I really like Made In Heaven more than Stairway to Heaven as the last form of Pucci's Stand cause it fits better the character. Like "When stormy WEATHER comes around it was made in heaven" or "Im taking my ride with destiny, willing to play my part, living with painful memories, living with all my heart" like that song fits both Pucci's goal, Pucci himself, the whole Stone Ocean last battle plot... It is just the one man.
@@METAsMETAs Post Whitesnake/Pre C-Moon also has a manual time acceleration where he can accelerate (age) living/nonliving objects wherever he makes contact. Basically, he can make anyone/anything old, so yea.
So I wanted to ask cause I'm still wondering if there's an easy explanation. If Pucci has infinite speed and he blizzes everyone as shown how was it that the group was able to "outrun" him by shooting bullets with kiss's stickers on it from one place to another or when emporio and jolyne escaped from him via the dolphin? Shouldn't he just be faster in both of those scenarios and one shot them?
Dio- defeated by a 20 year old Kars- defeated by a 19 year old DIO- defeated by a 17 year old Kira- defeated by a 16 year old Diavolo- defeated by a 15 year old Pucci- defeated by an 11 year old
Three months late, but remember that MIH still wasn’t completely apparently, even after the universe reset. Pucci even remarks about this before Emporio kills him.
@@Linear_Line_423made in heaven cannot evolve anymore, pucci means, mih not only reset the universe, it help pucci to create a universe that he want, but pucci only finish first step but he is already being killed by emperio, so the universe only reset instead build as the pucci wanted way
@@burmecian123 hamon users would die much faster than pucci would have in that scenario lmfao do you see the CURRENTS zeppeli and jonathan breathed in?
I believe the reason Pucci was able to move in stopped time was not due to him gaining any abilities comparable to SP, but rather just as a result of him being the center of gravity. Gravity fields distort spacetime, and it's obvious that stopping time would not affect someone the same way if they're they're distorting time, even just to a small degree.
I believe that only C moon can move in time stop due to his stand basically being Dios stand. I do not believe however, made in heaven moving in timestop because it is no longer the same stand as the world. It is puccis stand.
Just wanted to add a few things to the Whitesnake power description at 7:46 Whitesnake is not only capable of taking a Stand and Memory disc, but he can also give commands to creatures using discs (as shown when he commands a frog to explode and blind the guard following the JJF fight), remove various senses from people including himself (As shown during the Heavy Weather arc, where Pucci removed his own eyesight, thus making him completely immune to its effects), use WS to command and control other people (Shown during the HW arc as well, where he uses Anasui as a set of eyes, letting him see while remaining immune to Heavy Weather), disguise itself as other people (shown when he disguises himself as Weather and nearly kills Anasui), straight up melt people, albeit very slowly, and also play normal CDs (shown when he plays Hallelujah following the fights in the punishment ward), all of this on a long range stand that Pucci can talk and see through People sleep on just how busted Whitesnake really is
In my opinion in a combat setting, White Snake is a better stand than Heaven’s Door. While it’s commands aren’t as strong, it has way more range and massively more stealth with its illusions. Plus stealing stands can be really good.
@@abdullahbashir5297 Eh, I don't think so. WS is busted, but only in very specific circumstances. Pucci would've been completely overpowered by Jolyne had he not thrown Jotaro's disc at Anasui. The part would end once Jotaro got his memory disc back
White Snake, in a setting full of people with broken hax abilities, managed to have the most broken hax ability set of them all, since, fun fact, Pucci can theoretically use the stand disks he stole himself as well, wielding however many stands he likes. The only reason not to is that some stands will reject you, and trying to control more than one stand that is not a colony stand is probably a bit harder than most people would want. This is likely the primary reason he handed out stands rather than using them all himself, but imagine if he managed to find even a couple non rejecting stands.
Imagine you are eating food and once you take a bite out of it, you realize that the food pretty much has been festered with maggots, bacteria and rott
Fun Fact (at least for me that watched the anime only): During the universe reset the anime shows that Kishibe Rohan is getting his manga releases in the date exactly, thus making him WAY FASTER than Made In Heaven. Rohan is basically the fastest to make so many manga panels with shading and everything in less than seconds to publish in time. I knew i liked him for a reason and part 6 confirmed the reason.
He probably used his own stand to write like "Can keep up with sped up time" so he could keep writing, which, if you think about it, could've saved the day if he fought Pucci.
Made in Heaven, or specifically what event would happen because of it, was already spoiled for me a few months after I finished watching the whole series (which I did a few months after Part 5 ended). So I already had a concept of what MiH would do, I just didn't know how... *...and it is fuckin' terrifying.*
From what I understand, horses are associated with time due to their nature as ride animals drawing parallels to the unstopping motion _of_ time, of which we are riders permanently unable to depart. So there's a pretty good chance that's why MiH's lower half is the front half of a horse.
I saw it as a reference to the Four Horsemen Of Apocalypse. Conquest - Pucci's journey to conquer gravity itself. War - Pucci's "holy war" on the Joestar bloodline and legacy. Famine - As Made In Heaven accelerates time, food spoils and the population is thrown in a frenzied panic. Death - Not only the death of Pucci's enemies, but the victims of Made In Heaven's time acceleration, as well as the death of the previous universe.
Some people really don’t know how deadly C-Moon is, it’s one of those stands that can legit kill you in “Only One Punch” if he gets a head hit you’re dead a chest hit you’re dead hell if he hits you in the nuts you’d probably die from shock lmao
When you think about it. MiH technically still have the ability to Speed up aging like what Pucci did after fusing with the Green Baby. Heck he could've used it against the Part 6 gang but he didn't use it because of the range of his Time Acceleration is now the whole Universe so if he uses that ability, all of the other Lifeforms in the Whole Universe will age and die too which is against to the Heaven Plan of making Lifeforms know their fates.
I think it’s more that he didn’t speed them up because he would have lost his overwhelming speed advantage. Yes, they would age much faster than everyone else if Pucci brought them into the accelerated time, but from their reference point they would age normally. Time is relative here. Since MIH has relatively normal stats otherwise, this would have been a really bad idea on Pucci’s part.
@@cia3242 To my knowledge, there's not anything that explicitly states or implies that Pucci cannot pick and choose who is and isn't affected by MIH. In fact, its ability to single out all living things and exclude them from the accelerated time seems like a feat that would require pinpoint control of time. Is it really much of a stretch, then, to assume that he can choose only the Joestar group to be brought into the accelerated time, and not any other lifeforms?
It's even more terrifying taking into consideration that this doesn't even take into account the hypothetical of Pucci upgrading his stand to Requiem status. As busted as that (un)holy trinity of stands is, it stands to reason that with requiem it'd be all kinds of broken to an unfathomable degree.
Dio: You know what kid, back in my day to get an ultimate stand you had to take 36 sinners, remember 14 words, take care of a stupid green baby, and go some stupid made up coordinates in florida. Giorno: sure dad just give me my arrow back
@@parry3439 Now that could work. Now that I think about it Pucci was literally trolling Emporio at the gun scene where he was weaving left and right quickly cause he can easily predict where the bullet will travel to
@@mgbm8335 The stand ability loses to just a regular gun because to Pucci the bullets would be moving at well- normal bullet speed he wouldn’t be able to dodge or react And the stand itself has ZERO feats. Even during all of the fighting Pucci himself was the one doing all the damage
11:44- glad someone acknowledges how strong Whitesnake is. Casual viewers see Whitesnake as a multi-power wimp that needs trickery to win and needing C-Moon and Made In Heaven evolutions to be a threat. Whitesnake is indeed a physical threat, it’s just that the heroes are unorthodox and use trickery to undermine him. It only gets stronger from there
Its kinda sad how C-Moon and MIH would suck to have irl, considering that with C-Moon you just cause destruction everywhere you go due to you being the center of gravity, and MIH not really being useable without resetting the universe
Well most of the stands would suck irl. Emperor is just a gun, Darby brothers take peoples' souls, Killer Queen just makes everything explode (maybe a bit useful, maybe), Purple Haze just kills you and everyone near, same with Green Day, same with the Grateful Dead. Unless you're willingly on the wrong side of the law, most stands would be unusable even if they don't kill people.
