That was probably the greatest game of SC I've seen. Props to BOTH players for playing a game that was so exciting the word 'epic' fails to do it justice.
This has to be one of the longest games in recent memory-TvT is good at that :P I do recall on TLnet attack, when Dreiven played offrace TvT for like a 90 minute game! This was much more exciting, however :D
That was one of the most entertaining (but not really best) games I've ever seen. I agree with Klazart that Flash actually would've deserved the win more in the end because Upmagic used his BCs so badly. But Wraiths proved to be TvTs MVP:)
it's kinda early in the year, but this has to be a contender for game of the year. diggity would have loved to commentate this game. nice post-game commentary guys
Goddamn, such an intense game! Nice comeback by Flash. I guess what finally made it for Upmagic in the end was that he got the idea to pull all of Flash's scans with these single Wraith-harrassements, wasn't it?
Oh, and by the way, valkyries were never supposed to be effective against battle cruisers. The original intent for air in Brood War (and you can see this in the way computers build) was small > medium > large > small. That is, valks, scourge, and sairs own wraiths, mutas, and scouts; wraiths (because of splash, 2HKOs), mutas, and scouts own bcs, devs, and carriers (because of high dps), and bcs, devs, and carriers own valks, sairs, and scourge (because of high armor and hp). 3 armor >> 6 dmg.
I'm surprised Flash didn't use his BCs to pick off gols with Yamato near the end. If he had just cut down on the goliath count, he would have held for a bit longer.
I don't think Flash was ever ahead in this game; at least not nearly as much as Cholera and Klazart made him out to be. Flash never once in the entire game had an economic lead, and near the end when he was destroying UpMagic's starports, he was almost 4k minerals behind. That's FORTY goliaths. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrifying. Besides, Flash spent so much money on BCs and valks, he had essentially no tanks to defend or stop UpMagic's mining, which wound up losing the game.
I gotta disagree with Klazart as well, Upmagic kept a great contain on flash for such a long time and keeping that mineral gathering going. He deserved the win, despite Flash's valiant attack with the BC's, the goliath's were the *savior* force against the BC's!
Sports commentary has a long history of using short-hand, colloquial terms because the commentators understand that they share a common language with their target audience. They don't need to adjust their commentary because somebody on the internet, on behalf of some mysterious non-entity, makes an argument based on a false dichotomy.
After flash raided Upmagic's main base, he should have gone on to take out the middle immediately - he would have come across 4 of the 6 factories in the process, and he would have won. Or he could have taken out all the supply depots and probably won that way. Too bad.
Just from the first few minutes... it's not a "Rax" it's called "Barracks" If you want commentary to be taken seriously you need to call things by their proper names as much as possible... sorry big pet peeve of mine.
According to Blizzard's "Air Balance Model," "supporting air units" (sair, valk, dev, which I called small) beat "Tactical units" (scout, wraith, muta, which I called medium) of other species. They are support units, so you can't win the game with them. The capital ships (BCs and carriers, but oddly not guardians which don't shoot up; muta-dev combinations need to suffice) pwn support units. The devourer is SUPPOSED to be a support unit for the mutalisk. battle(dot)net/scc/popup/airbal(dot)htm
41:26...flash should have attacked his own battlecruiser with his valks...the splash damage would have only hit his one BC and the splash wouldve hit the wraiths
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Well-worth the 50 minutes!! Great commentary by Klaz and Cholera.
Right when I saw the 47 minutes, I knew it was going to be epic. And it was. GG, guys, great commentary.
That was probably the greatest game of SC I've seen. Props to BOTH players for playing a game that was so exciting the word 'epic' fails to do it justice.
No question this is worth watching. TVT can be so boring sometimes, but when it's good, it's AWESOME.
This is quite possibly the most epic and exciting TvT of the last few months.
Great game and an excellent commentary. Cholera & Klazart really know how to do a great two-man cast.
wow the quality is amazing,
thanks a lot
The best TvT game I've witnessed, I love air units and this just blew my mind.
i watched this on nuke and the same thing i said there i will say here:
this is the best TvT i've ever seen, so epic that's worth watching again
Amazing game, amazing commentary! Keep up the good work together! GG
One of the best match i have ever seen. congrats to both players for such a great game giving there all.
very epic match!
nice cast by Klazart and Cholera!
Wow... this game, this commentary... Klaz and Cholera... is just too much!!! XD
I thought the exact same thing. Great job to UpMagic, he hung on till the end, he out expanded and contained flash, he certainly deserves the win!
This has to be one of the longest games in recent memory-TvT is good at that :P
I do recall on TLnet attack, when Dreiven played offrace TvT for like a 90 minute game! This was much more exciting, however :D
Its funny to watch flash while he was still somewhat mortal.
this is the most high def video of starcraft i have ever seen.... i can read the hp on individual units!
That was one of the most entertaining (but not really best) games I've ever seen. I agree with Klazart that Flash actually would've deserved the win more in the end because Upmagic used his BCs so badly. But Wraiths proved to be TvTs MVP:)
it's kinda early in the year, but this has to be a contender for game of the year. diggity would have loved to commentate this game. nice post-game commentary guys
"Sir, it's to many Goliaths!"
"Damn it! Where is the tank support?"
"Sir, there is no tank support..."
"oh noes, :( "
best tvt of the year!
wow.... that was an amazing game.... GG!
Wow, what a game, that was awesome.
god that was awesome, but i wanted some ghosts. oh when i saw that vessel, i kept chanting EMP, EMP, EMP!! lol. ahh epic
Those wraiths were both the savior and the curse for Upmagic.
Wow that was great
Thanks Pepito! Glad we have our first confirmed schizophrenic viewer :D
i agree.. even i am almost soaked watching their game.
