Allan Holdsworth - How to understand his solos

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  • This Allan Holdsworth Solo Lesson takes a look at the scales and arpeggios he is using in a few phrases from the Sixteen Men Of Tain solo. I love Holdsworths playing and it is really interesting to try to figure out what is going on because his melodic language is pretty much unique.
    The video breaks down 4 phrases and talks about how they are constructed using different scales sounds such as Lydian Augmented and 2 different Messiaen Modes.
    Of course this is an interpretation and an analysis based on what I know about him and what I think he is playing, but if you don't agree then feel free to leave a comment!
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  • @JensLarsen
    @JensLarsen  5 років тому +89

    Hope you like the video! Let me know what you think of the analysis 😎

    • @thebomontellano4996
      @thebomontellano4996 5 років тому +4

      Loved it. Now do John McLaughlin!

    • @MrJimzovich
      @MrJimzovich 5 років тому +4

      I remember reading a Guitar Player interview with Holdsworth in which he said that he worked a lot with Slominsky's book. So I guess he used ideas from that along with his own scales.

    • @ruh4734
      @ruh4734 5 років тому +1

      Great job Jens! I can imagine how hard this was for you to explain.

    • @ruh4734
      @ruh4734 5 років тому +1

      Great job Jens! I can imagine how hard this was for you to explain.

    • @ReileyWilliams
      @ReileyWilliams 5 років тому +1

      I'm really digging these solo analysis! Thanks Jens, you're the best!!!

  • @RudyAyoub
    @RudyAyoub 5 років тому +224

    My favorite album too! Fastest click ever lmao

  • @FXK23
    @FXK23 4 роки тому +41

    Had a Holdsworth cd , back in the 90's. No clue what i was listening to. Saw his lesson on scales(?).. and returned to my Calculus college course with a smile.

  • @GusFogle
    @GusFogle 5 років тому +98

    I always like to think of Allan's harmonic approach as "Lydian Chromaticism". You will notice in both his chordal work as well as solos he delays resolution for as long as possible, rarely relying on dominant chords or arpeggios functionally, sparsely using them at all in fact. I'm a pianist, but hugely influenced by Allan's playing, and have spent a lot of time analyzing his lines. My favorite lines are when Allan plays what I call "chromatic elaboration over static harmony" such as on Devil Take the Hindmost. If you look at completely non-functional changes such as what is found on much of "Non brewed condiment" he superimposes and substitutes various modes over the changes without any discernible relation to the chords. Sometimes he plays whole-tone, sometimes he plays pentatonic, sometimes he plays angular Slonimsky shapes. Like you said I agree that sometimes he plays whatever he feels is right, and MAKES it work. That is a brilliant and inspiring approach to music- it takes great confidence and many years to master, and I think his playing will mystify us forever.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +8

      Thanks Gus! I am curious if you don't think that most of what he plays really is very possible to analyze beyond calling it chromatic? Like Devil Take the Hindmost has a lot of augmented lines happening?

    • @GusFogle
      @GusFogle 5 років тому +7

      That just depends on nomenclature really. In the context of a G Dorian progression, I consider the use of augmented intervals to be chromatic- I'm not defining "chromatic" as a collection of semitones, but as alterations within the context of the progression at hand. There is one particular VERY fast lick he plays in "Devil" I always mistook as a mode of Hungarian minor, but upon picking it apart, it was one of Messiaen's!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +4

      @@GusFogle I know you don't mean chromatic scale runs. I am just curious if it makes more sense to try to figure out what it really is. If I remember the Devil Take The Hindmost is only augmented and not the complete Messiaen mode, but I could be wrong 🙂

    • @GusFogle
      @GusFogle 5 років тому +16

      Sure, it makes sense to analyze the very small fragments of his solos as a means of seeing how they fit into the greater whole. As you well know, he never just uses one harmonic approach, even from bar to bar. Keeping with the simple example of "Devil" there are numerous names you can apply- he uses chromatic sequencing, enclosure, plays with augmented major 7 ideas, superimposes various keys over the changes, etc. In the end we can break down every phrase of every line and have a name for it, but I'm not so sure that a lot of it isn't coincidental and if we aren't just looking for order in something that just sounded right to Allan at the time. If you know jazz theory, it is relatively easy to explain WHAT Allan is playing, but as to WHY he applies it in the places he does is a lot more abstract. Regardless, you did an excellent analysis in this video and it is always refreshing to talk about theory that makes most musicians I know run away screaming.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +10

      I guess why is never really going to be possible but I think a lot of What he is playing is often left uncharted which is really a pity. The focus is often more on "how".
      The way he uses several sounds over the chords is in the end not too alien in Jazz, that happens all the time. To me it is interesting to figure out what the devices are both in terms of note choice and in terms of melody. In part to explore it in my own playing and in part just because it is fun to figure out.

  • @brusselslover9333
    @brusselslover9333 5 років тому +85

    Holdsworth truly was the master. There will never be another like him. May he rest in peace

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +5

      Indeed! 👍🙂

    • @stealthyBLK
      @stealthyBLK 4 роки тому +1

      agreed.

    • @ShredCo
      @ShredCo Рік тому

      There's a probably a young player around today that could match him,eventually

    • @digineet8421
      @digineet8421 Рік тому

      @@ShredCo Marshal Harison gets pretty far out and has the chops to do it. If he could compose and get together with a monster drummer it’s possible for him.

    • @ShredCo
      @ShredCo Рік тому

      @@digineet8421 Nah, he's got Good technique but no song writing skills. He's not too Young either. I remember him jamming with Derryl Gable, think vid is UA-cam. Gable is probably more Holdsworthian

  • @dougsteeleguitar
    @dougsteeleguitar 2 роки тому +5

    You gotta love Allan. Every line was an intimidation lick. RIP.

  • @JazzGuitarScrapbook
    @JazzGuitarScrapbook 5 років тому +14

    Thanks for this. There’s not enough on Allan the jazz musician IMO. Everyone goes nuts for the shred, but his medium tempo playing alone is so distinctive and amazing.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +1

      Thank you Christian! I completely agree that a huge chunk of his playing is never really analyzed or described at all 🙂

    • @xxczerxx
      @xxczerxx 5 років тому +2

      Jazz Guitar Scrapbook Hey I love your videos!