@@mirko241 Stands like The World or Golden Experience would be quite useful in my opinion. The World could just stop time whenever you need to, like if you’re in danger.
@@LangXiomeiWell, can’t you cancel MiH? Like, you get infinite speed for a few seconds and stop when the time acceleration starts really getting out of hand. So it’s basically The World with slightly more drawbacks.
I mean for MIH you can speed up the flow of time in REALLY small intervals, like make time move .300 milliseconds faster ( a second is actually 0.7 seconds). This way time wouldn’t be moving too crazy, but you’d still have a major advantage over everybody :)
@@Hkung-mu6cd nah the infinite speed would pretty much take everyone to the new universe.. maybe making 1000 years pass in a second for a few minutes would be better
I'd like to throw a correction in. Dio is referring to the fact that he is constantly letting his guard down and relaxing with pucci. Because of this, dio brings up pucci could kill him because of how deeply dio trusts him. Also during the time dio is talking with pucci hes much thinner and the scar is more prominent in his character, implying that the time he's spending with pucci is much closer to the time he recently escaped the coffin. So dio was still at a point where his timestop was 1 second at most, whcih is still a stretch, and his stand is still fairly week because he isn't used to the body
My original interpretation of Pucci stand was that after the heaven plan was achieved, he would have 3 stands. White snake, c moon, and made in heaven. I was spoiled on a bit, but not enough.
@@juzox5161 he would only need aja stone mask,people don't realise HOW BUSTED kars actually was. he had 400+ IQ,was a vampire that was immune to the sun,could use ALL life creations so that would include stands as well which was not shown as he may have not known they existed,but he used hamon so he can def use stands too. he could literally BECOME pucci or anyone.
Honestly the design is horrifying almost ugly Specially if you've seen the figurine they made for it Props for araki for making it look badass in every scene it's in Biblically accurate angel vibes
I think Made In Heaven requires time to make Pucci as fast as FTL. They explained that he could move like bullet train... I understand that while time goes he gets faster due to acceleration. i think there was more like Pucci's Battle IQ demonstration, like how he used palm tree for acceleration which trow him even faster with accelerated time + his speed.
The issue with lightspeed in media is that in order to be able to travel that fast you would need to have no mass whatsoever. That's why photons can travel at lightspeed and we can't, mass will inherently slow an object down.
@@Foogi9000 That would be case if this was not supernatural case :D How i say.. like Pucci himself should not be able to dodge star platinum which is definitely at least light speed or his attacks are like light speed level. for Pucci's case i think that Made in heaven ability made it logical so that when he runs like bullet train its like natural speed for him coz hes only one that somewhat merged with Acceleration so him being fast as light would be that time is accelerated so fast that his normal speed in accelerated time = light speed. he can probably go infinity by the stats of MIH.
@Armored Man it's proven with star platinums fight with silver chariot. Silver chariot sliced a literal beam of light in half (which is a minimum of 15000x the speed of light) and star platinum easily kept up with it.
Honestly, Weather Report and Heavy Weather deserve their own video as a terrifying Stand. It is main character levels of strong. Not only did it take down Made in Heaven, but its abilities are straight broken. There's also the crazy implications of what this Stand could theoretically do. Also the versatility in making a space suit? This Stand does so much more than the average "I control Weather."
Been loving your Terrifying Stands series so far, I was curious if you ever planned on doing a Terrifying Stand Users series, where you discuss the most creative & terrifying stand users, regardless if their stand is strong, weak or average. Bruno Bucciarati, Anasui, Jolyne, to an extent Joseph Joestar, & Part 4 Jotaro, and probably even Rai when considering his raw intelligence.
With the snails, the snails themselves are probably not moving at the speed of the subliminal messaging. With outspeeding sp, Jotaro gets caught off guard for his daughter. Both of them show that ws is fast, but not faster than light.
White Snakes power isn't to take memory and stands specifically it's to eject aspects from a person as discs he just used it on those two predominantly
I’m gonna be entirely honest, before this video I thought Whitesnake was the weakest main villain stand. I didn’t even consider that it’s disc swiping was basically a one shot to anyone if Pucci jumps them. I thought Dio saying Pucci could kill him at any moment what just Dio boosting Pucci’s confidence. Really enjoyed this one.
Pretty sure the reason Pucci could see in stopped time was because of dios bone and how the green baby was a vessel of Dio himself. It would be quite the reach to say he has similar abilities to SP and TW
How do people keep thinking Whitesnake is stronger or faster than Stonefree? Pucci handcuffed himself to Jolyne, thinking to himself, "All I need is a single touch. This should be easy." He then gets beaten down by Stonefree so hard he immediately states that was a bad idea and needs to retreat. How could Araki make it clearer that Jolyne was stronger than Pucci? Was him running from her for most of the arc not a sign for anyone else?
@boh evidence? He didn't mention anything about the jojoveller. Also, that contradicts what happened in the story. If Pucci could one-shot Jolyne, then why didn't he?
@@fewglow5076 "He has a destructive power that is probably equivalent to an A or higher, although the parameters are unknown. He also has a speed of D, but this is probably due to his "mind-melting" ability, and in close-range combat, he's much faster than Stone Free." >JoJoveller I know he didn't mention JoJoveller, but at least it's not a far-fetched statement.
I honestly hope we get one of these for Cream. Sure, it was a minor villains Stand (one who had a bigger kill count of main characters than the main villain of the Part), but Cream is one of the most powerful and honestly one of the SCARIEST Stands, it 100% could have been a main villains Stand and fit right in with the rest of the main villain Stands. Like, if Vanilla Ice wasn't purposefully trying to scare and mess with the other half of the Crusaders, he legitimately could have killed all three in one swoop. And then likely gone on to beat all the other Crusaders as easily. Not to mention Vanilla Ice being a vampire means immortality too, which is just even worse for anyone fighting this Stand because of the one time you can actually damage and hurt the user, they cannot die without a 100% confirmed head destroying attack. I honestly wish we saw more of the Stand because I feel like there's a lot of unanswered ways this Stand could be used. We know VI enters Cream when Cream eats itself, but can Vanilla Ice do this outside of Cream and create an invisible ball of void he can control and see with the downside being that he's vulnerable? If it can devour anything, what about air? What if it did something like The Hand where the ball of void began to eat air, and started sucking things in like a black hole? I feel like the main thing holding Cream back was Vanilla Ice's single minded use of it, and while it's very unlikely, I hope it gets the same treatment The World or Killer Queen got and returns in the alternate universe under a user who's much more experimental.
I still believe the song made in heaven has a heavy meaning on puccis character, the song made in heaven mentions things being “meant to be” which ties in with pucci and dios idea of fate, and sacrificing his life to achieve his goals
Awesome video as always Meta Keep it up Also I got a question if you’d be able to answer. I’m planning to do some Jojo’s content starting next year as well and wanted to know if you had any trouble with strikes or claims related to Jojo’s?
3:32 Not just Dio's influence but the fact that killing them deliberately is a part of his plan Jotaro becoming a vegetable to obtain the stand disc Jolyne being taken to prison to bait Jotaro (and also to be killed to cover his tracks)
"Jolyne is small town level because planet waves" Jolyne after that fight "it'll take me a few minutes to get through these bars" Maybe we shouldn't break Jojo scaling using a calc based off a single panel establishing shot. Seriously it spits in the face of every anti feat in the entire series and we are never even given confirmation that a)it's drawn perfectly to scale, like Araki was mathing out his cool exposition picture and b) that the rocks in the panel are the same rocks that went through the roof or c) the rocks were traveling at a consistent speed from when they started to when they hit the ground. Regular punch ghosts are not small town level
It says in the manga that after the fusion, White Snake was gone and C-moon was now Pucci's stand. Every stand evolution adds a new ability and incresses the name, but White Snake's case on the outher hand is closer to a rebirth, throwing everything away and ascending to a new level.
