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This is why I try not to check the scoreboard too much during or after games unless I'm checking how many times I've died (or why the Genji on our team somehow ended up with 50 kills when he had 6 before).
yup, nerf Genji.
jk
Scoreboard never determine a games outcome I’ve found out. It’s just a “oh I did more *random stat* than you so I’m better”
its good to look at to know who in your team and who on the enemy has ult. Also, death counts can probably tell you who you should help more. But of course theres some people who have a bad game and end up with high deaths either way
I actually do peek at it when I play mercy to make the split decision on who is making better use of my DMG beam
Looking at the scoreboard shows you who is waiting to respawn and knowing which person on the enemy team has the most deaths can help you identify the weak link your team needs to focus
I'm in silver 2. I just laugh when people talk about so-n-so sucks, etc. "Bro, we're in silver. We all suck. 😂"
I have bad reaction time but I do have enough functional brain left to not stand in the middle of the open or 1v5 or spam for heals when everyone is dead. There's bad aim aspect that games can measure and stupidity aspect that games can't measure. That's frustrating
Lol I just had a game where my sombra was flaming my bastion because they went 13 and 10 but what the sombra didn't realize was that the bastion was the true tank of our team. With their face they braved countless reaper, tracer and ramattra dives complete with death blossoms, pulse bombs and annihilations directed specifically for them. I was on ram as well so because they wasted so many resources on our bastion I was able to just play the game. If I joined the sombra in flaming the bastion I would've missed a chance to actually be able to make plays on tank without getting deleted on sight. Shoutouts to that bastion for getting deleted on sight and our mercy for rezzing them so the rest of us could have fun
Weird to think that bastion is more likely to get the enemy cool down simply because he's a bigger slower target
@@noturdad101 people are also just wired to see bastion as a huge primary threat so they go in on him specifically
@@Chaimelo mostly because a lot of people don't take cover when he is in turret form XD. At least that's why I go for him when he is played by the enemy
@Nemo.404 true. Some people kinda forget to play corners and use natural cover.
Something in my brain has flashbacks whenever I see bastion bc I just remember ow1 bastion with pirate ship / double shield
Did you say nice things in game? I'm sure the Bastion player would've loved to have heard it
22:30 FYI to anyone new, suzu (cleanse) will not unpin your teammate from a rein pin. All you can do is negate the damage if timed correctly against the wall he pins at.
I’m masters and I didn’t know that lol. Granted I play way more Ana than Kiri but that’s good to know haha
@@pykeplayer4007boosted
@@pykeplayer4007the only way is to “prevent it” before they even get pinned you suzu because it gives them the I frame to go though instead of pinning
Best suzu is when you see a doomfist punching through you and flying off the map because of cleanse.
ty :) didn't know that.
dude was trying to keep that k/d up
It feels like they were scared to take risks and ended up leaving their tank out to die. Even the Ana was closer to the tank than the kiri.
Yup, I'm guilty of this myself. I get stuck on noy dying.
In OW1 the best thing a support could do is not die, because good support play could make up for a dead DPS or Tank. But that went out the window with OW2 and keeping the single Tank alive becoming the most important teamfight factor instead of both supports being alive.
A lot of people never unlearned this, and they taught it to new people in OW2.
Tired of LWs and mercy OTPs that pretend they were impactful because they had 0-2 deaths through the game, meanwhile I go spectate them and they're literally already booking their flight to cancun as soon as they see someone die. Or LWs playing literally on the other point, which at that point they couldn't heal or pull or tank that made space
Someone called them out (our tracer) and they said "I literally had 1 death and 15k heals like???" these players play for stats and KD, no for the win.
As someone stuck in ana and kiri jail, it sucks to get a support like that. This happened in masters 1 which is crazy
Emongg, as a former bronze player, I’m telling you, stats mean everything to them. They think seeing 5 digits under damage or heals mean they carried when their KD is 15-20
As someone in bronze since 2019 in OW1, yes we do.
I love when my silver team loses and my tank complains that he had 18K damage as if it means anything when they had barely any kills or impactful picks and the enemy had a roadhog lmao
Am I allowed to complain if my tank Winston ended up with 189 damage after one round of kings row while mitigating 5,000 I think they just jumped stood still died and repeat
@@anisacowhy even mention "barely any kills" if you're going to immediately pull a 180 and claim it doesn't matter how many kills they had?
