I Decided not to include the other gameplay against meta I recorded because they were all wins against not great players. I'll get better gameplay and post that in its own video next Edit: the lines where I make moa Regina off hallowed, you can make Saint instead and then Saint bring out Regina for free. It’s not shown in replays where Saint wasn’t in the deck list
Yes! Please cover WF Fiendsmith Azamina. Im really interested to get your take on the most optimal approach to playing White Forest post SUDA. Basically as if you were taking it to YCS Orlando & actually trying to top with it lol
Personally, I'm going with at least 12 going second cards for Detonator (Chalice, Droplet, Talents, Imperm, etc) because that card is very problematic for this deck. Detonator can pop your Deception after paying cost, your toy box before you can set them down, and they can pop your face-up Sinful Spoils in response to your Hallowed so you're forced to use the ones from hand, so we can't chain Wanted at the risk of it being popped.
I know your content is more focused on TCG WF stuff but I was wondering if you are open to try Master Duel, specially WF in MD considering we lack the good stuff like Azamina or Fiendsmith. I’d love to see some WF gameplay from you in that game
@ Sure. Maybe MD lacks some of the good cards like Azamina and Fiendsmith (everyone knows the engine is coming next month) but we have Baron and Spright Elf. Like I said, I’d love to see you cook there with some WF gameplay, I bet you will enjoy special animations in game
its really insane how much Elzette Azamina adds to the deck, its crazy. I love WF and like to test it with different sup engines but pre SUDA it often feels mediocre at best. Really hope that Elzette gets a SCR printing (people in germany love the American printings, so shiny) :D
I am definitely interested in more content with the fiendsmith variant. I just think that engine is so much more consistent than toy as you always have access to it through closed heaven
@@BigLadle99 the toys add a lot more resilience in playing through boards and interactions - they also work with the fiendsmith stuff because it’s easier to afford the closed heaven bodies That said, you’re right that you have to draw them
@@superidol8463 at the end you can just play 1 Engraver and call it a day. Personally i would not invest in the FS engine because holy shit it will get reprinted and / or banned soon TM
Have you tried muddy mudragon to make st. azamina? Helps getting value out of summoning azmina mu rcielago. And i think magistus chorozo is mandatory to make diabellstar combo on her own.
@@markfronauer6808 chorozo has not been announced in the tcg so I won’t be covering it until then (it is also overrated imo) I don’t value Saint enough to play muddy for it - I’d be more inclined towards a dragoon package if it was a good meta call, which is currently debatable against ryzeal
I’m so hype for this deck! It can definitely be optimized and include so many engines. I’m thinking of a Ryzeal engine and playing a bit more conservative. Moa, Unleashed and Detonator will be destroying a lot of cards. And they’re so easy to get into. Tank is unironically one of the best cards in the deck too!
@ yea it’s the same principle though. Duo gets you into detonator. But question is do we play Cross for the additional interrupt? Bricks are bad but cross is just so good.
Bystials might be the best non-engine for the deck. Light and dark Chaos angel being a threat at almost any time without needing to go into the ED first seems pretty strong too.
azamina are dark, you can straight up make both material chaos angle with like your 3rd summon (murcielago+tuner) and then recycle her for the omni etc etc
Is searching nib worth it? I would expect smart players to play differently. Or is the idea that they just can't effectively? Also, do you like 3 soldier 3 witch? I've been going back and fourth on those ratios. They pair great but, just wondering
@@johnclapham212 nib is still nib regardless of how smart they are. You can only accommodate your lines so much - and if you also play the one veiler to search it’s usually not feasible to play around both. Emphasis on those interactions being in your hand and therefore not things they can remove The soldier witch ratios I think should be 3 soldier if you’re on toy and witch can vary based on the rest of your list Nib is less good in a cross out format, but since pure ryzeal fell off, that doesn’t seem to be the case
@@RadSkeeDadYGO I don’t think those spells are as impactful as other power spells like droplet talent, but I haven’t tested it yet so I’ll have a look and see - thanks for the suggestion
Very good video , i dont think you need the st or the moaregina to be honest , my idea is the just play ash , veiler , impermanence and nib main , with 2/3 talents and called by with toy cards and call that wally
I think you just have to fit more non engine to fix that unreliability you were discussing. like maybe soldier to 1, asterllar to 2 or silvy to 2, maybe also cut a rucia and the other sinful spoils card.