Why does no one get the reason that Made In Heaven's original song inspiration, that being Stairway to Heaven, is literally referencing how the song itself plays out? The thing about the song Stairway to Heaven is that it accelerates in time. It starts slow, with less instruments, and after every refrain, the song picks up in tempo (and in the employment of instruments). And this is a VERY important feature of the song, because the very nature of the song was this increase in tempo, to the point in which it was mentioned to be a core part of it by Led Zeppelin. What does Made In Heaven do? It accelerates time. It speeds EVERYTHING up. And as it gets faster, things get more chaotic and crazy.
I think one of the few Stands that could potentially counter MIH is oddly Set... it's unique ability to de-age people as well as their Stand would revert MIH and possibly erase White Snake if Puchi is made young enough Jotaro had his stand for a short time before he met Alessi but merely being grazed by Set's shadow caused him to lose his Stand, in much the same way MIH would almost instantly turn into White Snake again... and depending on how the encounter is written, Puchi could find himself in a VERY bad spot
A thing that so many people miss, is that “infinite” speed, literally breaks causality to the point that anything could happen at any time, and you would have to deal with it. The effect can happen before a caus, which is really insane when you think about it. Not to mention, when he goes to that high degree of speed, special relativity makes it so time won’t even pass, making him also have infinite time stopping. I feel like a lot of people don’t understand this.
He has never reached that height of "infinite" speed and he quite literally has to build up to his maximum, also pucci can be out speed by organism with faster natural travel speeds if he chooses not to age them, which is why Emporio got away on the dolphin, he stll has limitations and if he physically cant move hes fucked so anything with a restricting enviormental effect can really mess with him
Here's a thought of something kind of terrifying, Emporio's ability. He theoretically should have an entire past universe or two of ghost objects he should now be aware of to pull from. Maybe?
Nice video! Here’s some of my thoughts I had about the song Made in Heaven and MiH’s stand design. I don’t remember much of the song lyrics to be honest, but one line that stuck with me was “It was meant to be.” Basically talking about how Pucci achieving was fate. It was meant to be. As for MiH’s stand design, I always thought it was meant to be a horseman of the apocalypse. For those who don’t know, the horsemen of the apocalypse were talked about in the Book of Revelations as beings that will be released from the four of the seven seals. Which kinda fits as a non-stand user seeing time accelerate, I would think the end is nigh. Also I’m not muslim, so correct me if I’m wrong, but I heard from my muslim friends that time acceleration is one of the signs of Judgement Day in Islam. Once again, amazing video!
I have to say that while the choice of making the music interpretation for made in heaven be on the original reference "stairway to heaven" I do believe it would have been very welcome to hear a comparison/contrast to the queen music, if anything for completion's sake.
I would just like to say even the Made in Heaven wasnt the original name, i think it was a fitting choice for a name change as made in heaven at least lyrically still stands up
At the end of the anime Emporio in english says he couldnt insert the disc himself and had the slight tap of MiH do it whire narrowly dodging the hit @METAs
3:12 "How come no one older than me ever seems to understand the things I wanna do?" I dont know why but i found it funny that Pucci is older than the whole main cast except for Jotaro. With whom there is a one year difference (Pucci - 39, Jotaro -40)
I think Made In Heaven is a better name for the Stand as it's about a man who suffers a horrible fate but realizes he can deal with it because it was meant to be as this fate was "Made In Heaven"
Sup, Italian here, we Italians can have darker skin tone, because of northern African migrations during the Roman empire and before it. A Roman emperor, Settimo Severo, was a black man, in fact. At the same time, due to Scandinavian migrations/invasions, we can also have blond hair. Of course it's an extreme case, but this might very well be.
If he outspeeds fate itself, does that mean he could outspeed GER's effect? And is he actually moving at immeasurable speed? If he's affected by Time Stop, then he can't be because in order to be immeasurable you need to be moving outside the bounds of speed, distance or both. Like, your same personhood would have to exist in two locations at once or at different, exclusive moments in time, or you would need to be able to move freely even in the absence of time or, more appropriately, when time has been stopped. So if he's affected by Time Stop at all he's not immeasurable, I don't think. Rather, I think he'd be moving relative to the speed he has set time itself to be. He appears to be moving insanely fast, but he's not immeasurable because he's still moving within his own perception/flow/experience/etc. of time. He still has to cross distances, and crossing distances still requires time despite his incredible speed, ergo not immeasurable. Maybe I'm just carzy and remembering things wrong, though.
Adding to the “he should still have his other stand abilities “ argument, I’d 1) imagine the discs would vanish if the ability wasn’t a thing anymore. 2) pucci said he would deactivate MIH once emporio was off’d, meaning would he keep the MIH stand or would it revert to one of its previous forms until he activated the ability again?
@@cia3242 no, disc are permanent even after the stand doesn’t exist. Even non stand users can interact with it and insert it. U are just saying a bunch of head canon
On your point about MiH retaining its previous stand abilities, it is not really the same as all of the other “evolved” stands you mentioned. It is different from the ACT stands and it is different from the stands that simply unlocked a new ability. Also, Pucci specifically says that “C-Moon is no longer his ability” after achieving Heaven. Pucci’s stand evolution is completely unique in the series, and is not comparable to other stand evolutions
Something I was thinking about, When the universe resets, everything that is alive would come back. So Kars would come back, but he would probably still be braindead. At the end when Pucci dies the universe resets back to the old one but some things are different, like Joylne is now Irene. the Joestars never had to deal with Dio OR his underlings. That's why her named changed to symbolize that she is no longer Jojo, having to deal with their curse/fate hence why it's called Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. But... Kars does not apply to that factor because Dio never had any influence over him. So Kars would be back, Maybe he is Cars now but his goal would still remain the same. Since Johnathan would've never learned hamon. There would be no Joseph to stop Kars. Kars would literally take over the planet like he wanted to.
Also face to face, Jotaro would have smoked the shit out of Pucci. It was literally a point that Pucci was avoiding coming into contact with them until he was fast enough that jotaro couldn’t do anything.
I like to think that White Snake is actually worse than most stands in terms of power and that's why Pucci didn't just end Jolyne after getting Jotaro's disc and just because DIO said Pucci could kill him, doesn't mean he's stronger than him just like Emporio wasn't stronger than Pucci but beat him with Weather Report's ability
I'm surprised you didn't find the bit of information about Made in Heaven looking like some Indian God Avatar (literally, I just forgot which one) whose whole thing is actually governing some reincarnation or apocalypse power
C-moon is physically weak without surface inversion which is why he stopped attacking jolyne after she used Mobius strips. Jotaro could've killed pucci there if he didn't care about jolyne
You know, with Parts 6-8's main antagonist Stand abilities and how absolutely off the rails they've been compared to Parts 3-5, I can only imagine how the living hell Araki is gonna top it all in Part 9, assuming its gonna be the end. You've got a Stand that literally ends the universe and rebirths it. You've got another Stand that brings good fortune to the user and reflects misfortune while also retaining the ability of having access to infinite dimensions. And you got a Stand that harnesses the series' most powerful concept, being so powerful it could *almost* solo it. Honestly, trying to think of what Araki could possibly cook up is both painful and horrifying.
Remember when the strongest stand in Part 3 can stop time and punch really hard? Now in part 6-8 we literally have stands that can call asteroids from space or jump to different universes. The power-scaling is insane.