@@jamesmcdonnell2455 I said it doesn't matter how much damage they had. Not kills
"My tank should be aware of my positioning at all times, but I won't make an effort to tp to them myself once" 😌
The amont of time I TP on my tank to heal them and they just leave and then they go "I need healing" bro I just TP on you and leaved me ....
well, both situations happen frequently. However, both rolls, especially supports, have a hero to swap to, in this case, for each tank and their playstyles. Sometimes, your tank in low ranks will just walk in and eat damage, expecting unlimited heals 24/7. Go Moira, and if that doesn't work, switch heroes to deal with your tank's stupidity instead of their pick. Just understand your role and know the jobs of each hero in your role. There are answers for nearly every situation. You have the agency it really does come down to getting better. When it clicks, you will know, and the game will feel much more fun and rewarding. The bottom line is that you gotta figure out a solution and execute it. We are gaming. We're not here expecting the game to play 4/5ths of itself.
Optimal TP usage was scarce imho
Kiriko's ultimate value comes from her ability to reposition instantaneously, using her Swift Step (TP); something that wasn't really taken advantage of in this particular POV. I understand that on eye test, the Tank is probably just gonna make you ded often, but doing nothing is worse imho.
Her Kunai is great, I get it, but if you focus on its usage too much? Then you're basically not getting all the value that Kiriko presents/offers.
Can't do much while the tank is respawning, it's worth taking the risk to try and save them. However, if Kiri blows their CD's to save them and dies a moment later, they will look bad and likely be flamed into never making those plays.
"Kiri stop feeding"... lol
@@i.r.weasel7042 cuz they are feeding most of the time when they do that lol, shouldnt NEVER try to make those plays but definitely should learn to know when a play CAN be made.
This guy thought this game felt horrible, now imagine his tank felt with such support 😢
i feel so bad for that ramattra bro they did not try to keep him alive
I am somewhat new to Emongg's content...Every time I watch one of these coaching vids it shows how much of an actual sweetheart of a man he is. Like even when he is frustrated, he is nice about it.
What kills me is nobody realized he hasn’t switched the option to throw the ofudas separately. Every time he uses the heals it shoots all 5, that kills me every time.
i had no idea you could do this?
The fact there are bronze players with this kind of ego is wild
Their description of the game is exactly what I expect from a bronze support. “My dps sucks and my tank isn’t tanking the I think they should even though I’ve never played tank or dps a day in my life”
Dps is easiest. Just hit the enemy 😂
@@JPIQQG agreed, I play all roles but when I wanna stop thinking, I queue dps 😂
Sadly It’s not exclusive to bronze, most supps in every rank think like that😔
Literally 80% of the playerbase has no actual idea how to play tank propperly @@Hampternin
@@Siks7Ate9 that’s a whole different topic lmao, I’m talking about the exception
having good positioning is so hard in metal ranks because you can take actual good positioning with high ground and stuff or you can play with your team if they're not taking good positions. i've had way more success climbing by playing with my team but still using los but it hurts my soul when i watch your vids and know my positioning could be better and allow for way more lmao
Imo good positioning IS being with your team. I think it's better to think more about realizing value than following some arbitrary principals like "high ground is best". Where in this moment do you have the most value? Sometimes that's high ground, sometimes that's main, sometimes that's flank, but almost always the most value is realized by playing with your team, wherever that happens to be in the current moment.
Yeah i see good positioning as more of a checklist than a yes-or-no thing. There's having good cover, there's playing within your team's LOS, there's controlling sightlines for the enemy team, there's playing high ground, etc etc and you generally wanna do as many of those as you can.
Good positioning is more than just taking high ground. You can ALWAYS play with your team while ALSO having good positioning.
btw, playing with your team doesn't NECESSARILY mean being all grouped up together. in some team comps, that's how you want to play with your team, but playing with them just means going in when they do, backing up when they do, etc. you will play with your team differently when you have a wrecking ball vs a rein, for example. playing with a ball means you go in when ball does, but it doesn't mean following the ball around. with a rein, typically, most of the team will play roughly grouped up with the rein with maybe 1-2 people going for an off angle. this can absolutely vary and depends on the situation, your team comp, their team comp, whether an off angle is needed or whether you need to maintain frontline pressure, etc.
I just want to clarify because "playing with your team" is a more nuanced concept than the phrase implies!
Disagree
Something everyone should realize, regardless of rank: The abilities your hero comes with, automatically demand a responsibility from you. It demands that you make use of those abilities actively and consistently -and if you don't, you're playing the wrong hero.
You need to adapt a playstyle where TP and Suzu and wallclimb is an active enabling aspect of your playstyle, otherwise playing Kiri is a waste of time. It's like going to war with an assault rifle, but only using single-fire mode. You NEED to be able to use all the options your kit allows you to use, and you need to experiment with playstyles that are enabled by these abilities and opportunities they bring.
