MAJOR kudos to you for what you did at the end of the video i.e. making a distinction between your preference / bias for the Pegasus and what you would generally recommend to the broader audience (Puma Velocity). It would be so easy to project a preference as a recommendation to listeners and you successfully bifurcated the two and lending you a TON of credibility (in my opinion). Much respect to you man.
I appreciate that, thank you.. The VN3 really is the better shoe here. It definitely suits more people. It’s really that good. It’s going to be VERY interesting when I do my “best of” content at the end of the year. 🤙🏻
As always, your comparisons are fair, impartial, and unbiased. Given this discussion and previous discussions featuring these shoes, I would lean towards the Puma. Thanks, Chris
Great review and comparison. I have 2 pairs of Velocity 3s and love them. They are firm and stable, but I don't like pillow soft foam, so they are great for me. If you like soft midsoles, the velocity 3s are not for you. I have never run in the Pegs. The Velocity 3s are a Euro fit, so they won't work for peeps who like a wide fit without needing a wide-version shoe. The Velocity 3s will likely fly under the radar, but in my 45 years of competitive running, I can say it's in my top 5 shoes of all time. No exaggeration. Thanks!
Got the Volt colourway in both of these in a UK 13. Peg 41 is 375g for me and VN3 344g and both are within 1g left and right which is not always the case these days. Been pleasantly surprised by the VN3 and done about 150 miles in them. Perhaps the key point is that it felt like a Pegasus! So a fairly simple shoe, some ground feel through the toes but a shoe that works best for me for easy/steady runs but I can also do a few strides in within feeling they are bricks. As you say, the fit suits my long narrow feet very well as that is what I have. I never once have ever thought about "stability" in a Pegasus so interesting you mention that. Got a few niggles at the moment so have only done some walking miles in the Peg 41 but feels very familiar. So firmish by modern day standards and some ground feel through the toes. Not that different to the VN3 for me TBH. Fit is OK for me in the Peg 41s but it is a bit wider than the VN3 but can't say it is a "wide" shoe like say the Rebel v4. I do think it is hard to say which is "better" yet. Daily trainers are ones I want to just put do some miles and swop them out for faster shoes on faster days. Of course I will need to actually do some decent running in the Peg 41s to have a better opinion for myself but I think either would do fine for the basic use case of running "daily" miles in a "traditional" shoe where there is some ground feel but cushioned well enough and does not cost a fortune.
I'd be really curious how Nike and Puma scaling to larger sizes differs. Also the build quality on the Puma is very solid. The stability I'm mentioning in the Peg41 is more how the Peg36 once felt, before the narrow footprint Pegs of the 37-40 (which got slighter wider over the 2 major models). The 41 just feels "right", or what I remember before the Peg went down the aggressive route. Another shoe the Peg41 reminds me of, that I ran quite a bit in, but never talked about on the channel...was the Nike Rival Fly 3, literally a Peg 36.5 and currently made (Cushlon foam and a full length airbag)...