You can say White Snake's ability is mind control He can cast illusion, control people's action, plus stand and memory is part of the human mind so that's why he could took them out
That's true, though that's for things with mass. Do stands even have mass? Well, actually now that I think about it, they would to some extent or maybe it depends on the stand? Or maybe it depends on what the stand user wants? Like how SP phases through solid objects at times and at other times it hits them solidly
JoJo powerscaling is funny bc you’ll have all these crazy things but then if you compare it to another series they’d often get stomped by pure virtue of the Stand being strong but the User still being a normal human (with some exceptions) and thus susceptible to dying very easily lmao, especially if it’s a huge AOE attack. Oh well, powerscaling between different series is usually ass anyway
Hear me out: In a 1v1 between Jotaro and Pucci it would be a matter of how long the battle drags on. C Moon could observe in stopped time, but it didn't actually move so if Jotaro activated stopped time and didn't have a Jolyne to protect when Pucci came near he could beat him. The thing is Pucci is smarter than that, so he would just keep increasing his speed until Jotaro couldn't observe him. So most likely Pucci would win. P.S. Also we can clearly say that Made In Heaven doesn't have C Moon's abilities since those abilities would be really helpful in the fight against Emporio but weren't used at all
we can't clearly say anything considering he literally put a disc in Emporio, thats like saying pucci cant use acceleration anymore because he didnt against emporio, he couldn't breath or move properly Emporio legit made the oxygen levels that high its stated in the manga , also jotaro couldnt observe pucci thats why he stopped time to find where he was going to attack from, he does it multiple times so what are u talking about
Think the most horrifying bit about C-moon Is the fact that you can react to time stop at all considering? That's how it started with star platinum This is a possible that c-moon existed Long enough that it wouldn't gain the ability to stop time
You see I really don’t agree with the whole Pucci being MFTL. For the Jotaro feat, same as you said, Pucci deliberately had to corner Jotaro in a situation where he could react in time. When it comes to the Dio feat, Dio says in it that it is because Pucci knows about his weakness to the sun and that he could kill him in his sleep. Nowhere does it say that in a direct confrontation of Whitesnake vs The World that Pucci would win.
@@METAsMETAs thanks for responding! Personally I scale Part 6 characters around relativistic to be similarly in line with other parts like part 4 & 8 based on Jolyne punching the meteors. While I do somewhat agree with the whole Snail lightspeed scaling, it’s definitely hard to say whether or not they are the subliminal snails or actually the image of the snails from the rainbow. I lean more towards the latter though.
Could you maybe do a video on ultimate Kars vs Wonder of U? I think it'd be an interesting match up since Kars is immortal and It'd be interesting to see how WoU could deal with such a threat.
Reaching Heaven is the exact opposite of what you mentioned with “controlling your fate” @17:30. It’s accepting that your fate cannot be changed and to accept that reality. Pucci believed that fate was unchangable and unchallengeable. Only with the massive power of Made In Heaven could the fates of everyone (except for Pucci, which is why he lost; he didn’t know his own fate yet) be changed or controlled. Everyone else would just know how fucked they were for their life. Though, now that I think about it, with Pucci’s universe Dio would know exactly how shit his life would turn out. I wonder if, in that brief existence of that universe, he was happy, or if DIO was just wrong about how revealing people’s fates and misfortunes to them would make them live in Heaven.
Lmao I guess my choice of words were bad there when I say “controlling your fate” just mean seeing it surprisingly you’re the only person I’ve seen so far criticize me on that lol
@@METAsMETAs Ha nice. I just thought another way to say about MIH is “accepting your fate” vs the concept of going beyond fate and controlling your fate that the JoJo MCs worldview is.
Small correction with C-moon the inverting of Kennedy space station is not an AP feat but just a really powerful one
I really like Made In Heaven more than Stairway to Heaven as the last form of Pucci's Stand cause it fits better the character. Like "When stormy WEATHER comes around it was made in heaven" or "Im taking my ride with destiny, willing to play my part, living with painful memories, living with all my heart" like that song fits both Pucci's goal, Pucci himself, the whole Stone Ocean last battle plot... It is just the one man.
@Skribber LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@@METAsMETAs Post Whitesnake/Pre C-Moon also has a manual time acceleration where he can accelerate (age) living/nonliving objects wherever he makes contact. Basically, he can make anyone/anything old, so yea.
Do the world over heaven strongest stand
So I wanted to ask cause I'm still wondering if there's an easy explanation. If Pucci has infinite speed and he blizzes everyone as shown how was it that the group was able to "outrun" him by shooting bullets with kiss's stickers on it from one place to another or when emporio and jolyne escaped from him via the dolphin? Shouldn't he just be faster in both of those scenarios and one shot them?
Dio- defeated by a 20 year old
Kars- defeated by a 19 year old
DIO- defeated by a 17 year old
Kira- defeated by a 16 year old
Diavolo- defeated by a 15 year old
Pucci- defeated by an 11 year old
To be fair, it doesn’t matter how young the person killing you is… if they have a nuke.
and now tooru - also defeated by an 11 year old technically
The stronger the villain, the younger the character that's gonna beat them
One day a JoJo's villain is gonna get killed by a newborn baby
Emporio was billions of years old
How poetic is it that you started with Made in Heaven, and eventually come all the way back around to it. What a roundabout journey
Just like the heaven plan intended
its truly been a roundabout journey
arigato gyro
"Yes"
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What a wonderful world.
*I think the most terrifying aspect of MiH is that it still has an A in development potential.*
Three months late, but remember that MIH still wasn’t completely apparently, even after the universe reset. Pucci even remarks about this before Emporio kills him.
Whaaaaat...so MIH still can evolve? It already beyond godlike ability
That's because pucci recently got it where's as the others had time to figure out the workings of there stands
@@Linear_Line_423made in heaven cannot evolve anymore, pucci means, mih not only reset the universe, it help pucci to create a universe that he want, but pucci only finish first step but he is already being killed by emperio, so the universe only reset instead build as the pucci wanted way
Pretty sure it is referring to the whole speed build up that MiH undergoes once Time Accel is activated.
Imagine having all that godly power only to lose to a kid because you didn't breathe properly.
Demon slayer be like
And people say hamon doesn't matter anymore...
@@burmecian123 hamon users would die much faster than pucci would have in that scenario lmfao do you see the CURRENTS zeppeli and jonathan breathed in?
@@parry3439 I think they can hold their breath for a long time. Wasn't zeppeli stated to be able to run kilometers on a single breath?
@@adventurer3288 I mean that single breath doesnt mean like a small huff it was like a vacuum lol
I believe the reason Pucci was able to move in stopped time was not due to him gaining any abilities comparable to SP, but rather just as a result of him being the center of gravity. Gravity fields distort spacetime, and it's obvious that stopping time would not affect someone the same way if they're they're distorting time, even just to a small degree.
I believe that only C moon can move in time stop due to his stand basically being Dios stand. I do not believe however, made in heaven moving in timestop because it is no longer the same stand as the world. It is puccis stand.
@@BL00DYMERCURY so you are saying c-moon is the same type of stand as star platinum ?
So, similar reason to Tusk 4 moving in the world?
@@notforyou2893 Oh god not again
@@notforyou2893 Yep.
Just wanted to add a few things to the Whitesnake power description at 7:46
Whitesnake is not only capable of taking a Stand and Memory disc, but he can also give commands to creatures using discs (as shown when he commands a frog to explode and blind the guard following the JJF fight), remove various senses from people including himself (As shown during the Heavy Weather arc, where Pucci removed his own eyesight, thus making him completely immune to its effects), use WS to command and control other people (Shown during the HW arc as well, where he uses Anasui as a set of eyes, letting him see while remaining immune to Heavy Weather), disguise itself as other people (shown when he disguises himself as Weather and nearly kills Anasui), straight up melt people, albeit very slowly, and also play normal CDs (shown when he plays Hallelujah following the fights in the punishment ward), all of this on a long range stand that Pucci can talk and see through
People sleep on just how busted Whitesnake really is
Whitesnake alone is powerful enough to be a “final boss” stand like King Crimson or The World, let alone its evolution to C-Moon and Made in Heaven
In my opinion in a combat setting, White Snake is a better stand than Heaven’s Door. While it’s commands aren’t as strong, it has way more range and massively more stealth with its illusions. Plus stealing stands can be really good.