    • @JazzGuitarScrapbook
      @JazzGuitarScrapbook 5 років тому +1

      Thanks Mac! I’ve been looking into a fair bit of Allan so I’ll try and do my own video at some point.

  • @michaelanthony9068
    @michaelanthony9068 2 роки тому +4

    I love this video the same way I love Holdsworth’s music… I don’t understand it but I love hearing you say it.

  • @bassheadjazz2708
    @bassheadjazz2708 5 років тому +7

    3:57 thank you for saying that. Holdsworth is brilliant in playing melodically through crazy polychords and changes, but I dont think he was constantly within a scale or not playing passing tones in order to get to the next key center. It was the way that he got to the next key center and made them sound related that was incredible.

  • @zenncatt
    @zenncatt 5 років тому +6

    Great video, Jens. Indeed, a daunting task to explain what Holdsworth was playing/thinking over the changes. I feel along with his harmonic sophistication, it was his tone and technique that set him apart. You have done an excellent job here. Thank you.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Thank you! 🙂I think you are right that it was not only what he played but also the combination of techniques and tone👍

  • @CathyJoseph-vp6zh
    @CathyJoseph-vp6zh 2 місяці тому

    Greatest fussion guitarist ever frm my point of view

  • @JohnPCady
    @JohnPCady 3 роки тому +5

    3:50 Holdsworth is an extraordinary player really. He actually made his own music theory, scale and "found hidden chords" in them. There is one or two videos where he talks about his scales. And as im concerned he gave this scale name "Bb r". He actually dont use A lot of temporary notes - all those tension notes are beneath his scales. I think People won't ever discover his true theory. Trully amazing.

  • @GiorgioGalletti-vt9rl
    @GiorgioGalletti-vt9rl 2 місяці тому

    You have the gift of the gab...

  • @jonasdnkjr5774
    @jonasdnkjr5774 4 роки тому +1

    Great job Jens !! is all i can come up with really, cause you have just saved my day :)

  • @superspeederbooster
    @superspeederbooster 5 років тому +2

    I was waiting for this video. Really nice

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      You're very welcome! I am glad you like it! 🙂

  • @dudeeronomy3805
    @dudeeronomy3805 2 роки тому +6

    Thank you Jens. Adam Neely has not been keen to analyze Holdsworth so your efforts are much appreciated.

  • @rockstarjazzcat
    @rockstarjazzcat 5 років тому +2

    Thanks so much for your work on this, Jens! Best, Daniel

  • @reyesplace1096
    @reyesplace1096 2 роки тому +2

    Fascinating that this immense talent comes from an enigmatic ocean

  • @devanjackson509
    @devanjackson509 4 роки тому +2

    My interpretation of his improvisation is this. I think he really looks at many of these symmetrical scales as just a loose conceptual anchor or framework from which he can freely deviate from. Especially for the “outside” sounds. I think what you’re saying in the video is basically the same thing. Thanks for the post

  • @JonHeagleOnGuitar
    @JonHeagleOnGuitar 4 роки тому

    I agree with your interpretations of the material here--well done! Allan also had a lot of lines in his solos that are, I think, pretty free and don't really yield to music theory analysis. A lot of times, those parts of his solos are my favorites. And 16 Men is my overall favorite Allan album too--just very consistently great, end-to-end.

  • @jeshdcruz
    @jeshdcruz 5 років тому +2

    You are brilliant.. I love the way you teach.. Simple and clear.. Thanks..

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Thank you very much! I am glad you found it useful! If you have any suggestions for topics or things you are looking for the feel free to let me know 👍

  • @SharpElevenMusic
    @SharpElevenMusic 5 років тому +2

    Damn, I can't believe I just came across this now! Killer job making sense of all this and taking it apart. (And thanks for the shout out!)

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      You're very welcome! Keep doing Holdsworth stuff It's really useful! :)

  • @RC32Smiths01
    @RC32Smiths01 5 років тому +10

    Another great lesson my man! Really substantiated and in depth content. Allan is a very prominent guitarist indeed!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Thank you! 🙂 Glad you like it!

    • @RC32Smiths01
      @RC32Smiths01 5 років тому +1

      Ahh definitely my man!

  • @tonyfaelens3626
    @tonyfaelens3626 5 років тому +2

    Just talking about Allan Holdsworth, is al ready a great thing !! THNX-PEACE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +1

      Glad you like it! 🙂

  • @hugos.w.8976
    @hugos.w.8976 3 роки тому +1

    Hey Jens! Nice to see you on UA-cam :) I just wanted to thank you for sharing you knowledge in Jazz FOR FREE! Thanks to you I can understand Jazz and play Jazz, which I consider the most important thing. Thanks a lot! 😊 I admire you and hope to play like you someday.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  3 роки тому

      You're so welcome! All it takes is practice!

  • @vibratoryuniverse308
    @vibratoryuniverse308 3 роки тому +2

    Fantastic presentation, thank you Mr Larsen

  • @mikaelbiilmann6826
    @mikaelbiilmann6826 9 місяців тому +1

    I have played or attempted to play the guitar since 1987. Videos like yours make me realise to look at the big picture instead of diving off of the deep end and attempt some hopeless pentatonic hellscape. But good to keep learning. 😊

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  9 місяців тому

      Thank you! Go for it! 🙂

  • @reyesplace1096
    @reyesplace1096 2 роки тому

    I lovewhen Allan nails the changes

  • @alanpickering4497
    @alanpickering4497 2 роки тому +1

    Love this. I live in Tain of the sixteen men and often wonder about what influenced Allan when he wrote this stuff.. Its beautiful Glenmorangie whisky country of course! thanks.

  • @borbor78
    @borbor78 3 роки тому +1

    it is a great pleasure to discover your channel.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for checking it out!

  • @gdvpi
    @gdvpi 5 років тому +1

    Incredible videos Jens

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Thank you Gauthier! 🙂

  • @LeviClay
    @LeviClay 5 років тому +6

    Really enjoyed that mate!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +1

      Thank you Levi 👍🙂

  • @streetwiseguitar5113
    @streetwiseguitar5113 4 роки тому +2

    Nice work, Jens!

