I definitely think you should recommend people to try armies on Table Top Simulator if they have a PC. Its a super easy way to try all of the factions and learn the game with only spending $20 or spilt the cost with 4 friends(for $60) interested in the hobby as well. Its just a great way to learn if you are even interested in the game itself.
Tabletop Simulator is definitely a cost effective option that I missed in my initial script. I think it'd be the first thing I made sure to add if I was able to redo the video. The only downside is not building/painting your own models but for those interested in playing and not modeling it's definitely the go-to. Plus if you're good with 3d models or mod making, you could just import your onw models if you really wanted lmao
@@TheLichsLaboratory For me this is really dependent on what kind of hobby you are looking for. IMO if you really want to play the game you should go out of your way to use TTS because the learning curve is insane and the rules constantly change anyways. its best to learn what you want fast and to pick it up for fairly cheap. any army that has over 500 pts is going to cost you around $100 and thats if you buy the combat patrols which are discounted.
I appreciate how honest you are about GW’s prices. That’s something that’s frequently overlooked when people recommend their products to newcomers. It’s not even about hating on GW, it’s just keeping it real.
Thank you! And yeah, like I tell people: it's a cool hobby and it sucks that some people feel like they're priced out when GW used to be much more budget friendly with loads of scratch build tutorials and money saving conversions. Now they'll sell a single HQ for 40 bucks after tax which is just ludicrous. I wanted those curious people to know that there were other options other than full price
everyone Warhammerfan is honest about it, afaik or whereelse came the phrase "teach your kids warhammer, they will never have enough money for coke" (but nowadays, I might be worried they start to sell coke to fund their warhammer-adiction) and hate GW all you want most fans hate them
Yeah, that's why I 3D-print minis for local players. I like how it makes people happy, when they ain't forced to sell a kidney for the support knight they've been eyeing for the last few months.
I think that this and "A Warhammer Fan's Intro to Gunpla Models" might just be your best videos, period. The time you took to edit these genuinely shows.
As a gunpla builder who got into miniature painting around 2018, the biggest shock in the transition is probably the price. Like a Space Marine Captain on a tiny sprue costing as much as a RG kit is downright ridiculous. But with that being said, I now have 15k points of various 40k armies lol
The GW algorithm isnt just about the model and how cool it is, its about what it does for you in the game. Someone with a new power ir rule that can be seen as an advantage costs more money. Are they gouging? YeS!!!! But thats their defense
Just finished watching both videos. Amazing work on both of them, not only from a hobby standpoint but also a basic explanation of the lore and how to get into learning it. I am, curiously enough, getting into both of these, with 2 Gundams built on my shelf, and playing quite a few Warhammer 40K videogames (okay, mostly Dawn of War but you get me) and these videos were thoroughly entertaining and informative. Good work, and I shared them both with my Gundam/WH fan friends.
If you want to keep it relatively cheap(ish) I would recommend either getting a 3D printer, finding a decent recaster or just using 3rd party proxies. However, I would start with a small 300 - 500PT team (according to 3rd/ 4th editions!), as A, not only are older editions far cheaper B, they're also very stable compared to what Nu-GW pushes out and very importantly, are much more fun. Or something like the 1st edition of Necromuda, in which having a fast, fun, fluid game matters far more than torny play.
It'a definitely cheaper, but that's also a whole other skill set to learn. I use 3d printing a lot for my conversions but it's also understandable that some people can't or don't want to mess with slicing software and resin printers
@@stephenthomas8312 Nurgle armies are really cool man! Great models and they leave a huge space for custom models and kitbashes. Look for Miscast's Nurgle Diaries here on UA-cam if you want some Nurgle stuff to watch for inspiration. Great series and a great channel in general. A lot of chaotic creative energy lol 😎👍
Hate that I'm always behind on watching your videos - I don't hang around on my channel's account super often. But I have a few friends who are super into Gundam and I will absolutely forward this to them! Always love your stuff.
One tip regarding the citadel paints. Do NOT BUY any of the white paints. GW's white paints can be good, but most of the time they are dry, chunky and just not good to work with. The white spray cans are good though.
Warcry is great because they have released ALL the rules needed to play for FREE on their warhammer-community site in the download sections. Warcry also has great entry points with the chaos warbands which were built specifically for warcry and the models look great because they're more modern than some other AoS or Fantasy models
For a Gundam Fan, here's how the "War" part in both series is handled. In Gundam, a million dies and both sides of the conflict will lament the loss of life and how pointless war is in the end. In Warhammer, especially 40K, someone will see that statistic and think, "I can do better." For newcomers, both Gundam and the general person, I recommend Sandy Mitchell's Ciaphas Cain book series. It's got the general gist of 40K but with a more tongue-in-cheek view of the grimdark world it tells. Still, as humorous as the series is, it still treats the world with great care and can help ease a newcomer with the fun nuances and factions of the world of 40K.
Char Aznable: drops a Meteor to destroy the Planet for the Greater Good Imperium: By the Imperium its one of the Emperor's Previous Identies, commence Exterminatus on the Planet
I've been making gunpla for years and then dipped into WH. I'm planning some cross overs. Funny fact, I actually hate Tau Mechs, but dreadnoughts tho 👀
You must be more of a Zaku or Zeon kinda guy which I respect. As a kid I thought gundam were cool but as I got older my preferences began to lean more toward the sturdier denser looking zakus. Although Barbatos is one of my favorite frames in the series.
@@jaredbowman7764 SIEG ZEON 😎👍 I generally love Zeonic suits like the Hy-Gogg, Zaku 2, Rozen Zulu, and the Gouf, but the stinky Feds do put out a good suit once in a while 🤣
Excellent video as always mate! I feel like these videos are some of your best. The way you break down the similarities and differences, and the way you explain how to get through the basics, is wonderfully welcoming. Really great work!