Whitesnake is the perfect trapping stand. It's actually busted with prep time, and Pucci had 20 years
@@abdullahbashir5297 Eh, I don't think so. WS is busted, but only in very specific circumstances. Pucci would've been completely overpowered by Jolyne had he not thrown Jotaro's disc at Anasui. The part would end once Jotaro got his memory disc back
White Snake, in a setting full of people with broken hax abilities, managed to have the most broken hax ability set of them all, since, fun fact, Pucci can theoretically use the stand disks he stole himself as well, wielding however many stands he likes. The only reason not to is that some stands will reject you, and trying to control more than one stand that is not a colony stand is probably a bit harder than most people would want. This is likely the primary reason he handed out stands rather than using them all himself, but imagine if he managed to find even a couple non rejecting stands.
Imagine you are eating food and once you take a bite out of it, you realize that the food pretty much has been festered with maggots, bacteria and rott
And it’ll turn into poison? …Maybe?
That wouldn't happen, those are alive. It would just go stale and turn to dust.
@@machina5 Either way it's still bad
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 Yes, but I'll take dust over maggots and bacteria any day lol
@@machina5 Agreed
Fun Fact (at least for me that watched the anime only):
During the universe reset the anime shows that Kishibe Rohan is getting his manga releases in the date exactly, thus making him WAY FASTER than Made In Heaven.
Rohan is basically the fastest to make so many manga panels with shading and everything in less than seconds to publish in time. I knew i liked him for a reason and part 6 confirmed the reason.
Imagine if he could keep up when the universe was resetting 💀
@@epRivera he probably could
He probably used his own stand to write like "Can keep up with sped up time" so he could keep writing, which, if you think about it, could've saved the day if he fought Pucci.
@@ohnoimatrap856 nah nah, rohan is just that fast, remember His hand was faster that angry crazy diamond
@@ohnoimatrap856 nah nah, rohan is just that fast, remember His hand was faster that angry crazy diamond
Made in Heaven, or specifically what event would happen because of it, was already spoiled for me a few months after I finished watching the whole series (which I did a few months after Part 5 ended).
So I already had a concept of what MiH would do, I just didn't know how...
*...and it is fuckin' terrifying.*
From what I understand, horses are associated with time due to their nature as ride animals drawing parallels to the unstopping motion _of_ time, of which we are riders permanently unable to depart. So there's a pretty good chance that's why MiH's lower half is the front half of a horse.
I saw it as a reference to the Four Horsemen Of Apocalypse.
Conquest - Pucci's journey to conquer gravity itself.
War - Pucci's "holy war" on the Joestar bloodline and legacy.
Famine - As Made In Heaven accelerates time, food spoils and the population is thrown in a frenzied panic.
Death - Not only the death of Pucci's enemies, but the victims of Made In Heaven's time acceleration, as well as the death of the previous universe.
@@MegaManXPoweredUp also horses are fast, so it all fits in
Some people really don’t know how deadly C-Moon is, it’s one of those stands that can legit kill you in “Only One Punch” if he gets a head hit you’re dead a chest hit you’re dead hell if he hits you in the nuts you’d probably die from shock lmao
Inside out balls
@@boredboi6279 *CBT-Moon*
@@boredboi6279 F future children
@@boredboi6279 ambatakum
@@johndoesstuff352 Ambateblou
When you think about it. MiH technically still have the ability to Speed up aging like what Pucci did after fusing with the Green Baby. Heck he could've used it against the Part 6 gang but he didn't use it because of the range of his Time Acceleration is now the whole Universe so if he uses that ability, all of the other Lifeforms in the Whole Universe will age and die too which is against to the Heaven Plan of making Lifeforms know their fates.
Pucci chose not to age organism his whole goal was to bring people into the new world and who know their fate
I think it’s more that he didn’t speed them up because he would have lost his overwhelming speed advantage. Yes, they would age much faster than everyone else if Pucci brought them into the accelerated time, but from their reference point they would age normally. Time is relative here. Since MIH has relatively normal stats otherwise, this would have been a really bad idea on Pucci’s part.
@@kokothekitsune this too
@@kokothekitsune I feel you but he stated he didn’t speed them up because he wanted the living people to be brought into the new world
@@cia3242 To my knowledge, there's not anything that explicitly states or implies that Pucci cannot pick and choose who is and isn't affected by MIH. In fact, its ability to single out all living things and exclude them from the accelerated time seems like a feat that would require pinpoint control of time. Is it really much of a stretch, then, to assume that he can choose only the Joestar group to be brought into the accelerated time, and not any other lifeforms?
It's even more terrifying taking into consideration that this doesn't even take into account the hypothetical of Pucci upgrading his stand to Requiem status. As busted as that (un)holy trinity of stands is, it stands to reason that with requiem it'd be all kinds of broken to an unfathomable degree.
Made in heaven practically is pucci’s requiem, there’s nowhere for it to go in terms of ability, this is exactly what he wants.
Dio: You know what kid, back in my day to get an ultimate stand you had to take 36 sinners, remember 14 words, take care of a stupid green baby, and go some stupid made up coordinates in florida.
Giorno: sure dad just give me my arrow back
I don't know what Araki was smoking when he put A in Development Potential for Made In Heaven
@@mgrdmcfansthatdontplaytheg781 because time continues to accelerate at a faster pace. If it was consistent, the potential would be lower.
I dont think its canon, but there is a version of MIH that is owned by Kars called Made in Heaven Ultimate Requiem
The thing about Made In Heaven is that-
It’s another stand that technically loses to just a regular gun…
Not really unless you can't dodge someone that needs to aim for more than 10 seconds
@@blastmole299 okay then lmao. pucci loses to an ai-controlled sentry gun
@@parry3439 Now that could work.
Now that I think about it Pucci was literally trolling Emporio at the gun scene where he was weaving left and right quickly cause he can easily predict where the bullet will travel to
Not really, Pucci yes, Made In Heaven no. You could probs say this to all stand users to downplay them tbh.
@@mgbm8335 The stand ability loses to just a regular gun because to Pucci the bullets would be moving at well- normal bullet speed he wouldn’t be able to dodge or react
And the stand itself has ZERO feats. Even during all of the fighting Pucci himself was the one doing all the damage
Mih: activates
Some random guy: Dry aged beef 985 days
11:44- glad someone acknowledges how strong Whitesnake is. Casual viewers see Whitesnake as a multi-power wimp that needs trickery to win and needing C-Moon and Made In Heaven evolutions to be a threat. Whitesnake is indeed a physical threat, it’s just that the heroes are unorthodox and use trickery to undermine him. It only gets stronger from there
No
@@bigbywolf5197 Yes WS is a strong stand
Also, he has a gun.
@@bigbywolf5197 y e s
@@bigbywolf5197 Yes, it managed to hit a distracted Jotaro, it's got at least a B if not a low A in speed.
Its kinda sad how C-Moon and MIH would suck to have irl, considering that with C-Moon you just cause destruction everywhere you go due to you being the center of gravity, and MIH not really being useable without resetting the universe
Well most of the stands would suck irl. Emperor is just a gun, Darby brothers take peoples' souls, Killer Queen just makes everything explode (maybe a bit useful, maybe), Purple Haze just kills you and everyone near, same with Green Day, same with the Grateful Dead. Unless you're willingly on the wrong side of the law, most stands would be unusable even if they don't kill people.
@@mirko241 Stands like The World or Golden Experience would be quite useful in my opinion. The World could just stop time whenever you need to, like if you’re in danger.
@@LangXiomeiWell, can’t you cancel MiH? Like, you get infinite speed for a few seconds and stop when the time acceleration starts really getting out of hand. So it’s basically The World with slightly more drawbacks.
