Sailing Upwind in 30+ Knots of Breeze
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- In this video we’re sailing upwind in 30+ knots of breeze in Johnstone Strait during the VanIsle360 race with a double-reefed main sail and #3 jib.
Lots of sails were destroyed in that leg, including the #3 jib we’re flying in the video.
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Been there done that many times in San Francisco… drop the traveler, put a reef in and put the J3 or J4 up (usually 3 if we have enough rail meat) and blast. It’s super fun when we throw the A4 up and are doing 15+ knots on a broad reach.
San Francisco is a great sailing venue with lots of breeze!!! J3 is my favourite headsail - easy to tack, boat performs very well, usually going pretty fast with it!
Yikes! Reef that headsail!
You mean the white boat we're filming? Not long after this video was taken it was reefed for them by means of ripping it in half!
@@SailingTipsCa I believe it! It looked like it was struggling.
@@TheFosterJourney Yes they definitely were overpowered!
Jest moc ❤
Re: that boat to leeward, ignoring that the traveller is not getting eased, the owner's brother-in-law is apparently steering, and the jib is not flat, ANYtime the main fills Before the jib a sailboat cannot possibly be anywhere near 'balanced'.
Thank You.
Cool that you recognise the boat! I recall they (the boat to leeward) had the jib roller furled and it didn't survive the leg without substantial damage.
@@SailingTipsCa ya, good eye. If that jib is partially furled it can be very difficult to de-power the top
I think a lot of boats were caught off guard by the conditions in that race. We had a #3 jib and a double-reefed main in this video and I wished we had a #4 jib instead.
CHOICE. 100%
Certainly a memorable day!
Seems like a relaxing sports
Yes it’s sailing all about sipping margaritas at anchor in the sunshine ;-)
Not a sport!
It is an addiction!
I got hooked on it in high-school, then, clean 40 years, I found my mom was doing sailboat. I've been doing it again ever since.
It's the best kinda stuff.
@@unstablenester941 That’s a good way to describe it!
Omg that looks so fun that some hiking for ya!
Definitely a memorable day!!!
Johnstone Strait never disappoints!
I know - it always seems to be like that up there!!!
I amazes me that human beings back in the day found themselves in precarious situations on the water with the threat if imminent death and thought "that was fun. Let's keep doing that"- and sailing was born.
LOL I think they more likely thought “We want to conquer that foreign land across the water and we need a way to get there!”
They also had enough sense to wait for a following breeze and a big square sail.
One boat is sailing in 30+ knots. Another boat is getting knocked down in 30+ knots.
Yes the boat getting knocked over destroyed their jib in that leg - really could have used a smaller one!
So emotional watching these
It was emotional being there too!!!
@@SailingTipsCawhy
@@NateColman We were breaking stuff and were less than half way through a 650 nautical mile race around Vancouver Island. For example we broke a jib sheet and ripped the head off our #3 jib so we didn’t have any spares left in case anything broke later in the race.
„Shit, i wetted my pants“ and push the tiller, then pulling the tiller and „No, no reefing“ and „shit! ….“ on and on. Must be fun on this boat. That moment, everybody on board would feel much better when „someone“ would speak up to take power out of the rigg. But it must be „someone“.
1. speak up when you think you (or „someone“) should
2. respect the skipper‘s decision.
And sometimes, small characters need a bit help. For those it is much easier to reef, BECAUSE of crewmen blabla‘s toughts and not because of his wet underpant 😏
We were using a #3 jib and double-reefed main and were much more in control than that other boat!!!
Love how he calls 30 knots a breeze 😂
LOL yes - but if I called it a gale there would be people saying "That's not a gale!!!"
Oh yes, I completely understand 😂@@SailingTipsCa
Can a 21-24 feet catamaran sail upwind in these conditions?
I’m sure some have tried it but I personally wouldn’t!!! Even the Formula 40 catamaran at the start line waited for the conditions to moderate a bit before joining the fleet. The boats in this video are 40-45 foot monohulls.
@@SailingTipsCa What about a trimaran, particularly foldable trimaran like a Corsair 880? How would that do? Is it completely unsafe or just very slow progress because you can't get very close to the wind? Also, what ultimately is stability in big swells like in those things? And in "emergencies" how are they downwind and are drogues useful as for monohulls? I would always be worried about the folding mechanism surviving a big pounding in the waves too.
