TRUE DETECTIVE Season 3 Ending Explained!
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- Опубліковано 24 лют 2019
- We take a deep dive into season 3 of True Detective and its puzzling ending as well as look at some of your big questions and theories.
Ending Explained: 0:28
Why Roland Remained Single: 9:59
How Did Amelia Die? 10:11
Who Killed Tom Purcell? 10:20
Connection to Season 1: 10:37
Was Wayne Dead the Whole Time? 10:54
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On her gravestone is written " "for giving aid to the lost", or something like that. In the final scenes, Wayne was lost. Literally. And she literally aided him.
Good pick up champ👍
Good catch
Oh wow so cool man... unfortuantely the season is still trash
i thought it was cos she had aids . that reminds me of the scene where the nuns are smiling at the grave. i think the were approving of their pun hahaha
Mashera did a super good job of acting like an old guy, from the physical movements to the confusion, BEAST
Mahershala*
It was honestly astounding how good of a job he did playing an old man. It was eerily believable. What a phenomenal actor.
Watch the scene again when he gets to Allegra lane. He remembers while he is drinking the water - music changes, facial expression changes, he makes the cognizant decision to let alone. He found her and was ok with it. He was done. This was so subtle and only able to be successfully done because of Ali's extraordinary acting ability. They didn't need to heavy hand it.
Thank you! I´ve spent like 12 min in this comment-section looking for this! It was so obvious... Why is´nt anyone talking about this? Even though it´does´nt prove that he remebers, but there absolutely is some sort of reaction.
Nahhh, why'd he give his son the note with Julie's adress then?
@@pijcab Probably to sell the story that he actually forgot why he was there in the first place. Or maybe he wanted his son to protect them if something happened ...
I think Wayne might not remember his cases, but he still remembers his heroic service in the Vietnam War, and the day he proposed to his wife, Amelia
I don't think that's what they were going for. TV shows are never that subtle. His forgetfulness was handled exactly the same way as when he really forgets. There was no cheeky nod to the audience, so to speak. And he wouldn't have given the address to his son.
Unlike the previous seasons which are about darkness and evil, this particular season is about loss, tragedy, and the crime isn't really grounded in something sinister. I liked it a lot.
Jarrett Mazza I caught this too. There’s something really interesting to be said about bureaucracy being mistaken for conspiracy too. The woman interviewing Wayne for the TV show creates all these half baked theories as to why the case wasn’t solved and how it may have been similar to Rust and Marty’s case. But the reality is far more tame than the dark conclusion everyone was expecting
@@JackHandysideMusicUK It was a great decision for this season, and the direction that it took was very surprising. I think Pizzolato's intentions were basically, everyone hated Season 2, everyone loved Season 1, and maybe I can use this, pretend like the conspiracy is similar, that will get everyone super-interested, which it did, and then take it in a very different direction, which it did as well. I also think it is a nice critique of the idea of family, and how losing family, in whatever way, can be monumentally damaging, as literally every character suffered from this throughout the series. I think Hoyt really emphasized this point, because, at the end of episode 7, you're expecting a dark man to emerge from the shadowy car, and instead, you're given a look at a grieving man who was clearly uninvolved from the get go, but is in immense pain. You also think that the parents of Lucy and Will are "bad", but they aren't either, neither is Harris James, or for that matter, Junius and Isabell. What Isabell did was wrong, and what Junius did was wrong, but they weren't "sick" or "deranged", just people who lost something and were doing whatever they could to get it back, much like Wayne in the jungle, the last scene which brings the show to a wonderful close.
Never thought of it like that but know that you mention it you are right. I always felt like this season was different
@@JarrettMazza nice bro. put that shit on imdb too :)
Jarrett Mazza beautifully said. I loved this season and was relieved it took the turn it did
Stephen dorff was amazing
I agree. Also liked Scoot McNairy in his final interrogation scene.
Word. Great role for him for sure.
Absolutely agree. He was phenomenal. The real standout star of this season
@@ashkurt8698 He's actually a solid actor. I like a lot of his performances, but none like this one. The thing about Dorff is he was typecast earlier on as the "bad boy-crunge type" and he tried to break free of it, but made a few really bad movies and this shook his career. His comeback is on the way, though. This show really showed people what he could do.
@@JarrettMazza i honestly didnt know he was such a great actor. I had seen a few of his past movies but really didnt notice him till now. It was a joy watching him give a tour de force of acting in this season. Im sad that it has ended. I wanted to see more of him as Roland West. I especially enjoyed the 'frankenstein monsters' bar fight. It was the only hilarious scene in the whole of season 3!😂
Roland with dog alone made me cry :,(
💔😭😭
I was definitely wiping away some tears. It reminded me of my childhood.
Season one set the bar too high
vietimports I agree, I think if they had done season 2 first then ppl would like it more. Pretty much everything will come second to season 1 it’s just so good
Yes I still dream about it it was so magical
Nah, it was just that mcconaughey was way too overrated for a year or two. I actually found season 2 to be the best because the story was the most interesting (both season 1 and season 3 have relatively simplistic stories).
season 3 was amazing! season 1 was omfg season 2 was good. the acting in season 3 was the best ever..... IMO
@@AnoNymous-dh2sv you and.... nobody else.
Wayne being dead is a dumb theory
Totally agree!
Loch121 exactly how would Wayne predict cell phones, laptops, and the Louisiana case in his head
A better theory is that True Detective season 3 is a TV show and season 1 was real life.That's why they reference season 1 as a real case.
There was 1 second during ep 8 when I thought they were gonna go that route, but then I realized they werent..I was pretty sure they werent just gonna copy Memento or Sixth Sense..
Very dumb
Ive heard people say Wayne does remember who she is and why he's there he just changes his mind and lets her be.
yES u can see at the end when he walked away.
