My computer really wasn't feeling up to snuff today, with that awful framerate and the ending getting cut off...but that's not the point anyway, and none of the video's value was lost. Links from the video: replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen7ou-680271 ua-cam.com/video/fXwWTe4YwIA/v-deo.html&ab_channel=BKC www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-ou-sample-teams.3695427/ www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-ou-sample-teams.3694551/ www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-ou-samples-thread.3686880/ www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-sample-teams.3687351/ www.smogon.com/forums/threads/adv-ou-sample-teams-and-team-dumps.3687813/ And as a bonus, my movie: www.indiegogo.com/projects/screamin-twenties/x/35670258#/
NixHex here. I spent several years doing copyediting for Smogon instead of playing the game, and the one thing I noticed was that the analyses are clearly written by fellow non-players. I can't tell you how many hundreds of analyses are written in a vacuum. "Magnezone can be used to trap and KO Skarmory to make way for your physical sweepers." Great, but how do I get Magnezone on the field in the first place? Especially when team preview came around, "just use Magnezone" isn't helpful against a good player who knows how to bait with double switches. Furthermore, rarely do the analyses explain how to use the opponent's fear of Magnezone against them and predict the opponent switching out Skarm, only for you to just send in something else. Competitive Pokemon is not an algorithm to be solved, and relying on strats to learn the game just hinders growth. I wish I had known then what I know now lol.
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 new players (the target audience of Smogon’s analyses) don’t get that, and it’s not explained to them in the analysis. Furthermore, even that solution assumes that the opponent is not going to predict that and send in their Lando-T, who beats your physical attacker AND Magnezone. Reading an article with perfect grammar but written by a non-player does not teach you these things.
Bkc, your entire channel could be classified as “saying the same thing over and over again in different ways, but it bears repeating because it’s true” and I love it for that
As someone who is frequently caught scrolling through the ADV OU 2020 team dumps because I suck ass at teambuilding but still want to use weird ass D-tier pokemon like Registeel and Sableye, I heavily appreciate this video. Thank you BKC
It doesn't help that the D tiers in ADV aren't even that bad and are sooooo funny..... yes I SHOULD learn the meta first but that steelix is calling my name!
What I really like about BKC's videos is that they're a good blueprint for the vids I want to be making for one of the games I play, and the competitive scene I'm trying to start up for said game.
@@dianauwu1312 it's called mechassault it's an old xbox mech shooter that I'm trying to help revive - the roster is decently sized enough that I can sort it into a smogon-like system of tiers, and concepts like wallbreakers and sweepers apply in there too
I think something that confused me in the past was knowing what a wincon really was. I think of it now as the Pokemon on your team that requires the least effort to be in a position where it beats the opponent. This can change from game to game.
I'll also say, don't be afraid to ask for advice from your opponents. When I was first getting into Gen 2 OU, whenever I lost to a high elo player, I would ask them, "Hey do you have any advice for how to improve my team? I'm not super familiar with the meta." I was effectively holding an exp share and leeching knowledge off of people. Sometimes I would get abstract advice that changed the way I thought about my team and the game, and other times I would get extremely specific advice like "Steelix would bring more value to your team than Skarm because he answers X." Over time as my knowledge improved, my team slowly evolved from a janky, gimmicky JoltWak team into what you referred to in a previous video as "the offense big 5" + Marowak. And I'm glad I slowly arrived at this team. If I had started with this team, I would not have understood how it worked.
Nidoking my beloved getting some love in the thumbnail. Using a Sheer Force one in the playthrough of X and it hits like a truck. One of my favorites :D
all of your metagame and replay analysis videos show concepts that are really useful for team building, it would be incredible to see you explore videos on this more often
This is one of my biggest issues for tiers I don't play often. For instance, trying to make a Monolax team in GSC. I was so focused on making up for Lax's weaknesses offensively and didn't know what to do after. Machamp for steels and rocks and then Pursuit Tar for Missy and Gengar, then Skarm to have some sort of Lax answer, Zapdos for the mandatory electric. After that, I just fell short. Couldn't come up with what I wanted to do for the last member, so I gave up and scrapped the team
As someone who played ou for years and was decent at building, I find that switching to another format entirely really gives you a unique perspective on building. For the last 2 years, I've played BSS (Nintendos official singles format. Lvl 50 build 6 pick 3) and the flow of teams in that format is entirely different from ou. Of course there's stall, hyper offense and such. But it's revealed a deeper level of sorts, especially observing Japanese veterans of the format. I very much suspect that translating those nuances back into 6v6 formats would result in some interesting stuff.
