The Surveillance Economy and Extreme Income Inequality: You Can't Have One Without the Other
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Speaker/Performer: Jaron Lanier
Sponsors: CITRIS (Ctr for Info Technology Research in the Interest of Society), Berkeley Center for New Media, CITRIS Data and Democracy Initiative
Jaron Lanier's scientific interests include biomimetic information architectures, user interfaces, heterogeneous scientific simulations, advanced information systems for medicine, and computational approaches to the fundamentals of physics. He collaborates with a wide range of scientists in fields related to these interests.
Lanier's name is also often associated with Virtual Reality research. He either coined or popularized the term 'Virtual Reality' and in the early 1980s founded VPL Research, the first company to sell VR products. In the late 1980s he led the team that developed the first implementations of multi-person virtual worlds using head mounted displays, for both local and wide area networks, as well as the first "avatars," or representations of users within such systems. While at VPL, he and his colleagues developed the first implementations of virtual reality applications in surgical simulation, vehicle interior prototyping, virtual sets for television production, and assorted other areas. He led the team that developed the first widely used software platform architecture for immersive virtual reality applications. Sun Microsystems acquired VPL's seminal portfolio of patents related to Virtual Reality and networked 3D graphics in 1999.
From 1997 to 2001, Lanier was the Chief Scientist of Advanced Network and Services, which contained the Engineering Office of Internet2, and served as the Lead Scientist of the National Tele-immersion Initiative, a coalition of research universities studying advanced applications for Internet2. The Initiative demonstrated the first prototypes of tele-immersion in 2000 after a three-year development period. From 2001 to 2004 he was Visiting Scientist at Silicon Graphics Inc., where he developed solutions to core problems in telepresence and tele-immersion. He was Scholar at Large for Microsoft from 2006 to 2009, and Partner Architect at Microsoft Research from 2009 forward.
Lanier has received honorary doctorates from the New Jersey Institute of Technology and Franklin and Marshall College, was the recipient of CMU's Watson award in 2001, was a finalist for the first Edge of Computation Award in 2005, and received a Lifetime Career Award from the IEEE in 2009 for contributions to Virtual Reality. - Наука та технологія
This man clearly has an exceptional moral and ethical compass.
To be in the thick of this world, to have pioneered and benefited hugely from it, and yet, be able to understand and warn the rest of us other downfall and propose alternatives, is remarkable.
His book 'Who Owns the Future' should be mandatory school text.
Lanier is as brilliant as he is benevolent. I appreciate him immensely.
He is indeed fascinating and has great insight and predictions regarding how the world and human nature will change because of technology. I hope he does more lectures and gets more media opportunities. So many people are getting hooked into a trap that is very unhealthy for the human race. Addiction to media, and relinquishing privacy in a deep and intimate way is not a good thing, it leaves us extremely vulnerable and open to manipulation.
We have here a brilliant and innovative mind and someone yells "times up". That tells me more about our rigid system than anything else. Allow Mr. Lanier to speak as long as he wants. Mr. Lanier had more good ideas per minute than most people have in a lifetime. The idea (borrowed) that we all should have royalties from our individual efforts is a human promoting idea. I am humbled.
Brian Richards Small minds get bored!
Quickly
Some people will never appreciate quality.
Yes and often pass them selfs off as intellects.
Yeah..."times up"...as if time has limits
Crazy how a decade can seem so long ago. Your wisdom, sir, is just what we needed to hear... way back in 2014. Thank you for continuing to share your thoughts, Jaron.
On Walmart low-balling their customer base into poverty. Lao Tse came to mind: "If you stretch a bow to its very fullness, you will wish that you had stopped in time.". I mean, some ancient principles age very well...
I could listen and learn everyday from this man who has accomplished much in his life.
Thankful for his
talks and books, and honest answers. Best wishes.
Mr Lanier you can talk for as long as YOU want. How dare he be silenced!!! What a lightworker he is with a phenomenal brain. Bless you and THANK YOU FOR THE TRUTH✌️💞🙏
I could have listened to him talk about this for much longer! Thank you for sharing this.
No word of a lie, the man is so lovely eh?
His voice massages my soul!!! 😭
Edit: Oh and I should mention this also: It appears I'm your first subscriber ( I may be wrong but I didn't see a subscriber count). I have been meaning to get into painting more. It's an honour. ✌
Edward Morgan Forster's short story "The machine stops" is a chilling read. Imagine a machine so powerful that it provides everything humans need. But one day it starts malfunctioning...