It sucks that you "heard" or the rumor is...A show should end with solid closure where there are no questions or ambiguity. Season 1 ended in a solid way, no questions or rumors. Writers and creators have an obligation to end their shows with solid closure.
@@RumbleFish69 I gotta disagree with that opinion. Ambiguity is what breads discussion and let's audience members extrapolate their own meaning from a show, which can be more fulfilling than just having an answer given to you. Theorizing, and looking for the deeper meaning is something that can make a show greater, and more enjoyable. Similarly to how Wayne and Amelia discuss the poem about time and what it means early in the season. They both have ideas about the poem, but neither is really right or wrong. That kind of room for interpretation allows the audience to pull their own meaning from an art form. Authorial intent can often be shallow and unsatisfying in comparison.
Nah like Momento you can see the moment he forgets.if he just wanted to act like he forgot,he could have drove home?he had to get picked up because he really did forgot.he had no reason to act like he forgot to his kids who didn't know shit anyway.
@@RumbleFish69 season 1 left alot of unanswered questions lol and Sometimes open ended is a good thing
He goes into the jungle in the end because time is a flat circle. The show even made a point to have his past and future selves nearly interact, the door randomly moving, when he hears something while burning his suit, its all just greater connections to the theme of the entire series.
I think the obvious answer for Wayne going into the jungle at the end disappearing from view was his dementia finally overcoming him.
I think he did remember her and why he was there as he sipped the water. Remember when he told his son that there's no point in telling his wife( son's wife) that he was cheating on her as that would only be a relief for him from his guilt but a burden to her.
If he told Julie that he knew her, it would have been for his own sake, feeling of accomplishment, relief but she would be left paranoid that she had may be found and would have to move her family again. Also, there was a change in music as happens when he remembers and his eyes shifted and he gave her a weird look as he drank his water.
She also seemed to recognize him, perhaps intuitively like when you see someone you recognize but can't pin from exactly where or when.
All in all, great great performance from Mahershala. Super impressed!
really nice final analysis, totally agree!
Ali and Dorff were especially convincing as old men when we saw their characters walking. They did the old man walk perfectly.
Unfortunately i dont watch true detective to watch , "people walking slowly"
I’ve got another take on the ending: the last two scenes wrap everything up about Wayne’s main conflict in his life: he could have gone into the light living with his loved ones, but his obsession with being the hunter left him in the dark, like he never returned from Vietnam.
That's a good interpretation
He never left the jungle is what I took from it
damn i really like this take!
Great season, but why wouldn't Wayne not tell Roland that Julie is alive and well, he deserves that sense of peace as well so he knows killing Harris James was not for nothing
bird Cinema reviews Because he forgot his reason for going to Julie’s house. He didn’t even know who he was going there to see
@@RobertSmith-gn2he and who knows as Wayne will be telling about Julie to Roland after he recollects
it was implied in his eyes at the moment of drinking water. he had this recognition spark in his eyes. He recollects but decided to leave it be, not to tell anyone. he didn't even tell Roland when he found out. he went there by himself. [probably decided to let her be, leave the whole case be.
Who says he isn’t going to tell him, and he did not forget.
At the time it was just a theory, he went to the address to confirm it, probably would've told Roland after had he not forgotten.
The finale was great. I actually got teary eyed when Roland and Wayne were apologizing to Julie's grave. Stephen Dorff gave the best performance of his career in this season and while Ali is winning oscars I damn sure hope Dorff gets a resurgence of roles due to the amazing job he did here. The same goes for Skoot McNairy (he was so great as the grieving father and I felt his pain so much).
Totally agree with you. Stephen Dorf is the real standout star of this season, not Ali. Dorf was simply phenomenal as Roland West and i loved the way he delivered his lines in that bar fight. The acting too was perfect in that scene. What a actor he is!
Same! And I've always hated Steven Dorff, but I absolutely loved him in this role. He was my favorite charactee by far.
That scene where he's just broken and the dog comes up to him... 😭😭😭
Mahershala gets an Oscar the same night as this fantastic finale! Loved it!
This finale sucked. Like unjustifiably sucked. It worked on a character level but it ended up being a huge build up for a big let down
@@tylong6382 That explains how he looked at each of them so intently while he was drinking, intensive and a somewhat eerie look filled with precise objective.
ty long yawn.
Koonfoopanda Koonfu Exactly. I think when he was in the car he actually did forget where he was, but then when they handed him the water he remembered again. Like I already said, nothing good would’ve come from Wayne asking Julie about her past so he did the right thing and went on with his life
Rahul Surajith Lmao you prolly watch Flash and Arrow on CW my guy please get out of this comment section
That cameo of Rusty and Marty was amazing, made me expect a reunion at the end of the season.
It made me jump out my seat tho 😂😅😂
That was unnecessary
@@genetenz it was a 5 second reference lol have a day off
@@genetenz it was nicely placed
Rusty's dad served in Vietnam; I wonder if he knew Wayne.
This was a good season of True Dick. Also, that's not a blurry image, Tom Purcell was clearly killed by the dirty cop.
Oh yeah, definitely, after he found the pink room.
I also enjoy true dick
Not a good season in my opinion. Not a shocking end either. What would have been really good is if we found out that Tom actually did kill himself! Sure, it's implied that Harris found him in the pink room, but during Harris's death beating, they should have had him reveal that he let Tom go after he beat him up and that he later killed himself. That was the problem with this show, everything was predictable. I thought the end would be Wayne finding out that his wife was involved in order to create a story for her book. She had a "messed up" period in her life and she never seemed quite normal. It should have been revealed that his son also solved this and Roland also had suspicions so he moved into seclusion years earlier. There were so many ways they could have gone. And why introduce the idea of a pedophile ring and introduce Rust and Marty if they weren't going to make an appearance?