Another example, Mercy: If you don't use her flight as a core part of your playstyle, and if you only yellow beam as your generic way to get value, you're not a Mercy player. You're just a player who happens to be stuck on Mercy. Every single hero is like this, and the sooner you start experimenting with playstyles that are fully and consistently enabled by the kit of the hero you've picked, the better.
i am terrible at using wall climb ngl... idk why but i find it so hard to do on console
@@MonkeyBanjo7 Because under default keybinds, you have to use your thumb to either aim or to wallclimb with X. There's a lot of ergonomic issues that make mouse and keyboard better than controller when it comes to Overwatch specifically. I have the same issues with Pharah and trying to aim while flying.
8:00 might as well be in spawn, they’re not participating in the team fight at all and they have the nerve to complain about their tank sigh 😤
They won that fight if they were up with the team.
i feel like lower rank players sometimes are not willing to w key with the team and then blame their team when they lose a 4v5
@@cmaxious it would be one thing if they were Ana, someone that WANTS to play back, but kiri sniper heals just ain’t it
With both cooldowns up no less
I know that Emong said that he focuses more on the basic stuff to give some advice on but in Numbani, there's so much high ground that I love to climb on as Kiriko. You can go heal more up there if you want but having presence on high ground and having people look at you as a distraction can be helpful already.
"kiri is a well balanced hero"
the person in question playing kiri:
They're just watching their tank slowly die all the time and keep on healing nothing but air 😂
I try not to let the scoreboard influence me too much, but last night I had a match that just felt like we were getting completely overrun. I was playing Zen while the other support was Ana. After the first round, I noticed I had about 3k heals; our Ana had 155. No wonder we were getting stomped
Yeah last night I had a game where like a minute in our tank had 0 damage, 0 assist, 0 damage blocked... like he wasn't even playing the game
Scoreboard tells a lot more in metal ranks. This opinion that stats dont matter really mostly pertains to higher elo matches. Its partially true for metal ranks too. But I cant tell you how many times im putting up ungodly (IMPACTFUL) numbers and i check the scoreboard & someones feeding or refusing to heal or not shooting back. Stats tell a lot more in metal ranks in my experience
@@WhereIsYourIDno, they tell even less in metal ranks. They tell you what number you hit, they dont tell you how well you played your hero.
The stats mean more in higher ranks because people actually know how to use every hero effectively and how to get the most of out ever ability.
Also in metal ranks people just shoot a tank 80% of the game while they counterswap them.
In overwatch 1 I was hardstuck high silver low gold on dps. Why is this relevant?
Because I had absolutely no space whatsoever as dps. I have had multippe games with over 45k damage and 70 elims with 8 deaths and no mercy pocket.
I lost because my tanks would refuse to take or clear highground with me. I literally couldn't play better and I would lose because I couldn't clear the highground because a sigma mercy and ashe sat ontop of it and just killed half my team every single fight.
In ow2 I was plat 1 untill a couple of seasons ago when I stopped playing really. Why was I plat 1? Because I had way more opportunity to offangle or make my own space and not everyone is behind a sigma shield with a mercy pocket all game long.
Also those damage numbers I mentioned where all with either ashe or hanzo gameplay or tracer/genji
@@WhereIsYourIDI get that’s your experience then you have to play more because it’s not true. Scoreboard is only useful for ULT checking, which teammate is respawning, and death numbers. That’s it. Shooting a tank and dropping over 15k DMG is not impactful.
@@Siks7Ate9 Tbh it just sounds like you ranked up because there was one less tank in the game which meant you could continue doing the braindead plays but not get punished for it as much. You didn't get better at the game, the game just changed.
Theres no better feeling than playing tank and being told its your fault by lesser players
Yeah, though Tbf, their tank was shyte, but enemy tank was worse lol.
@HueyFreeman666 I mean this was bronze so...
@@Siks7Ate9 Yeah people expect all us lower players to actually be good when in reality we're all bad in many ways, but still we get crapped on for not being good enough~
They're all the same rank lol "lesser" is aggressive.
Lesser players?? you're in the same rank as them wdym??
I enjoy this kind of spectate. Some packages on heroes take a bit more timing to work, but bronze rank you are generally coming out of QP experiences. Generally a QP is more death match, so using the abilities correct are so different in comp. My opinion anyway. Thanks for the video!