Definitely a legit option and the best option for long distance games for sure, but I'm more of a "model in my hand" kind of guy. TTS is cheaper for sure 😂
3:09 - Games Workshop extends back to, like '78 or '79. They just sold other companys' fantasy miniatures back then, and published game ideas in White Dwarf magazine. They created HeroQuest and SpaceCrusade first, then Warhammer came in '83. Of course that's just supplemental detail beyond what you need to know for here. 3:45 - It should be noted here that Games Workshop is currently developing a return to the WFB setting (albeit several hundred years in the past) called Warhammer: The Old World. Like Warhammer: The Horus Heresy (AKA 30K) does for 7th Edition 40K, TOW will be bringing back the setting and game mechanics of the original fantasy game with new model support. 5:16 - To be clear, the universe of Age of Sigmar is the direct descendant of the old Warhammer World, with some of the heroes of the End Times being reborn as gods in the Mortal Realms. 6:35 - I believe the word he meant to use here is 'subfactions.' 7:28 - I'd also highly recommend Space Marine. You really feel like you're in the power armor of a Space Marine, plus the long pined-for sequel is currently in development. 7:46 - The Vermintide games are set during the End Times, so they're a better view of the end of the setting than the setting as a whole. 8:35 - Let me say here that you DON'T need to get into the games to get into the hobby. Plenty of people just get into the lore or the miniatures divorced from the other aspects. Heck, the manager of my local Warhammer store built and painted the models for 12 years before getting into the game. 11:11 - The Rule of Cool. The only rule you need to care about to get into the minis. 12:41 - Unless you're buying one of GW's big box sets (not usually 'high' point value. Usually more like medium). You get one of those, you're generally paying 25-40% (or greater) less than you would buying the units individually. 16:20 - Guy's being a bit of a pessimist here. Sweeping rules changes typically only occur with new editions, which usually have a 4-5 year life span, or major model range updates (which usually coincide with the same new edition cycle). Any smaller rules changes are easily locatable on the Warhammer Community website and update instantly on the 40K/Age of Sigmar app (they DO have a subscription fee, but you get BOTH for $5 a month with a Warhammer+ membership, which also comes with lots of other media and a free exclusive model that is worth the annual price by itself). 21:26 - Just want to mention here that occasionally due to using too much glue or the plastic becoming slightly warped somehow, two pieces might have a small gap where they should fit squarely (a rare occurrence, but it does happen). If you're just using the models for gaming, it's not a big deal, but you might want to fix it if you're making a display model. You can use a filler called 'liquid green stuff' to fill in the gap, sand down the edge flush, and when the paint goes on it'll be unnoticeable. 25:53 - Also...*_THIN YOUR CHAOS-DAMNED PAINTS!!!!!!!!_* ua-cam.com/video/m3p_VuPIS2c/v-deo.html 26:32 - Remember: put the matte varnish down first, then gloss over the stuff that you want to be shiny. Do it the other way and there's no shine.
T'au Empire. Yay. Interestingly, I got started way back in Shadow War: Armageddon, the kill team game that debut around the tail end of 7th edition. I was on the fence whether to choose AdMech or T'au at the time. The man-portable Railgun won.
The prices are certainly an issue. I mean this year I bought an RG Unicorn. It has color separation, clear pieces incredible articulation, high level of detail and it TRANSFORMS all for like $35. But five minis that can't move at all and have no color go for that price or higher? Painting isn't the issue, I myself detail my gunpla with paint brushes and will soon delve into fully painting them like that, since I have not yet made the leap into an airbrush. I'd be happy to paint the minis but wtf are Gamesworshop's prices??
Exactly. That's something I tried to highlight and focus on in this video a lot since price points are the first thing people think of when they see Warhammer. I feel like secondhand minis are not only viable options for a lot of people, but sadly the only option for some of them since GW just wants to crank their prices up and up as time goes on. I'd like people to get into the hobby but a lot of people who show genuine eagerness are just priced out and that's depressing
Yeah, getting minis direct from GW is a mistake, and should only be done if a model is exclusive to their webstore and you _really_ want the model. Second hand minis, purchases from resellers, 3D printing, or buying third party proxies is generally the way to go. For example, while that same $35 wouldn't get you even 10 Imperial Guardsmen from GW these days, sites like ebay are flush with used squads for around that price. And companies like Wargames Atlantic can get you 2x or 3x the model count per box for that $35. (And that's not even getting into bulk discounts, like WA does).
A veteran player's tips to getting into the game (IE: If you intend to play instead of getting just a couple models to paint) without absolutely breaking the bank 1. Try buy from 3rd party stores if you can (IE: Not the Warhammer Store) many sell the models at the max 15% discount GW allows. If you are lucky sometimes stores will offer unsold stock for less than this. 2. Building an army list before you start running out and buying all the boxes is super helpful for limiting impulse purchases (2000pts or 100PL preferably). One large box or two/three units is fine but its good to have a plan of what exactly you intend to use so half your army doesn't permanently sit on a shelf for (insert reason here). 3. Some armies are just more expensive than others to collect based on what they need and the amount they are sold by, generally more elite unit armies cost less to collect. Personally I would stay away from imperial guard (Especially Tempestus Scions) and genestealer cults if you don't want your wallet to get tortured or you intend to collect them very slowly. 4. Play the other games like Kill Team at first. They cost a lot less to get into than Sigmar/40k proper and the models often do transfer to their larger games.
Imperial Guard gets a lot easier to collect (on the wallet) if you buy third party proxies. Wargames Atlantic, shown in the video, is one of the best options for this. Not only giving way more infantry for a fraction of the price per kit, but giving bulk discounts and free shipping on orders over $50. The "Cannon Fodder" box is probably the best deal here at 30 models per $35 (unless you want to try kitbashing the 40 model Afghan Warriors historical kit). They look like budget Cadians, the poster children of the Imperial Guard, which makes the Cannon Fodder good for flavoring as planetary defense forces. (You can also model and paint them as Penal Legion, if that's your thing.)
@@Bluecho4 As much as I like Wargames Atlantic and other 3rd party stuff I think if you are just starting out with the game the first army you collect should be official stuff (as expensive as it is) to keep it simple when playing the game and know which places and people allow what kind of models.
The most common advice is to get into warhammer through their respective skirmish games, kill team and warcry. But there’s actually a cheaper option in the Barnes and noble exclusive games they sell. They produce stripped down versions of those two skirmish games in Fire Team and Bladeborn. With fire team it comes with two teams and cards for other teams that would consist of one box factions that are also usuable in kill team. For bladeborn it’s even better as it uses warbands from their other skirmish game but card based in warhammer underworlds. The most well regarded and expandable game is blitz ball, a stripped down version of blood bowl, which is dropping a new version in October and has been making the rounds by some popular board game reviewers. These games are shorter, less fiddly and a great on-ramp for the hobby and aren’t spoken about often enough.