@@RumbleFish69 How was it predictable when there were a million theories that were going on during the season? Stop making up stuff...
He committed suicide
The "Wayne being dead theory" is utter nonsense. 😂😂
yea thats BS ... laziness
Lol not sure why the video creator mentioned that theory
This theory gets thrown at every single show/movie that contains metaphysical elements... I thought they were being sarcastic at the beginning of the video. This is braindead.
Roy Keane 🤣
Stephen dorff displayed his best work portraying roland. I was more impressed with his character than ali.
Trey Cato yeah, i dont get the fascination with that guy, he was just ok
I'm impressed with both, but Ali deserved better recognition. His potrayal has been consistently good that we no longer appreciate his play as the season goes on. Dorff's character however has room for improvement, that's why everyone suddenly feels like his potrayal was better. Not saying Roland isn't awesome though!
Ali killed his role your trippin stephen dorf was a good supporting actor can’t take away from the main character
I agree. Dorff gave the best performance of his entire career.
Both were terrific with a solid chemistry but nothing and no one will ever compare with Harrelson and McConaughey.. ever
The last scene to me shows hays folding into himself and moving to the afterlife as the dementia fully takes hold.
Daniel Kollner naw
All of a sudden he's back in Nam. A full reset - where like you said, the dementia fully takes hold.
All he has left are those jungles where he spent his time alone and afraid. Hunting while being hunted. Super sad
*Harris taking over as president, as Biden moves into full demented state after 17 days in office*
**images of old man Biden in his boxers roving the Oval Office lawn whilst Secret Service chase him to Benny Hill soundtrack**
@@thomasrichards3760 lol
If he was dead the whole time, I do not think they would have bothered in developing Rolland as much as they did.
Season 4 should be just Rolland and his dogs.
Michael O True detective is an anthology series. Season 4 will have nothing to do with this story. It will be completely different plot lines and characters. They've already done this three times. Are you a dumbass who doesn't pay attention?
Don of the Righteous I think youre the dumbass here bruh. This dude was obviously not seriously suggesting a season about a dude and his dogs. ‘‘Twas a joke dumbass. r/whooosh
Don of the Righteous you’re a dumbass who can’t comprehend a very obviously jokingly sounding comment.
@@donoftherighteous5205 Holy shit you're fucking fun at parties bro. This level of buzzkillingtonness is unacceptable. Get the stick out of your tight little ass.
I had some very strange takes from this season. At first I thought the "tv girl" was Julie, and she was pressing Hays because she didn't have any memories of what happened and wanted to use him to figure it out. Then I thought that Roland was simply "playing along" and that he had actually done all of this investigative work with Hays before, and Hays just didn't remember it, and he was doing it over and over just to help his friend cope with his illness.
that’s shutter island .
The whole time I was watching that episode I kept telling myself “ok there’s X amount of time left in the episode, they can still fit an Season 1-style actual meaningful climax in, or at least a Rust and Marty cameo...shit it’s over already”
hahah season 1 set the bar too high huh m8? xD
Totaly agree bro ........
Season 1 story was really bad actually.It was the characters that made it good
The cinematography and production value and action scenes were better in season 1 but story is no doubt way better in season 3, season 1 story didnt really age well
Arslan Sanaullah hows it not aged well, it’s still amazing. Much better then season 3 with its dogshit anticlimactic ending
I like to think that at the moment when Wayne remembers the night he reconciled with Amelia, that his dementia was taking full form. That night and the memory when he walks back into the jungle are the last memories to "die". Pretty much at that moment when the camera pulls in he has reached the final stage of his condition. That his mind is shutting down.
Two best detectives couldn't locate a black man with a bad eye is unbelievable.
lol... in rural arkansas ..lol
They did find him tho'
they're not even the best detectives around. Roland himself said there's better detective around than Wayne but decided to stick with him.
The whole season are filled with clues being overlooked, people of interest not properly checked etc etc. These guys aren't as good as detective as Rust and Marty
The maid for the Hoyt estate mentioned later in the season that the basement was pretty much off limits and quarantined from the rest of the house (I.e. around the time Julie arrived). So it’s likely that Junius didn’t interact much with the outside world. Besides, the case was shut down shortly after it began and Wayne was transferred to a totally different unit in the 1980 timeline. And by the time they could’ve found Junius in the 1990 timeline, the case was shut down yet again and Wayne’s family was threatened.
@@zul2788 facts rust and Marty are the true OGs
The resilience, the perseverance, sometimes the arrogance, and the constant flashbacks made Wayne Hays a TRUE DETECTIVE.
Rubbish. If he was indeed a True Detective, he wouldnt have dropped the case and leave the force in 1990. And also in 2015, they still didnt really solve the case as they basically had the entire comical and lame story told to them (Hays and Roland) by a old one eyed man aka cyclops. And to top off the silliness of the entire story, Amelia appears as a ' force ghost' to tell Hays the untold story of Julie after she went to live with the nuns at the convent. So seriously, you call all this nonsense 'True Detective'? The Amelia ' force ghost' revelation part made me cry out laughing! WTF!
@@tylong6382 there is absolutely no way in hell that that pathetic old man Hays could have figured out that the lawnmover guy waa the boy who was in love with Julie, or that the nuns had lied to him, or that the lawnmover guy and Julue got married. There waa absolutely no clues whatsoever that this is what had actually happened and that Julie was still alive and well. Everything you said is utter nonsense
@@ashkurt8698 The force was trash. all they ever did was look for a dead body to pin cases on and they NEVER listened to him. His life and marriage got much better when he left and that is what matters
How many years was Junius Watts waiting outside Wayne's house??
Ha. I wondered the same. No doubt he had heard that the doc crew was looking into the case again, but still... he was just parked there every night for weeks trying to "work up the nerve" to go knock on the door?