@RocketPropelledMexican there's a smogon affiliated discord with all English users. And a spot on the smogon forums for us. But I do agree that we need more resources for us western players. It's why a good portion haven't even heard of the format.
@@yungossan379 One of the best ways I find to get into a format is just to take a look at youtube commentary on gameplay. You'd usually get a sense of the turn by turn decision making process through that, and by extension what the meta dynamics are. And there is a sore lack of such videos for BSS.
@RocketPropelledMexican yeah. It's mostly Japanese stuff. I think anyone searching for bss will eventually find the discord, and it's an incredibly helpful community. One of the nicest on smogon, I've found. Sadly, we just don't have the western presence to get more eyes on us. And I've heard attempts have been made. Hopefully that will change, though. You'd be surprised how many western players are only aware of smogon 6v6 and don't even know other formats exist
@@yungossan379Is there a link to these Korean and Japanese sources? I'm fluent in Korean and partially capable of flailing through Japanese and I'd love to see the resources for myself
I'm not going to lie I don't thank players for bringing their funny red's team in gsc or mono normal type team because I want to have fun by testing my playing and teambuilding skills not sit through a brainless 75% I win 25% I get haxxed scenario
The concept can be broken down to what kind of thinker the players are and how that shapes the metagame as a whole. The left brain analytic thinkers that are aiming for the highest amount of consistency & coverage of the most amount of threats possible, essentially trying to create a concrete "Logic" or flowchart of the game they play, then the creative right brain thinkers that are constantly trying to break the mold and defy convention while trying to apply more "mental" pressure rather than technical in the middle of the battle by maintaining momentum, constant double switching, ect. (I.E. Blunder), conditioning you the entire battle to "force" you to play their game, trying to get you to crack and make mistakes. Left brain thinkers make the meta, right brain thinkers break it, and the left brain has to re-adapt and make a new meta. (until something SO concrete has become the standard that running anything else is extremely suboptimal and detrimental.)
Sometimes i try a pokemon just because. I caught a shiny Meditite ✨️ from a tera raid the other day and just started testing sets in ranked. So far ive landed on physical dmg, tera fighting Salac+endure with drain punch, axe kick, and zen headbutt for stab coverage. At the end of the day, tier lists and theory crafting only gets you so far. Just send it!
I think base building games and give a pretty good lesson in pokemon team building, the parallels are kind of apparent -- understand why starts work, understand every unit and your base will hold, until somebody skilled checks you. TBH it's kind of rough do you have jack of all trades knowledge to not be ass, and even then that doesn't stop the random -300 ELO transactions from happening at least weekly
If i had to, id use feraligatr with rain dance support and going all on the swords dance waterfall/aqua jet power, maybe even put mystic water for the extra water power lmao
@@Hologramburrito that is Gen V which I have tried. My goal would be to punish Gastrodon and Ferrothorn as much as possible and allow for Feraligatr to sweep. Also need good answers to Keldeo and Thundurus
oh, ive been looking for a video like this for a while! People always focus on the translations and applications of fundamental concepts when you try to ask them what fundamentals are, or just provide what's relevant to the given tier, the present mechanics and available pokemon and new items and abilities and movepools and such, and it gets tiring when you're trying to look for the pre-translated stuff. And on the topic of the whole Art thing - where do you think the line lies where expression in teambuilding, personal or otherwise, becomes detrimental to performance? How much is too much, how much objective inferiority can subjective comfort and pilotability cover for, how valuable is intention and synergy compared to general goodstuff?