those types of issues will always exist in 2-card-combo decks, unfortunately. the bare minimum for a deck to be competitive is for it not to lose to itself by having poor engine. fitting your non engine to the meta is easy when you only expect 2 matchups, but if you have a super diverse locals for example, thats when building wf is challenging that said, witch to 1 is viable since wanted is searchable, and ss of wf is not mandatory - so you do have 3ish more non engine slots for something like 3 black goat without really changing the gameplan
@@logan-i6t7g I don’t have much time to test these days, but I do respond to people on the discord so that’s the best place for you to share your build etc
@@KhaozEngine99 since wf engine can’t play through interactions as well as decks like ryzeal and can’t fit as many non any cards in, the idea is to play power spells - the highest impact breakers that flex either side of the dice roll You can change the non engine out for what you think works in your local deck pool
The amount of hand traps in here is really low, how does this deck work going second if the opponent gets full-combo? I guess you could bank on Forbidden Droplet, Thrust, and Tactics to bail you out, but is that enough?
@@ProxyLimit I choose non engine based on beating the current best meta decks. I heavily encourage you to modify the non engine for the meta that you play in. There are lots of decks that will make an unbreakable board if you don’t hand trap them, like the mirror
@@BimYGO I'd be pretty interested to try this board breaker approach at my next locals and see how it works. Thanks for posting these videos, it's always pretty cool to learn some new tech (new to me).
@@Roter-MooN eclipse is a great non engine card and always a consideration It doesn’t do anything to malice unless you win the dice roll, but it might be better than droplet in general if you’re not on toys because you’ll have less free sends
I Decided not to include the other gameplay against meta I recorded because they were all wins against not great players.
I'll get better gameplay and post that in its own video next
Edit: the lines where I make moa Regina off hallowed, you can make Saint instead and then Saint bring out Regina for free. It’s not shown in replays where Saint wasn’t in the deck list
I feel like you have a hard time finding good gameplay in the simulator you are using, have you tried any others?
@ it’s just before the cards are legal they aren’t on ranked ladder so it’s much more hit or miss
Yes! Please cover WF Fiendsmith Azamina. Im really interested to get your take on the most optimal approach to playing White Forest post SUDA. Basically as if you were taking it to YCS Orlando & actually trying to top with it lol
might do that one next!
@@BimYGO🐐. Also would be interested to hear your thoughts on some of the lists that have topped Regionals recently, kinda like a deck doctor on them.
@@ApjOASF havent done that recently because not many have been topping but ill do that for sure once SUDA is out, possible before if i see enough
Personally, I'm going with at least 12 going second cards for Detonator (Chalice, Droplet, Talents, Imperm, etc) because that card is very problematic for this deck. Detonator can pop your Deception after paying cost, your toy box before you can set them down, and they can pop your face-up Sinful Spoils in response to your Hallowed so you're forced to use the ones from hand, so we can't chain Wanted at the risk of it being popped.
I know your content is more focused on TCG WF stuff but I was wondering if you are open to try Master Duel, specially WF in MD considering we lack the good stuff like Azamina or Fiendsmith. I’d love to see some WF gameplay from you in that game
ill have to have a look at the card pool differences but im thinking about it for master duel
@ Sure. Maybe MD lacks some of the good cards like Azamina and Fiendsmith (everyone knows the engine is coming next month) but we have Baron and Spright Elf. Like I said, I’d love to see you cook there with some WF gameplay, I bet you will enjoy special animations in game
its really insane how much Elzette Azamina adds to the deck, its crazy. I love WF and like to test it with different sup engines but pre SUDA it often feels mediocre at best.
Really hope that Elzette gets a SCR printing (people in germany love the American printings, so shiny) :D
I am definitely interested in more content with the fiendsmith variant. I just think that engine is so much more consistent than toy as you always have access to it through closed heaven
@@BigLadle99 the toys add a lot more resilience in playing through boards and interactions - they also work with the fiendsmith stuff because it’s easier to afford the closed heaven bodies
That said, you’re right that you have to draw them
Do you think the fiendsmith engine is worth playing post SUDA?
I would say it is better than toy engine, but do not play st. or regina
I mean the engine is beyond broken, so if you can find room it doesn't hurt. Its finding the room thats the issue
@filipemoreira7722 toy engine just gives too much profit not to play. I'm just working on how big of a fiendsmith engine I wanna run
100 percent plus making lightless is much easier
@@superidol8463 at the end you can just play 1 Engraver and call it a day. Personally i would not invest in the FS engine because holy shit it will get reprinted and / or banned soon TM
Have you tried muddy mudragon to make st. azamina? Helps getting value out of summoning azmina mu rcielago.
And i think magistus chorozo is mandatory to make diabellstar combo on her own.
@@markfronauer6808 chorozo has not been announced in the tcg so I won’t be covering it until then (it is also overrated imo)
I don’t value Saint enough to play muddy for it - I’d be more inclined towards a dragoon package if it was a good meta call, which is currently debatable against ryzeal
Love your content btw
thanks!
