and who has worried costantly about whether or not he's good enough, the "Would you rather be unremarkable in front of a million people, or a rock star in front of a thousand?"
It's probably the best question I've ever heard to ask myself. Thanks for that. :)
Really glad you enjoyed the video! And good luck on your work!
Reminds me to this video: ua-cam.com/video/6BzCDVR-tr8/v-deo.html&ab_channel=larsmartinson
Do you have any advice for people to avoid spending more time than they want on their first book?
@@elpretender1357 do it like stephen king.
Vomit out words until you got hundreds of pages and then edit it down until its mediocore and let an editor improve the rest
@@razlad2523 lol
@@razlad2523 oh wow I could do that now
My conclusion after watching LD for a while:
People tend to like a work because of its good craftsmanship, and we analyse them in _pursuit of perfection._
We talk about what we like and dislike, because we hope that us ourselves or others will create a work that is even better in the future.
The "woke" industry on the other hand, because diversity and inclusion are concepts _"perfect"_ by their very nature, believe their work to be _already perfect._
Thus, they don't improve and hate criticism.
I could go on, but that's the gist of it!
I can definitely get behind that. There are glaring flaws I can identify in my favorite series. I love them *despite* that, but can still *talk about* those problems. If a fan tried to so analyze a "woke" series, they'd probably be labeled something nasty, *even if they were a fan of the work in question*.
That about sums it up, minus a smattering of nepotism. 'cause it's not just the story writing, they're also hiring people based on politics and identity.
And when you're hired because you're a well known lesbian or something (EG: Ruby Rose being hired for Batwoman), then why put any effort in? You can't be more of a lesbian, and that's what you're being judged on. Not acting talent. (Fun fact: Some Tumblr types Did harass Ruby Rose for not being gay enough. Because she's actually bisexual and the character is a lesbian.)
As far as they are concerned, yes, their comics ARE perfect, even if they sold zero comics, they still accomplished their goal of "furthering the cause".
Also manga: cancelled cheat slayer because of "parody" and "reason"
@@kasrkin100 a lot of stories are being axed, but that's alright, I know a certain mangaka that started off with a very lackluster concept, only to develop it further, which later becoming popular franchise to this day.
Bro this is the first time ever i like and subscribe before the video ends. amazing content, ridiculously accurate and grounded in facts, thanks for this, i really needed some metaphorical fresh air. Greetings from Perú.
Hey! Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for the support!
@@LiteratureDevil This video here is good but it also overlooks some stuff, so i feel the Urge to make
Disclaimers like
-Yeah, but its not "allegede": Under-Representation is totally a thing,
even Critical Drinker openly admits that, duh.
-"Watch the video Vailkabrium94
made about Girls supposedly graduating outta Cartoons' and rad the comments."
I think it speaks volumes how a manga that honored the traditional American comics outsold the actual modern American comic.
I think a huge problem with when looking at American comics is that people tend to look a super hero stories rather then actual graphic novels which can be absolute masterpieces but unfortunately get ignored.
people only see comics as superhero shit when it is a lot more then that but it’s just the most the popular thing for comics are superhero shit so it’s like what do you keep advertising?
I dunno any comicbook reader, even superhero genre lovers, should just skip Marvel DC modern bullshit, and read other comics, there is lot of good comics being released right now by smaller publishers like Image comics or Boom! studios.
I'd say Walking Dead is one of my favorite ones.
@@localhobo5362 I love reading smaller and indie companies shit it’s just fun to read especially IDW stuff
You mean, like Gotham High?
Western comics: *p o l i t i c s* and everyone being diverse for the sake of diversity with no story.
Manga/Light Novel: Story about a man who reincarnated as a *normal* yet sentient vending machine in a medival fantasy setting who explores the land with a girl.
Tell me which is much more interesting.
surprisingly i find the sentient vending machine more interesting for some reason
@@Payload82 funnily enough, there’s actually a manga like that
you know there's like politics in your manga too.... do you really not see anything political about stuff like one piece full metal and trigun
@@enjoe3837 WAIT WHAT! WHAT IS NAME OF THE MANGA?
@@fistpump64 there is but the good ones like OP use themes like racism and slavery to enhance its story using moral themes and not leaning into specific political views.
It's been such a long time I joyfully spent more than 10 minutes os UA-cam... Thank for these insights, congrats on the good work you've done.
I enjoy very few American comics: Monstress, Maus, Persopolis, and a few others. Why? Consistent and nice looking art, digestible story, and consistent good story telling and writing.
If I don’t like your art I don’t give your comic or manga a second look. If I give it a second look I look into the blurb or summary, I’d that doesn’t interest me then I don’t open it and read a page or two. If I open it and read a page or two it’s likely I may buy it or borrow it to read.