Most of my teams end up sucking but I recently made a Starmie-lead ADV team by pretty much random and it suddenly started winning a bunch of games. I don't know how or why but sometimes teams hit and sometimes (mostly in my case) they don't. I suspect I'm going to be bashing my head into a wall for years to come until something sticks.
Hello Kevin, im unsure if you read these, but still. My brother loves Sceptile and wants to use it in ADV OU. Do you have any teams/team structures you could recommend?
I'll offer an answer. Perhaps the best Sceptile set right now will be Leech Seed, Substitute, and Leaf Blade. For 4th slot, you have Endeavor and Hidden Power Ice, to name a couple options. First, some issues: Celebi walls that, mostly. So partner Houndoom is a counter, Dugtrio is a check. Could also go for Moltres or Charizard instead, or Salamence or Gyarados. Skarmory can phaze it out. With Fire types, they can always just be switched in on, but Magneton obviously can render it a non-issue, and it has the added bonus of eliminating Forretress in the case of Sceptile lacking HP-Fire itself, which is crucial due to Rapid Spin de-seeding the user, and Sceptile having no other way to pressure it. And what if they have their own Fire type? Maybe you'll want a bulky Water or Blissey. And even though Blissey doesn't like getting Leech Seeded, without Spikes down, there's no issue just switching round and round till Sceptile's been PP stalled out of them---so strongly consider bringing Spikes. The strength is being able to pressure Blissey like this, who otherwise walls most special attackers. And generally, you can stall out almost every non-flying type like this because Sceptile is that much faster than they are, and again, with Spikes down, they are lacking in recourse; and with Endeavor, there's always a nasty surprise waiting if Sceptile's out of HP to sub with.
We have similiar issues in MtG but more confounded in that casuals hate on using "netdecks" whereas you guys seem to accept such a bit more. Casual MtG players often can't accept that sometimes people come to the same conclusion or that in spite of their conclusions are worse than other experts at making decks. It's silly really, it shows naivete in that not everyone has 20 hours a week to build the next thing or even if they had 40 would be better off using someone's else's list.
This doesn't matter for me . I play offensive my opportunities play Web/Gholdengo Crit . I play defense my opportunities play Hyper offensive and get crit . I play stole my opportunities play Hyper offensive and get crit . I play gimmick my opportunities get crit .
At some point this video might even be good.. but so far it's been 15min straight of saying "it depends" many times over, I'm clicking out tho wanted to share this as it might help you with future videos @BKCplaysPokemon
My computer really wasn't feeling up to snuff today, with that awful framerate and the ending getting cut off...but that's not the point anyway, and none of the video's value was lost.
Links from the video:
replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen7ou-680271
ua-cam.com/video/fXwWTe4YwIA/v-deo.html&ab_channel=BKC
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-ou-sample-teams.3695427/
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-ou-sample-teams.3694551/
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-ou-samples-thread.3686880/
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dpp-ou-sample-teams.3687351/
www.smogon.com/forums/threads/adv-ou-sample-teams-and-team-dumps.3687813/
And as a bonus, my movie: www.indiegogo.com/projects/screamin-twenties/x/35670258#/
"good teams tend to have more then one way to win"
*flashbacks to full baton pass teams*
NixHex here. I spent several years doing copyediting for Smogon instead of playing the game, and the one thing I noticed was that the analyses are clearly written by fellow non-players. I can't tell you how many hundreds of analyses are written in a vacuum. "Magnezone can be used to trap and KO Skarmory to make way for your physical sweepers." Great, but how do I get Magnezone on the field in the first place? Especially when team preview came around, "just use Magnezone" isn't helpful against a good player who knows how to bait with double switches. Furthermore, rarely do the analyses explain how to use the opponent's fear of Magnezone against them and predict the opponent switching out Skarm, only for you to just send in something else. Competitive Pokemon is not an algorithm to be solved, and relying on strats to learn the game just hinders growth. I wish I had known then what I know now lol.
send in your physical attacker. double in the skarmory switch. EZ W
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 new players (the target audience of Smogon’s analyses) don’t get that, and it’s not explained to them in the analysis. Furthermore, even that solution assumes that the opponent is not going to predict that and send in their Lando-T, who beats your physical attacker AND Magnezone. Reading an article with perfect grammar but written by a non-player does not teach you these things.