  • @MarcDLange
    @MarcDLange 5 років тому +1

    You have no idea how pumped I am to see this!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Thank you! I am now starting to worry that you will be disappointed 😁

    • @MarcDLange
      @MarcDLange 5 років тому +1

      Jens Larsen not at all. Most guitarists have no clue how to approach allans style because its literally so alien in comparison.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      I sometimes find that too much mystery is associated with Holdsworth. The man could easily be great without the hype 🙂

  • @GregF71
    @GregF71 5 років тому +5

    Great vid Jens :) my fave Allan album is Secrets, which is almost 30 years old, composition and playing wise it doesn't get any better as far as i'm concerned (and of course i know all the music he's recorded very well) thanks for posting, peace from France

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +1

      Thank you very much Greg! I am glad you found it useful! If you have any suggestions for topics or things you are looking for the feel free to let me know 👍

  • @jumemowery9434
    @jumemowery9434 5 років тому +1

    Thanks for another great video!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Really glad you like it Jume!

  • @christophercapuano7280
    @christophercapuano7280 5 років тому +1

    You did well Jens, nice theoretical lesson on Big Al!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      You're very welcome! I am glad you like it! 🙂

  • @shaofu424
    @shaofu424 3 роки тому

    enjoyed it
    introduced me to Messiaen Modes
    good work
    be safe, be happy, work hard
    peace \m/

  • @Bridging_the_Political_Divide
    @Bridging_the_Political_Divide 3 роки тому +15

    Vai said Holdsworth was doing stuff that hasnt even been invented yet...lol. Both Vai and EVH say Holdsworth was the best they've ever seen.

    • @graxjpg
      @graxjpg 2 роки тому +1

      Zappa and Santana too…

  • @monkeysbum999
    @monkeysbum999 3 роки тому +2

    If you know the harmonic structure ,you can be as free as you want combining source material on your way from point A to point B. At the point of execution ,for a high level player, it would be on an unconscious level .These guys are the best and ,as in art, the artist may not be able to tell you how he arrived at any unconscious decision after the fact. Tonal gravity is at the heart of jazz.

  • @vicstrumone50
    @vicstrumone50 5 років тому +2

    Great stuff! He is using Violin fingerlings within a Mick Goodrich position format. You can play whatever you want over any altered dominant chord. And I love the big interals! Peace.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Glad you like it! 👍🙂

  • @777Jonathan777
    @777Jonathan777 5 років тому +1

    Love that Yamaha SG . Great video. Thanks

  • @alandalaku719
    @alandalaku719 3 роки тому +2

    Sounds good to me, and Holdsworth is one of my favorites.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  3 роки тому

      Thank you 🙂

    • @alandalaku719
      @alandalaku719 3 роки тому

      @@JensLarsen not for nothing but even JOHN MCLAUGHLIN said to Allan, "If I knew what you were doing I'd steal it, but I DON'T know." Both Eddie Van Halen and Frank Zappa have claimed that Holdsworth is THE best.

  • @MrFrenchteacher1
    @MrFrenchteacher1 5 років тому +1

    Great work, thank you 😊

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      You're very welcome! I am glad you like it! 🙂 Who else would you like to see a video on?

    • @MrFrenchteacher1
      @MrFrenchteacher1 5 років тому

      Jens Larsen I would like to see a video on Ollie Halsall, please;
      With Patto ‘Give it all away’
      and ‘Air raid shelter’ 1971.
      With Tempest ‘Foyers of fun and Gorgon’ Live London 1973.
      ‘Funeral Empire’ Live at Marquee, 1973.
      (Just to let you know, I attended that Live concert at the Marquee autumn 1973, I was not even 18 at that time).
      With Kevin Ayers ‘May I’ 1974.
      Thank you very much.

  • @EelcovanZanten
    @EelcovanZanten 4 роки тому

    The example at around 5:00 is just a typical way of how Allan approaches an octatonic scale if u d ask me. A selection out of the halfstep wholestep halfstep wholestep scale. Great job anyhow, cheers!

  • @TONIKOBLER
    @TONIKOBLER 5 років тому +1

    i like very much his play ,genius ,

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Holdsworth is indeed great! 🙂

  • @arrystophanes7909
    @arrystophanes7909 5 років тому +44

    I remember him describing a Major 7 chord as 'disgusting'. That's quite a strong word & suggests he was emotionally invested with the actual sounds he produced & was responsible for.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +6

      Yes, why shouldn't he be? I think he spend a fair amount of time exploring sounds and experimenting but always kept true to his music! 🙂

    • @midaro4420
      @midaro4420 5 років тому +9

      I remember that description too (can't remember where - an instructional book or video, I believe), but I think his distate was triggered by the voicing. He preferred some manner of spread voicing. I agree with your observations about his emotional investment and responsiblities.

    • @PaulMcEvoyGuitars
      @PaulMcEvoyGuitars 5 років тому +7

      Recently discovered that the b7 is present in the overtone series but not the M7. Kinda makes the dominant 7 chord more consonant than the M7 chord, which has an essential dissonance in it (other than the obvious one against the root).

    • @GregF71
      @GregF71 5 років тому +20

      Arry Stophanes Actually he was speaking about a particular voicing: if it's E Maj7, the one that goes 14th fret on D string, 13 on G, 12 on B and 11th on E String (stacked thirds) then he gave an example of "a nicer inversion" of those notes that goes: 9th fret on D, 8th on G, 9th on B and 12th on E... (it's in his REH vid that i must have watched hundreds of times in the 90s :) here at the 1:30 mark roughly: ua-cam.com/video/7h-MdM7JCGs/v-deo.html )

    • @philp521
      @philp521 5 років тому

      I remember that well as well! I couldn't help but wonder how he felt about Johnny Smith's playing, if he felt that strongly about closed position chords.