@@winstoncat6785 I think trimarans are a bit more forgiving than catamarans in sporty conditions. I’ve sailed our F-82R in 30+ knots with reduced sail (e.g. double-reefed main, smaller jib) and it was fine, just be prepared to get wet and wear a dry suit. That said the sea state does have a larger impact on light multis than heavier monos because they have less momentum to punch through short steep waves. Longer waves are no problem. You really need to steer to the sea state. Sometimes sailing 5 degrees lower is much more comfortable and much faster than pointing as high as possible. A big problem with displacement or semi-displacement monos downwind in heavy conditions is being forced well beyond hull speed which can lead to loss of control, which is less of a problem in trimarans because the don’t have the same hull speed constraint. That said trailing lines or a drogue is still helpful to keep things manageable. I’ve never heard of a catastrophic folding mechanism failure, however some Corsair models have suffered bulkhead delamination inside the main hull adjacent to the folding mechanism due to inadequate tabbing. This is a relatively easy fix for anybody with composite skills, ideally before it happens!
Man that looks fun as hell!
That was definitely a memorable day!!!
It's not fun. I remember diving forward straight into the water.mast almost hit me in the head when I tacked
@@dancingcaulk2656 depends on your definition of fun
That depends on how overpressed with sailcloth you are 😂
30 knots true or apparent? Because they are not reefed. EDIT: yes, main is reefed
That was true - we were reading up in the 37-38 range for apparent wind! And that Genoa on the overpowered boat exploded shortly afterwards!
If 30 knots does this with big boats, ehat can it do with my Laser?!
I think a Laser might be a handful in that!
Just want generate some electricity from that wind powerful stuff
Yes there is LOTS of energy in the wind - the trick with electricity generation is you ideally need constant wind for long periods of time!
Beaufort Scale says it looks more like 20 knots
If you're looking at the sea state there isn't much fetch so the waves are smaller than they would typically be in this breeze with more fetch. But if you look at the amount of airborne spray you don't get that in 20 knots.
@@SailingTipsCa thx for the explanation
Definetely looks like 30
@@SailingTipsCa Looks like the spray is coming from the boat slamming into the waves. Is that the same as the spray coming from the crests? Or even 20kts of wind would make it airborne?
@@Makraska Definitely lots of spray coming from the boat in the waves, but also some from wave crests. We were seeing consistent apparent wind of 37-38 knots which corresponds to consistent true wind of ~30 plus gusts.
White boat would sail better if the sails were reefed and balanced. Would also steer better as well.
Yes they absolutely could have benefitted from a #3/#4 Jib in those conditions - their headsail was WAY to big and they wound up destroying it...
Shoulda used a Johnson reef on the grapple grommet.
@@unstablenester941 Yeah…now that you mention it LOL!
Hmm, pushing that rig and his crew too hard, the boat is overpowered, put a reef in somewhere and she would probably go quite a bit faster.
Definitely overpowered…and he actually destroyed that Genoa a bit later on the leg!
LOL reefing should be balanced. how's your helm?
Our helm was great, the other boat in the video not so much!!!
Imagine sailing a laser or even a 420 in that
That would be pretty “sporty”!!!
I've sailed lasers in almost 40. it's insanely fun but also sketch as hell
@@ludwigvonsiegfried6713 You would need some skills and other physical attributes for that!!!
@@SailingTipsCa oh yea for sure, it's not easy, but once you get that thing reaching it's the most amazing feeling ever... that is until you capsize
@@ludwigvonsiegfried6713 At least the “price” for capsize is lower than for a larger boat!
30kts+ is a gale, not a breeze
I think I initially used the word gale, but then a bunch of people complained with “That’s not quite a gale!”
I think 30 knots is a force 7, which on the Beaufort scale is described as "near gale." The additional apparent wind speed from sailing into it will definitely make it feel like a full gale though. :)
@@sauter1 The race committee had a “high wind threshold” of 35 knots above which they would not have started the leg. They actually delayed the start to wait for the wind to abate slightly to below 35 knots so it was very solidly in “near gale” territory if not a “slight gale”. The waves are smaller than they normally would have been in this wind because of the limited fetch, but there is still lots of spray!
We eventually ripped that #3 jib in half and had to go to storm jib: Sailing Upwind Under Storm Jib
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My Mac 26m would smoke these guys.
You mean the kind with the giant motor?
@@SailingTipsCa LOL Sarcasm
Okay ladies.. its time to get the pregnant ones to sit on the calm side
But not too pregnant…
I'm good😮
You’re good watching?