Just watched this and your sister video. Excellent videos to get peiple in from sister hobbies.. i primarily build gunpla and thinking about entering 40k.. i am familiar with the lore from both franchises so am excited to practice both, just wondering how to start my 40k collection. so thanks for the video!!
If anyone is interested in making an imperium army. I suggest making dark angels, blood angels, or the (RIGHT CHOICE LOL) custodes. My first mini was the captain General of the custodes
40k is just a "What if (insert classic sci fi race/ characters) fought (insert other classic sci fi race/characters) with (insert any technology from any type of literature) in a galaxy made up entirely of 1917 France?" And then the "creators" sue you for selling home-made cyberpunk MK1 Landship kits.
So weird that I run into a video that specifically relates to me. Thanks for the upload. I want to play 40k, but not sure if I want to do kill team, or real 40k.
Kill Team is easier to get into, both rules and price wise. Definitely a better place to start with before determining if you want to buy into a bigger 40k army
@@TheLichsLaboratory my concern is learning a rules set, liking 40k, than having to learn a different set of rules and having to buy a different set of minis
@@d9_1056 I feel you. At the very least the rules for Kill Team aren't very long so unlearning them won't be too bad. While a lot of minis in 40k can't be used in KT, 100% of the minis used in Kill Team can be used in regular 40k in some shape or form, whether they're regular troops minis, a special force you ally in, or as a substitute for another mini, so at the very least you won't have to worry about minis you can't use. If you want something kind of in the middle of the two, you could consider playing at the Combat Patrol level, which is regular 40k rules but smaller games, usually around 250pts but sometimes up to 500pts.That's like a few squads of troops, a leader, and maybe a special kind of unit or two for most armies.
A major point that many newer fans (mostly those who came to the fandom via books, memes, and video games instead of through The Hobby) fail to grasp is the Warhammer settings aren't the same as the like of Star Wars or Marvel where canon is immutable. Warhammer is designed to be created in with huge chunks of the lore purposefully left blank for players to put their own stuff in.
i was not in model at all, until i was gifted dawn of war around when it came out, from there i moved into space marines, and guard, i looked at fantasy and saw the scaven, those fluffy rats, but it died just before i was going to start building, twwh kept it alive, i spurned it, and started daemons instead as i was trying khorne for chaos, figured i'd give aos a chance and now i have the star lizards, bloody skull collectors, and a short stack team, just waiting on old world so i can scaven good and right-right, yes-yes, and likely build grand Cathay
You can play a more affordable/free wargame using 3d printed/official/3rd party/recasts . It's called one page rules. Go look it up, there's even community made rules for Zeon and Federation.
@@TheLichsLaboratory I got back into Warhammer 40k at the tail end of 9th edition and the start of 10th, it was okay at the beginning, then things got progressively bad... Made my custodes into chumps.
I will also say that if theres anyone like me who dont do models but enjoys the lore and universe, Crusade and Other Stories is a great short story collection designed for newcomers to 40K thats pretty cheap and very solid. Theres also the Horus Heresy which is a 54 book and counting EPIC of a series that serves as a prequel to why the universe is so fucked in WH40k. that varies in pacing and quality but the first three and many more are genuinely fantastic as well. I dont know too much on Warhammer Fantasy books but I did read Age of Sigmar Thunderstrike which was pretty good. Its a damn shame we havent gotten a fully realized Warhammer movie yet with how much reading material there is. There was a direct to DVD CGI thing that came out a while back but its totally skippable. With the success of the fan project Astartes, which kicks ass btw, I hope we get some super sick Warhammer adaptations.
I really wonder as both a gunpla builder and someone who build warhammer stuffs what you think about tau mechs? Maybe build one and compare to see how similar or different they are from one another.
Design wise they're pretty neat but I'm not really interested in Tau lore or models. I'd build one if I happened to get one for free or something but outside of doing a comparison like you said I don't think I'd get one for anything
Tau battlesuits have a much more grounded and utilitarian design then Gundam mobile suits. While they still resemble Tau anatomy in their overall structure, they're more clearly mechanical in design, without much attempt to match the biological form. You can see this most clearly in the head, where the Gundam goes for something evocative of a samurai helmet, while a Crisis Battlesuit just has a boxy structure with some lenses and an antenna. It is where a head should be, anatomically speaking, but it looks nothing like one in isolation. Tau battlesuits are also not capable of movement as dexterous as that of mobile suits, which are almost capable of mimicking human motion. They have the ability to produce hand-like manipulators (they're usually retracted into the arm, but the commander kits give you the option to build them with them out), but they are only used when necessary. Their weapons, save for some very rare exceptions (looking at you, Farsight), are attached to hardpoints on the forearms rather than handheld. The bulk of their battlefield movement is also done with their jump packs, with walking being relegated to precise movement over short distances.
It's "Brother Castor" from the Space Marines Heroes line. I don't think it has an Ultramarine symbol on the shoulder mold itself but the arm comes as a separate piece so it wouldn't be hard to slice the pauldron off
For this model in particular I spray primed her before attaching her to the base. I used a pin vise to insert a piece of wire into her foot so I can spray prime the model in a 360 degree fashion. Then when it came to attaching her, I cut the wire with about half an inch left sticking out of the model then fed it through a hole in the base. For a more visual explanation, look at the pinning tutorial by Vince Venturella here on UA-cam. He's a godly hobbyist and has won a shit ton of awards who has a series of great guides for beginners
It waa Citadel's Grey Knight Steel washed with Nuln Oil all over, then a damp brush removed the ink on the high spots. A recess shade would work too, I was just painting quickly
@@TheLichsLaboratory awesome thanks. As an ironhands player I've used ironhands steel. It's a good metal paint, but I've been looking for a brighter paint and that sisters armor looked perfect. Great videos btw
@@jcshields27 I like using Grey Knights Still for any kind of bright/clean metal since I have two pots of it for some reason, but I usually wash it down so Stormhost Silver highlights I put on later can pop out And thank you very much!