I mean for MIH you can speed up the flow of time in REALLY small intervals, like make time move .300 milliseconds faster ( a second is actually 0.7 seconds). This way time wouldn’t be moving too crazy, but you’d still have a major advantage over everybody :)
@@Hkung-mu6cd nah the infinite speed would pretty much take everyone to the new universe.. maybe making 1000 years pass in a second for a few minutes would be better
I'd like to throw a correction in. Dio is referring to the fact that he is constantly letting his guard down and relaxing with pucci. Because of this, dio brings up pucci could kill him because of how deeply dio trusts him. Also during the time dio is talking with pucci hes much thinner and the scar is more prominent in his character, implying that the time he's spending with pucci is much closer to the time he recently escaped the coffin. So dio was still at a point where his timestop was 1 second at most, whcih is still a stretch, and his stand is still fairly week because he isn't used to the body
About him being thinner, it's just art style
My original interpretation of Pucci stand was that after the heaven plan was achieved, he would have 3 stands. White snake, c moon, and made in heaven. I was spoiled on a bit, but not enough.
It would be interesting to see a video made of the stand that actually managed to defeat this one, Weather Report.
Pucci is really powerful but he is still a human
@@hazio7574 Pucci + Stone Mask + Red Stone of Aja + Made In Heaven + Corpse Parts = God
@@juzox5161 he would only need aja stone mask,people don't realise HOW BUSTED kars actually was. he had 400+ IQ,was a vampire that was immune to the sun,could use ALL life creations so that would include stands as well which was not shown as he may have not known they existed,but he used hamon so he can def use stands too. he could literally BECOME pucci or anyone.
@@IrisBread i mean, idk if he could use stands
@@IrisBread stands are alien in nature
Honestly the design is horrifying almost ugly
Specially if you've seen the figurine they made for it
Props for araki for making it look badass in every scene it's in
Biblically accurate angel vibes
C Moon was more terrifying design wise, but Made in Heaven is insanely stellar design wise
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 true cmoon is something you might see in a nightmare
Thank you so much Metas for this wonderful video. And thank you for a wonderful year of Jojo analysis. 🎉🎄🤩
I think Made In Heaven requires time to make Pucci as fast as FTL. They explained that he could move like bullet train... I understand that while time goes he gets faster due to acceleration. i think there was more like Pucci's Battle IQ demonstration, like how he used palm tree for acceleration which trow him even faster with accelerated time + his speed.
The issue with lightspeed in media is that in order to be able to travel that fast you would need to have no mass whatsoever. That's why photons can travel at lightspeed and we can't, mass will inherently slow an object down.
@@Foogi9000
That would be case if this was not supernatural case :D How i say.. like Pucci himself should not be able to dodge star platinum which is definitely at least light speed or his attacks are like light speed level. for Pucci's case i think that Made in heaven ability made it logical so that when he runs like bullet train its like natural speed for him coz hes only one that somewhat merged with Acceleration so him being fast as light would be that time is accelerated so fast that his normal speed in accelerated time = light speed. he can probably go infinity by the stats of MIH.
@@d4cdeep507jotaros punches are at least light speed? Tf??
@Armored Man it's proven with star platinums fight with silver chariot. Silver chariot sliced a literal beam of light in half (which is a minimum of 15000x the speed of light) and star platinum easily kept up with it.
@@armoredman10it's shown many times in the manga and anime and explained in star platinums stand stats
Honestly, Weather Report and Heavy Weather deserve their own video as a terrifying Stand. It is main character levels of strong. Not only did it take down Made in Heaven, but its abilities are straight broken. There's also the crazy implications of what this Stand could theoretically do. Also the versatility in making a space suit? This Stand does so much more than the average "I control Weather."
I think Made in Heaven is actually the better reference, because it kind of spells out what Pucci wants for humanity.
Cool that Metas comes back at a very well made series. Really appreciate it 👍
Been loving your Terrifying Stands series so far, I was curious if you ever planned on doing a Terrifying Stand Users series, where you discuss the most creative & terrifying stand users, regardless if their stand is strong, weak or average.
Bruno Bucciarati, Anasui, Jolyne, to an extent Joseph Joestar, & Part 4 Jotaro, and probably even Rai when considering his raw intelligence.
With the snails, the snails themselves are probably not moving at the speed of the subliminal messaging. With outspeeding sp, Jotaro gets caught off guard for his daughter. Both of them show that ws is fast, but not faster than light.
White Snakes power isn't to take memory and stands specifically it's to eject aspects from a person as discs he just used it on those two predominantly
I wanna see the most terrifying stands: Underworld (this man can destroy a whole country depending on the event he dig)
Fr, he could dig up an atomic bomb. 💀
I literally finished Part 6 today and then this drops. I’m just getting back into the hype of JoJo to be honest 😂
Great video!
I’m gonna be entirely honest, before this video I thought Whitesnake was the weakest main villain stand. I didn’t even consider that it’s disc swiping was basically a one shot to anyone if Pucci jumps them. I thought Dio saying Pucci could kill him at any moment what just Dio boosting Pucci’s confidence. Really enjoyed this one.
Pretty sure the reason Pucci could see in stopped time was because of dios bone and how the green baby was a vessel of Dio himself. It would be quite the reach to say he has similar abilities to SP and TW
In terms of pure speed he is WAY Above them they could do a fusion dance and they wouldn't even come close
How do people keep thinking Whitesnake is stronger or faster than Stonefree? Pucci handcuffed himself to Jolyne, thinking to himself, "All I need is a single touch. This should be easy." He then gets beaten down by Stonefree so hard he immediately states that was a bad idea and needs to retreat. How could Araki make it clearer that Jolyne was stronger than Pucci? Was him running from her for most of the arc not a sign for anyone else?
Yeah how he scaled white snake was wack, pucci only beat weather report and ansui due to strategy and luck lmao
Finally someone whos making sense around here
Because is literally stated in JoJoveller lmao
@boh evidence? He didn't mention anything about the jojoveller. Also, that contradicts what happened in the story. If Pucci could one-shot Jolyne, then why didn't he?
@@fewglow5076
"He has a destructive power that is probably equivalent to an A or higher, although the parameters are unknown. He also has a speed of D, but this is probably due to his "mind-melting" ability, and in close-range combat, he's much faster than Stone Free."
>JoJoveller
I know he didn't mention JoJoveller, but at least it's not a far-fetched statement.
"this might be a bit deep for a UA-cam video on a channel with 20 subscribers"
and look where you are now
good job
I like the background context of Stairway to Heaven but I'm a bit biased to "made in heaven" as a name.
Very cool either way.
To be real I thought the same as well
I honestly hope we get one of these for Cream. Sure, it was a minor villains Stand (one who had a bigger kill count of main characters than the main villain of the Part), but Cream is one of the most powerful and honestly one of the SCARIEST Stands, it 100% could have been a main villains Stand and fit right in with the rest of the main villain Stands. Like, if Vanilla Ice wasn't purposefully trying to scare and mess with the other half of the Crusaders, he legitimately could have killed all three in one swoop. And then likely gone on to beat all the other Crusaders as easily. Not to mention Vanilla Ice being a vampire means immortality too, which is just even worse for anyone fighting this Stand because of the one time you can actually damage and hurt the user, they cannot die without a 100% confirmed head destroying attack. I honestly wish we saw more of the Stand because I feel like there's a lot of unanswered ways this Stand could be used. We know VI enters Cream when Cream eats itself, but can Vanilla Ice do this outside of Cream and create an invisible ball of void he can control and see with the downside being that he's vulnerable? If it can devour anything, what about air? What if it did something like The Hand where the ball of void began to eat air, and started sucking things in like a black hole? I feel like the main thing holding Cream back was Vanilla Ice's single minded use of it, and while it's very unlikely, I hope it gets the same treatment The World or Killer Queen got and returns in the alternate universe under a user who's much more experimental.
I still believe the song made in heaven has a heavy meaning on puccis character, the song made in heaven mentions things being “meant to be” which ties in with pucci and dios idea of fate, and sacrificing his life to achieve his goals
Awesome video as always Meta
Keep it up
Also I got a question if you’d be able to answer.