Goddamn, such an intense game! Nice comeback by Flash. I guess what finally made it for Upmagic in the end was that he got the idea to pull all of Flash's scans with these single Wraith-harrassements, wasn't it?
Aren't valks large also, though? And devourers do own BC's, IMO.
my 2 fav commentators
Cholera is so excited seeing the physics lab.. klazart on the other hand is more calm
I would put it in the top 3 of TvT's :D
this was.... epic
Wow, I never broke a sweat playing starcraft and you can see both of them sweating like pigs. Much respect+
He actually did try to make a few yamato shots like on the science vessel EMP and also the first big BC battle
what u meant to say artty was if Upmagic saw BC, how come he didn't go ghost /w lockdown to counter
freaking epic!!!!!!!
Haha, most exciting game of the set, eh?
I like UpMagic and hope he does well.
Oh, and by the way, valkyries were never supposed to be effective against battle cruisers.
The original intent for air in Brood War (and you can see this in the way computers build) was small > medium > large > small. That is, valks, scourge, and sairs own wraiths, mutas, and scouts; wraiths (because of splash, 2HKOs), mutas, and scouts own bcs, devs, and carriers (because of high dps), and bcs, devs, and carriers own valks, sairs, and scourge (because of high armor and hp).
3 armor >> 6 dmg.
very very epic gg
Epic MATCH
if Upmagic saw Valks how come he didnt go ghosts w/ lockdown?
TvT of all TvT's!
Excluding boxer's era, of course.
Awesome game, lol at Cholera getting all excited and screamish like a school girl :D
30:59 Most amazing yamato battery ever.
Why Flash didn't attack his own BC with Valkyries to kill cloaked wraiths?
holy shit that was a long game those guys musta been tired
Lets see if Flash is up to his game...
"Now that kids, is a GG"
great BC micro by flash especially 20min mark
I'm surprised Flash didn't use his BCs to pick off gols with Yamato near the end. If he had just cut down on the goliath count, he would have held for a bit longer.
I don't think Flash was ever ahead in this game; at least not nearly as much as Cholera and Klazart made him out to be. Flash never once in the entire game had an economic lead, and near the end when he was destroying UpMagic's starports, he was almost 4k minerals behind. That's FORTY goliaths. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrifying.
Besides, Flash spent so much money on BCs and valks, he had essentially no tanks to defend or stop UpMagic's mining, which wound up losing the game.
INSANE GAME
insane!
wow that was an amazin game
What an epic game. Too bad moletrap didnt commentate this one, he would have owned it.
"oooh! OH Upmagic! OOOHHHH Upmagic! Fail."
FTW!
flash deserved it ... hes so good
EPIC GAME
up magic did use a yamoto bte, u guys keep saying he didn't, but he got one off on flashes sv, and one off on a bc later. he fired two just saying
Klaz and Cholera pwnd by UpMagic!
epic game
круто)
too epic
I gotta disagree with Klazart as well, Upmagic kept a great contain on flash for such a long time and keeping that mineral gathering going. He deserved the win, despite Flash's valiant attack with the BC's, the goliath's were the *savior* force against the BC's!
Sports commentary has a long history of using short-hand, colloquial terms because the commentators understand that they share a common language with their target audience. They don't need to adjust their commentary because somebody on the internet, on behalf of some mysterious non-entity, makes an argument based on a false dichotomy.
wow epic
holy fucking shit...epic fucking game.
Epic
Upmagic's "Arc of Doom" :D
Klazart comes back, Battlecruisers show up, hmm...
Reminds me of Flash vs Memory - Game 2 in the first season of gom.
Anyway, gg
damn, that was a lot of goliaths.
long game but worth watching
that was fuckin epic
i wanted to see a boxer lockdown
Lol, Pepito. I don't know how to respond to a comment like that, but it had me laughing, anyways.
After flash raided Upmagic's main base, he should have gone on to take out the middle immediately - he would have come across 4 of the 6 factories in the process, and he would have won. Or he could have taken out all the supply depots and probably won that way. Too bad.
dude i hate how cholera keeps interrupting when klazart talks.
flash es el mejor
nice long game...shame Flash lost
I didn't see not one yamato from Upmagic even before that science-V was out.
Really crap BC from upmagic HOWEVER... great game. V.crazy!
Now... now that kids... is a gg...
anyone notice how upmagic and flash look a lot alike?
omfgggg 40mins... wow better get started..
yes thats wut i was tryin 2 understand UpTballA
agreed
this one is pretty crazy ~\
I don't think it's upmagic's fault that he couldn't yamato. I think that Flash EMP'ed him before pretty much every battle.
Hope > Arrogance
flash had his bc a lot sooner, so they had energy
FUCK YEA. UPMAGIC ROCKS!!!
Just from the first few minutes... it's not a "Rax" it's called "Barracks"
If you want commentary to be taken seriously you need to call things by their proper names as much as possible... sorry big pet peeve of mine.
According to Blizzard's "Air Balance Model," "supporting air units" (sair, valk, dev, which I called small) beat "Tactical units" (scout, wraith, muta, which I called medium) of other species. They are support units, so you can't win the game with them. The capital ships (BCs and carriers, but oddly not guardians which don't shoot up; muta-dev combinations need to suffice) pwn support units.
The devourer is SUPPOSED to be a support unit for the mutalisk.
battle(dot)net/scc/popup/airbal(dot)htm
freaking upmagic, wtf did you do to yourself.
lol 45:00 Cholera said Remining Maining spots.
41:26...flash should have attacked his own battlecruiser with his valks...the splash damage would have only hit his one BC and the splash wouldve hit the wraiths
lol awesome
Flash did not deserve the victory Klaz. I don't know what you're talking about.
amazing...a little disappointed with the outcome