Im gunna say this tho, the prices are actually slightly cheeper nowadays then what alot of people belive to be its cheeper period, with adjusting for inflation an average set of lets say, 5 models would cost around £35 ish, wereas now there about £30 ish
I think there could be an interesting collaboration with Wargaming and Bandai. The giant Titans! How cool would it be to have a fully articulated Titan that's to scale as the regular game pieces in a match? It would be an interesting build too. Given the game scale, the largest would have to be Perfect Grade, but make sure there are interiors for a miniature crew. Other grade are possible too! The Tau mechs are pretty cool too and more inline with what Bandai already make, so that's might be an easier collaboration.
Bandai do have a warhammer space marine figure, I thinks it's price point is at $200+ it is premium bandai if I remember correctly. Even though I am kinda tempted to buy the warhammer kit, but the price is kinda pushing me back.. since $200 could get me atleast 3 or 4 RG kits here on my country.
I've been a Gundam (Universal Century) fan for over 20 years now. I have work colleagues who want to get me into Warhammer/DnD, and I'm curious about it, but I just don't think it's for me and watching this video kind of isn't convincing me either (it's a good video though! Not saying that it isn't!!!) First, I build Gunpla for displaying purposes. I don't do dioramas or anything, but I am into custom painting, LED additions, and customization/kit-bashing. In no way do I build Gunpla as game pieces (as far as I know, it's not a thing for Gunpla anyway). Second, I get bored with board games. Yes, I know these games aren't like Monopoly or anything, but I guess I just need video games over board games. Third, I'm not into elves, orcs, etc. I've played some video games with them (Dragon's Dogma, for example), but I never truly get into that sort of thing. Same goes for magic, sorcery, and what-not. I'm into science fiction, but especially into realistic/possible science fiction, which is what I consider Gundam (Universal Century ONLY). It's sci-fi that COULD happen, but likely won't. Mechs and stuff, I'm also into. I'm fascinated in engineering and mechanics, so that's why. The guys I work with are telling me that they don't follow official rules strictly (play for fun), so they want me to use my Gunpla in the gameplay. That'd be cool and all, but I just can't make it work in my mind. Gundam is man+machine vs man+machine. Not man+machine vs elves, orcs, or wizards. Don't get me wrong... I appreciate these guys trying to include me though. Cool guys too. It's just not my thing.
I totally get you. It's nice to see that they want to do things with you but at the end of the day, if it ain't for you then it ain't for you. Personally I don't really get to play the actual game either, but I love the modeling aspect of both hobbies. That's a big strength of being a multifaceted hobby lol. Different strokes for different folks I'm glad this helped you out in some way at least!
Also, as more of a real mecha fan, you might also already be aware of the Battletech series but Battletech also has its own wargame. Boxes are cheap, like 30usd for everything you'd need and you usually only need one for small-mid sized games. From what I've heard it's pretty fun to boot, so maybe it could be a middle ground for you guys? 🤔
@The Lich's Laboratory The Battletech name is familiar for some reason, but I know nothing of it. Maybe one of my work colleagues mentioned it at some point? I dunno. I've never played role playing table top games (I guess you call them?) like DnD, Warhammer, Battletech, etc. I don't know why, but they've never interested me. But I'm interested with making new friends, as shy and introverted as I am. I'll look into Battletech. Maybe it's something you can actually blend Gundam into without breaking the lore or whatever.
@@SpexSpexington Battletech is a western military mecha franchise with a lot of combined arms warfare that's been around for close to 30 years now iirc. There are TTRPGs, wargames, and a bunch of other fiction around a really political plot. At the very least there's a Battletech 2018 game on Steam that might be a good way to dip your toes into the franchise. My dad and my friend are much more familiar with Battletech, I just played MechWarrior when it came out lol
I'll be honest, I'm contemplating getting a small Sisters of Battle Squad of the Order I'm workshopping, where they got Slaneeshed just enough to be a hedonistic polycule of trans lesbians with a recruitment tactic that references a webnovel, but with how shaky my hands are I do not feel confident in my ability to paint them. Maybe one day. Gunpla until then.
I am not, although I watch a lot of fishing content for some reason lol. I have a stepbrother who fishes a lot, but personally, I'm from more of a "spend all day crabbing by hand with my Asian family" kind of background
I definitely think you should recommend people to try armies on Table Top Simulator if they have a PC. Its a super easy way to try all of the factions and learn the game with only spending $20 or spilt the cost with 4 friends(for $60) interested in the hobby as well. Its just a great way to learn if you are even interested in the game itself.
Tabletop Simulator is definitely a cost effective option that I missed in my initial script. I think it'd be the first thing I made sure to add if I was able to redo the video. The only downside is not building/painting your own models but for those interested in playing and not modeling it's definitely the go-to. Plus if you're good with 3d models or mod making, you could just import your onw models if you really wanted lmao
@@TheLichsLaboratory For me this is really dependent on what kind of hobby you are looking for. IMO if you really want to play the game you should go out of your way to use TTS because the learning curve is insane and the rules constantly change anyways. its best to learn what you want fast and to pick it up for fairly cheap. any army that has over 500 pts is going to cost you around $100 and thats if you buy the combat patrols which are discounted.
It's also good when you don't have a hobby store near by.
I appreciate how honest you are about GW’s prices. That’s something that’s frequently overlooked when people recommend their products to newcomers. It’s not even about hating on GW, it’s just keeping it real.
Thank you! And yeah, like I tell people: it's a cool hobby and it sucks that some people feel like they're priced out when GW used to be much more budget friendly with loads of scratch build tutorials and money saving conversions. Now they'll sell a single HQ for 40 bucks after tax which is just ludicrous. I wanted those curious people to know that there were other options other than full price
3d printed 3rd party proxies are your best bet on a budget.
everyone Warhammerfan is honest about it, afaik
or whereelse came the phrase "teach your kids warhammer, they will never have enough money for coke" (but nowadays, I might be worried they start to sell coke to fund their warhammer-adiction)
and hate GW all you want
most fans hate them
You should hate GW for all its shitty business practices
Yeah, that's why I 3D-print minis for local players. I like how it makes people happy, when they ain't forced to sell a kidney for the support knight they've been eyeing for the last few months.
I think that this and "A Warhammer Fan's Intro to Gunpla Models" might just be your best videos, period. The time you took to edit these genuinely shows.