Im indifferent about stats. Lets be honest, they matter. They just dont matter as much as some people think. Im in metal ranks, I play with my friend a lot whos a Tank main, and im a DPS/Supp flex. My friend absolutely sucks at DPS. He always tries to queue it (which is ok to want to improve) and his stats are always just awful. Im talking low damage output, cant get any kills (which isnt the tell all because if you lose team fights as a team nobody's really getting kills), and the biggest of them all hes absolutely feeding. Like 15+ deaths consistently. Which wouldnt be a problem if he didnt always blame our randoms. I say all this to say, at a certain point stats stop mattering but until that point, theyre an easy way to tell whether someone is being impactful at a base level, ESPECIALLY in metal ranks. Higher ranks they tell a lot less of the story. In metal ranks the surface level shit matters. If you have someone not healing or someone not putting out consistent damage and finishing kills it has a bigger effect on the game in metal ranks.
Also want to add that I completely agree with Emonggs opinion in general. Just wanted to give another perspective
Eh, im a support player and ive had plenty of games where my tank is topping the charts in damage and elims and my dps are struggling because my tank is playing way too aggressively and is taking all my resources to keep alive, leaving nothing for my DPS. Ive also had games where I begin to pocket my weaker teammates and they start getting much higher numbers, because the resources im giving them help patch up their mistakes and allowing them to rack up a lot of damage and kills. Im a horrible Widow but i often get a lot more damage and sometimes even more elims than better widows because im hitting 3-4 body shots where a good widow would get a kill with 1 clean headshot.
I think we have that same friend
They only matter in the context of telling if someone is actually doing anything. Even then, it doesn't tell the whole story. For example, if you've got 500 damage and 8000 heals on Ana or Kiri, you're doing it wrong. I think outside of some supports, there's not a whole lot you can deduce from stats.
Other than situations like that, what's the different between a Genji with 8k damage vs 10k? It's impossible to tell. The 8K damage could be mostly squishies and the 10k could be farming the tank, in which case the 8K is probably getting more value. Or they could both be killing squishies, so MAYBE the 10K damage Genji is more impactful.
As for accuracy: outside of possibly Widow it's a completely useless statistic. There's almost no reason not to just spam in the general direction of the enemy team during the poke phase or between team fights.
Played like a scared little B the last 2 minutes. You have 2 min left and like 15m left on cart. You only need to win a single fight but have enough time for at least 2-3 full regroups. So make a play, if it works out you win, if it doesn't work out you can try again.
Like at 26:56. They let their tank die but the dva is dead as well so the fight is still winnable. But whats the win condition here? Its the soldiers flank to the right, he read that situation perfectly. Either you make an aggressive play and clear the cart before the dva gets back or you don't. If you don't you might as well die fast and regroup in spawn. Ana can't disengage, soldier can't disengage, they're commited.
So she should've tp'd in and enabled that soldier. If it doesn't work she just dies and regroups in spawn with the rest of the team.
PSA to all the low elo players, scoreboard doesn't matter. If you blame your teammates and use the scoreboard to do so, you have a fundamental misunderstanding on how you should be playing Overwatch. You're not alone, but it is time to change that mindset. At least if you want to get better at the game. I was hard stuck bronze for years until I realized that it wasn't my teammates that were the issue, and I have now climbed up to gold. Stop letting your ego get in the way of your gameplay. Just play the game, and play with your team. As long as you're playing at the pace of your team a game will be winnable no matter how close it is...
I want to say, climbing this far hasn't been easy because of these people. I don't think they are bad players. But once you start blaming your teammates your mindset changes. So in order to climb with these people on my team. In all the games I win I am always making sure I have the most kills. Because they won't say anything to you if you have the most kills. Once I have the most kills, I communicate with my team as much as I can and try to be the best team player I can possibly be. I also make sure that anyone I see on the scoreboard who is struggling gets some extra support, because we all have those games. And being down one is all it takes for the enemy to have that advantage. At least that's how I have been able to rank up. Because I know the more support and praise I give my teammates the better they will perform and I will perform well because I am able to help them with those plays. Huge thanks to Emongg, if it weren't for his spectating videos and his attitude towards Overwatch, I wouldn't have ever got any better. And I probably would've stopped playing tbh. Emongg is the GOAT!
If the scoreboard didn't matter, it wouldn't be there
@@jamesmcdonnell2455 they don't literally mean the scoreboard is useless because it does have a purpose. it tracks damage, healing, etc. but that doesn't mean the scoreboard is a useful shorthand for determining who is contributing meaningfully and who is playing poorly. the game is more complex than that.