It all comes down to drawing the reader in by the cover and art, interesting story blurbs/summary, and good writing and storytelling.
The interesting part is while manga is divided into recommended genres, they’re not excluding anyone either. I’ve seen plenty of males interested in some magical girl series and some Shojo while seeing females be interested in Shonen. And the best part is with how they’re not trying to exclude people, is that rather manga creators typically like any support they get.
These days with modern Western comics, I get the distinct impression that the current writers are actively trying to push people away, not only based on the included politics, but also the shallow writing and attempts to appeal by basically going “WE HAVE THIS KIND OF CHARACTER, LOOK AT US!”
It’s why I’ve been a dedicated manga fan for decades now. Manga doesn’t try to push people away, it simply wants you to enjoy what’s being offered.
The good thing about shoujo genre is because they are different. So for guy that might feel like reading a romance story they get what they want and etc
One of my favorites shoujo/josei mangas is Chihayafuru
Funnily enough, the most common Shonen I saw girls being interested in was Jojo.
Yeah I’m almost certain that the audience of women that the woke comics want to reach are watching some type of shonen anime
Is that a walfa pfp?
Manga gives me what I want, Woke American Comics doesn't.
Keeping the audience mind is critical. Manga does that. Woke American creators actively insult its audience.
@@LiteratureDevil Exactly and I also enjoy French Comics.
I have yet to hear about a western comic where the protagonist is considered a monster by appearance or being alone yet is not
and in manga/asians comics? I can already think of 3, 2 of which hit a very specific nieches of mine i have a preference for
The time i got reincarnated as a slime
Im a spider so what? (I really adore spiders and in this manga the protagonist is one!)
Skeleton Soldier couldnt protect the dungeon (I LOVE necromancy as a concept in fiction and I almost always go for the necromancer in any videogame IF possible, btw, this is an asian comic, not a manga.)
but to be fair, i dont follow western comics at all
I Actually prefered to watch One piece as a preschooler over watching age appropriate western tv shows cause the story was soo much more interesting.
@@firebladeentertainment5739 , NightCrawler from X-Men comics, Blackheart from Ghost Rider comics, and Raven from Teen Titans comics are the only comic books where Demonic individuals suffers from prejudices of being born a Demonic person like in the Naruto One-Shot manga series, but you’re right if it were modern writers writing a series with Raven as the main leader of Teen Titans then they’d have Raven pegging Beast Boy; them making Raven a Mary-Sue, and them showing Raven either murdering the entire Teen Titans, or her being an edgy emo that hates on the entire Teen Titans cast.
@@TheAutistWhisperer have you read comic book called block 109
its like fallout and wolfenstein meets man in the high castle really good book i highly recommend you to read it
I want to say, i love your video style, face paced enough to put a lot of points in at once, but not so fast its incomprehensible
I’ve recently been reading a lot more French comics and highly recommend others do the same. If you ever want something other than American comics, a good substitution is Franco-Belgian comics. Those coupled with Japanese manga…. Hell yes
Hello, a question: could someone tell me the current state of the manga especially in the USA???
Could you recomend some french comic series? :) Always love an oppotunity to practice my french and I know they've got a lot of good stuff, but don't know where to go to get some recommendations.
@@FullMetalFeline radiant is French manga I believe and relatively good. I recommend animation wakfu too.
France comics being so good Close to japanese makes sense.
Whos is the 2 consumer of manga and animation on the world? Yes, France. Is clear that japanese manga and anime has left a Big Mark on France society for good.
French comics are done by European artists from around the continent, not just ze Frenchies. Its just they are large enough and have an established industry that could support comicbook artists compared to other European countries.
You know what the funny thing is, Japanese Manga was originally based off of American Comics.
American animations, actually. Tezuka's influences came from Walt Disney and Max Fleischer.
@@aquapendulum I mean the two most influential mangaka were inspired by Western works. Tezuka and Toriyama both were influenced by Disney and Comics respectively. And it's ironic how manga's completely outselling comics rn.
@@bigenson18 Mangas outselling comics because it's truer to what comics were previously. Actual stories with depth. Its why so many media's are failing here in the west because for every interesting story there's 20 woke muh inclusionz stories. And what's even more frustrating is that when you complain that characters have become shallow and boring husks they scream at you call you a bigot etc and say WELL ITS CUZ THEY ARE A POC OR FEMALE OR GAY etc when that's litterally not the case. I grew up watching shows like Powerpuff girls, teen titans totally spys etc all of which had either unique, strong, or complex female character leads that I looked up to. The shit now a days is woefully different
It’s funny honestly, they were originally based off of American comics now they’re outselling comics; good, let the woke corporations eat themselves.