Thanks a ton man, it means a lot! 🥰
As a gunpla builder who got into miniature painting around 2018, the biggest shock in the transition is probably the price. Like a Space Marine Captain on a tiny sprue costing as much as a RG kit is downright ridiculous. But with that being said, I now have 15k points of various 40k armies lol
The slippery slope 🤣
But yeah, it's just different markets really. Both have their appeal but I agree, the price for Warhammer is a little problematic
The GW algorithm isnt just about the model and how cool it is, its about what it does for you in the game. Someone with a new power ir rule that can be seen as an advantage costs more money. Are they gouging? YeS!!!! But thats their defense
You can always kitbash your HQs.
The first time I stepped into a GW store, the sheer amount of glue fumes in the air had me seeing warp circles.
The glue unlocked your mind's eye. What did you see in the fumes, wise one?
Just finished watching both videos. Amazing work on both of them, not only from a hobby standpoint but also a basic explanation of the lore and how to get into learning it. I am, curiously enough, getting into both of these, with 2 Gundams built on my shelf, and playing quite a few Warhammer 40K videogames (okay, mostly Dawn of War but you get me) and these videos were thoroughly entertaining and informative. Good work, and I shared them both with my Gundam/WH fan friends.
Thank you so much, that's very high praise! I'm glad these guides could help you and your friends 😁
If you want to keep it relatively cheap(ish) I would recommend either getting a 3D printer, finding a decent recaster or just using 3rd party proxies. However, I would start with a small 300 - 500PT team (according to 3rd/ 4th editions!), as A, not only are older editions far cheaper B, they're also very stable compared to what Nu-GW pushes out and very importantly, are much more fun.
Or something like the 1st edition of Necromuda, in which having a fast, fun, fluid game matters far more than torny play.
It'a definitely cheaper, but that's also a whole other skill set to learn. I use 3d printing a lot for my conversions but it's also understandable that some people can't or don't want to mess with slicing software and resin printers
Been building gunpla for a few years, wanted to dip my toes into Warhammer, and this video helped a bunch. Great video!
I'm really glad to be of help! 😁 Any specific faction catch your eye?
@@TheLichsLaboratory looking at the Maggotkin of Nurgle in the Age of Sigmar line actually. A little change up from the mech stuff!
@@stephenthomas8312 Nurgle armies are really cool man! Great models and they leave a huge space for custom models and kitbashes. Look for Miscast's Nurgle Diaries here on UA-cam if you want some Nurgle stuff to watch for inspiration. Great series and a great channel in general. A lot of chaotic creative energy lol 😎👍
Hate that I'm always behind on watching your videos - I don't hang around on my channel's account super often. But I have a few friends who are super into Gundam and I will absolutely forward this to them! Always love your stuff.
I'm just glad to have your support man! Hope everything's been good on your end lately 😁
@@TheLichsLaboratory Been well, just distracted. I may or may not have a video coming out soon 👀
@@thepaintingacolyte oh whaddup I'll be there bro 👀😲
One tip regarding the citadel paints. Do NOT BUY any of the white paints. GW's white paints can be good, but most of the time they are dry, chunky and just not good to work with. The white spray cans are good though.
Warcry is great because they have released ALL the rules needed to play for FREE on their warhammer-community site in the download sections. Warcry also has great entry points with the chaos warbands which were built specifically for warcry and the models look great because they're more modern than some other AoS or Fantasy models
Them spider dudes from that one warcry box are awesome
For a Gundam Fan, here's how the "War" part in both series is handled.
In Gundam, a million dies and both sides of the conflict will lament the loss of life and how pointless war is in the end.
In Warhammer, especially 40K, someone will see that statistic and think, "I can do better."
For newcomers, both Gundam and the general person, I recommend Sandy Mitchell's Ciaphas Cain book series. It's got the general gist of 40K but with a more tongue-in-cheek view of the grimdark world it tells. Still, as humorous as the series is, it still treats the world with great care and can help ease a newcomer with the fun nuances and factions of the world of 40K.
Char Aznable: drops a Meteor to destroy the Planet for the Greater Good
Imperium: By the Imperium its one of the Emperor's Previous Identies, commence Exterminatus on the Planet
As a semi casual Gundam fan and rabid Warhammer fan, your explanation is so true.
I've been making gunpla for years and then dipped into WH. I'm planning some cross overs. Funny fact, I actually hate Tau Mechs, but dreadnoughts tho 👀
Ah, a fellow Dreadnought connoisseur 😎🤝😎
Brah the Leviathan just dropped at my locals
@@MekBoooooi Better snag 3, just in case 👀
You must be more of a Zaku or Zeon kinda guy which I respect. As a kid I thought gundam were cool but as I got older my preferences began to lean more toward the sturdier denser looking zakus. Although Barbatos is one of my favorite frames in the series.
@@jaredbowman7764 SIEG ZEON 😎👍
I generally love Zeonic suits like the Hy-Gogg, Zaku 2, Rozen Zulu, and the Gouf, but the stinky Feds do put out a good suit once in a while 🤣
Excellent video as always mate! I feel like these videos are some of your best. The way you break down the similarities and differences, and the way you explain how to get through the basics, is wonderfully welcoming. Really great work!
Thank you very much man, I'm really glad you enjoyed it!
"You as consumers have alternatives".
Me laughing in Table Top Simulator.😂
Definitely a legit option and the best option for long distance games for sure, but I'm more of a "model in my hand" kind of guy. TTS is cheaper for sure 😂
@@TheLichsLaboratory Same. I'm using tts for long distance games and testing units I think of buying irl
@@ralfsstuff Work smarter, not harder my man. 😎👍Er, expensively. Costlier? Whatever, you get my point 😂
3:09 - Games Workshop extends back to, like '78 or '79. They just sold other companys' fantasy miniatures back then, and published game ideas in White Dwarf magazine. They created HeroQuest and SpaceCrusade first, then Warhammer came in '83. Of course that's just supplemental detail beyond what you need to know for here.
3:45 - It should be noted here that Games Workshop is currently developing a return to the WFB setting (albeit several hundred years in the past) called Warhammer: The Old World. Like Warhammer: The Horus Heresy (AKA 30K) does for 7th Edition 40K, TOW will be bringing back the setting and game mechanics of the original fantasy game with new model support.
5:16 - To be clear, the universe of Age of Sigmar is the direct descendant of the old Warhammer World, with some of the heroes of the End Times being reborn as gods in the Mortal Realms.
6:35 - I believe the word he meant to use here is 'subfactions.'