By the way, Stuart Russel also mentions it.
Yeh I agree, everyone uses 1984 and Brave New World all the time as a comment on today's society... The machine stops is way, way way more prescient. 1984 was about propaganda, Brave New World is like a projection of Aldous Huxley's feelings about the lower orders. But, when I read The Machine Stops, wow... THAT'S a warning
The winners in this economy will never allow the losers to win as well. It has always been this way. Will always be this way. Capitalism dictates that wealth will always go uphill.
The great "id" smiles and ensures you that everything is gonna be alright while wrapping his/her hands around your throat and holding your head under water. Greed replaces empathy with apathy.
propped up and
STRONGLY DIRECTED!
This guy is a real brain. He has a lot of insight.
Who the hell are these students that are in such a rush to leave and get to the next class? You've got this living legend giving a talk about redesigning the internet and the digital economy and you're more interested in getting to Linear Algebra 101 or whatever lol
They're desperate to get into the hallway and be the first to Tweet that they've been listening to Jaron.
Then of course, by some alchemy of the internet, they'll end up absent-mindedly ordering a 36 month lock in contract supply of Barf Laundry Detergent.
this is a very interesting debate. I would not have seen this post if it was not for the free internet, yet I can see Jaron's point.
It has been known through history that it benifits the minority to keep the majority uneducated, that way they can make more money without the majority asking questions. The biggest earners do not deserve the money. Jaron does make a good point to spread that wealth. My question is would the poorest of people have known about this without free information?
Interesting but i think he is trying too hard to defend the system from which all these negative externalities are coming from.
Who cares if bunch of silicon guys know about social issues but as institutions they behave irrationally. Even oil industry guys as individuals believe that they are directly responsible for climate change but as institution they fund climate-change hoax compaign and work on maximizing profits.
everybody knows they're getting ripped off
Most of the upper class don't know about this, but they are the ones who need convincing. Doesn't matter if the poor know about this problem or not, because they have little influence, but the poor are the ones who would benefit.
"My question is would the poorest of people have known about this without free information?"
I think the point is that the free information and the concentration of power go together.
The "free information" is the product.
Without the "free information" there wouldn't have been a problem for the people to know about (though of course there would have been different problems).
Jaron, i really enjoy your talks. Humble, intelligent, and talented. Much respect brother.
Gets me in touch with my very basic human vibes, listening to Mr Jaron. In him merge different ways of intelligence, his spontaneous personal reflections on what he's saying make it very trustworthy and fun. Feeling brilliantly comfortable with this fellow, really like his observant flexible warning... Personally still tend to feel like these free internet structures will serve our just global living, allow these most integrated intelligences to give their impulses. Thank you!
Good talk.
Thank you.
I am for health
& wealth for many.
Everything is everything.
I was so glad to find this video and that Ted Nelson was mentioned in a respectful manner as his work is still under used and he himself is often berated lately.
This might be Jarons best talk
The final question was asking why don't the wealthy in silicon valley help the homeless, and the answer was about whether they should or not.
Thank you for sharing this content
I'm reading one of his books at the moment, it's extremely interesting and I'll read his other books afterwards.
5.21 Lanier means the turn of the 21st century
This is what it looks like when privilege speaks truth to power. Thanks Jaron!
*Wish I could have heard the rest of the story about Ted Nelson! He's a fascinating part of that whole history. Jaron, have you told that story elsewhere that might be online?*
TY
so I'm working for Facebook and Google without getting paid. either they start paying or we look at their charitable actions as ours in fact (+ we're being charitable towards them too)
This man helped me get rid of Facebook and made my life better I will always want more of what he says he is smart but beyond that he is humble
I get a constant sense from Jared that I'm listening to a deeply thoughtful, self reflective person, who's truly concerned for the well-being of his fellow man.
And yes, humble.
Me too, it is poison
gracias pa
There is no intrinsic reason that the illusion of experience must be itself an experience. That thinking presupposes the existence of experience that would be rendered unnecessary by the illusion of experience. It could very well be that "experience" doesn't exist at all and that our belief in experience is a byproduct of conflating percieved reality with shared objective reality and that our "experience" of being "us" and looking out into the world is not unique but very common. How would we know? We only think humans in general "experience" things because we can communicate our sensory illusions to one another.
He tried to warn us!
Complexity of humans.