They were never based on comics they were inspired by it
Japanese story telling is different then the west so they are not same...japan has its own craft when it comes to writing comics
And the nice thing is, even if manga is separated into categories, you can still hop into whichever one you like! I personally always go into the shounen category, despite being a girl, because I know what to expect from the books. I might watch a shoujo, and I always know to expect something sappy. Having categories doesn't segregate people, it just makes it easier to find what you want.
Same, im more into shonen and seinen than shojo. The only(I think?) shojo im a fan of is an idol anime. Shojo genres are sometimes too predictable for me, so, yeah. Even so, not all shonen appealing to me.
Looking at your username, and I am imagining an alternate timeline where our favorite talking, gluttonous, sometimes cowardly sometimes courageous canine was born a girl.
Agreed. I own a variety of anime. From His and Her Circumstance, Ourin High, and Fruits Basket, to Wolf's Rain, Love Hina, and Berserk. I don't care about genre, if the synopsis is good enough, I'll try whatever.
idk why but the word sappy made me burst out laughing. I'm gonna use it from now on
Eh, those demographics are just titles. A silent voice is a shonen, despite feeling shojo; chainsaw man is a shonen, despite feeling seinen; kaguya sama is a seinen, despite feeling shonen; etc.
Simply put.
American comics (primarily mainstream) want to try hard to earn peoples respect for including this that and the other.
While Japanese Comics(most that I see) are written down stories, they don’t stress the “well I think he should be black because he’s white and people need more black diversity in the industry” they want to tell their story not do things just to say they did it.
8:30: Ok, but Literature-Devil seems to literally not know how much Peterson and Trump resemble... uhm... literal N-zis.
Not the N-zis as in the sentence 'YOU IDIOT dont likethe same Harry-Potter-Book i like most?! You N-zi!!', but the real genuine Deal. I guess his BIAS doesnt let him see them Similiarities that 100% of Historians see, huh?
This video here sometimes lets his cluelessness shine through, ashe even reminded us of the 'Allegedness' of the (objective fact) that Diversity is Strength.
22:00 Made me realize that it’s extremely insulting that the first standalone show/movie about Hawkeye and Black Widow in the MCU are not about Natasha and Clint that everyone had been looking forward to. It’s about their replacements Kate and Yelena. And they never gave us the answer about what happened in Budapest either.
"Girls have always read comics." must be used as mantra.
"Girls have always read manga." is just a completely mundane observation.
It's just like "half of the gamers are female".
@@WannabeShady90 I mean, that's true. It's just girls tend to have different tastes(RPGs, casual mobile), so the ones you do see in hardcore fps games are rare.
the virgin " AHHHHH the president must be tough and wise and uh friendly " comic
the chad " haha president got pink clothes and pink bunny as his power " manga
Very (FUNNY)
@@adliiyadhafizan5669 cultured
me when sees 14 year old
Funny Valentine!!
It's that a Jojo reference?
'Jordan Peterson inspired Red Skull'
"Ahh Captain America, you are too late, you cannot stop me from helping you fix your relationship with your father and making you clean your room"
And take this lobster punch
"Ah Captain America, I have just woken up from my coma to get over my opioid addiction. Thank you for visiting me out in Russia, but unfortunately it is now time for you to die!"
Another thing western mainstream western comics has forgotten (indies and comicsgate still remember) is that a hero is a hero, regardless of what their skin color or other attributes are. Its the act of being a hero that makes the character appealing. Its the struggle and sacrifice to be that hero that make them compelling. Batman gave up having a life to fight crime. Rurouni Kenshin defends the weak while vowing to not kill. Though killing would be much easier for him, he makes the sacrifice to uphold his principles. These are things that however dysfunctional they are, make for an imperfect noble character. Something anyone can aspire to.
The irony being is that LGBT themes are shockingly common in Manga and anime.
but it not the main focus, it's just one ingredient for the whole story, that what make them flavorfull
@@NeroZeroes
Which is how real life is, there are people of every kind. Though having a manga and anime that focuses on an LGBT character and their life experience can also be good.
@@AlexHernandez-ee5hd if done right yes, if watching an antics of your classmate in class can be an anime, why not right? but they need to show it off the reality of it, shirobako show the up and down in anime industry, Bakuman show the harshness of manga industry, amaama to inazuma show the harshness of single parent, it show reality, the thing with hollywood storytelling, especially when concerning of "Woke" culture, it'll be full of their own ideal, not how it is, but how they want it to happen
@@NeroZeroes
Very true, Hollywood likes to blow things up to the umpteenth degree.