7:28 - I'd also highly recommend Space Marine. You really feel like you're in the power armor of a Space Marine, plus the long pined-for sequel is currently in development.
7:46 - The Vermintide games are set during the End Times, so they're a better view of the end of the setting than the setting as a whole.
8:35 - Let me say here that you DON'T need to get into the games to get into the hobby. Plenty of people just get into the lore or the miniatures divorced from the other aspects. Heck, the manager of my local Warhammer store built and painted the models for 12 years before getting into the game.
11:11 - The Rule of Cool. The only rule you need to care about to get into the minis.
12:41 - Unless you're buying one of GW's big box sets (not usually 'high' point value. Usually more like medium). You get one of those, you're generally paying 25-40% (or greater) less than you would buying the units individually.
16:20 - Guy's being a bit of a pessimist here. Sweeping rules changes typically only occur with new editions, which usually have a 4-5 year life span, or major model range updates (which usually coincide with the same new edition cycle). Any smaller rules changes are easily locatable on the Warhammer Community website and update instantly on the 40K/Age of Sigmar app (they DO have a subscription fee, but you get BOTH for $5 a month with a Warhammer+ membership, which also comes with lots of other media and a free exclusive model that is worth the annual price by itself).
21:26 - Just want to mention here that occasionally due to using too much glue or the plastic becoming slightly warped somehow, two pieces might have a small gap where they should fit squarely (a rare occurrence, but it does happen). If you're just using the models for gaming, it's not a big deal, but you might want to fix it if you're making a display model. You can use a filler called 'liquid green stuff' to fill in the gap, sand down the edge flush, and when the paint goes on it'll be unnoticeable.
25:53 - Also...*_THIN YOUR CHAOS-DAMNED PAINTS!!!!!!!!_* ua-cam.com/video/m3p_VuPIS2c/v-deo.html
26:32 - Remember: put the matte varnish down first, then gloss over the stuff that you want to be shiny. Do it the other way and there's no shine.
T'au Empire. Yay.
Interestingly, I got started way back in Shadow War: Armageddon, the kill team game that debut around the tail end of 7th edition. I was on the fence whether to choose AdMech or T'au at the time.
The man-portable Railgun won.
Lmao 😂 I've heard good things about Shadow War Armageddon. I'd love to give it a try one day
@@TheLichsLaboratory Aside from having a not-quite-intuitive wound roll table, it's quite fun.
@@RavenAdventwings Good to know. Thanks!
The prices are certainly an issue. I mean this year I bought an RG Unicorn. It has color separation, clear pieces incredible articulation, high level of detail and it TRANSFORMS all for like $35. But five minis that can't move at all and have no color go for that price or higher? Painting isn't the issue, I myself detail my gunpla with paint brushes and will soon delve into fully painting them like that, since I have not yet made the leap into an airbrush. I'd be happy to paint the minis but wtf are Gamesworshop's prices??
Exactly. That's something I tried to highlight and focus on in this video a lot since price points are the first thing people think of when they see Warhammer. I feel like secondhand minis are not only viable options for a lot of people, but sadly the only option for some of them since GW just wants to crank their prices up and up as time goes on. I'd like people to get into the hobby but a lot of people who show genuine eagerness are just priced out and that's depressing
Yeah, getting minis direct from GW is a mistake, and should only be done if a model is exclusive to their webstore and you _really_ want the model.
Second hand minis, purchases from resellers, 3D printing, or buying third party proxies is generally the way to go.
For example, while that same $35 wouldn't get you even 10 Imperial Guardsmen from GW these days, sites like ebay are flush with used squads for around that price. And companies like Wargames Atlantic can get you 2x or 3x the model count per box for that $35. (And that's not even getting into bulk discounts, like WA does).
A veteran player's tips to getting into the game (IE: If you intend to play instead of getting just a couple models to paint) without absolutely breaking the bank
1. Try buy from 3rd party stores if you can (IE: Not the Warhammer Store) many sell the models at the max 15% discount GW allows. If you are lucky sometimes stores will offer unsold stock for less than this.
2. Building an army list before you start running out and buying all the boxes is super helpful for limiting impulse purchases (2000pts or 100PL preferably). One large box or two/three units is fine but its good to have a plan of what exactly you intend to use so half your army doesn't permanently sit on a shelf for (insert reason here).
3. Some armies are just more expensive than others to collect based on what they need and the amount they are sold by, generally more elite unit armies cost less to collect. Personally I would stay away from imperial guard (Especially Tempestus Scions) and genestealer cults if you don't want your wallet to get tortured or you intend to collect them very slowly.
4. Play the other games like Kill Team at first. They cost a lot less to get into than Sigmar/40k proper and the models often do transfer to their larger games.
Imperial Guard gets a lot easier to collect (on the wallet) if you buy third party proxies. Wargames Atlantic, shown in the video, is one of the best options for this. Not only giving way more infantry for a fraction of the price per kit, but giving bulk discounts and free shipping on orders over $50.
The "Cannon Fodder" box is probably the best deal here at 30 models per $35 (unless you want to try kitbashing the 40 model Afghan Warriors historical kit). They look like budget Cadians, the poster children of the Imperial Guard, which makes the Cannon Fodder good for flavoring as planetary defense forces. (You can also model and paint them as Penal Legion, if that's your thing.)
@@Bluecho4 As much as I like Wargames Atlantic and other 3rd party stuff I think if you are just starting out with the game the first army you collect should be official stuff (as expensive as it is) to keep it simple when playing the game and know which places and people allow what kind of models.
Great Video! Im gonna go and by my first Warhammer miniature rn. Really Great Video!
Thank you, and I'm glad to hear! I hope you have fun with it!
I would also recommend Warhammer 40k: Space Marine if strategy games isn't your thing.
I like building and painting both.
The most common advice is to get into warhammer through their respective skirmish games, kill team and warcry. But there’s actually a cheaper option in the Barnes and noble exclusive games they sell. They produce stripped down versions of those two skirmish games in Fire Team and Bladeborn. With fire team it comes with two teams and cards for other teams that would consist of one box factions that are also usuable in kill team. For bladeborn it’s even better as it uses warbands from their other skirmish game but card based in warhammer underworlds. The most well regarded and expandable game is blitz ball, a stripped down version of blood bowl, which is dropping a new version in October and has been making the rounds by some popular board game reviewers. These games are shorter, less fiddly and a great on-ramp for the hobby and aren’t spoken about often enough.