  • @mattycee5412
    @mattycee5412 5 років тому +1

    So interesting thanks for doing this

  • @nobup7
    @nobup7 3 роки тому +6

    Hi! I translated the subtitles into Japanese and sent to UA-cam. I hope it can help other Japanese audiences. Thanks.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  3 роки тому +1

      Yes! Thank you very much! I am really grateful for that :)

    • @nobup7
      @nobup7 3 роки тому +2

      @@JensLarsen Thank you for accepting my translation. I realized that Japanese subtitles are also very useful to me. I think this is useful for Japanese musicians. Thanks for your good lecture.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  3 роки тому +1

      @@nobup7 Glad you like it!

  • @taufiqandikajazzer
    @taufiqandikajazzer 5 років тому +3

    The best approach for beginner like me. So when i heard first, the sound of allan holdsworth is similar to kurt rosenwikel (sorry because i just heard some pieces of them).
    Overall, this lesson very helpful to improve my vocabulary.
    For jazz guitar, you are the best. And for blues, i chose Mr. Robert Renman.
    From Indonesia; Asian Games 2018 is in my country now 😊
    Assalamualaikum..

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Sure! Really glad to be high on the list! You should let Robert know as well! He is a nice guy 🙂

  • @jakemf1
    @jakemf1 5 років тому +1

    Marshall Harrison has a favorite Holdsworth licks it is killer. His tone phrasing and odd meters also contributes to his unique approach

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Ok. I don't know him. Is it on UA-cam?

    • @jakemf1
      @jakemf1 5 років тому +1

      Jens Larsen yes

    • @Samsgarden
      @Samsgarden 5 років тому

      jakemf1 unique?

  • @galarius
    @galarius 5 років тому +1

    Great video here covering the great master

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Thank you! 🙂 Glad you like it!

  • @Shuzies
    @Shuzies 5 років тому +1

    oh wonderful.................I love this......It's no wonder just about anything I play with this album sounds right.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Yes I guess that makes sense :) Glad you like it Ron!

  • @seantaylor8162
    @seantaylor8162 5 років тому +1

    This is a really interesting and intelligent video

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Thank you very much! Glad you like it!

  • @johnhguitar
    @johnhguitar 5 років тому +5

    Great video! I think odd sounds like altered chords against altered scales doesn't have to be too clinical. In other words just because someone is playing an E7#9 chord doesn't mean you have to play a scale that emphasizes the E7#9 notes. It's good to know that but any odd sounding scale with accidental notes can be used if the musician can tastefully apply those melodies against a strange sounding chord. Not trying to take anything away from this video which is excellent but just trying to share more angles and possibilities. Thanks for sharing Jens!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      That is of course true to some degree, but none of these chords are altered chords if I remember correctly 🙂

  • @kevingamble9050
    @kevingamble9050 5 років тому +2

    Thanks brother!!!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +1

      Glad you like it! 🙂

  • @LucasLucasMusic
    @LucasLucasMusic 5 років тому +1

    Very nice!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      You're very welcome! I am glad you like it! 🙂

  • @seifer1980
    @seifer1980 4 роки тому +23

    I've always tried to focus on his words rather than his solos. In the REH instructional videos of '92 he states some interesting things when talking about his approach to music. What I've come to understand during the years is that he found scales by permutation of notes, meaning he didn't develop any harmonic approach from this point of view. This means that there isn't any specific knowledge of music theory, as he always stated. He created, however, is harmonic approach when he figured out chords from specific scales. I don't know why people try to justify his playing by talking about which scales he used at that specific section or that. The thing here is really simple, but it just gets complicated if you try to find a reason behind his musical choices. When I figured out what he tried to say in that video, I got it, I knew I got the point. I approached the same way, looked at scales as all possible notes for that specific interval separation and then played over changes trying to make melodies in my mind. There no such thing as what mode you're using, it's just playing music with all the available notes on your guitar. This method frees you from pattern based playing, giving the opportunity to rethink of music itself. After so many years, everytime I play over something is like a new musical experience... What I have in my mind today? Dunno, let's translate it on my guitar! Peace

    • @jefffisher598
      @jefffisher598 4 роки тому +2

      This is an analysis video. An explanation of what he does regarding music theory.

    • @Gadje
      @Gadje 4 роки тому

      Yes. Thank you.

    • @Gadje
      @Gadje 4 роки тому +2

      @@jefffisher598 You can analyse a frog by dissecting it or sitting near and watching it.

    • @digineet8421
      @digineet8421 4 роки тому +2

      I dont see how thats much different? He is still using scales even if he doesn't refer to mode. And aren't modes also just permutations of scales? What differemce is there really?

    • @seifer1980
      @seifer1980 4 роки тому +4

      Thanks for pointing that out, it wasn't very clear... :D aside from jokes, what I'm trying to say is that holdsworth never wanted a legacy of people (not referring to anyone trying to explain his playing) that copied him or tried to do that. Simply because his style developed in a unique way, of course he had influences, we know that, but what he created was unique. Personally when I see someone playing with his eyes closed over repeated chord changes lines and melodies so difficult to analyze even watching them on a paper, improvising all the time, I wouldn't talk about music theory. It's like a gift, when you do something that can't explain in other words, like a man that can explain perfectly a math theorem without even knowing what's going on :D

  • @Shawn-hs8qk
    @Shawn-hs8qk 5 років тому +2

    Just listened to the Sixteen Men Of Tain album last night.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +1

      And? Is it still great? 🙂

    • @Shawn-hs8qk
      @Shawn-hs8qk 5 років тому +1

      Yes. I had a teacher around 1987 that had me run out and by the Road Games album which I love, and IOU.
      Road games is really special to me because that was the album that hooked me. But last night while listening to Sixteen Men Of Tain I couldn't help but stop and think just how much he evolved even much further. Love all the tones as well.

  • @TheSnakeEyezz
    @TheSnakeEyezz 5 років тому +2

    I love your videos!
    I'd love to see an analysis of Johnny Smith! :)

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +1

      Thank you! What Johnny Smith album or song would you recommend? 🙂

    • @TheSnakeEyezz
      @TheSnakeEyezz 5 років тому

      Jens Larsen Johnny Smith's Walk, Don't Run album has got some great songs on it. The Sophisticated Lady intro is some impressive playing :) Thanks!