@@Raketemensch-fl3sv I would not know how a 1 eyed chicken farmer would learn about a documentary crew doing a story on the Purcell's. He didn't seem too internet savy. Did he get a mail? Was it in the news? This was 18 years after he stopped looking for Julie. There just does not seem a decent explanation for him being there at that time.
+@@iwilfix9407
I've been out of the country for a while now, but don't even chicken farmers have smartphones nowadays? Seems like i'm the only one without one.
Sure it does seem a little far fetched, but i'm saying even being willing to suspend my disbelief and assume he had some google alerts or whatever about the case, it's *still* weird that he was parked there so many nights.
@FEAR The Walking Don So every year, for 18 years, Junius Watts decides to sit outside Wayne's house, pondering whether to knock on the door and come clean??? And Watts waited outside Wayne's house several nights in a row, enough for Wayne to notice ONLY this time around?? . Ever since the Hoyt motorcade parked outside Wayne's house, Wayne would be checking for out of place things around his house. Do not forget that his demeanor is one of paranoid suspicion and fear for the lives of his wife and children. If the same strange car parked around Wayne's house for several days every year for 18 years, Wayne should have then noticed much earlier, run the plates or confront the driver, who was a ONE EYED BLACK MAN. In fact, if Watts had done that for 18 years, anyone else in the neighborhood would have spotted him and call the police.
In an attempt to deviate from S1, this season fell into absurdity witt the whole Junious confession. It was a copout way of wraping things up.
Everyones acting was superb. Hays, West, Mr. Purcell, Mrs. Purcell etc. It was believable and you would think that they were real people. Also like the plot swerve at the end making you believe it had something to do with the Pedo Ring, Yellow King etc. It was still twisted but not how viewers thought it would be.
Agreed. Twisted. And the acting was great!!
Character development and story telling at its finest
I thought about the ending for a long while, with Wayne waking into the jungle, and have my interpretation of it in which I'm very satisfied with. His final memory he has of his life was the one which he asked his love to marry him and it is nice because he spent so many years haunted with the mystery which not only consumed him but caused so much drama with his wife. He ceases to exsist as he knows it after we see this memory and his walking into the jungle is symbolic for him slipping fully into alzheimer's. I thought at first he might have died but then connected him alone in the vast jungle as his battle with his disease. I think this is a little foreshadowed with the daughters comment about already missing him. Wayne's son still has the location of Julie so ultimately he will become aware his father found what he was looking for. Wayne's story arch is complete at this point. Once this all settled with me I liked the finale just fine. Good season.
10:38 I actually appreciated the red-herring connection to Season 1 - or the reference, the misdirection, and to show that terrible things don't necessarily all fit into 1 box.
The name Junius is far more ancient than 17th century England. The name "Junius" comes from the Roman family the Junii, who are remembered for their two most famous members. First, Lucius Junius Brutus, who in 509 BCE helped with the expulsion of the Roman King Tarquin, and who after helped establish the Roman Republic. The second famous member, and the one people are most familiar with today, would of course be Marcus Junius Brutus. As a member of a conspiracy of the senators who self-styled themselves the "Liberators" Marcus Junius Brutus participated in the successful assassination of Gaius Julius Caesar. The act alone achieved him immortality but Shakespeare certainly helped Brutus with his famous plays. Though he is best remembered as Brutus, for our purposes it we should remember his family name Junius.
Thank you for your insight 👍
The acting was superb. Mahershala is gifted and Stephen coming back from along time away from the screen showing these yung uns how it done. He needs to be in more movies I demand it.
The plot though thinks it smarter than it actually is.
Loved this season of True Detective! It was like solving a puzzle with the different time lines. Interesting and satisfying ending!
Yes, so much better than season 2 in my opinion.
Solving a puzzle? What did they exactly solve? Nothing at all. There was no real proper detective work done by the 2 lead characters. And they didnt solve anything. They had the entire story told to them by a cyclops! Its a pathetic final episode and very badly written story/plot overall. So many unnecessary scenes especially the pointless and drawn out personal relationship issues between Hays and Amelia
It was given away what happened in episode 3 when you saw the picture of isabelle in hoyte foods it wasnt a challenge at all and it is vastly overrated
Ash kurt, PERFECTLY said. Shit was basically a soap opera with a Orwell vibe lol.
@@ashkurt8698 right. How did his wife die what happened to hoyt I'm sure he died but how did he live in later years. Wanted to see his son confirm that it was July etc
I loved this Season. It felt like the first "happy ending" on a season of True Detective.
some1 didnt watch season 1
The Revolution Will Not Be UA-camd it wasn’t exactly a “happy” ending
Wasn’t a sad one either
Which is very true Detective
The Revolution Will Not Be UA-camd but what about season 1 when it ended on this optimistic quote by Rust Cohle, “Once there was only dark. If you ask me, the lights winning.” I’d say that Season 1 ended on a pretty ‘happy’ note.
@@jofall91 they caught the mascot of the cult of satanists
they even said something along the lines of "well, we caught ours" but the yellow king and the whole cult was still operating
but yeah, happy note lol
@@KurtX16 They publish an article explaining everything, which even do doesn't get anyone convicted, does increase the distrust towards the local church and also stops them from keeping on with all the rituals. Also, they took over one of their main leaders and probably the most active one, Childress wasn't a random lunatic in the cult.
Rust final quote doesn't mean light is completely filling up the night sky, even Marty points that, the sky is still full of darkness, yet there's always light to stop it from taking over completely.
Season 1 dealt with a decaying world, which is also the pessimistic vision Rust had from the beginning of the series, but in the end, he finds out there's always some good in the world to stop that decay, which is analogous to how him and Marty stopped the cult. It's not only a good ending for both of the characters, but it's also an extremely optimistic one for sure (Even relying on the audience looking at the bright spots in the ending), which really contrast with all the pessimistic ideas the season dealt throughout.