Just watched this and your sister video. Excellent videos to get peiple in from sister hobbies.. i primarily build gunpla and thinking about entering 40k.. i am familiar with the lore from both franchises so am excited to practice both, just wondering how to start my 40k collection. so thanks for the video!!
If anyone is interested in making an imperium army. I suggest making dark angels, blood angels, or the (RIGHT CHOICE LOL) custodes. My first mini was the captain General of the custodes
40k is just a "What if (insert classic sci fi race/ characters) fought (insert other classic sci fi race/characters) with (insert any technology from any type of literature) in a galaxy made up entirely of 1917 France?"
And then the "creators" sue you for selling home-made cyberpunk MK1 Landship kits.
"Deodorant Land Speeder? That's a paddlin' "
-GW Legal Team
some one needs to make table top rules for gunpla the 1/144 HG UC kit would make great models to use for this
So weird that I run into a video that specifically relates to me. Thanks for the upload. I want to play 40k, but not sure if I want to do kill team, or real 40k.
Kill Team is easier to get into, both rules and price wise. Definitely a better place to start with before determining if you want to buy into a bigger 40k army
@@TheLichsLaboratory my concern is learning a rules set, liking 40k, than having to learn a different set of rules and having to buy a different set of minis
@@d9_1056 I feel you. At the very least the rules for Kill Team aren't very long so unlearning them won't be too bad. While a lot of minis in 40k can't be used in KT, 100% of the minis used in Kill Team can be used in regular 40k in some shape or form, whether they're regular troops minis, a special force you ally in, or as a substitute for another mini, so at the very least you won't have to worry about minis you can't use.
If you want something kind of in the middle of the two, you could consider playing at the Combat Patrol level, which is regular 40k rules but smaller games, usually around 250pts but sometimes up to 500pts.That's like a few squads of troops, a leader, and maybe a special kind of unit or two for most armies.
A major point that many newer fans (mostly those who came to the fandom via books, memes, and video games instead of through The Hobby) fail to grasp is the Warhammer settings aren't the same as the like of Star Wars or Marvel where canon is immutable. Warhammer is designed to be created in with huge chunks of the lore purposefully left blank for players to put their own stuff in.
Warhammer 40k. Where a model the size of a small dog is still technically a miniature
Really embraces the spirit of the whole setting if you think about it 😂
i mean a model empire state building scaled down to the size of a tree house is still technically a "miniature" version of the empire state building.
As someone who started building models with warhammer: Why are your big stompy robots not only cheaper, but also more expressive than ours?
Superior Japanese plastic folded a gorillion bajillion times
Look I’m trying to paint my minis, at this point I feel bad for my termies ):
I believe in you man ✊😤
i was not in model at all, until i was gifted dawn of war around when it came out, from there i moved into space marines, and guard, i looked at fantasy and saw the scaven, those fluffy rats, but it died just before i was going to start building, twwh kept it alive, i spurned it, and started daemons instead as i was trying khorne for chaos, figured i'd give aos a chance and now i have the star lizards, bloody skull collectors, and a short stack team, just waiting on old world so i can scaven good and right-right, yes-yes, and likely build grand Cathay
You can play a more affordable/free wargame using 3d printed/official/3rd party/recasts . It's called one page rules. Go look it up, there's even community made rules for Zeon and Federation.
Yes! I've heard great things about OPR, a great alternative to those not wanting to deal with Games Workshop or just looking for a cheaper alternative
@@TheLichsLaboratory I got back into Warhammer 40k at the tail end of 9th edition and the start of 10th, it was okay at the beginning, then things got progressively bad... Made my custodes into chumps.
I will also say that if theres anyone like me who dont do models but enjoys the lore and universe, Crusade and Other Stories is a great short story collection designed for newcomers to 40K thats pretty cheap and very solid. Theres also the Horus Heresy which is a 54 book and counting EPIC of a series that serves as a prequel to why the universe is so fucked in WH40k. that varies in pacing and quality but the first three and many more are genuinely fantastic as well. I dont know too much on Warhammer Fantasy books but I did read Age of Sigmar Thunderstrike which was pretty good.
Its a damn shame we havent gotten a fully realized Warhammer movie yet with how much reading material there is. There was a direct to DVD CGI thing that came out a while back but its totally skippable. With the success of the fan project Astartes, which kicks ass btw, I hope we get some super sick Warhammer adaptations.
well seeing that gunpla ppl most likely like big robots ... knights/tau might be a good start for them . ofc as long they like the looks of it.
40K isn’t terribly expensive until your Shame Box is more expensive than your painted models.
I have a shame wardrobe if that counts (but it also contains mins from other systems!).
when it comes to recommendations of Videogames
I also suggest Warhammer 40k: Space Marine
I really wonder as both a gunpla builder and someone who build warhammer stuffs what you think about tau mechs? Maybe build one and compare to see how similar or different they are from one another.
Design wise they're pretty neat but I'm not really interested in Tau lore or models. I'd build one if I happened to get one for free or something but outside of doing a comparison like you said I don't think I'd get one for anything
Tau battlesuits have a much more grounded and utilitarian design then Gundam mobile suits. While they still resemble Tau anatomy in their overall structure, they're more clearly mechanical in design, without much attempt to match the biological form. You can see this most clearly in the head, where the Gundam goes for something evocative of a samurai helmet, while a Crisis Battlesuit just has a boxy structure with some lenses and an antenna. It is where a head should be, anatomically speaking, but it looks nothing like one in isolation.
Tau battlesuits are also not capable of movement as dexterous as that of mobile suits, which are almost capable of mimicking human motion. They have the ability to produce hand-like manipulators (they're usually retracted into the arm, but the commander kits give you the option to build them with them out), but they are only used when necessary. Their weapons, save for some very rare exceptions (looking at you, Farsight), are attached to hardpoints on the forearms rather than handheld. The bulk of their battlefield movement is also done with their jump packs, with walking being relegated to precise movement over short distances.
Wouldn´t it be easier to paint the miniature before glueing it to the base?