@@flashdrcThanks so much for sharing your expertise!
@@flashdrc I always got the feeling that those analyses were unhelpful and lacking
But it does make sense already that you're playing against other humans.
They know, you know they know and they know you know they know.
Bkc, your entire channel could be classified as “saying the same thing over and over again in different ways, but it bears repeating because it’s true” and I love it for that
As someone who is frequently caught scrolling through the ADV OU 2020 team dumps because I suck ass at teambuilding but still want to use weird ass D-tier pokemon like Registeel and Sableye, I heavily appreciate this video. Thank you BKC
It doesn't help that the D tiers in ADV aren't even that bad and are sooooo funny..... yes I SHOULD learn the meta first but that steelix is calling my name!
I have committed war crimes with registeel in the 1600s ADV ladder that mon doesn’t mess around
It's funny how I feel awkward with the Regis so I don't use them but facing them is annoying as hell
Love that you chose the battle of the Greatest Team Builder of all time as the intro battle.
"The XY OU metagame dangles from my [expletive]" -- Bung Yasedlord, 2014
@@BKCplaysPokemonCTT speaking facts
"the only thing you have to do- or if you wanna.." was so anime
"So anime" love it
What I really like about BKC's videos is that they're a good blueprint for the vids I want to be making for one of the games I play, and the competitive scene I'm trying to start up for said game.
What game?
go advertise somewhere else
@@dianauwu1312 it's called mechassault it's an old xbox mech shooter that I'm trying to help revive - the roster is decently sized enough that I can sort it into a smogon-like system of tiers, and concepts like wallbreakers and sweepers apply in there too
This sounds so vague and ominous tbh 😂
Palwords admin😂
I think something that confused me in the past was knowing what a wincon really was. I think of it now as the Pokemon on your team that requires the least effort to be in a position where it beats the opponent. This can change from game to game.
i remember when i was new, i thought a win con was just whichever 1/6 mons i had a set up set for or just winning a sac war
I'll also say, don't be afraid to ask for advice from your opponents. When I was first getting into Gen 2 OU, whenever I lost to a high elo player, I would ask them, "Hey do you have any advice for how to improve my team? I'm not super familiar with the meta."
I was effectively holding an exp share and leeching knowledge off of people. Sometimes I would get abstract advice that changed the way I thought about my team and the game, and other times I would get extremely specific advice like "Steelix would bring more value to your team than Skarm because he answers X."
Over time as my knowledge improved, my team slowly evolved from a janky, gimmicky JoltWak team into what you referred to in a previous video as "the offense big 5" + Marowak. And I'm glad I slowly arrived at this team. If I had started with this team, I would not have understood how it worked.
enjoyment rises, thanks bkc
Nidoking my beloved getting some love in the thumbnail. Using a Sheer Force one in the playthrough of X and it hits like a truck. One of my favorites :D
I think a video on team builders that bypassed all team building conventions and established new strategies and metas would be really interesting
CTC highlight reel
all of your metagame and replay analysis videos show concepts that are really useful for team building, it would be incredible to see you explore videos on this more often
This is one of my biggest issues for tiers I don't play often. For instance, trying to make a Monolax team in GSC. I was so focused on making up for Lax's weaknesses offensively and didn't know what to do after. Machamp for steels and rocks and then Pursuit Tar for Missy and Gengar, then Skarm to have some sort of Lax answer, Zapdos for the mandatory electric. After that, I just fell short. Couldn't come up with what I wanted to do for the last member, so I gave up and scrapped the team
Either forre or cloy to be a spiker. Prob forre for spikes and spin
Put smt random, play with it, see what you are losing to
As a competitive Pokemon team myself I can confirm this is true
I'm much more interested in abstracted, more widely applicable videos like this. I vote for more of it!