One thing I notice is a lot of players seem to face a lot of sudden pressure that they wouldn't have to had they taken their good mechanics and targetted some squishies instead of farming damage on a tank with a massive health pool and double support pocket. A dead enemy soldier or mercy does a lot more for your team than a half health enemy Mauga
There's a lot to be said about EFFECTIVE healing. They may have had acceptable stats, but they weren't healing effectively. Also there's a lot to be said about the way they actually mechanically use their healing. Most of the time only like 2 ofudas hit their team mate because they sway from side to side too much. So many times they threw blue at their tank and then looked away like "I tried lol bye".
YES, this is such an important point. it's not about how much healing you do. it's about whether you were healing the people who needed healing the most when they needed healing. it's about prioritizing. healing target priority is just as important as regular target priority!
"Stat queen syndrome" typical Bronze players mentality
And she's definitely a Moira main as well😂
Yep, Moira naturally gets high dmg/heal stats just from playing the game and hitting buttons. If Moira DOESN'T have high stats, that's unusual, lol.
I hate hearing moiras talk about their stats, its just bloated
@heartcoma I always tell them look at my amazing mitigation stats when I'm playing tank and they tell me 'I don't care', I then respond with I don't care about your stats either so just play something with utility? I have literally asked a moira to get off moira and go zen because they said we need more damage and I couldn't get them to understand we didn't. I just went ball and we ended up playing mercy zen and I just killed half the enemy team with our genji over and over and over because finally we had utility.
Until you face a good Moira who is unkillable, keeps their team alive, and knows when to ult and how to ult. It's easy to hate on Moira, but being a good Moira, that's hard.
@@azeplayt4546tbh true. I personally will have some good moments where I'm doing the right things and then it's like I black out and somehow end up in the enemy backline and get rolled. it's not intentional, it just happens, it's like a health condition. Moiras who really understand how to balance everything have my respect.
As a low gold support player, I'm insulted by the people in this comment section that think this person could be any higher than mid silver at absolute best. Someone said PLAT? No way in hell. If this was my teammate in one of my games, I would assume they were boosted.
Soooooo many people, even in Gold, think that kills and damage tell how good someone is.
that type of people exist in every rank 😢
Being scared to die in a game you can respawn in is wild
First thing she needs is to turn off auto heals from the settings 💀
hi im quiet new. what does that setting do and why should it be turned off? (thx in advance!!) 🥹
the main issue I saw was target prioritization but that applies to the whole team....the supports and DPS were low a lot but they kept going for tank first which is backwards
Lol I took a break for four months and was normally silver 5 on support. When I ranked up again, I was silver 3 on support with Mercy only. Best games I play are when I dont check stats and just play my own game. Focus on yourself and dont blame teammates cause its bronze they are still learning too. I have seen games where the other teams have higher kills and we still win. Also, watch replays it helps a lot.
I can definitely agree there is a lot of moments where this kiri plays the range that I’ll play on Ana a lot of lower players don’t understand that kiris heals have quite a long travel time that when your playing at a long range it really really won’t make an impact of you spamming heals on the other side of the map
It's the same for gold and plat players. All they care is about how much heals I did. they don't see the elims/dmg or deaths involved in the game. I had the other healer crying and lost us the game by taking my character on purpose. The game was in overtime and I played Ana. I had around 34 elims, 12k healing and 24 sleeps. He had 25k healing and 3 elims. The 2 dps had 35-40 elims. Tank had around 35 elims. We lost because he forced me off Ana and failed to sleep and nade the enemy Bastion...(which is why I had so many sleeps and elims, because my team was dying nonstop to bastion) All we had to do was cap the point...
This's a perfect example of what I termed for myself as "trash damage" where I'd be hitting headshots and having decent aim, but I wasn't killing anything or I was focusing a pocketed tank instead of the supports making them unkillable. Outside of number of deaths and damage/healing on certain characters, the stat window is kinda worthless
It's almost entirely there for dopamine
i always check to see if i'm in a game when you do a broze spectate cuz i get nervous, but i dont even play comp but like once a week lmao
Speaking of, I really need to wall climb more as the Shimadas and Kiriko
I love that Emongg perfectly described limit testing without using the word limit or test
As a current tank player i fs understand how not all stats represent impact a player had.. but when a mf solider only gets 300 dmg after 2 mins of play when the enemy team has a rein.. i question life
stats are important but they dont really affect the game… it definitely matters if your dps are dropping 1/14 or your supp dropping 2k heals. i dont think you should be reading it like the bible but it does partially reflect where the problems lie. ofc stats are not as important as the objective but they do matter and you should strive to have better stats than your enemy counterparts. also keep in mind a bad plan executed with the entire team is better than mediocre plans being played individually
EDIT: bc im sure some plat players are gonna disagree with me i consistently place high elo on pc. stats don’t necessarily show the entirety of the game and healbotting as a supp is prob not the greatest idea, but ik there are gonna be plenty of bronze-play players who think that means they should entirely disregard stats. you have to pay attention to all elements of the game and the problem is low elo players tend to hyper focus one problem when there are really countless
Numbers are such a small part of the story of a game. I know when I play Sombra I rarely get even close to the amount of damage the other dps does. I get lower elims often too, but having the patience to make the kill that breaks the other team and wins the team fight is so much more powerful than just killing as many people as I can or farming a ton of pointless damage off the enemy tank. I'm a crap low silver rank but it's easy to see that what matters in comp or qp is who wins the game. I'm fine with 0 kills if we get 100% of the capture points and walk away with the win.