The cost is always to high, but the buisness as usual scenario is apocalyptic. We're running out of time.
"Lisa, it's your birthday! Happy birthday Lisa!"
1:00:10 comparison between Marx and Henry Ford.
Is it a coincidence that this guy sounds identical to Beavis and Butthead's hippy teacher, Mr. Van Driessen
There are no coincidences.
Well haven't you noticed how cartoons typically predict the future and how sci-fi become reality
Don't think you have to worry about Charlie Rose
this guy is dense, amazing mind
Dense🤨????? I guess you have another interpretation of dense (I would like to see your interpretation of dense). 40 years of my life, the descriptive definition of *dense* in relation to a person is very negative and a put down (look it up). It just means you are saying his mind is closed and cloudy not open to ideas or closed to opinion (little or nothing can get into his mind),,,,this guy is none of that 😏.
@@8kigana yes, “dense” was the ultimate middle school word in my time there, and it roughly meant dumb. At least I think so 😃 But dense is also full, heavy, brimming with ideas 💡
we need gys like jaron ,1,2
But Google made the problem for the working stiff in SF to begin with? Where was their forethought about a middle class then? I don't think they saw what they were doing to journalism... but they should know better by now. Somebody going balistic because they have lost their home due to the manipulation of others... I sorta understand that... it can't be worked out soon enough for those who are out in the street with their kids.
The people who compile your information (experien, TU, Equifax) SELL your information all day long to 'name brokers', to sell to marketing companies. Try to imagine the possibilities of OWNING all the information of every human being on the planet. Makes me pray for EMP. Eventually you'll be on the losing side of the game. 👁
Is there any other planet in our UNIVERSE with thousands of satellites around that has a total control over the planet?
If he thought that the gutting or relaxation of copyright law was going to help musicians, he was deeply naive.
Richard Stallman DID NOT start the open source movement. He started the Free Software movement
lordoftheflings
What's the difference??
@@Hands2HealNow The difference is subtle but important. The Open Source movement, just believes in open source software as a technical, software engineering method because it means they can generally make software better, faster and more efficiently. The Free Software Foundation on the other hand is a political movement. They believe software should be Free because they believe non-free software is unethical and affront to personal freedom. They believe all software should be free not because it usually results in technically superior software but because people should have power over their own computing. Watch any of Stallman's youtube lectures and he explains it in detail.
The difference is so subtle its interchangeable. I'm a go with the guy who knew him
@@lordoftheflings Keep in mind, it's not free as in free beer either. It's free in that the software is open, you have free reign to modify it and use it in any form. Essentially it kills the EULA/ULA by giving the users the ability to use in whatever fashion they deem necessary. The underlying foundation is pretty incredible if you pick it apart to it's most fundamental level. The concept in and of itself makes it nearly impossible to use a platform to oppress a group of people.
NB: At 26:12. Jaron means to say Wall Mart, but mistakenly names Amazon.
Hear hear.
Nassim Taleb talks at length about the catastrophic failure of predictive systems in Black Swan
I'll help some people out to bridge some concepts of some of Jaron's observation concepts.
1. The "skyscraper" is of a design built on "good intentions" that is not sharing but drawing it's top structure from it's foundation. This is unsustainable, but how can it not know this in the epitome of it's design end function? So it either intends to basically share structural stability below, or it intends to decouple, or as the realist may already see, it may collapse.
2. The "1%" of super-rich individuals are part of that "skyscraper" and their wealth is denominated in the system ultimately digitally. They enjoy the illusion of ownership, but it is the super-corporate body that ultimately is the beneficiary and authority.
The basic concept of actual "sharing" is unknown to the parts of this system design and it's fundamental analog is already in the human nature as greed with no bounds of control, and no social conscience to dictate that most fundamental "love of neighbor". It is love of money that empowers the whole engine and the only solution that becomes necessary when the "skyscraper" allows part of itself to crash to the depths below, but the super-corporate body disengages entirely for the "new world".
Thus Jaron's simplistic but accurate overview has a yet simple fundamental at work regardless of what age of humanity one applies it. The "atom" still dictates the nature of the brick of lead or gold. The predatory nature of the human is amplified in the personality of the corporate matrix, and allows "good people" to be used to that end, removed by layers of functionality (and complexity) that obscure the role of the individual human nature, a creative destruction eventually sums to zero. The "network" reboots on a new operating system.