I found a pair of these for under $80 on Amazon and pulled the trigger. First run today was pretty impressive, especially if I'm to expect them to get better after break-in! Recently, almost all my daily miles have been in the Pegasus 41 and Supernova Rise, so that's my comparison. Both the Peg41 and SNR feel like a much higher quality upper to me. As far as upper materials and laces, I think the Peg41 is the best of the three, when comparing feel, laces, lockdown, and room in the toe box. SNR is a close 2nd. The material in the Velocity Nitro 3 just feels a little cheaper, though I don't expect it will cause any problems with durability. Also, the lockdown and laces are at least as good as the SNR, maybe a bit better. So the upper being "inferior" in some ways doesn't affect the performance adversely in any way. I have a fairly narrow foot, yet the fit still feels narrow and long, as you mentioned. This also doesn't cause me any problems, and maybe that will get better with break in. Overall, that's also not a problem. However, I wouldn't want to do all my daily training in this shoe, mainly just to let my toes splay during some runs, as they do in the Peg41 and SNR. All that said, I do get the hype for this shoe, and the love from many reviewers! The nitro foam feels great. I did a >40minute run and my feet felt great. I didn't notice a big decrease in ground feel relative to the Peg, and didn't feel that the "platform" sensation you mentioned was a negative for me. I have a fairly casual 5k coming up, and will probably decide between this or the Pegasus Plus for that race. Great shoe! The midsole and ride are really stellar. Good job Puma. One other difference between Peg and VN3 is the location of the "full length" rubber strip on the outsole. On the VN3, it runs along the medial side and I think that, with the powrtape on the medial side, also gives good medial support. On the Peg41, it runs along the lateral side. I'm still trying to understand my foot strike and running form better, but I believe I'm a heel to midfoot striker and my main outsole wear is on the lateral edge of the heel, especially on the Peg 41. (By the way, I think this is one reason the SNR outsole does so well for me with its lateral heel flare on the outsole.) I often feel, with the Peg41, that I'm running on the outside of my foot, and I think that's partially due to the increased outsole rubber laterally. The strip being medial on the VN3 seems to help the ride feel more natural to my foot. Sorry for the loquacious word dump! Thanks again for these vids. I've watched many of yours more than once.
This is great. I'm glad they are working out for you. I agree with most of your observations. One thing I'll add, that is surprising me, is I'm getting VERY good outsole wear on my Peg41s, much better than most previous Pegs. ALot has to do with the outsole rubber pattern (and compound). I'll have a 300 mile Peg 41 update on the channel next month or in Jan (it really depends on some other content I want to get out before then.) 🤙🏻
The outsole compound of Puma grip is more durable than the compound used by Nike. At 450Km my DN2 has barely worn the outsole lugs in the forefoot while my Peg40 only got to 300km lugs are already ground down.
I consider my self as Nike addicted I have experience with pegs 39 and 40 it’s severely hurt my feet I got blisters in forefoot area but now I run on puma velocity 3 it’s really underrated shoe more comfortable than pegs I plan to run on puma and use my pegs shoe to causally fit
Been running since '78. Never met a Nike shoe I liked & I bought my first pair way back in 1981. We're all different I suppose. I do own several pairs of Puma (& Salomon + Hoka) in my rotation but I just wouldn't bother even looking at Nike shoes anymore. 40+ years of disappointment as far as I'm concerned.
How do you think the peg would go as a gym shoe that i can? A firmer stable base is bonus, i like how you say it feels lower to the ground. Looking to replace my 860v13 for a gym shoe that i can then do 5-8km on the treadmill.
The Peg has always been a good option for this. The 41 is a hair bit softer but it’s a wide flat platform that allows for decent toe splay so lifting will be good in it. General gym work with some treadmill is perfect for it.
I asked on a previous video regarding what shoe you would recommend for a new runner doing couch to 5k. I've found a wide fit for VN3, but why did you say that I shouldn't get the SL2?
If you pronate, which a new runner is likely to do, the SL2 is absolutely the worst shoe for you. I also wouldn't recommend it for a new runner either...there are much better first running shoe options out there. I linked you to multiple videos that explain why.
I have no, nor have I even looked into it. I've been wearing some different stuff his summer, finding some work arounds for heat and humidity. I may make a video about it later this summer.
Nike really needs to just slap a full rubber outsole on the streakfly give a little more stack and call it the Pegasus Turbo. This is ridiculous, teasing us with the vomero 17 but making it over 10oz is number one BS! I just want more Zoom X that's not a cloggy invincible or a brittle Vaporfly 🤬!
The Vomero 17 was never meant to be a Turbo replacement or any type of faster running shoe. It's a plush "volume" runner, it's weight makes total sense. I loved the Streakfly but it was too delicate for daily use. Still...I hope some of it's DNA is in the Pegasus Plus.