I paused before 11:20 and was just about to mention TP/Suzu too which could have saved Ram 😅
They could have pinged 76, TP/Suzu Ram, let dps handle damage and just keep everyone healed.
most likely 76 could have been Petty and still Target Kiri regardless of them taking damage.
Good game sense, you can kind of figure out when you make a good target for the enemy team to focus, so your team gets the elim.
Sometimes, you have to take the risk to TP into the fight if you trust your own game sense to stay alive but keep the team healed.
Like what people say online, if you think you’re better than your entire team, you better carry 🤨
I could never 😂
I wonder if that kiri realizes that if specifically they themselves played it better, they probably wouldn't have lost the first point at all?
Bronzes back in the day of early overwatch 1 barely moves , barely uses their cooldowns , I m honestly surprised at how much bronzes have improved.
So to all of you Bronzes improving everyday I say keep going , the rank may not show it , but the level up is real
yes! this is why people who hate on people who are stuck in the same rank for long periods of time are absolutely ridiculous. staying in the same rank means you have improved at the average pace of the community as a whole. you haven't improved fast enough to climb but that's not the same thing as not improving at all.
"save the tank" Sums up the entire game.
11:18 Also Suzu cleanses the DPS passive, so he will have more healing from Mercy during that Suzu time… It can be only for a second, but it can change a team fight.
I liked this video just for Emongg's Einstein hair. lol
It's so frustrating every time they throw knives while allies are on screen in critical health. Damage is important, but not if you're letting teammates die
Tbh I think this kiriko has the much better tank and if you read this. Try to adjust your aggressiveness or passive adjustments toward what cooldowns have been used. Moria used ult (punish window) orisa used gold (punish window) instead of just healing and sitting back like emongg said. That way you will know what appropriate decision to make and have a much better understanding of what your tank is trying to do. Ps peak top 10 top 500 player
theres like 28 hanzo ults in this game tf
The amount of times that all the heals get blocked by the cart could have been prevented by using high ground, closer to tank, or corner position. I think people forget that the healing gets blocked when hitting something before your team
Came across a really delusional tank one match. At first all I know is at the end he blamed me and the other support for not healing enough. My response at the time was that people need to learn not to rush in alone. Man I didn't know how right I was. That also coming from a 21h noob at the time. So I watched the replay back and the very second time he dies he... get ready to cringe. He runs into all of the 5 players on the other team as a Hog. Not just that, but he's using his heal like it's a Rein shield and immediately gets the other support killed. I come in and tried to help him but obviously he had no self preservation. He just thought he was invincible because he was a tank. Watching it back I realized the guy basically had both supports pocketing him and he was so bad he threw the round. The very next round I was paired with I believe it was the science guy (can't remember his name) and the person played the corners and actually gave myself and the other support the position and protection we needed to support the team. One example of why it's always crucial to look at what you are doing first before pointing the finger. So the first game was a defeat and the second was a victory because of the difference in the tanks skill.
Sometimes stats matter and sometimes utility usage matters. If a support has 200 healing thats an obvious problem. If an Ana has kinda low heals but is a sleep dart demon, shes not the problem
I managed to climb out of bronze on support by watching you, flats and jay3 do these spectate videos. Now I'm stuck silver 3/2 because I have the mechanical skill of a potato
My bro has the idea that the only stat you should worry about is the elim/death ratio on dps and tank (no less than 5:1) and healing/damage/deaths on support, he is kinda right in that theory but that also makes him either extremely passive to save his ult till next season or burn his resources as soon as the cooldown allows him, worse thing is he blames everyone but himself when i try to coach his games
Wrong mindset. That’s a mindset issue.
@@mylegguy8115 i know but he is so stubborn
@@allanlugo7842 he’s always going to think that way if he never watches his own replays.