Even the line you cited is a pretty optimistic one, as they acknowledge many of the cult members are still free but they're happy they did some good by stoping the one they were looking for and exposing the whole conspiracy.
one, I believe he remembered julie but he likely forgot from where or why he was even looking for her.
From the framing and editing it's implied he recognizes her or at least partly does and coincidentally it was after drinking water. Possibly triggering his recent discovery of how julie was given lithium in her drinks.
two, the last scene was not a happy one but dark ominous one. It was not him saying goodbye to his past but him being stuck in it. The cycle repeats.
"When you can’t remember your lives, you can’t change your lives, and that is the terrible and the secret fate of all life. You’re trapped, by that nightmare you keep waking up into."
-Rust Cohle/True detective season 1
Wayne is a perfect character to be a detective. It seemed to me his life after the war was solely dedicated to his work and finding the answers. He never seemed comfortable doing anything else like being able to take the kids to Walmart or relaxing with them when he gets home from work. He was always about the case.
First of all, thanks for doing this.
Secondly, please go get your eyes checked. It’s time for a new prescription if you can’t tell that was Harris James standing behind Tom Purcell in “the pink room.”
Finally, Roland never had a wife. Lori was a girlfriend.
Oh also, you completely missed the point of the connection to season 1 and the documentary storyline. You’re disappointed because you ARE the Elisa. Elisa and the documentary is a stand-in / metaphor / symbol for the True Detective fanbase. All the redditters coming up with webs of conspiracy theories and ways to connect it to season 1 and some grand interconnected cover-up and conspiracy. Always trying to outsmart the show itself. That was a brilliant nod from Nic Pizzolatto. Total red herring but for a reason. That threw 99% of viewers off the scent and most of us assumed the mystery had already been revealed and the finale was just going to tie up some loose ends. Certainly not the case once we get the story from Junius Watts (Mr. June... & Mary July). Beautiful ending.
Brett Rosenfeld you’re intense.
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chill KAREN
@@martingranados7974 I’m a Karen because you don’t understand a fictional TV show? Hahaha
Brett Rosenfeld you’re a karen cause you’re bitching and complaining about someone’s opinionative video and if you really want to correct his opinion go make a video about your thoughts
First of all wayne did remember why he went to julies house . You can see how his eyes spark when he drinks the water . He just didnt want to mess her life . He didnt even tell roland about this .
On the other hand the vietnam scene was metaphorical. It meant that just like as a tracker he always found the way to the end . And he did the same to this case
P.S. what a wonderful season . What a great company it really was . I liked that it didnt have that much darkness as the previous seasons and that it was focused on the everyday normal life . It was like i was living there too !!! Hope season 4 will be just as good!!!
i think the very last scene was suppose to imply the peace and tranquility of the moment with the family was over. Instead of usual mental lapses where he goes to periods after his time in the war, he is regressing to his time in a warzone, which will undoubtedly trigger a fearful reaction that the family will have to deal with.
Its almost like its his Karma. The girl he failed to save will be ok, but he doesnt get to know it and he will continue to suffer for it.
I don't know; the part where he stayed by chance to get a drink -- you could see the memory come back to him and his realization as his eyes widened while he was drinking.
@@Nuke-China nah man. He was blank. His forgot his reason for being there.
His son does still have her addy though, so someone may still learn the truth eventually.
I think Wayne dies in the end, with his family and partner, the scene in the bar where he sobers us and decides to marry Amelia being probably the most precious memory he's searching for and walking in to the white light.. Also the scene in the jungle is metaphorical I guess.. Where he finally gets lost..
This is from the show's creator on Esquire, "but I don't believe he remembered who she was. I believe there was some kind of look and a hint of remembering what he was doing there and then it passed".
He doesnt remember. Even in the show he gives his son the address. If Wayne wanted to leave her be then he would just throw it out.
I deduced at the end of his visit to Julie's new family, Wayne suddenly awoke to who she was and immediately decided to keep his identity and purpose to himself, in order to let her continue her life as it had turned out.
Why did Henry keep the sticky note with Julie's address? Do you he think he will do anything with that info?
Great question. From Henry's reaction to the address, I believe he knew where Julie Purcell was the whole time. It would also explain why he had his father do that show, so that he could throw any trails leading to Julie off.
It will definitely tie into season 4
It's a nod to one of the themes of the season and the show. Story's never end. History repeat it self. The point is to give the sense that maybe his son will investigate the note. Maybe he'll give it to Elise. What he will do with it is not as important as the fact that the story isn't over.
I think Henry will keep the note for himself. Remember Wayne made his son to promise he'd check again Julie's case, so the address was a clue so Henry could put her and her family under protection.
@@Nophotofound great point, I think you are right.
I particularly enjoy the success seasons one and two had with taking common Lovecraftian themes like futility, nihilism, cults & inhuman monsters but presenting them in a very grounded reality. While Rusts presentation of visions was handled via synthesia and a history of drug abuse Season 3's Hays plays with the concept of time via dementia. Both men have figuratively looked into the abyss and struggle with sanity after that fact.
"Time is a flat circle"
Like a Blu Ray. Of True Detective Season 1.
Absolutely loved this season. Casting was incredible. Ali was fantastic, and what a comeback for Doriff. Best season in my opinion.
I felt betrayed after investing so much time and energy watching the other episodes. The giveaway of info by Junius was too easy. No shootout? No confrontation? Super anticlimax. Very unnecessarily so despite any argument for artistic device. It just doesn't match the intensity of the series.
I thought I was the only one who felt this way! Overall it was good but felt like a lot of things were missing.
yea..felt a huge drop in momentum that drove the story when he just gave away all the details of the murder...