@@SagasuRunning I hear you on the Vomero 17... Except the Novablast, Superblast, and 1080 entered the conversation showing you can have a max stack volume trainer below 10z. By the time it gets to my size 11 it's HUGE! I love the streakfly, not as a racer, but a lightweight daily trainer with that sweet sweet ZoomX. It's a shame Nike acts like they don't know what people want. They don't need to restructure their lineup they just need to put their star player in the game. Like they say I got a itch and the only thing that can scratch it is more ZoomX (cowbell)!
Agree on the weight… but that’s Cushlon… that foam has always been heavy and dense. React foam would have made much more sense in the V17, if it wasn’t for the whole switch to ReactX. If curious if Nike will keep the Streakfly 1 in the line when the Streakfly 2 releases. If they don’t it will be the fist time in…. Forever they don’t have a spineless flat…. The Streak series is dead…. But maybe they will release more Streak LTs again?
Both work well...If; i had to pick I'd go with the Peg41 as i prefer the toe off feel...but on paper the VN3 has the more responsive midsole and foam sandwich.
thanks! I like the Pegasus 40 cushioning. I don't like shoes that are too soft. Which shoe is a little bit firmer? Which shoe is higher? Which shoe is similar to the Pegasus 40?I'm looking for a shoe like the Pegasus 40.I'm looking for a shoe like the Pegasus 40.
MAJOR kudos to you for what you did at the end of the video i.e. making a distinction between your preference / bias for the Pegasus and what you would generally recommend to the broader audience (Puma Velocity). It would be so easy to project a preference as a recommendation to listeners and you successfully bifurcated the two and lending you a TON of credibility (in my opinion). Much respect to you man.
I appreciate that, thank you.. The VN3 really is the better shoe here. It definitely suits more people. It’s really that good.
It’s going to be VERY interesting when I do my “best of” content at the end of the year. 🤙🏻
As always, your comparisons are fair, impartial, and unbiased. Given this discussion and previous discussions featuring these shoes, I would lean towards the Puma. Thanks, Chris
Thank you. Thank you. 🙏
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Great review and comparison. I have 2 pairs of Velocity 3s and love them. They are firm and stable, but I don't like pillow soft foam, so they are great for me. If you like soft midsoles, the velocity 3s are not for you. I have never run in the Pegs. The Velocity 3s are a Euro fit, so they won't work for peeps who like a wide fit without needing a wide-version shoe. The Velocity 3s will likely fly under the radar, but in my 45 years of competitive running, I can say it's in my top 5 shoes of all time. No exaggeration. Thanks!
I would call the Puma fit, narrow...but not Euro. Definitely not as narrow as a classic Adidas fit or say a current Salomon fit.
Got the Volt colourway in both of these in a UK 13. Peg 41 is 375g for me and VN3 344g and both are within 1g left and right which is not always the case these days. Been pleasantly surprised by the VN3 and done about 150 miles in them. Perhaps the key point is that it felt like a Pegasus! So a fairly simple shoe, some ground feel through the toes but a shoe that works best for me for easy/steady runs but I can also do a few strides in within feeling they are bricks. As you say, the fit suits my long narrow feet very well as that is what I have. I never once have ever thought about "stability" in a Pegasus so interesting you mention that. Got a few niggles at the moment so have only done some walking miles in the Peg 41 but feels very familiar. So firmish by modern day standards and some ground feel through the toes. Not that different to the VN3 for me TBH. Fit is OK for me in the Peg 41s but it is a bit wider than the VN3 but can't say it is a "wide" shoe like say the Rebel v4. I do think it is hard to say which is "better" yet. Daily trainers are ones I want to just put do some miles and swop them out for faster shoes on faster days. Of course I will need to actually do some decent running in the Peg 41s to have a better opinion for myself but I think either would do fine for the basic use case of running "daily" miles in a "traditional" shoe where there is some ground feel but cushioned well enough and does not cost a fortune.