The coming decade will see the final exponentiation of the process, the OS is world government and the "retirement" of the now unneeded masses aided by advanced technology and uni-polar global authority of the "super corporation" and it's own algorithm to remove it's only threat in unneeded humanity. The ultimate "anti-virus". The optimism of the parts allows the sum of the whole to not be recognized for what it is. Any human in the whole is expendable, some more quickly than others who naturally must be replaced.
The alternative corporate matrices "personalty" is already "singular", it just needs the final phase. The corporation is the immortal entity. Or so it thinks. Speaking the algorithmic truth means less speaking engagements. Accepting it requires a certain fearlessness by some greater understanding. Thus the "truth", the summary, is never given, but various idealized impossibilities are the "summary" of the matter. "Alls good" the nature of the atom will change from lead to gold overnight somehow rectifying the fundamental error in human self-design.
YOU DO REALIZE DON'T YOU that your attempt to 'explain' is more confusing more than Jaron Lanier.
Truthfully the speaker could have done a better job (I like listening but...)
Templelijah Good comment but depressing , my opinion lol.
How is it looking?
Thank You
"siren server"? - reference material pls??
nevermnid , got it..
The amazon bailout helped
Colonisation is honourable is it, many rich countries got wealthy on the theft of others.
taamoko1 not as smart as you think you are
This video said NOTHING ABOUT THE SURVEILLANCE STATE or economy, video labeled wrong.
Big data is the surveillance state. And he even talked about personalized advertising, and the erosion of privacy.
Ted Nelson go bring it back
Need an algorithm?? I'll have to think.
At about 39:00 he clears his throat loudly, and causes his hand held battery operated mic to cut out from working nicely. There afterward when he faces away from the other mic at the podium, his voice fades. I wanted to hear what he was saying without being so distracted. I lost interest there. Why could not someone tell him, here is a new set of batteries, your mic has cut out?
banning drumming also in the Caribbean colonies...
This has no strategic or actionable design it is commentary perspective and observation. We all have that! Nice people making big mistakes is not ok. If you don’t have a plan the observations are immaterial. I don’t need someone to give commentary on why my boat is sinking and how the people who made my boat are such nice people I need a humanitarian rescue and a living wage to buy a quality craftsman who I can pay a quality amount of money to do the repair and have enough money left over to pay for the my roof over my head, pay for my heat and my food and taxes.
Let them be. Let them keep their money. Except. They don't appear in the media. And... they don't engage in criminal activity. Both conditions are necessary. From this we see: media censorship is vital!!
Omgosh.... these poor college kids.
How can I have a personal contact with Mr. Jaron Lanier? Eric V. Encina, Freelance Writer/Author, Philippines
His e-mail address is on his website.
it all depends on how technology is used it is not the fault of technology / it is a psychological embedded concept / reason was the industrial revolution/ technology was needed to have the many evolve/ in 1492 eye phones were not available & in 1789 70% of the population was illiterate/ today most exist on a same situation of 1789/1776/ however sometimes this ups & down are necessary/ "like doing a long walk to do a short one correctly" It is understood that some bad was done to bring some balance on the good side/ now that has been accomplished so is time to perform a renaissance / and reorganize the 1% and the 99% / the time is now/ hopefully without a big brother that will have to intervene to balance the realm. BY force// 🧐👽👽
There are worlds of middle class jobs gone into the 'phantasm' just like musicians. What's next?
That MkUltra is the creepiest creature I’ve ever seen.
I think I get what you were talking about but for us everyday 101 people it seriously needs to be "dumbed" down. Are you basically saying that Goggle (for example) needs to pay us for every search we do because it is information they are collecting from us??
Sounds fair to me!!
I think, although I aint that clever, it's the other way round. If we had paid google for search then they wouldn't have been able to justify the data mining which leads to the concentration of wealth that leads to the problem. The Idea about paying people for their data is a proposition of a solution after the fact, as they have decided to mine all this data, perhaps they should pay us for it, facilitating a redistrubution of wealth. But as I say I may well be wrong, I'm yet to read the book, I've just seen a few lectures on the topic.
It's called "sharing" and not actually doing it in my opinion. It's the lie inherent in forsaking the premise. But the final human modelling (for profit) is what is completing in the process to fuel the final stage properly.
Thus with scientific certainty people fuel their own crash, and the controlled crash gives birth to the new OS and system purge of the "virus".
They'd pay us via micro-payments.
You'd also be sending micro-payments to Google in other contexts.