  • @danielcottar3269
    @danielcottar3269 3 роки тому +1

    Jens , this episode's stupendous ! When you showed that last Messiaen MODE (#4) , I got confused. I thought , "This is not the 4th mode of that one you showed us at first." It is a completely different scale pattern. But then I thought , " Oh , Messiaen must have used the word mode just to mean , pattern or scale. I have also told students that a scale is a mode. I just usually thought of modes as different modes of the same scale. Like , Dorian is the 2nd mode of the Major scale. But then again , the Major scale is the Ionian mode. If someone said the Ionian mode , I would totally know that they meant the Major scale. Like , I never called the Harmonic Major scale , the Harmonic Major Mode. But it surely is. Thank you for getting me to think correctly ! Yeah , I guess like the Church Modes , which I assume those are from . The FIRST one you showed us , I always called "the Holdsworth scale. I knew no other name for it. I usually thought of it as the Whole Tone scale with an added Augmented triad stuck IN BETWEEN those Whole Tone scale notes , so as not to overlap any notes of that Whole Tone scale. Your lessons are the BOMB , thanks again !

  • @sheercerebralpower
    @sheercerebralpower 5 років тому +2

    I like your stuff Jens. Have been transcribing Holdsworth/Mahavishnu for decades and schooled myself with it rather thoroughly.....and whilst I am working on other stuff right now(7String Classical)I still check your stuff regularly. I think you are my age(I was born 66 and started playing in 74,professionally since 85),if not and you are much younger,sorry.Regards from Bavaria...

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +1

      Thanks Azhar. I am about your age (1973). Glad you like the videos!

  • @andreasalustri9703
    @andreasalustri9703 5 років тому +12

    thanks a lot...what a great lesson.......20 years back we used to say that AH was 20 years ahead...today it seems he is still 20 years ahead...by the way, who knows whether really AH had such deep knowledge of music (ex Messian modes..) or is was more instinct..? anyway it was and it is the greatest ever in my opinion...

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +3

      You're welcome! Holdsworth did study messiaen modes, it is in his book 🙂

    • @andreasalustri9703
      @andreasalustri9703 5 років тому +1

      you are a great teacher! and a great guitar player..

    • @Gregorypeckory
      @Gregorypeckory 5 років тому +2

      Holdsworth will probably always be ahead of everyone else. It isn't so much a matter of being "ahead of his time" in my mind, but rather simply being a one of a kind genius that is far beyond all other guitarists, regardless of time.

    • @Andreorsel
      @Andreorsel 5 років тому

      He studied a lot on the Slonimsky the saurus which has similair scales/patterns in it.

    • @McMinnManiac
      @McMinnManiac 4 роки тому

      Holdsworth was the leader of modern jazz music in league with
      Wayne Shorter, mike Brecker, chick, Zawinul, and Tribal Tech
      I like his instructional
      I think Daryl Gable , has a video DVD where he covers a chord system used by Holdsworth
      His system seems to use scale matrix that covers the entire neck

  • @thebomontellano4996
    @thebomontellano4996 5 років тому +1

    Awesome!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      You're very welcome! I am glad you like it! 🙂

  • @ASQUITHZ9
    @ASQUITHZ9 3 роки тому +1

    Hi I watched a film of Allan talking about scales etc with a roll of paper with black dots representing fingerings I suppose! It reminded me of the roll of paper tape that used to go around a wheel (at seventy miles an hour) that fed the computer called Colossus! used at Bletchley park in the second world war until the eighties it had holes rather than dots where light was passed through and processed by thousands of valves ( using about 10 kw of electric ) to help solve the German high command codes!! I wonder if they had any thing in common with Allan's brain it's ok playing fast but you have to make it work and pleasing to the ear I liked Allen at all stages of his career but I particularly like his playing on the Tempest record such a breath of fresh air.

  • @Simeon_Harris
    @Simeon_Harris 5 років тому +11

    nicely done. he certainly used the third Messiaen Mode a lot. once you learn to identify it by ear, you hear it all over his solos. often used to create tension preceding chord changes, or during one chord vamps. part of his genius was being able to find patterns within it on the fly and sequence them at blinding speed. there's a terrific example in the tune San Onofre at 1:40. i agree that his solos are really tough to analyse, because it can be difficult to fathom the source of his outside ideas. could be scalar, or bebop enclosures, or as you pointed out in this video, just what he happened to hear in his head at the time. i think people will be poring over his music for many years to come and learning from it. thank you for taking the time to do this, jens.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Really glad you like it Simeon! Actually what I find difficult is to hear when something is Augmented Scale and when it is Messiaen and the other Messiaen mode I am not familiar with at all 🙂

    • @Simeon_Harris
      @Simeon_Harris 5 років тому +2

      yes, the fourth mode is a new one to me. it's so chromatic, i don't know how you might discern a pattern formed from it from a pattern formed from the full chromatic scale. it would be pretty tough! the third mode is easier to spot, because of the contexts that allan tended to use it in. (to me, anyway). i guess we can only go so far, because we can't see directly into the mind of the man, but i'm grateful that he left us so much amazing music to enjoy and ponder over.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Well actually his augmented scale and his Messiaen 3rf mode patterns are similar as well (which is not that strange I guess) Maybe it's because I use augmented way more than Messiaen that I have an alarm bell for that but not for the other one.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      The fourth mode is also a bit like two blues licks on top of each other Bb C Eb F Gb + E F# A B C

    • @Simeon_Harris
      @Simeon_Harris 5 років тому +1

      yeah, i almost never use augmented scales, so i may be hearing it the other way round :)

  • @MauriceArenas
    @MauriceArenas 5 років тому +3

    The Messiaen mode he’s talking about Holdsworth would call the Double Augmented Scale. Mike Stern also uses this quite a bit.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Interesting! I never heard that name but that does make a lot of sense since it is two augmented scales together. Do you have an example of Stern using it? That could be really interesting to check out 🙂

    • @MauriceArenas
      @MauriceArenas 5 років тому +1

      If I recall correctly Mike Stern posted some stuff in guitar player magazine about the double augmented scale. I also think he did a video for guitar player magazine which would have probably have come out in 2013.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Ok. I was hoping you knew a solo where he used it. I will look it up! Thanks