I'd be really curious how Nike and Puma scaling to larger sizes differs. Also the build quality on the Puma is very solid.
The stability I'm mentioning in the Peg41 is more how the Peg36 once felt, before the narrow footprint Pegs of the 37-40 (which got slighter wider over the 2 major models). The 41 just feels "right", or what I remember before the Peg went down the aggressive route.
Another shoe the Peg41 reminds me of, that I ran quite a bit in, but never talked about on the channel...was the Nike Rival Fly 3, literally a Peg 36.5 and currently made (Cushlon foam and a full length airbag)...
I found a pair of these for under $80 on Amazon and pulled the trigger. First run today was pretty impressive, especially if I'm to expect them to get better after break-in!
Recently, almost all my daily miles have been in the Pegasus 41 and Supernova Rise, so that's my comparison. Both the Peg41 and SNR feel like a much higher quality upper to me. As far as upper materials and laces, I think the Peg41 is the best of the three, when comparing feel, laces, lockdown, and room in the toe box. SNR is a close 2nd. The material in the Velocity Nitro 3 just feels a little cheaper, though I don't expect it will cause any problems with durability. Also, the lockdown and laces are at least as good as the SNR, maybe a bit better. So the upper being "inferior" in some ways doesn't affect the performance adversely in any way. I have a fairly narrow foot, yet the fit still feels narrow and long, as you mentioned. This also doesn't cause me any problems, and maybe that will get better with break in. Overall, that's also not a problem. However, I wouldn't want to do all my daily training in this shoe, mainly just to let my toes splay during some runs, as they do in the Peg41 and SNR.
All that said, I do get the hype for this shoe, and the love from many reviewers! The nitro foam feels great. I did a >40minute run and my feet felt great. I didn't notice a big decrease in ground feel relative to the Peg, and didn't feel that the "platform" sensation you mentioned was a negative for me. I have a fairly casual 5k coming up, and will probably decide between this or the Pegasus Plus for that race. Great shoe! The midsole and ride are really stellar. Good job Puma.
One other difference between Peg and VN3 is the location of the "full length" rubber strip on the outsole. On the VN3, it runs along the medial side and I think that, with the powrtape on the medial side, also gives good medial support. On the Peg41, it runs along the lateral side. I'm still trying to understand my foot strike and running form better, but I believe I'm a heel to midfoot striker and my main outsole wear is on the lateral edge of the heel, especially on the Peg 41. (By the way, I think this is one reason the SNR outsole does so well for me with its lateral heel flare on the outsole.) I often feel, with the Peg41, that I'm running on the outside of my foot, and I think that's partially due to the increased outsole rubber laterally. The strip being medial on the VN3 seems to help the ride feel more natural to my foot.
Sorry for the loquacious word dump! Thanks again for these vids. I've watched many of yours more than once.
This is great. I'm glad they are working out for you. I agree with most of your observations. One thing I'll add, that is surprising me, is I'm getting VERY good outsole wear on my Peg41s, much better than most previous Pegs. ALot has to do with the outsole rubber pattern (and compound). I'll have a 300 mile Peg 41 update on the channel next month or in Jan (it really depends on some other content I want to get out before then.) 🤙🏻
Please review the SL2. Heard great things about it thus far. Interesting to hear your thoughts.
As soon as I can get a pair I’ll be on it. They aren’t released in Taiwan yet and no one seems to have a clue when they will be. 🤷🏼♂️
The outsole compound of Puma grip is more durable than the compound used by Nike. At 450Km my DN2 has barely worn the outsole lugs in the forefoot while my Peg40 only got to 300km lugs are already ground down.
Agree, that is part of what makes it "better".
I consider my self as Nike addicted I have experience with pegs 39 and 40 it’s severely hurt my feet I got blisters in forefoot area but now I run on puma velocity 3 it’s really underrated shoe more comfortable than pegs I plan to run on puma and use my pegs shoe to causally fit
The VN3 is a great shoe, maybe the best all rounder daily shoe you can buy in 2024. I still prefer the Peg 41 for underfoot feel.