It's all preference. I tend to swap which method I do depending on what I'm doing, but usually I paint my minis before attaching
The Front of the video have a Space marine model I haven’t seen can anyone tell me what ultramarine model is that🤩🤩🤩🤩😜😜😎
It's "Brother Castor" from the Space Marines Heroes line. I don't think it has an Ultramarine symbol on the shoulder mold itself but the arm comes as a separate piece so it wouldn't be hard to slice the pauldron off
It Brother Corax now but thank you I am a blood angel Player death company
New player/painter here (40k), how did you paint the inside of her cape behind her legs?
For this model in particular I spray primed her before attaching her to the base. I used a pin vise to insert a piece of wire into her foot so I can spray prime the model in a 360 degree fashion. Then when it came to attaching her, I cut the wire with about half an inch left sticking out of the model then fed it through a hole in the base. For a more visual explanation, look at the pinning tutorial by Vince Venturella here on UA-cam. He's a godly hobbyist and has won a shit ton of awards who has a series of great guides for beginners
@@TheLichsLaboratory Thanks for the in-depth explanation.
And I'll definitely stop by Vince's channel.
@@ralfsstuff I'm happy to be of help! 😁
What silver did you use for the armor of that sister?
It waa Citadel's Grey Knight Steel washed with Nuln Oil all over, then a damp brush removed the ink on the high spots. A recess shade would work too, I was just painting quickly
@@TheLichsLaboratory awesome thanks. As an ironhands player I've used ironhands steel. It's a good metal paint, but I've been looking for a brighter paint and that sisters armor looked perfect.
Great videos btw
@@jcshields27 I like using Grey Knights Still for any kind of bright/clean metal since I have two pots of it for some reason, but I usually wash it down so Stormhost Silver highlights I put on later can pop out
And thank you very much!
Im gunna say this tho, the prices are actually slightly cheeper nowadays then what alot of people belive to be its cheeper period, with adjusting for inflation an average set of lets say, 5 models would cost around £35 ish, wereas now there about £30 ish
Oh yea theres also tamiya, the 3rd hidden king of model kits
I think there could be an interesting collaboration with Wargaming and Bandai. The giant Titans! How cool would it be to have a fully articulated Titan that's to scale as the regular game pieces in a match? It would be an interesting build too. Given the game scale, the largest would have to be Perfect Grade, but make sure there are interiors for a miniature crew. Other grade are possible too! The Tau mechs are pretty cool too and more inline with what Bandai already make, so that's might be an easier collaboration.
Bandai do have a warhammer space marine figure, I thinks it's price point is at $200+ it is premium bandai if I remember correctly.
Even though I am kinda tempted to buy the warhammer kit, but the price is kinda pushing me back.. since $200 could get me atleast 3 or 4 RG kits here on my country.
I've been a Gundam (Universal Century) fan for over 20 years now. I have work colleagues who want to get me into Warhammer/DnD, and I'm curious about it, but I just don't think it's for me and watching this video kind of isn't convincing me either (it's a good video though! Not saying that it isn't!!!)
First, I build Gunpla for displaying purposes. I don't do dioramas or anything, but I am into custom painting, LED additions, and customization/kit-bashing. In no way do I build Gunpla as game pieces (as far as I know, it's not a thing for Gunpla anyway).
Second, I get bored with board games. Yes, I know these games aren't like Monopoly or anything, but I guess I just need video games over board games.
Third, I'm not into elves, orcs, etc. I've played some video games with them (Dragon's Dogma, for example), but I never truly get into that sort of thing. Same goes for magic, sorcery, and what-not. I'm into science fiction, but especially into realistic/possible science fiction, which is what I consider Gundam (Universal Century ONLY). It's sci-fi that COULD happen, but likely won't. Mechs and stuff, I'm also into. I'm fascinated in engineering and mechanics, so that's why.
The guys I work with are telling me that they don't follow official rules strictly (play for fun), so they want me to use my Gunpla in the gameplay. That'd be cool and all, but I just can't make it work in my mind. Gundam is man+machine vs man+machine. Not man+machine vs elves, orcs, or wizards.
Don't get me wrong... I appreciate these guys trying to include me though. Cool guys too. It's just not my thing.
BTW, thanks for the video! It gave me a bit of insight for the hobby.
I totally get you. It's nice to see that they want to do things with you but at the end of the day, if it ain't for you then it ain't for you. Personally I don't really get to play the actual game either, but I love the modeling aspect of both hobbies. That's a big strength of being a multifaceted hobby lol. Different strokes for different folks
I'm glad this helped you out in some way at least!
Also, as more of a real mecha fan, you might also already be aware of the Battletech series but Battletech also has its own wargame. Boxes are cheap, like 30usd for everything you'd need and you usually only need one for small-mid sized games. From what I've heard it's pretty fun to boot, so maybe it could be a middle ground for you guys? 🤔
@The Lich's Laboratory The Battletech name is familiar for some reason, but I know nothing of it. Maybe one of my work colleagues mentioned it at some point? I dunno.
I've never played role playing table top games (I guess you call them?) like DnD, Warhammer, Battletech, etc. I don't know why, but they've never interested me. But I'm interested with making new friends, as shy and introverted as I am.
I'll look into Battletech. Maybe it's something you can actually blend Gundam into without breaking the lore or whatever.
@@SpexSpexington Battletech is a western military mecha franchise with a lot of combined arms warfare that's been around for close to 30 years now iirc. There are TTRPGs, wargames, and a bunch of other fiction around a really political plot. At the very least there's a Battletech 2018 game on Steam that might be a good way to dip your toes into the franchise. My dad and my friend are much more familiar with Battletech, I just played MechWarrior when it came out lol
I made a squad of tachikoma from ghost in the shell and they are weak.
I'll be honest, I'm contemplating getting a small Sisters of Battle Squad of the Order I'm workshopping, where they got Slaneeshed just enough to be a hedonistic polycule of trans lesbians with a recruitment tactic that references a webnovel, but with how shaky my hands are I do not feel confident in my ability to paint them.
Maybe one day. Gunpla until then.
It just registered in my head that your name is John. Do you happen to be a fisherman in your free time?
I am not, although I watch a lot of fishing content for some reason lol. I have a stepbrother who fishes a lot, but personally, I'm from more of a "spend all day crabbing by hand with my Asian family" kind of background
@@TheLichsLaboratory ah, was gonna make a Primus joke.
"Oh, you _are_ a fisherman? How'd you survive the storm?"
Crabbing's cool, though.
I can't paint,you ruined table top for me! thanks 😔😿