I’ve always known, in my tired heart, How to build teams in competitive Pokemon
As someone who played ou for years and was decent at building, I find that switching to another format entirely really gives you a unique perspective on building. For the last 2 years, I've played BSS (Nintendos official singles format. Lvl 50 build 6 pick 3) and the flow of teams in that format is entirely different from ou. Of course there's stall, hyper offense and such. But it's revealed a deeper level of sorts, especially observing Japanese veterans of the format. I very much suspect that translating those nuances back into 6v6 formats would result in some interesting stuff.
BSS doesn't have enough resources in English, would be great for more people to translate between JP/KR who have larger BSS community
@RocketPropelledMexican there's a smogon affiliated discord with all English users. And a spot on the smogon forums for us. But I do agree that we need more resources for us western players. It's why a good portion haven't even heard of the format.
@@yungossan379 One of the best ways I find to get into a format is just to take a look at youtube commentary on gameplay. You'd usually get a sense of the turn by turn decision making process through that, and by extension what the meta dynamics are. And there is a sore lack of such videos for BSS.
@RocketPropelledMexican yeah. It's mostly Japanese stuff. I think anyone searching for bss will eventually find the discord, and it's an incredibly helpful community. One of the nicest on smogon, I've found. Sadly, we just don't have the western presence to get more eyes on us. And I've heard attempts have been made. Hopefully that will change, though. You'd be surprised how many western players are only aware of smogon 6v6 and don't even know other formats exist
@@yungossan379Is there a link to these Korean and Japanese sources? I'm fluent in Korean and partially capable of flailing through Japanese and I'd love to see the resources for myself
Benjamin Kellan Chandler
Finally. I can teambuild.
Look up OU rankings, stick the top 6 pokemon together.
Done
Ohh boy, you don't know how long i have been waiting for this video.
Thank you for the amazing content as always.
Nice mixture of Pokémon and existentialist thought in here
GOAT concept
bee kay cee
The BKC archives go crazy
I'm not going to lie I don't thank players for bringing their funny red's team in gsc or mono normal type team because I want to have fun by testing my playing and teambuilding skills not sit through a brainless 75% I win 25% I get haxxed scenario
if ur getting haxxed 25% of the time its your fault
@@Rose-ez7yn these figures were plucked out of thin air it's not supposed to be genuinely representative
The concept can be broken down to what kind of thinker the players are and how that shapes the metagame as a whole. The left brain analytic thinkers that are aiming for the highest amount of consistency & coverage of the most amount of threats possible, essentially trying to create a concrete "Logic" or flowchart of the game they play, then the creative right brain thinkers that are constantly trying to break the mold and defy convention while trying to apply more "mental" pressure rather than technical in the middle of the battle by maintaining momentum, constant double switching, ect. (I.E. Blunder), conditioning you the entire battle to "force" you to play their game, trying to get you to crack and make mistakes.
Left brain thinkers make the meta,
right brain thinkers break it, and the left brain has to re-adapt and make a new meta. (until something SO concrete has become the standard that running anything else is extremely suboptimal and detrimental.)
I NEED ETH BREAKING STALL VIDEO SO MUCH PLZ
Sometimes i try a pokemon just because. I caught a shiny Meditite ✨️ from a tera raid the other day and just started testing sets in ranked. So far ive landed on physical dmg, tera fighting Salac+endure with drain punch, axe kick, and zen headbutt for stab coverage. At the end of the day, tier lists and theory crafting only gets you so far. Just send it!
I think base building games and give a pretty good lesson in pokemon team building, the parallels are kind of apparent -- understand why starts work, understand every unit and your base will hold, until somebody skilled checks you. TBH it's kind of rough do you have jack of all trades knowledge to not be ass, and even then that doesn't stop the random -300 ELO transactions from happening at least weekly
Wondrous
Personally my goal is to build a Feraligatr team in Gen IV OU that works very well. Open to ideas that allow me to maximize its success.