Been running since '78. Never met a Nike shoe I liked & I bought my first pair way back in 1981. We're all different I suppose. I do own several pairs of Puma (& Salomon + Hoka) in my rotation but I just wouldn't bother even looking at Nike shoes anymore. 40+ years of disappointment as far as I'm concerned.
Good thing there are plenty of other options out there. We all find what works for us best...
How do you think the peg would go as a gym shoe that i can? A firmer stable base is bonus, i like how you say it feels lower to the ground. Looking to replace my 860v13 for a gym shoe that i can then do 5-8km on the treadmill.
The Peg has always been a good option for this. The 41 is a hair bit softer but it’s a wide flat platform that allows for decent toe splay so lifting will be good in it. General gym work with some treadmill is perfect for it.
I asked on a previous video regarding what shoe you would recommend for a new runner doing couch to 5k.
I've found a wide fit for VN3, but why did you say that I shouldn't get the SL2?
If you pronate, which a new runner is likely to do, the SL2 is absolutely the worst shoe for you. I also wouldn't recommend it for a new runner either...there are much better first running shoe options out there. I linked you to multiple videos that explain why.
Hey Chris have you tried Puma running gear yet? Curious to know how ultraweave/ultraspun fares against the Aeroswift line.
Puma Ultraspun fabric is softer and more comfortable on skin especially when soaked in sweat compared to Aeroswift tops
I have no, nor have I even looked into it. I've been wearing some different stuff his summer, finding some work arounds for heat and humidity. I may make a video about it later this summer.
Good to know. Thank you. 🙏🏻
Nike really needs to just slap a full rubber outsole on the streakfly give a little more stack and call it the Pegasus Turbo. This is ridiculous, teasing us with the vomero 17 but making it over 10oz is number one BS! I just want more Zoom X that's not a cloggy invincible or a brittle Vaporfly 🤬!
The Vomero 17 was never meant to be a Turbo replacement or any type of faster running shoe. It's a plush "volume" runner, it's weight makes total sense.
I loved the Streakfly but it was too delicate for daily use. Still...I hope some of it's DNA is in the Pegasus Plus.
@@SagasuRunning I hear you on the Vomero 17... Except the Novablast, Superblast, and 1080 entered the conversation showing you can have a max stack volume trainer below 10z. By the time it gets to my size 11 it's HUGE!
I love the streakfly, not as a racer, but a lightweight daily trainer with that sweet sweet ZoomX. It's a shame Nike acts like they don't know what people want. They don't need to restructure their lineup they just need to put their star player in the game. Like they say I got a itch and the only thing that can scratch it is more ZoomX (cowbell)!
Agree on the weight… but that’s Cushlon… that foam has always been heavy and dense. React foam would have made much more sense in the V17, if it wasn’t for the whole switch to ReactX.
If curious if Nike will keep the Streakfly 1 in the line when the Streakfly 2 releases. If they don’t it will be the fist time in…. Forever they don’t have a spineless flat…. The Streak series is dead…. But maybe they will release more Streak LTs again?
Which is best for speed runs and intervals?
Both work well...If; i had to pick I'd go with the Peg41 as i prefer the toe off feel...but on paper the VN3 has the more responsive midsole and foam sandwich.
Which of these two products would you choose for walking?
Either one work well. The Peg41 is wider and more stable. The Velocity Nitro 3 is firmer but more cushioned. You can't go wrong with either.
thanks! I like the Pegasus 40 cushioning. I don't like shoes that are too soft. Which shoe is a little bit firmer? Which shoe is higher? Which shoe is similar to the Pegasus 40?I'm looking for a shoe like the Pegasus 40.I'm looking for a shoe like the Pegasus 40.
@@lovemj-lt3pz The Peg41 is the closest to the Peg40...but the VN3 is taller and firmer.