Completely agree
I think Junius was lying and they were just willing to believe it.
It doesn't have to have any closure for it to be a good ending. What I respected from the writing in this season was the subjective view on life which seems to never even have a proper ending. It just ends which is what it most audacious to us as viewers but it serves as a reflection on life ever ending the way we would like for it to. The first season even touched on this subject. I personally like this kind of endings. Inside Illweyn Davis and No Country for Old Men are similar in this regard as well but obviously do it to a more successful extent.
How didn't Wayne notice that there was a scuffle in front of the cave? I mean He was a tracer, yet couldn't see the traces of two grown ups? Or did I miss it when He did?
goog point
Yep
True Detective is my favorite show, all seasons. However, I feel like we deserved more at least in terms of the thing that kicked it all off. "Just an accident" (and the thing itself) was pretty cliche and a big cop out. The all slow-motion depiction of what pretty anyone could have guessed would happen is what I mean. I'd have given anything to see one bad guy get blown away in the finale. While I thought it was good, I'd be lying if I said I didn't want more. The fans came up with the best endings for it, the whole anti-climactic Michael Rooker appearance was disappointing, less a few lines, and the fact that the primary bad guy was already dead was, well... a popcorn fart tbh. Nic P. could've done more with Harris James, and he at least could've helped us better understand Tom, and so forth. Heck, how many times did they drop the "Who's Julie's father?" thing, only to totally ignore it towards the end. I haven't rewatched it yet, but I'm guessing (?) Tom killed Dan O'Brian, although where he was found would contradict that. S3 had a bit different pace, which is fine, because the temporal aspects gave us a different type of story entirely; yet, the final episode felt hurried and rushed. Mixed emotions, I guess.
my feelings exactly
Totally. The whole kid napping thing in the last ep, this brand new suspect - some woman who’s nuts and thinks Julie is her daughter- felt like a copout. You spend all season analyzing these EPs and "who done it" theories, only for the conclusion to be a story no one watching could ever have guessed. I realize this could happen in real life, sure. But on TV, the thrill of these types of shows comes from the audience trying to figure out who took her...thinking that the evidence was always there. But it wasn't. And that was a disappointment. They pushed the red herring paedophile ring theory way too hard ...only for the story to turn out not having anything whatsoever to do with that theory. Hope this makes sense.
@@SlothLoveChunk14 Perfect sense. We're on the same page! I love and appreciate the show, but I can't really ignore how we got robbed, and by some popcorn fart on top of it xD Next one will be better adn S3 did give us some of what we were hungry for.
TS, you’re like the CliffsNotes of tv series’ only way more enlightening and entertaining. The fact hat you don’t have more subscribers is just flat out wrong. Keep up the great work.
Wayne NOT TAKING Roland with him to Allegra Lane (Julie and Mikes house) was the out-of-character, immersion killing, moment for me.
There is no reason Wayne wouldn't have mentioned the theory to Roland as soon as he could. He had done so before out of fear of forgetting, demanded attention even.
Roland would've cruised with him despite the seemingly out of the blue hunch his dead wife told him (Wayne had already told Roland he sees his dead wife so, he isn't in fear of being judged or what not).
Absolutely killed the tone and immersion of the two, and the whole story.
Two detectives totally intertwined became; "Nah man I'm going solo on this one despite my memory being that of a goldfish and I know this".
Also, why would he write just the address? Couldnt afford the extra lead on the pencil to write "Julie lives at.."
Bit of a shame. Like the writers went out of their way to do the Tony Soprano-Schroedinger "twist thing".
Agreed. It's also established from the very first episode that he records voice memos for himself to keep track of things. Why didn't he do it this time around, for such a big theory that suddenly struck him out of nowhere? Because he got too excited? Like, really? There had been plenty of other clues he had stumbled across up until that point that would've been way more justified to have him get too excited about the circumstances to forget recording, but there had been no indication of that earlier in the entire season and all of a sudden his character trait of being very careful and forward thinking about his bad memory is just completely dropped. Talk about having a show stumble at the finish line. They were doing SO well with this season up until this last episode!
I think the freakiest part of it all is how Wayne's wife had the truth written in a PUBLISHED NOVEL FOR YEARS.. down to the characters real names & or aliases .. no one noticed & we don't know what happened to her.. ????
understand the point, but he's old and finally found her. acted quickly and perhaps out of character. wayne was always a little more wrapped up in the case than roland.
@@hecate76 yola u r feminist
From a viewer's perspective the theory sounded like a longshot to begin with, the thoughts of an elderly man with a condition not able to pull himself out of the case and his imagination drumming up ideas yet at the same time wondering (the viewer) could this actually be what's happening, and it felt set up like this intentionally. I honestly didn't know which way it was going to go and that was quite a pleasant experience.
All this to say is that 1. I agree with the comment above that acting impulsively and quickly on this revelation of possibly finally finding their girl is believable and 2. I immediately thought after seeing the conclusion of Wayne's theory with the points I made above (Wayne's mental condition, obsession to keep digging) that there is no way Roland would go for this. Seriously could you imagine Roland's face if Old Wayne was telling him all that?
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I must say, what you put in 11 minutes of this episode was better then some reviews I seen that was 30 minutes or longer. Awesome review man! My favorite line in this episode was the part when after the one eye guy had said he helped julie escape, Rolland then says "well that was mighty heroic of yah, you cyclops motherfucker " XD but over all I think it was a great season and a awesome episode
So here.
I’m down for Special Seniors Unit being a actual show with older detectives solving cold cases.
Ageism is Rad!
This was an underwhelming outcome. A season full of red herrings was akin to a "it was all a dream" ending.
Sounds like a case of "It wasn't the ending I wanted, therefore it was bad" to me...