@@AlexHernandez-ee5hd not the focus of the plot, but lily from zombieland saga had an entire episode dedicated to her struggles in wanting to become a girl despite being born male. Plus points is her father who is a very masculine dude is very supportive of her.
Manga Industry in a nutshell:
"If it sells well, continue it."
"If it doesn't, axe it"
Hence, why there's a shit ton of story/titles to choose from in the Manga Industry.
While the Woke Comics does the complete opposite.
Hence, why you only get Trash.
Problem is if you aren't consistently selling they will cancel it even if the work is good and has a big following. If the title isn't consistently selling big it gets axed, all good series have low points but eventually get better over time but the manga industry will axe a series in its low point before it even has a chance to get better.
Imagine if Star Wars was an original manga series it would have been axed after Phantom Menace, no EU, no Clone Wars no nothing cause it had a low point and they never bothered to let the work get back to its peak.
Exactly it's a battle royale for the best of the best in manga. Meanwhile western comics these day they just spew out woke propaganda garbage then blame people not reading shit that nobody ask for them to make!
@@voidcowboy4327
Nope, if a Manga has a low point.
The publishers will give it a chance to make a comeback, since it's the buying power of the readers who'll make the decision, not the publisher.
Having a Big Following = More Buyers.
Less Following = Less Buyers.
Buyers are the actual Followers, not some blokes on the internet who are just all talk & no walk.
It's Manga we're talking about, the buying power of the Japanese Domestic Market has all the decision, not some foreign blokes who just follow stuff on the internet & didn't buy Manga.
Thanks to that we got a shit ton of options in genres, authors, artists, & publishers for the Manga industry,
@@muhdzofmadness0245 "the best" meanwhile anime that's getting green lit right now is garbage like World's End Harem and Redo of Healer instead of things like Berserk or Chainsaw Man
@@Danny-mp8dq What are you talking about ? This year has been one of the best years for anime. Although I agree Redo of healer is trash even though I only saw the 1st episode
Comcis were horrible even before the woke thing or whatever you're referring to.
The main problem in comics is that they are using the same characters since 1930s and just rewrites them in different timelines each time, while Manga generally has one writer for each story and there are always news characters coming out, not using the same characters since 1930s.
Yes bro. You are right.
Comics: This lady lives with her 2 moms, and also is gay
Manga: This one eyed guy carries one big chunk of metal, has arm cannon and repeatable crossbow, kills monster that want to eat him. And also takes care of her mentally sick girlfriend
Also that one guy was betrayed by the only person he looked up to, in the most impactful way possible
@@alfred392 And somehow audiences say the guy who betrayed him "did nothing wrong"
Modern western comics also tend to ignore or even skip the Hero's Journey. Everything is handed to them or they start out with it. No struggle, no real thrill of adventure, just here's everything you want/need, now go spread this agenda."
But they also do this in the worst way.
One Punch Man, for example, ALSO starts "after" the Hero's Journey. Saitama already has trained enough, and achieved his initial goal of being the literal strongest hero. The difference is, unlike the western comics hero who will now constantly just preach whatever agenda the writer wishes to convey, the character of Saitama is now fully on a self-discovery journey, to learn what it is he actually wishes to do with this power, and with his life. His internal struggle and questioning is the main focus of the story, while he absentmindedly annihilates all evil in front of him, never mentioning any real world politics at all.
Story over preaching. Method over shoehorned diversity. Craft over pandering. These things should be praised, not demonized. That is what Manga understands that Comics writers willfully deny.
As always, another 10/10 video essay LD. I look forward to the next one!
Such an excellent comment. Another favorite of mine.
They have the hero's journey in one punch man. Just not Saitama's hero's journey (if we disregard flashbacks.)
there are Superman stories that do that
As a person reading online novels, it's not 'western' thing, nearly all of the new and aspiring writers do the same mistake diving into their power-fantasy and forgetting that it's not the end that's important, but the journey.
'Western' publisher's mistake is that they select their new authors based on how vocal they are and not on their talent of writing or literacy.
Even based only on the picture of this vide (because I don't follow the authors as much as their work), in the US the interview is visual - are you white or minority, male or female, do you have red hair, piercings and tattoos with the right slogan. The candidate with highest diversity points is published.
They write about what they know. Most of these diversity hires haven't worked to be where they are. THey just happened to be the right sexuality/skin color. People work their whol lives at perfecting the art of writing, but yet people like the writer of "America chavez" get to write their first comic for marvel? Seems pretty racist and bigot like to me.