If i had to, id use feraligatr with rain dance support and going all on the swords dance waterfall/aqua jet power, maybe even put mystic water for the extra water power lmao
@@Hologramburrito that is Gen V which I have tried. My goal would be to punish Gastrodon and Ferrothorn as much as possible and allow for Feraligatr to sweep. Also need good answers to Keldeo and Thundurus
@@TheHero136 i mean, permanent sand is pretty rough for feraligatr, and i know rain dance isnt consistent in gen 4 but i would go for it if i had to
oh, ive been looking for a video like this for a while! People always focus on the translations and applications of fundamental concepts when you try to ask them what fundamentals are, or just provide what's relevant to the given tier, the present mechanics and available pokemon and new items and abilities and movepools and such, and it gets tiring when you're trying to look for the pre-translated stuff.
And on the topic of the whole Art thing - where do you think the line lies where expression in teambuilding, personal or otherwise, becomes detrimental to performance? How much is too much, how much objective inferiority can subjective comfort and pilotability cover for, how valuable is intention and synergy compared to general goodstuff?
“Yeah, Superman loses to Regice if you’re BAD!”
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Most of my teams end up sucking but I recently made a Starmie-lead ADV team by pretty much random and it suddenly started winning a bunch of games. I don't know how or why but sometimes teams hit and sometimes (mostly in my case) they don't. I suspect I'm going to be bashing my head into a wall for years to come until something sticks.
Hello Kevin, im unsure if you read these, but still. My brother loves Sceptile and wants to use it in ADV OU. Do you have any teams/team structures you could recommend?
I'll offer an answer.
Perhaps the best Sceptile set right now will be Leech Seed, Substitute, and Leaf Blade. For 4th slot, you have Endeavor and Hidden Power Ice, to name a couple options.
First, some issues:
Celebi walls that, mostly. So partner Houndoom is a counter, Dugtrio is a check. Could also go for Moltres or Charizard instead, or Salamence or Gyarados.
Skarmory can phaze it out. With Fire types, they can always just be switched in on, but Magneton obviously can render it a non-issue, and it has the added bonus of eliminating Forretress in the case of Sceptile lacking HP-Fire itself, which is crucial due to Rapid Spin de-seeding the user, and Sceptile having no other way to pressure it.
And what if they have their own Fire type? Maybe you'll want a bulky Water or Blissey.
And even though Blissey doesn't like getting Leech Seeded, without Spikes down, there's no issue just switching round and round till Sceptile's been PP stalled out of them---so strongly consider bringing Spikes.
The strength is being able to pressure Blissey like this, who otherwise walls most special attackers. And generally, you can stall out almost every non-flying type like this because Sceptile is that much faster than they are, and again, with Spikes down, they are lacking in recourse; and with Endeavor, there's always a nasty surprise waiting if Sceptile's out of HP to sub with.
Yes!!!!!!
We have similiar issues in MtG but more confounded in that casuals hate on using "netdecks" whereas you guys seem to accept such a bit more. Casual MtG players often can't accept that sometimes people come to the same conclusion or that in spite of their conclusions are worse than other experts at making decks. It's silly really, it shows naivete in that not everyone has 20 hours a week to build the next thing or even if they had 40 would be better off using someone's else's list.
it was a slideshow video for the first 5 minutes
I would be the greatest competitive Pokémon singles player, IF I knew how to make a good team
Step 1, get Miraidon
Step 2, level it up
Step 3, ev train/bottle cap it
Step 4, destroy noobs
Why did it take 15 minutes to get to the information I can use?...
This doesn't matter for me .
I play offensive my opportunities play Web/Gholdengo Crit .
I play defense my opportunities play Hyper offensive and get crit .
I play stole my opportunities play Hyper offensive and get crit .
I play gimmick my opportunities get crit .
You need Shell/battle armor
I feel like emvee is the abstract artist of the genre
At some point this video might even be good.. but so far it's been 15min straight of saying "it depends" many times over, I'm clicking out tho wanted to share this as it might help you with future videos @BKCplaysPokemon