  • @MikeCarvin
    @MikeCarvin 5 років тому +1

    Subscribed!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Thank you! Hope you find something you can use 👍
      Don't be afraid to ask 🙂

  • @mahngo07
    @mahngo07 5 років тому +1

    Thank you :)

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Glad you like it 👍🙂

  • @crimsun7186
    @crimsun7186 5 років тому +5

    I hear a lot saxophone phrasing in his playing. Which goes with the fact that he wanted to be a saxophone payer when he was younger, but his dad couldn't afford one. Even his note choices are somewhat skin to what a saxophone would play when soloing.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +3

      That makes a lot of sense given his love of Coltrane, Wayne Shorter and Joe Henderson as well :)

    • @Heaven-dy9lj
      @Heaven-dy9lj 2 роки тому

      Yes I can hear that, Zarabeth etc.

  • @coupe-lee
    @coupe-lee 5 років тому +4

    The line over the Cmaj7#11 seems more like a line in the C half-whole diminished rather than anything augmented. I see your point that the fragments look a lot like those from the six note augmented, but the collection all together does come from the octatonic. The line could be a use of a shape within the scale and moving it around. Allan also had the same philosophy with chord voicings. As to why Allan would play such an idea, I would guess he was just wanting to create tension.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +1

      If you look at the notes you can certainly interpret it like that. To me it doesn't sound like it, but it is of course impossible to know for sure 🙂

  • @janroberts347
    @janroberts347 2 роки тому

    From Andrew(BOB)Yates.Allan had a marvellous musical brain wonderful memory and dexterity having played guitar many years off and on with few of the above qualities I believe part of his music is based on target notes linked by the timing and underlying harmonic movement chromatically I believe Allans unique skill to be almost genius listening to his development is interesting I am no expert but he seems to be in experimental mode a lot of the time from the earliest fast fingered but less musically accurate 70s till the later more honed playing .I prefer the more guitarish sounds but love this mysterious non definable music

  • @lucascream0
    @lucascream0 5 років тому +2

    Hi Jens, I have a question, you know the song "city nights" by Allan Holdsworth? I was listening to this song and I really like the solo/arpeggios parts, but I'm not able to understand what is the scale that Allan uses on this Solo, I really like that scale

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +1

      Maybe transcribe the chords and try to figure it out from there? 🙂

  • @piotrhobbysta5614
    @piotrhobbysta5614 5 років тому +5

    Very interesting analysis, because I am not fan of Alan Holdsworth music, although I appreciate his knowledge and skills about music and playing guitar. Simply for me lack of melody part of this music, it seems to me as random sounds/notes but I know and hear that it has deep scales and chords background. It's seems to me even more difficult to make analysis of these solos and understand all the scales and other music solution being used. Ofc I gave Like and Sub :)

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +2

      Thank you Piotr! You probably shouldn't worry too much about analyzing music you don't like if there is something that you do like that you haven't analyzed :)

    • @bassheadjazz2708
      @bassheadjazz2708 5 років тому +4

      Just dont forget about Allan. I first heard him play 15 years ago and thought the same thing you do, but it wasnt until the last 4 years that hes become my all time favorite. If you listen long enough, or practice music (jazz specifically) your ears will eventually open up to hear what hes doing and the notes will make more sense. I feel like i can understand 75 percent of what hes doing (executing any of it is another part of the puzzle), and for me that is a huge reward. Give him a second (or third) chance, he really is the genius many say he is.
      Another thing i forgot to mention, people latch on to his soloing at first and lose their minds over his skill (and rightly so), but I think it is his chord work and composition that really makes him one of the most innovative musicians in the last 100 years.

    • @snowfiresunwind
      @snowfiresunwind 5 років тому

      @@bassheadjazz2708 Great comment and couldn't agree more with your last paragraph - AH is certainly one of the greatest composers (of any genre) of the last 100 years.

  • @demetriusaraujo474
    @demetriusaraujo474 Рік тому +1

    Muito obrigado.

  • @mikewazowski5335
    @mikewazowski5335 4 роки тому +1

    Nice work, Can you explain in a future video one analysis of the intro of the first song of metal fatigue?

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  4 роки тому +1

      Thank you. I am not doing videos like this at the moment. The first song is metal fatigue right? Like power chord with a harmonizer?

  • @astorina
    @astorina 5 років тому +1

    On the second example , the A harmonique major matches also well the line

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      But not really the chord though 🙂

  • @gianluferro
    @gianluferro 5 років тому +1

    Very Very cool! The 1st 3rd Messiaen mode lick could be also read as a diminished scale, however he uses the 3rd Messiaen mode quite a lot!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Thanks! Yes , it also fits the dim scale, but mostly I find that he plays these phrases with Messiaen and augmented stuff.

    • @gianluferro
      @gianluferro 5 років тому +1

      Wonderful video indeed, super glad to subscribe!

  • @nationaltelevision666
    @nationaltelevision666 3 роки тому +7

    Any chance we could get a Chris Poland video ? Love the vids Jens !

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  3 роки тому +1

      I stopped making videos like this because in general my audience were not that interested, sorry 🙂

    • @user-xo7gh9nz8u
      @user-xo7gh9nz8u 3 роки тому

      @jensarsen no please we are dying for those videos they are awesome

    • @user-xo7gh9nz8u
      @user-xo7gh9nz8u 3 роки тому

      @@JensLarsen no please we are dying for those videos they are awesome

  • @Gusrikh1
    @Gusrikh1 5 років тому +1

    Very interesting

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Thank you! Glad you like it! 🙂

  • @eternalrainbow-cj3iu
    @eternalrainbow-cj3iu 5 років тому

    Ab A Bb -C Db D- E F-F#...the B D# G(Gaugmented is missng) Cmaj7 upper structuring something F#isch(F#dominant- the Cchord is reanalysed..)your Messian analysis is great I didn't know such only the 9tone skale of Eef Albers... I guess, because C#-F# are comen outsight tones