*Star and Stripe gets revealed in My Hero Academia*
Even the Japanese are doing American's better then the American's
And the Americans are doing Japanese the worst
Bro she is single handedly better than American heroes
@@soul_in_search_of_enlightm2131 i don't have high hopes for her character because i think she's gonna die (even tho it could maybe be a Mirko bis where she's ultra badass) but her design is AWESOME she looks so cool !
spoiler
her power is basically /command
@@pututunik8748 HAHA best way to put it
After 10 years+ becoming a weeb, I just realized how manga is that creative compare to western comics, I just used to a lot common daily activities themes present on it.
There's even a manga about "Daily Life" And that's one of my top favorite somehow lol
Here from PeriodicPete's channel. Your analysis here is excellent!
Finn was criminally underused. He had SO. MUCH. POTENTIAL. He could have become a founding member of a New Jedi Order. He could have started an elite fighting unit (using his military training). He could have become a leader of the Resistance. He could have died for the cause, bravely sacrificing himself for his friends. Instead, he got put on a bus.
I was hoping he would become a Jedi and not rei(God she sucked) I wanted Finn and I thought that was what the story was leading to in the trailers but noo! Women power fantasy and reilo and crap!!
Honestly, as a black man, that quote by John Boyega was so true, so many of these companies would get a black person to just say they have a black person, as opposed to having an actual character in mind, so what was the point? It's obvious they wanted to push the black agenda and the feminist agenda, but somewhere along the line they only wanted to continue to push their feminist agenda, so since Finn didn't matter to them as an actual character beyond the agenda, he basically stopped existing.
They did him so dirty, the concept of an ex storm trooper is so interesting, but they never did anything with it, I wanted to see backstory, i wanted to know how they are trained, I wanted rivalries with other troopers, I wanted him to do and know things only a storm trooper would know. Instead they turned him in to just another boring rebel who mowed down his former comrades like faceless nobodies.
Maybe he could have taught the resistance the tactics and battle strategies to flank or trap them
Finn had a better potential character arc then Ray but they never did anything past the first movie. Honestly I would have preferred Finn as the main protagonist. Seeing a former trooper questioning the organization he works for then deciding to turn against it then deal with fighting people he knows or even may have once been on good terms with. Would have been cool even if he never became a jedi.
"Wanting to improve one's skills, rather than assuming everyone is just a bigot. What a novel idea, this manga creator has."
This has to be the sickest burn of the entire American/Western entertainment industry, and the saddest because of how true it is.
Of course I’m a bigot.
This was BRILLIANT!!!😂 Hilarious and beautifully well written. (I'm teary-eyed right now and I can't tell if it's because the content was so on point and sad or the presentation so funny.🤣) You deserve way more subs just for this! (And you've definitely got mine!)
I can't believe I didn't know about this video until just now.
Manga authors publish quality content with well rounded individual characters.
Comic authors are more focused on pushing a narrative rather than a well rounded story and characters.
Hi!!
A question:is really manga killing cómics now???
Lets not pretend they are without flaws. Manga can get trash just as much as comics, if not worse so with some openly degenerate stuff made by degenerate authors.
Kelly Sue Deconnick: *"We're very worried about comics right now. Mainstream comic sales are down."*
Also Kelly Sue Deconnick: *"If you don't like my comics, just don't buy it! Problem solved!"*
Why does her name sound so similar to Mary Sue: the comic?
@@zerothefaceless4888 Maybe that's the reason why she's the way she is? To live up to her own name? xD
Missed opportunity for surprised pikachu meme
@@kueapel911 damn nice burn 🔥
Fine. We won't buy them, that's what you said.
Still laughing about how mythological Loki is so much wilder than these woke puritans could ever dare to emulate
Did he shag a horse??? And something about 8 legs??
@@queeny5613 even better. He was SHAGGED by a horse
Most God, Greek, Norse and such God's got up to so much messed up stuff haha
@@terrykrugii5652 so many questions
@@queeny5613 the story behind is he shapeshift into a female horse (i forgot a reason) and forgot to that there's a male horse near him that us in heat
Just throwing something hyper obscure, on pixiv there is a manga about a girl who competes in motorcycle racing, and enjoys it, no “fan service” nothing else but just girls enjoying/competing in motorcycle racing with well detailed bikes. Can’t read the Japanese but the art is comfy.
Yo what's the name?
@@Cheezmonka its called motorrad, its in japanese, though. A quick pixiv search of motorrad, would show the series and art.
@@xXGambleXx Thanks homie! I'm excited to check it out. I cannot get enough of how motorcycles are drawn by different artists in different styles.
@@Cheezmonka no prob, the artist for the manga definitely knows the ins and outs based on the mechanical designs for the motorcycle models drawn.