I’m so hype for this deck! It can definitely be optimized and include so many engines. I’m thinking of a Ryzeal engine and playing a bit more conservative. Moa, Unleashed and Detonator will be destroying a lot of cards. And they’re so easy to get into. Tank is unironically one of the best cards in the deck too!
@@isaacsamuel6035 I made a video covering the ryzeal engine in the deck. Not sure if I’ll do another post suda yet
@ yea it’s the same principle though. Duo gets you into detonator. But question is do we play Cross for the additional interrupt? Bricks are bad but cross is just so good.
@@isaacsamuel6035 i would not add the brick tbh
Bystials might be the best non-engine for the deck. Light and dark Chaos angel being a threat at almost any time without needing to go into the ED first seems pretty strong too.
@@isaacsamuel6035 those cards are good meta call rn but compete for your non engine slots so you have to be careful what you take out
azamina are dark, you can straight up make both material chaos angle with like your 3rd summon (murcielago+tuner) and then recycle her for the omni etc etc
Is searching nib worth it? I would expect smart players to play differently. Or is the idea that they just can't effectively?
Also, do you like 3 soldier 3 witch? I've been going back and fourth on those ratios. They pair great but, just wondering
@@johnclapham212 nib is still nib regardless of how smart they are. You can only accommodate your lines so much - and if you also play the one veiler to search it’s usually not feasible to play around both. Emphasis on those interactions being in your hand and therefore not things they can remove
The soldier witch ratios I think should be 3 soldier if you’re on toy and witch can vary based on the rest of your list
Nib is less good in a cross out format, but since pure ryzeal fell off, that doesn’t seem to be the case
Any thoughts on WF Skystriker?
@@RadSkeeDadYGO I don’t think those spells are as impactful as other power spells like droplet talent, but I haven’t tested it yet so I’ll have a look and see - thanks for the suggestion
Very good video , i dont think you need the st or the moaregina to be honest , my idea is the just play ash , veiler , impermanence and nib main , with 2/3 talents and called by with toy cards and call that wally
Please do a test with the the fiendsmith engine.
@@Adrix_Zero I will!
@@BimYGO I also would like to see a fiendsmith variant instead of the toy engine!
I think you just have to fit more non engine to fix that unreliability you were discussing. like maybe soldier to 1, asterllar to 2 or silvy to 2, maybe also cut a rucia and the other sinful spoils card.
those types of issues will always exist in 2-card-combo decks, unfortunately. the bare minimum for a deck to be competitive is for it not to lose to itself by having poor engine. fitting your non engine to the meta is easy when you only expect 2 matchups, but if you have a super diverse locals for example, thats when building wf is challenging
that said, witch to 1 is viable since wanted is searchable, and ss of wf is not mandatory - so you do have 3ish more non engine slots for something like 3 black goat without really changing the gameplan
Anyway we could play on db? I’ve been playing wf since day one and want to show you what my build can do
@@logan-i6t7g I don’t have much time to test these days, but I do respond to people on the discord so that’s the best place for you to share your build etc
You can test with me if you d like to
No handtraps??
@@KhaozEngine99 since wf engine can’t play through interactions as well as decks like ryzeal and can’t fit as many non any cards in, the idea is to play power spells - the highest impact breakers that flex either side of the dice roll
You can change the non engine out for what you think works in your local deck pool
The amount of hand traps in here is really low, how does this deck work going second if the opponent gets full-combo? I guess you could bank on Forbidden Droplet, Thrust, and Tactics to bail you out, but is that enough?
It's a board breaker oriented build
@@ProxyLimit I choose non engine based on beating the current best meta decks. I heavily encourage you to modify the non engine for the meta that you play in. There are lots of decks that will make an unbreakable board if you don’t hand trap them, like the mirror
@@BimYGO I'd be pretty interested to try this board breaker approach at my next locals and see how it works. Thanks for posting these videos, it's always pretty cool to learn some new tech (new to me).
@@ProxyLimit if you do try it out, let us know your tourney report in the discord!
Mermail when?😭😭
@@andrewjohnson8919 haha I promise I plan to but been busy recently. It will happen
Why dont you play woes?
@@MamaStewie616 I play unleashing instead of woes because it is searchable both as a wf card and as an azamina card and cannot be ashed
Perhaps book of eclipse?
@@Roter-MooN eclipse is a great non engine card and always a consideration
It doesn’t do anything to malice unless you win the dice roll, but it might be better than droplet in general if you’re not on toys because you’ll have less free sends
Ahhh so that’s why they banned Jowgen 😆