  • @jackkuelling7946
    @jackkuelling7946 5 років тому +1

    Great lesson. Could you maybe do a lesson on Julian Lage at some point?That would be awesome!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Thank you! If I can find a solo that I think demonstrates something or that I really like I will 🙂

  • @KennethGonzalez
    @KennethGonzalez 5 років тому +2

    With regard to the last example you analyzed, I know that I use the "tritone trick" (that's what I call it, anyway :-P) and various shapes/fingering patterns to introduce color and movement. As long as the player is thoughtful about other elements of music (phrasing, dynamics, rhythm, etc.) it can be quite effective! Great analysis and commentary, sir.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +1

      Thank you Kenneth! Yes, I think it can indeed be interpreted like that as well 🙂

  • @EarthAltar
    @EarthAltar 5 років тому +1

    In that first figure over the BbMaj7(#11) there's really no need for all that stretching. That whole lick can be done between the 10th and 12th frets quite easily. Just find the notes E, G, A, C, F#, A ascending from the low E for the first measure. Which I look at as an Amin13. Then A, C, F#, A, Bb, Eb ascending from the A string. You still have that Amin13 tonality but you're introducing the b9 and b5 color tones. Nothing special about going from the first arpeggio to the second. The genius here is that it's being used over the BbMaj7(#11) which I spell as Bb, A, D, E. Now that's jazzy. Another great Vid, Jens!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +1

      Thanks! I think it is easier to play with the stretch to be honest, and I know he did that a lot 🙂

    • @EarthAltar
      @EarthAltar 5 років тому +2

      No doubt. His hands were like spiders on the neck. For those of us that with mortal sized claws though, at least there's an alternative. His sense of harmony is what impressed me most about his playing. Thanks for breaking it down because in a million years I would never have thought to play those notes over that chord. Spent a few hours last night looking for Amin13 arpeggios all over the neck, and throwing in b9's and b5's. Good stuff, man!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Glad you put it to use! 👍🙂

  • @SkwisgaarScampini
    @SkwisgaarScampini 5 років тому +1

    Also my favorite holdsworth album

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      What would you consider no 2? I probably listened the most to Metal Fatigue 🙂

    • @SkwisgaarScampini
      @SkwisgaarScampini 5 років тому +1

      Jens Larsen probably hard hat area...I’m not a fan of the vocal albums...but sixteen men of Tain has some masterpieces..”the drums were yellow” and “Texas” are my favorites, as well as the opening tune of the album I can’t think of the name

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      The opening phrase from Allans solo on Texas is fantastic (and simple :) )

    • @SkwisgaarScampini
      @SkwisgaarScampini 5 років тому +1

      Jens Larsen haha yes he almost plays a hint of something human 😂

    • @SkwisgaarScampini
      @SkwisgaarScampini 5 років тому +1

      Jens Larsen haha yes he almost plays a hint of something human 😂

  • @anthonydemitre9392
    @anthonydemitre9392 5 років тому +4

    these symmetric scales do incircle target tone's like jazz players do when you can instinctively move them to suit the harmony

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +1

      Yes, Holdsworth has a lot of strong habits when it comes to playing over harmony 🙂

  • @Rog5446
    @Rog5446 3 роки тому +3

    Although Holdsworth's jazz solos were displays of genius musicianship, his rock solos were more pleasing to hear due to their more melodic form.

    • @ASQUITHZ9
      @ASQUITHZ9 3 роки тому

      Like on the Tempest record?

    • @HeavyProfessor
      @HeavyProfessor Рік тому

      Not for me. I love the jazz. Just my favorite sound ever.

  • @YavinArba
    @YavinArba 5 років тому +2

    AmMaj7 line - I hear it more like a series of "pat metheny-esque" (i.e., Bartok) chromatic licks which can represent some sort of vague CMaj7#11 ish chord

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +2

      Sure! If you think that makes more sense to you 🙂

  • @RealinDealer
    @RealinDealer 4 роки тому +2

    I often wonder how A.H arrived at his decisions regarding the strange time signature and meter in his composing. All I know is that I haven't a clue but it fits and works, is beautiful and is unlike anything else I've heard.
    I'm thinking that these strange timings may be determined and inspired by the numbers of notes in his lines. But that's a guess.

    • @Andreorsel
      @Andreorsel 4 роки тому +1

      Joseph Whitaker , Allan did not count the “normal” way. He always said when asked about it : “ I count evrything in 1”
      So even if you have something like 5/4, to him it was 11111.
      Gary Husband ( The drummer who played a lot together with Allan) tells in an interview that they also had this mutual feeling of time, a lot of it was by feel. More like in classical music where the time flows more instead of being exact like a metronome.
      Surch for Rick Beato interview with Gary Husband on YT, here he tells about it.

    • @RealinDealer
      @RealinDealer 4 роки тому

      @@Andreorsel Thank you. I will check the G.H interview. All the best

    • @Andreorsel
      @Andreorsel 4 роки тому

      Joseph Whitaker, you are welcome. All the best for you!

  • @RavenMadd9
    @RavenMadd9 5 років тому +1

    Tack brother

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +1

      You're very welcome!
      Who else would you like to see a video on? 🙂👍

    • @RavenMadd9
      @RavenMadd9 5 років тому

      @@JensLarsen Steve Morse.....have a great Sunday

    • @RavenMadd9
      @RavenMadd9 5 років тому

      Like a sax player...holdsworth

  • @LuisGonzalez-nh9wo
    @LuisGonzalez-nh9wo 5 років тому +5

    Great analysis. Have you ever done any Wayne Shorter Analysis? Like E.S.P. Or Fall.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Thank you! Songs like that are for a big part just sounds next to each other, so in that respect an analysis isn't really useful 🙂

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      @馬鍬地陸 That could be, but what you are saying could also easily be someone over-interpreting an analysis. Those are there as well, and you have to look at the analysis to be able to tell.

  • @astorina
    @astorina 5 років тому +1

    Hello jens , the Bb diminished tone half tone matches well the line until the Eb note , isn it ? Thank for covering this hard subject that most people neglect because for sure allan had one peculiar logic , by the way i know well is discography but i didn t know this album, personnally one of my favorite is road games , do you this one ?