@@curtislemansky8391 What was the ending you wanted?
It was the very definition of 'anticlimax'
mikeylongshanks horrible? I guess we were watching something else.
mikeylongshanks I think it was pretty good but hey
For me, the scene of Vietnam is Wayne going back to live alone, paranoid and in the dark 'cause his dementia. Time is a flat circle.
I think Wayne acted like he was lost when he came upon Julie's home, for the same reasons you mentioned about not kindling the memories of her past, seeing her being happy.
This ending was more satisfying than both that preceded. Rust learned a leasson in first and 2nd had crushing wheel continue over life, and in this one a was a story of healing and redemption that has more positive feel. Not perfect but was a great return to form.
@Odins Spear yeah I couldnt even get past the 3rd episode. It is excrutiatingly boring! The first and second were far better.
@@HomerMr500 its true. The first and second season were far better.
I like to think that Wayne has "found" Julie multiple times just can't remember so he's solved the case over and over
Crazy how it was like a misunderstanding that lead to the boys death and for 20 years almost it was a mystery as to what happened and it was a accident that lead to the death of everyone. The trash man woodrow and the guys he killed, Tom, his wife, the uncle. It was just one big misunderstanding of a very weird crime that lead into a huge storyline. Great season. Nothing will beat season 1 but this was great
Blown away by so many performances in this season. Thanks for helping clarify some of my questions about the ending.
I loved the ending of this season i actually started freaking out at my tv when he forgot why he was at her house that was happy that she was still alive but very tragic that he never realized it. I hope if they do a 4th season they might tie all the other seasons into one story I doubt it but it would still be fun. Dang now I want to rewatch season 1 in my opinion probably the best season
Hole in the kids room wall storyline: Pointless
Wife's storyline: Pointless
Hoyt appearing in the last episode: Pointless
Hole in the kids bedroom indicated someone was peeping when it was really about the kids being secretive and exchanging notes about there secret meetings. Hoyt was clearly a pillar of that town and had more than enough pull. None of this was pointless, like much of the audience including myself, you expected something sinister. This was a very valuable season.
this season literally gave me chills and now i gotta watch season 1 again to relive the experience
Hated the ending. Could have done so much more. They hinted at some sort of connection to season 1 when the woman interviewing Wayne referenced the events back then. That would have been awesome. They spent the entirety of season 3 building things up as some sort of big conspiracy, similar to season 1. Then they were like "lol nah jk." The idea they went with for the ending just did not have the payoff i was expecting.
The interview chick was basically a self-insert for the viewer. Trying to pry into the case and tie it back to some massive conspiracy, possibly link it to the events of the first season.
I actually really liked the ending. The events were logical and fit into all the evidence presented. It was actually pretty realistic in the way that it didn't tie into some massive conspiracy like the first two seasons.
Until I did the math on the years, I guessed that the interview chick WAS Julie. The actress playing her is a big up and coming actress, it seemed a safe bet to assume she played a larger role in the show. But it seems the hiring of that actress was another red herring itself.
The conspiracy might still be there, but the Season 3 ending didn't require it in the least, nor could the two main characters realistically do anything about it by themselves. The threads are there, but it's up to someone else to carry on and do the work.
So the main antagonist is isabelle hoyte who we never even really see and who dies b4 her role is uncovered...fucking blah😟
Its a red herring. Crazy cult/sex ring was too on the nose
Let's be honest. If Rust and Marty worked this case it would have been solved a lot sooner.
Just finished watching. This season reminds me so much of season 1.
Seemed like the episode was wrapping up at the midpoint, so I was tensed up when I saw how much time was left (and the eerie music playing throughout an otherwise mundane scene).
Started theorizing all sorts of things. "Did the uncle play a larger part in the kidnapping? Who offed hm? Who was the documentary lady seeing? Why was Wayne's daughter not visiting him?"
Excellent review and analysis!
He finally got his closure by meeting Julie and her daughter, a TRUE DETECTIVE. now he can finally be with his children in peace.
Roland didn't.
PTSD from Vietnam. I took the final scene of him in Vietnam that he never left there mentally. I don’t think he died because the scene where the NVA stood over him at home is more of PTSD paranoia. He pushed hard to save the girl to fix what he did in Vietnam. Some vets have difficulties balancing family life after returning from war, and they engross themselves in work to get back to “normal”
Love this guy!!!! As usual breaking down the episode in bite size pieces. 🤗😏😘
A lot has been shown that has no real meaning to the story but it tells the story move vividly and there are a lot of questions that can be answered in different ways. But the truth reveals itself to be not as spectacular as the theories. The hole in the wall, the way the boy's body was left in the cave, the 911 phonecall from Julie to name a few. I liked the combo of West and Hays and their struggle with the case that binds them through eternity. In the end there are no mysteries just missed opportunities. And a lot of subtext to read into. It's not a tv dinner kind of show. I like the way it keeps lingering in my mind. Great season!
Episode 7 had my panties in a goddam KNOT as he headed to that car.
As soon as the episode starts off with him and hoyt and Hoyt is just a drunk unkempt guy I knew the ending was going to be anti climactic.
I thought that car ride was going to be soooo high stakes and intense and it was just completely unthreatening and useless.
I would have rather had the Hoyt deal be a child molestation circle connected to the first season but it was just some other watered down story.
yeah i was waiting and hoping for it to be connected to the tuttle foundation from season 1 . that would of kicked ass
Well maybe he is connected, but Hoyt just didnt tell a word to Purple. I mean if you can make a creepy room for a fucked up wife. Then steal a child with the help of multiple People. I think people forget Purple and Roland werent even suspecting a bigger conspiracy at the time of the investigations. But it depends on the later seasons I guess.
Thanks for Jacob's Ladder spoiler, never watched it, but was planning to watch it sometime.