Meanwhile you'd be giving out these micro-payments to other individuals every time you downloaded a song or used someone's photograph and at the same time they might be sending them back to you.
He makes a compelling case for the system's workability in his book, although he admits it would be a HUGE undertaking to put the technology and the legislation into place.
Tempted to call you many insults.😶
it was only in 2013 that our Queen Elizabeth II granted Alan Turing a royal pardon for his unprecedented achievements in the war, for breaking enigma.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine - Poles did that, but yes Alan got a award.
Was that a pardon for being perceived as a potential security risk by way of being blackmailable because it was a crime to be homosexual.
It's easy to proclaim that one is a musician when they dabble in jingles and/or play esoteric instruments that aren't relevant to western music-practice/harmony/economy. Much appreciation for helping to change the landscape with your consulting practice, Jaron.
Exacerbation of Wretched
exactly, attacking artists that made it is like punching your ally. often people who make it defend capitalism and thats where we need to win them back. the market is intoxicating after all...
10 years later, things are getting worse
His understanding of economy is minimal. Increased automatic translation making translators unemployed is actually very similar to how the industrial revolution "spinning jenny" machines affected the economy (fewer weavers in short run but better living standards in the long run). The concerns he voices about some individuality being lost as being bad is also questionable because humans were more group oriented in the stone age. Hence reduced individualism in USA society might make USA society a better place not worse.
+rolfstenholm
Please look at what you just said; 'fewer weavers but better living standards'... That implies that many weavers were replaced with fewer weavers, however that is NOT the same thing we're encountering today. Today, the human is left out of the picture entirely. When you weaved, you received formal compensation. When you make an account on Facebook and feed them data that they turn and profit on, you are NOT receiving any formal compensation, thus leaving the human component entirely out of the picture.
I think it's simply too naive and even irresponsible to compare today's employment shifts to those that transpired during the Luddite era.
Not in this case. Automatic translation is vey unlikely to replace humans. My comment had nothing to do with facebook business practices, it was only about this specific topic.
+rolfstenholm
Automatic translation has already replaced countless humans, and it will continue to do so at an exponential rate until 1 programmer and 1 philologist are all that remains.
Is this really true, or is it yet just another attempt to rationalize that which benefits a few at the expense of many? How do people who have no jobs purchase anything? The ruling class will thrust us into a war most likely to get rid of the workers it no longer has a use for.. because it is the only trick they know. People simply rationalize.. but if you are rationalizing that it is good for you to have more fish, and you net so many that they can't replenish themselves then your greed will cause you to starve. That's exactly what is happening. Overfishing. It isn't possible for anyone to compete with supercomputers. If it was your income at stake, and you were living in the street no doubt you would have a different attitude.
Haha. Any you are the father of what? Lol highdesight is 20/20
Credit card companies can predict to the day, what dollar amount, and what product you will purchase a year in advance. That's not a short term thing. The big data algorithm would see the table and estimate your hand would touch it, land there for approximately 2.4 seconds, and then predict you pick your nose and scratch your ass a day ahead of time and be accurate within milliseconds of you doing it. No, it can't do everything but you are WRONG about the incredible power of big data, machine learning, and these new algorithms.
People forget that the class system began with 'class'. Destroying it leads to one big low class who dislike copyright because they're uncreative, & won't get how the world became one big grubby squat.
The shit is worse than it was 9 years ago
omg, what a load of rubbish, "the digital universe" will solve all problems with really smart "algorithms". Ugh.
massive failure, over and over again...
if he didn't look so goddam ridiculous maybe i could take him seriously
If you have to judge someone on their appearance/style in order to receive a brilliant message then you might want to adjust your priorities.
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You sound like a bigot
Dreads... overweight... feminine voice... first impression is this dude is going to whine how the world isn't fair... I hope I'm proved wrong by the end. I'm going to watch it all.
Were you?
Yikes. Grow up
He needs a Keto Diet. If he wants to. If he's happy that way then so be it.
You would think that for a "genius" Lanier would know to hold the damn microphone closer to his mouth, wouldn't you?
the sounds quality is fine if he held it closer itd bee too loud
This dude needs to create an algorithm which stops him spending too much time at KFC.
ua-cam.com/video/VSH9gOqevRc/v-deo.html sounds like Downtown Nashville, TN late night when Metro Police are harassing some little dark skin teens drumming on buckets (street performers) instead of the half naked guy 6 feet away bumming for money or info (same thing these days)