I’m planning to do some Jojo’s content starting next year as well and wanted to know if you had any trouble with strikes or claims related to Jojo’s?
3:32 Not just Dio's influence but the fact that killing them deliberately is a part of his plan
Jotaro becoming a vegetable to obtain the stand disc
Jolyne being taken to prison to bait Jotaro (and also to be killed to cover his tracks)
"Jolyne is small town level because planet waves"
Jolyne after that fight "it'll take me a few minutes to get through these bars"
Maybe we shouldn't break Jojo scaling using a calc based off a single panel establishing shot.
Seriously it spits in the face of every anti feat in the entire series and we are never even given confirmation that a)it's drawn perfectly to scale, like Araki was mathing out his cool exposition picture and b) that the rocks in the panel are the same rocks that went through the roof or c) the rocks were traveling at a consistent speed from when they started to when they hit the ground.
Regular punch ghosts are not small town level
It says in the manga that after the fusion, White Snake was gone and C-moon was now Pucci's stand. Every stand evolution adds a new ability and incresses the name, but White Snake's case on the outher hand is closer to a rebirth, throwing everything away and ascending to a new level.
Kinda like prestiging in video games.
Why does no one get the reason that Made In Heaven's original song inspiration, that being Stairway to Heaven, is literally referencing how the song itself plays out?
The thing about the song Stairway to Heaven is that it accelerates in time. It starts slow, with less instruments, and after every refrain, the song picks up in tempo (and in the employment of instruments).
And this is a VERY important feature of the song, because the very nature of the song was this increase in tempo, to the point in which it was mentioned to be a core part of it by Led Zeppelin.
What does Made In Heaven do?
It accelerates time. It speeds EVERYTHING up. And as it gets faster, things get more chaotic and crazy.
That’s another one I saw but I like the other one lol
I think one of the few Stands that could potentially counter MIH is oddly Set... it's unique ability to de-age people as well as their Stand would revert MIH and possibly erase White Snake if Puchi is made young enough
Jotaro had his stand for a short time before he met Alessi but merely being grazed by Set's shadow caused him to lose his Stand, in much the same way MIH would almost instantly turn into White Snake again... and depending on how the encounter is written, Puchi could find himself in a VERY bad spot
I really need a tier list of the strongest stands in order because power scaling these wacky abilities to each other is hard
The worse part of whitesnake is that the 'acgt' is in the wrong dna sequence
A thing that so many people miss, is that “infinite” speed, literally breaks causality to the point that anything could happen at any time, and you would have to deal with it. The effect can happen before a caus, which is really insane when you think about it. Not to mention, when he goes to that high degree of speed, special relativity makes it so time won’t even pass, making him also have infinite time stopping. I feel like a lot of people don’t understand this.
He has never reached that height of "infinite" speed and he quite literally has to build up to his maximum, also pucci can be out speed by organism with faster natural travel speeds if he chooses not to age them, which is why Emporio got away on the dolphin, he stll has limitations and if he physically cant move hes fucked so anything with a restricting enviormental effect can really mess with him
how can you watch the final fight and think he has infinite speed? It's disproven in the very first chapter of the arc god damn it
@@cccbbbccc5910 he isn't having infinite speed at first however at vanishing point pucci basically have infinite speed
Here's a thought of something kind of terrifying, Emporio's ability. He theoretically should have an entire past universe or two of ghost objects he should now be aware of to pull from. Maybe?
Nice video! Here’s some of my thoughts I had about the song Made in Heaven and MiH’s stand design.
I don’t remember much of the song lyrics to be honest, but one line that stuck with me was “It was meant to be.” Basically talking about how Pucci achieving was fate. It was meant to be.
As for MiH’s stand design, I always thought it was meant to be a horseman of the apocalypse.
For those who don’t know, the horsemen of the apocalypse were talked about in the Book of Revelations as beings that will be released from the four of the seven seals. Which kinda fits as a non-stand user seeing time accelerate, I would think the end is nigh. Also I’m not muslim, so correct me if I’m wrong, but I heard from my muslim friends that time acceleration is one of the signs of Judgement Day in Islam. Once again, amazing video!
I have to say that while the choice of making the music interpretation for made in heaven be on the original reference "stairway to heaven" I do believe it would have been very welcome to hear a comparison/contrast to the queen music, if anything for completion's sake.
Pucchi : It's over I have Infinite speed
Dolphin : Pathetic
I would just like to say even the Made in Heaven wasnt the original name, i think it was a fitting choice for a name change as made in heaven at least lyrically still stands up
At the end of the anime Emporio in english says he couldnt insert the disc himself and had the slight tap of MiH do it whire narrowly dodging the hit @METAs
3:12 "How come no one older than me ever seems to understand the things I wanna do?"
I dont know why but i found it funny that Pucci is older than the whole main cast except for Jotaro. With whom there is a one year difference (Pucci - 39, Jotaro -40)
If its all about the most terrifying stands around, then eventually we'll have to hear about the Jorge Joestar Novel and Kars
I think Made In Heaven is a better name for the Stand as it's about a man who suffers a horrible fate but realizes he can deal with it because it was meant to be as this fate was "Made In Heaven"
Considering this guy's user is my main in all star battle R it's nice to see the stands being talked about
Pucci after resetting the universe : ah shit , here I go again
7:00 the arrow moved on its own similar to how Kira got bites the dust
White Snake: has a 1 shot
C-Moon: Has a 1 shot
Made In Heaven: 1 shots everything in the universe
Sup, Italian here, we Italians can have darker skin tone, because of northern African migrations during the Roman empire and before it. A Roman emperor, Settimo Severo, was a black man, in fact. At the same time, due to Scandinavian migrations/invasions, we can also have blond hair. Of course it's an extreme case, but this might very well be.
If he outspeeds fate itself, does that mean he could outspeed GER's effect?
And is he actually moving at immeasurable speed? If he's affected by Time Stop, then he can't be because in order to be immeasurable you need to be moving outside the bounds of speed, distance or both. Like, your same personhood would have to exist in two locations at once or at different, exclusive moments in time, or you would need to be able to move freely even in the absence of time or, more appropriately, when time has been stopped. So if he's affected by Time Stop at all he's not immeasurable, I don't think.
Rather, I think he'd be moving relative to the speed he has set time itself to be. He appears to be moving insanely fast, but he's not immeasurable because he's still moving within his own perception/flow/experience/etc. of time. He still has to cross distances, and crossing distances still requires time despite his incredible speed, ergo not immeasurable.
Maybe I'm just carzy and remembering things wrong, though.
Adding to the “he should still have his other stand abilities “ argument, I’d 1) imagine the discs would vanish if the ability wasn’t a thing anymore. 2) pucci said he would deactivate MIH once emporio was off’d, meaning would he keep the MIH stand or would it revert to one of its previous forms until he activated the ability again?
mih does have it, emporio had pucci put the disc in him
@@cia3242 no, disc are permanent even after the stand doesn’t exist. Even non stand users can interact with it and insert it. U are just saying a bunch of head canon
The SMT music is sublime, liked the video just because of it
On your point about MiH retaining its previous stand abilities, it is not really the same as all of the other “evolved” stands you mentioned. It is different from the ACT stands and it is different from the stands that simply unlocked a new ability. Also, Pucci specifically says that “C-Moon is no longer his ability” after achieving Heaven. Pucci’s stand evolution is completely unique in the series, and is not comparable to other stand evolutions
Could you do a video on Catch The Rainbow? It may not be a terrifying or super powerful stand, but it's a really cool one and I really like it
Something I was thinking about, When the universe resets, everything that is alive would come back. So Kars would come back, but he would probably still be braindead. At the end when Pucci dies the universe resets back to the old one but some things are different, like Joylne is now Irene. the Joestars never had to deal with Dio OR his underlings. That's why her named changed to symbolize that she is no longer Jojo, having to deal with their curse/fate hence why it's called Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. But... Kars does not apply to that factor because Dio never had any influence over him. So Kars would be back, Maybe he is Cars now but his goal would still remain the same. Since Johnathan would've never learned hamon. There would be no Joseph to stop Kars. Kars would literally take over the planet like he wanted to.