SAME. I was like, wtf? Lol.
It's a 29 year old movie.
Jonny B there are still some people who hasn’t watched star wars original trilogy and would consider vader being lukes father a spoiler so...
Umm. Thanks for spoiling Star Wars...
@@mrgorgun81 You dont get to call out “spoiler!” for a movie that is many decades old. Nor is it anyone’s responsibility to avoid spoiling such an old movie. It’s your fault for not watching it.
Very interesting. Thanks for making this.
i felt that rolands one flaw was his lonelyness, when the dog came to him in one of his most lonely moments, he realized that that void could be filled another way... this is also why he basically begs wayne to stick with him... and probably why his relationship with his girlfriend didn't work out, because he was so paranoid of her leaving him.
Just finished the third season, fucking amazing. I kept trying to outsmart the series by trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together, by the end I was left with my jaw touching the floor.
On a separate note, I love the nod to the first season on the little cameo. Made it all that much more satisfying.
Nino1911Brown yeah it was great wasn’t it 7+ hours only to find out Will Purcells death was a accident. Brilliant
10:38 personally I thought the reference to season 1 was genius. Like Cohle remarks in the final episode, “it’s all ONE STORY man: light vs dark”, True Detective at its essence is about the abuse that the powerful inflict on the powerless, especially those in positions of institutional privilege. The Hoyt family is allowed to simply get away with abducting an killing children just like the Tuttles were, and thus the comparison that Elisa draws between the two cases is apt. It doesn’t need to be a direct connection (eg. that the Hoyts were involved in the same pagan cult as the Tuttles), it just needs to be about the message
Awesome season. Some of the best television I've ever seen and great analysis!
Awesome explanation!!
I think this is actually a pretty dark ending. I see nothing to indicate that things are better other than being reunited with his family. In his last moments we see him regressing to another past memory with Amelia (albeit important) the show doesn’t end with them walking into the light together. We see Wayne deeper in the jungle, why assume he’s on his way out? As far as I can tell he’s completely lost, just like when he found Julie. The case was solved in a sense, but Wayne is never getting out of that jungle.
and music was creepy whole reunion time somehow
I noticed this alot too. The entire time It was showing us closure but it had music that was dark and creepy. It was sinister the whole time and made me second guessif w hat we were seeing was actually a lie or about to be revealed as something horrible. @@tekiero
Great review of True detective season 3 special seniors unit 🖖✌️
Thanks for the breakdown
Great work!
season 2 was good...what was so confusing about the ending?..nothing to see here.
as a man once said while smashing a beer "time is a flat circle"
Alright alright.....you know the rest
Just finished giving s3 a rewatch & was able to fully appreciate Ali & Dorff’s performances.
Great job sir !!
There was literally a scene where a character just explains what happened. Sandwiched somewhere between an interminably long restaurant argument about the same shit for the 6th time and a lifetime re-enactment of Will's death for some reason.
Not salty :)
yep
just whole plot told by some not even evil-minded guy, and more relationship crap
not to mention they just beat up and kill the guy who is the entire case instead of figuring out some clever way to get him, real bozo shit
I think it had amazingly written side roles whole way through but the main characters were without personality until episode 5. I was sort of relieved they turned the story positive. And I liked that they let One-eye behind rather than answer to everything with violence. But I also feel that ironically Hays' son taking the paper means that he will become burdened with what's in that address and becomes like his parents, obsessed with the case. The only thing that confused me was the jungle ending and this told me nothing about it. (Edit) I know ptsd but was it just him coming to terms with it and being more okay with facts and how his reality was gonna be or something else...
Thanks for the video. I was unsure on a few things of this season, but it was good to watch this and see I was right about most of it. I actually liked this season the best of the whole series.
Rolands bar fight gave me flash backs of Fight Club especially the dog part after
Why did everyone hate season 2 so much, I really liked it, especially Colin Farrell
@Xavi Campoverde I believe Colin’s death was stupid too but his character was awesome he played it really well
I think in some way Wayne realized why he was there but decides to leave Julie alone and the decision to solve the case to his son. Or maybe he decided to forget everything about the case. In either way he can leave all the case behind since in the end he reconciled with his deep identity: being the hunter. That’s why the season wraps up with him in Vietnam looking at the camera: “Now you see me, now I am found”
Solve the case? What are you talking about?? There is absolutely nothing to solve. The whole story has already been explained to Hays and Roland by the one eyed cyclops. They didn't do any jackshit detective work at all . Old man Hays fimally found Julie after being told of her whereabouts by a freaking ghost/Amelia. Hilarious!!
Ash Kurt
1) the case is still open formally as there was no official investigation. Wayne & Roland acted just by themselves. The son might be the official policeman who solves it all.
2) Amelia was not a deus ex machina, it was just a representation of Wayne’s mind. He was just putting the pieces together, which was quiet easy at that stage.
Beautifully explained.
*Thank you!*
I took the ending as Wayne finally losing his mind since he's walking into the light with his wife and then further into the jungle
I was very disappointed in the finale. I wanted a deeper conspiracy
yea same here, it turned out to be more of a Detective Hays life drama, it's alright I guess
A lot of people were dissapointed in the finale. What started off as a genuinely intriguing mystery story spiralled into a pointless, lame and long winded drama series about Hays, his life and his annoying and meanningless relationship issues with Amelia. What a waste of time and talent this seaaon was
@@ashkurt8698 its like they thought if they casted a black man as the main character it would pay itself off or somthing. Was a pretty weak season,even the second was way better.
It’s called True Detective for a reason, not everything can be some deep conspiracy.
@@maershkinschrabs7597 I agree! I don't know why the 2nd season gets so much hate and criticism. It was way better than this. I was disappointed by season 3.
Excellent synopsis!
I could not sit through another hour long episode thanks !!!