In plat on numbani, u either play on the height or u play on the corners around where the bus is. Ive seen both of those strats in plat but they r in bronze so its a little diff
i only care about stats when i see my Widow going 2 - 7 while i'm being a literal walking pincushion for their entire, and i mean ENTIRE, team while playing Rein with a Baptiste healing me.
This is also part of the balance problem for lower ranks, there shouldn't be the possibility for a support to farm those kind of stats. In higher rank play supports have to focus more on healing. Example, how often does Illari healing pylon get destroyed watching these creators play. In lower ranks she becomes a DPS with a healing bot, in higher rank, she has less healing value, forcing a different support.
Honestly, I check my stats but more to see if me or someone on my team should swap. Generally terrible stats can correlate to getting diffed/getting countered but bloated stats can also mean feeding or playing for kills and not to win which is also bad.
7:45 that poor ramattra, Kiriko that refuses to use cooldowns 😢
I mainly look at stats if we are struggling to see where the weakness is and how I can adjust. If they are out healing, I try to get someone who requires less resources. If we are low on damage I pick high damage. If we are low on picks I try to pick a burst dmg character.
I like what you're trying to do, you're trying to use the numbers to figure out what you can do to be more helpful. that's a really good instinct!! however, I think looking at heroes would be more helpful and will also help you keep developing your understanding of the game. for example, typically, a sombra isn't going to have the same kind of damage output as a soldier 76, but Sombra can do really EFFECTIVE damage by getting elims very quickly and Sombra also disables the enemy team's ability to do stuff. the numbers aren't going to show whether a Sombra on your team is doing that. if your supports' healing numbers are low, that doesn't necessarily mean you need to swap to a hero who's more independent. it could mean they're getting dove or their healing is being cut off somehow.
like I said, I REALLY love what you're trying to use the stats for. I love it. but I think you have the analytical skill to start adding more nuance and work on understanding what's happening as it's happening, for lack of a better phrase. what I mean is that I think you'll be able to identify issues without the numbers with a little work and practice.
that being said, deaths are still a good stat to pay attention to. if one person is dying substantially more than others, that can be a really important thing to pay attention to and figure out what you can do to help prevent that number from getting even higher lol sometimes there's nothing you can do but I do think deaths, relative to everyone else on the team and lobby, is a helpful stat to some degree.
i already know why dps were doing less than they could. bcs Kiriko was dpsing and dps were dying near her, you can't do dmg while you're dead.
upd. As always both supps were pocketing tank instead of healing dps, but they also failed at that
I had a good friend who was bronze and it was always everyone elses fault. I would que with him in qp as a plat tank and he would try to tell me how to play. I eventually just stopped talking to the guy because you cant help that mentality
Yeah, those are the worst kind of people to play with. Even if he really was as good as he thought he was, he shouldn't have been giving advice unless you asked for it.
This is THE typical bronze player, they didn't play bad per se but what's off is the whole mindset and not supporting as a support. As a support you especially need to play as a team, you cant just like some dps go in on yourself or leave everyone to die just you can survive, yes, surviving is important but most times its better to safe a teammate that maybe can turn this fight with an ult etc and dying than just being "meh not worth it"
This kiriko went full dps mode, so many scenarios where their teammates died behind them because they were too busy trying to get those headshots....i think theyre in the wrong role, maybe try dps and get to silver
That stats thing still happens in diamond. Im a diamond tracer player and when i get maybe 4k damage but 12 - 2 supports type my damage in chat like im nit performing. Im a tracer running qfter squishies, what do you want from me? Lol
7:40 shout out to the bronze player who said blade is better than kitsune 😂😂😂
People value stats waaaay too much. Stats dont give all of the context. For example, you can have a dps going negative but that's because they keep getting solo ulted. High damage means nothing if you're just farming and getting no value
this is exactly what happens when a bronze player hears the advice "don't die". And that mercy was the opposite.
Playing the character with the smallest hit box and the most denail abilities and be scared is insane
16:30 dude, the spawn is right there, they'll walk. I swear, lately it feels like if someone complains about teammates you'll just spend the whole game trying to find reasons to shit in them
Like the other game, yes, their suzu usage was mediocre, but it's not gonna make or break the game
That absolute throw at the end was really frustrating. Too scared of dying most of the game and then just going into their backline for a lucky and unfavorable trade in the one critical time where not dying was important.
The only thing that pisses me off is people coming to bother me and demanding 15k damage or more, when my number of eliminations is at a good average for the game. For example, the average k/d is 15/3, I'm at 14/4...But with 4k damage. and the same person doesn't talk shit about Soldier 76 with 4/10 and 12k damage.