This is basically the plot of the light novel "Jorge Joestar". Trust me, it gets insane *really* fucking fast.
Basically faster than Made in Heaven.
Dio was not erased by the Ireneverse, only Pucci. Otherwise, everything is essentially the same, so Kars is still in space.
Also face to face, Jotaro would have smoked the shit out of Pucci. It was literally a point that Pucci was avoiding coming into contact with them until he was fast enough that jotaro couldn’t do anything.
I like to think that White Snake is actually worse than most stands in terms of power and that's why Pucci didn't just end Jolyne after getting Jotaro's disc
and just because DIO said Pucci could kill him, doesn't mean he's stronger than him
just like Emporio wasn't stronger than Pucci but beat him with Weather Report's ability
It's funny how made in heaven hasn't even reached his fullest potential, pucci said that he had to repeat to make made in heaven reach higher
I'm surprised you didn't find the bit of information about Made in Heaven looking like some Indian God Avatar (literally, I just forgot which one) whose whole thing is actually governing some reincarnation or apocalypse power
Loved the video, man. Well explained
Stairway to Heaven always looked like a JoJofied "Horseman of the Apocalypse" to me, kinda fitting for what it does.
Hearing Persona 2 music in a JoJo video is fun
Which is kinda fitting since the universe reset in the persona 2 duology
@@blitzy1993 Damn, that makes sense
C-moon is physically weak without surface inversion which is why he stopped attacking jolyne after she used Mobius strips. Jotaro could've killed pucci there if he didn't care about jolyne
13:13 enigma. you could turn yourself into a piece of paper folded into a mobius strip
What?
You know, with Parts 6-8's main antagonist Stand abilities and how absolutely off the rails they've been compared to Parts 3-5, I can only imagine how the living hell Araki is gonna top it all in Part 9, assuming its gonna be the end.
You've got a Stand that literally ends the universe and rebirths it.
You've got another Stand that brings good fortune to the user and reflects misfortune while also retaining the ability of having access to infinite dimensions.
And you got a Stand that harnesses the series' most powerful concept, being so powerful it could *almost* solo it.
Honestly, trying to think of what Araki could possibly cook up is both painful and horrifying.
Remember when the strongest stand in Part 3 can stop time and punch really hard? Now in part 6-8 we literally have stands that can call asteroids from space or jump to different universes. The power-scaling is insane.
Wouldn’t be surprised if the main villain for part 9 can mind control GOD or some shit
The stand of part 9's antagonist is just gonna crawl out of the manga page and start attacking YOU.
Perhaps the power of Part 9’s antagonist is to use all the powers.
@@Brazman ah, yes. My favorite Stand, "Dragon Ball Kid Goku On God's Steroids".
You can say White Snake's ability is mind control
He can cast illusion, control people's action, plus stand and memory is part of the human mind so that's why he could took them out
I cant wait for part 9
Me too!!!
I cant wait to watch part 9 anime with my grandchildren
@@Superlizardy36I can’t wait to watch it from beyond with my great great grandchildren
The editor's notes in these videos always feel so.. oddly passive aggressive.
Meanwhile in moriocho
Haiyato: "Oh great, this again."
technically if you're moving infinitely fast your attacks would produce infinite kinetic energy
That's true, though that's for things with mass.
Do stands even have mass? Well, actually now that I think about it, they would to some extent or maybe it depends on the stand? Or maybe it depends on what the stand user wants? Like how SP phases through solid objects at times and at other times it hits them solidly
@@datalks3239 hmm, that’s an interesting thought.
“..And he gets cmoon, Basically the first fused stand in the series”
King Crimson: “Am I a joke to you? 😢”
What????
@@phngaming2769 There is a huge difference between 2 separate stands fusing together and a stand having a substand.
I think the reason he moved in stopped time is branched off the concept of stopped time being sped up
Pucci’s skin is dark to illustrate the duality against weather report. But I think it’s cause us tanned from the Florida sun.
Made In Heaven is practically a miniature god.
I have been watching you and I would like to say I've been fucking enjoying it. Thanks you for everything.
About the made in heaven having the previous stand's powers: silver chariot requiem exists.
I’ve been watching this channel for a while and I forgot to subscribe also is the pfp vegeta?
JoJo powerscaling is funny bc you’ll have all these crazy things but then if you compare it to another series they’d often get stomped by pure virtue of the Stand being strong but the User still being a normal human (with some exceptions) and thus susceptible to dying very easily lmao, especially if it’s a huge AOE attack. Oh well, powerscaling between different series is usually ass anyway
The race correction made me laugh because of how confusing Pucchi is
Hear me out:
In a 1v1 between Jotaro and Pucci it would be a matter of how long the battle drags on. C Moon could observe in stopped time, but it didn't actually move so if Jotaro activated stopped time and didn't have a Jolyne to protect when Pucci came near he could beat him. The thing is Pucci is smarter than that, so he would just keep increasing his speed until Jotaro couldn't observe him. So most likely Pucci would win.
P.S. Also we can clearly say that Made In Heaven doesn't have C Moon's abilities since those abilities would be really helpful in the fight against Emporio but weren't used at all
we can't clearly say anything considering he literally put a disc in Emporio, thats like saying pucci cant use acceleration anymore because he didnt against emporio, he couldn't breath or move properly Emporio legit made the oxygen levels that high its stated in the manga , also jotaro couldnt observe pucci thats why he stopped time to find where he was going to attack from, he does it multiple times so what are u talking about
This is why I put Made in heaven in my big three with Tusk, MIH, and GER, or if you want to take non cannon in then replace GER with TWOH
Think the most horrifying bit about C-moon Is the fact that you can react to time stop at all considering? That's how it started with star platinum This is a possible that c-moon existed Long enough that it wouldn't gain the ability to stop time
You see I really don’t agree with the whole Pucci being MFTL. For the Jotaro feat, same as you said, Pucci deliberately had to corner Jotaro in a situation where he could react in time. When it comes to the Dio feat, Dio says in it that it is because Pucci knows about his weakness to the sun and that he could kill him in his sleep. Nowhere does it say that in a direct confrontation of Whitesnake vs The World that Pucci would win.
Yeah
@@METAsMETAs thanks for responding! Personally I scale Part 6 characters around relativistic to be similarly in line with other parts like part 4 & 8 based on Jolyne punching the meteors. While I do somewhat agree with the whole Snail lightspeed scaling, it’s definitely hard to say whether or not they are the subliminal snails or actually the image of the snails from the rainbow. I lean more towards the latter though.
Could you maybe do a video on ultimate Kars vs Wonder of U? I think it'd be an interesting match up since Kars is immortal and It'd be interesting to see how WoU could deal with such a threat.
Very nice video, i enjoyed a lot, you are getting a like and subscribe, keep up the good work
10:49 this has to be my favorite Jojo pose
Reaching Heaven is the exact opposite of what you mentioned with “controlling your fate” @17:30. It’s accepting that your fate cannot be changed and to accept that reality. Pucci believed that fate was unchangable and unchallengeable. Only with the massive power of Made In Heaven could the fates of everyone (except for Pucci, which is why he lost; he didn’t know his own fate yet) be changed or controlled. Everyone else would just know how fucked they were for their life.
Though, now that I think about it, with Pucci’s universe Dio would know exactly how shit his life would turn out. I wonder if, in that brief existence of that universe, he was happy, or if DIO was just wrong about how revealing people’s fates and misfortunes to them would make them live in Heaven.
Lmao I guess my choice of words were bad there when I say “controlling your fate” just mean seeing it surprisingly you’re the only person I’ve seen so far criticize me on that lol
@@METAsMETAs Ha nice. I just thought another way to say about MIH is “accepting your fate” vs the concept of going beyond fate and controlling your fate that the JoJo MCs worldview is.