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Thanks Antonio 🙂 I don't think dim scale works too well with that chord though?

    • @snowfiresunwind
      @snowfiresunwind 5 років тому

      'Drums were Yellow' is a masterpiece.

  • @TheLogan1186
    @TheLogan1186 2 роки тому +1

    Hi Jens. I’m just getting into jazz and fusion as well at the beginning of studying Allans work. I was wondering if major harmonics are the best type of scales to use over augmented chord progressions as these scales are wifely used over diminished chords or do different rules apply to augmented chords altogether?

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  2 роки тому

      What do you mean by Major harmonics?

    • @TheLogan1186
      @TheLogan1186 2 роки тому

      @@JensLarsen I mean major harmonic scales. Are the only type of scales to
      Be used over diminished chords? And can they be used over augmented chords or do augmented chords require different scales? What I mean is what in a certain type of chord dictates what the best scale to use to play over that chord?

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  2 роки тому +2

      @@TheLogan1186 there are not that many scales, so if you really want to learn this then take all the scales and learn all the diatonic chords in there then you get more options.
      But I would also suggest learning to analyze harmony and not just try to attach scales to a type of chord. Chords usually don't exist as isolated things, so learning how they move will teach you a ton of useful stuff

    • @TheLogan1186
      @TheLogan1186 2 роки тому +1

      @@JensLarsen thanks you Jens very helpful. Cheers

  • @albertvandrejer5003
    @albertvandrejer5003 5 років тому +2

    very interesting video, thank you. At 9:20 you differentiate between parts with moving chords and more modal parts in the solo. But since the moving chords are not from the same scale, wouldn't you think of them as modal too?

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +1

      Thanks! The term modal is not really well-defined or at least not really used in the right way in pieces where the chords are changing all the time. For a section to be modal (to me anyway) I would think it was one sound not a lot of different sounds 🙂

    • @albertvandrejer5003
      @albertvandrejer5003 5 років тому

      yes, i would not like to call it modal either, on the other hand, which word would you use instead to describe the sound of a specific scale over a chord in a moving chord progression (that is not in a key)? to call it chaotic or free wouldn't be right either, because you can relate it to modes, but i don't think the ear is capable of adapting to a new root so fast..

  • @shitmandood
    @shitmandood 5 років тому +1

    I need to warm up my hands for those stretches. :)

  • @rolandroblejo9987
    @rolandroblejo9987 4 роки тому +2

    thanks for the hard work Jens. One note * - tablature at 4:56 you have F written as 4th note in the run.. should it be F# ? Thanks

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  4 роки тому +1

      Just follow what I play, I often write down wrong tabs 🙂

    • @theguitarblogverreng
      @theguitarblogverreng 9 місяців тому

      Actually he (Allan and Jens) plays an F# instead o F natural as written on tab and score. :)

  • @sylwestersosniak220
    @sylwestersosniak220 4 роки тому +1

    super !

  • @johanblume2621
    @johanblume2621 3 роки тому +2

    I’m curious if the Holdsworth legato technique can be applied to rock/metal style playing, or if it’s only useful for jazz/infusion style? Thanks.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  3 роки тому +2

      Actually his technique is probably better suited for metal and rock than Jazz. He does not really phrase in a Jazz way, and the technique has a few issues when it comes to dynamics within the line for bebop lines.

    • @alexperez3651
      @alexperez3651 3 роки тому

      Meshuggah - Destroy Erase Improve and Contradictions Collapse. Both albums have some great fusion/Holdworth-esque soloing. IMO

    • @ClearPathBeats
      @ClearPathBeats 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah look up Chris Poland from Megadeth, probably the closest thing to Allan holdsworth in metal

    • @ASQUITHZ9
      @ASQUITHZ9 3 роки тому

      Give Allan's playing a try on the Tempest album 1973! ( if you already haven't) fabulous playing when Allan used to play similar to other mortals much more down to earth but extra ordinary and beautiful When I first heard his solo in Gorgon I thought it was a breath of fresh air so much away from the other clones, copyist etc

  • @mr.fabian8471
    @mr.fabian8471 5 років тому +1

    excellent!!!

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому

      Thank you very much Fabian 👍🙂

  • @JazzGuitarScrapbook
    @JazzGuitarScrapbook 5 років тому +8

    I think Allan might have got the symmetrical Messiaen scale out of the Slonimsky book - Jeff Berlin says he practiced from that book a lot.

    • @JensLarsen
      @JensLarsen  5 років тому +2

      Yes, I think he checked out a lot of stuff from that and other contemporary classical music as well 🙂

    • @JohnVullo
      @JohnVullo 5 років тому +1

      I was going to suggest this as well. Im uncertain if hes really thinking of Messiaen, or working out a pattern/idea from the book. In his handwritten chart for this song (he doesnt think of modes but the 'parent' scale they belong to) its all 'Dorian' and 'Melodic Minor'. As an example, the first chord of the solo, Db/B (I think of it as Db7), belongs to the key of Gb, his personal chart says "Ab Dorian". The next is E/C (Cmaj7#5), he has 'A Melodic Minor'. That pair then basically cycle around the circle of 4ths, starting and ending in different spots. Its awesome.

    • @JohnVullo
      @JohnVullo 5 років тому

      Oh, I also wanted to add he also interprets the Cmaj7#5 as not only A Melodic Minor, but also as C major with an added b6. This is also consistent with all the other maj7#5 chords as Ionian with an added b6.

    • @JazzGuitarScrapbook
      @JazzGuitarScrapbook 5 років тому

      John Vullo aha! The secret Barry Harris/Allan Holdsworth connection :-D Allan mentions this and other 8 note scales in his instructional vid, but I thought he saw them as ‘bebop scales’ (ie the b6 is a passing tone, not harmonic) - are you saying he used them harmonically as well?

    • @JohnVullo
      @JohnVullo 5 років тому +1

      A bit late but I wanted to add that I didnt even realize Messiaen #3 scale is something Allan did use as its in his instructional video (Scale #10). Although he said he did use it as a transitional scale and prob for outside playing as well.