And every time, the one who comes to complain is a Moira.
damage is only as good as the kills you get with it. 7k damage and lets say 8 elims is awful. I'm a widow main in silver. The AMOUNT of times I have teammates that say "widow you need to do more damage" is actually stupid. I can have the most kills in the lobby or on my team with like 3k damage. Widow is great at making almost every team fight AT least a 5v4. I'm not amazing but it does get annoying when I get get 27 elims with 15 solo kills and 20 crit shots only for my team to rarely follow up and thats why I play quick playyyy. Not to burst my own bubble but I'd say I'm pretty good mechanically, but I probably dont have the best positioning on most heros.
Crazy, I could sworn I’ve heard you say that exact take on giving advice years ago
gotta love stat goblins
Nah bruh, Kiriko was carrying with that mythic skin. It boosted her statistics by 1k damage at least.
I think the scoreboard is really important to figuring out what is going on in team fights but only to a certain degree because if youre dps is 2-8 with 10k damage they're just farming the tank so they should probably shoot something else but this kiriko didn't even give their teammates a chance to shine with how they played and then still blamed them. Me personally I roll the dice on crazy plays every time because it can only go two ways, really bad or really good. I dont even think they realize that they were the number one contributer to that loss
This dudes bad gameplay genuinely makes me wanna end it all
Agreed by chat, poor tank... tank is just hated 21:47
the kiri wasnt giving their tank opportunities to make plays or putting them selves in a position to help but the tank wasnt wasnt giving time for either support to heal them up and popped three ults under half health in the first round, if the tank is making it hard for you then dont make it harder for yourself
Lost the first point because of the Hanzo ult separated the healers, Kiri could have tp'd and saved it. Not using the TP/kitsune to save anyone. Use your ults. Kiri can charge hers way faster than most other players.
The ONLY stats a support hero should keep track of is SAVES and HEALS, also assists somewhat. Anything else is meaningless to THE SUPPORT ROLE
The only good thing I use leaderboard for is to check who is respawning and ult charge for teammates the only 2 things that matter most imo
Where does it say ultimate charge? Just out of curiosity.
some ppl think ults are only good if you can get 4 elims with them like its nothing. that person sayin genji ult is better than kiri ult was probably thinking that way too, but kiri ult is insanely good if used well.
7:30 he was trolling, blade is one of the worst ults in the game without lucio speed boost
i was playing sombra once recently lol… I was grouped with 3 friends and we had a rando tank. i’m a bronze 4 dps and one of my friends were playing support. The tank kept rushing in and then put in chat demanding more heals and telling my friends they suck at support and then tried saying I wasn’t doing anything as sombra.. I had more elims and less deaths than our tank.
Another story was of a mercy player while i was sombra again. The other team was 5-stacked and my mercy pocketed their duo the whole game (i also didn’t see them the whole match). admittedly, I was a little scared to get elims on cart… I tried twice with Bastion and Sigma on cart and got rolled both times 💀 Then they proceeded to say I wasn’t even trying to get any elims. Then they told my team to suck their [redacted]… reported them right after the game 😀
still bronze 4 in dps but i’m always trying to improve and fix my common mistakes lol 😅
blaming your tank for dying too much when it is directly the kiri's fault for letting the tank die in perfectly good positions/advantages over and over is hilarious... the tank over extended twice, maybe three times, and then there's almost 10 deaths that were totally preventable with better positioning or decisions from the kiri, which they often had tons of time to make...
7700 dmg isn't even that much in a 20 minute game for how much he sacrificed to get shots done, at this point just play Moira lol.
So when you say bronze should stop caring about stats; does that include the overall accuracy stat?
I try to ignore my stats, but I’m constantly looking at the scoreboard because I don’t want to get sniped out of the sky due to them randomly swapping widow/hanzo and me not noticing because I’m trying to focus on my aggressive tank who asks for heals then runs straight into the enemy team critical. I’m a mercy main. Life is tough out here. 💀🤣
Really I just think, the kirko isn’t healing enough when she needs to be granted she does have a good damage output. But having the vision on the team to be able to heal is way better then front-lining and healing who walks infront of you. But in the other hand, the mercy is pissing me off.
As a mercy main, I saw so many deaths that could’ve be either easily avoided, or if you manage heal and dmg correctly, could’ve been traded. Most of the time she was just standing around and waiting, that and or pulling a Valk for no reason but to Hurricane. I get being silly in ranked but lock in for a minute damn it
Lost first point solely because kitsune was late and then didn’t keep your tank alive.
I hate how so many people play support like they are still on DPS and occasionally heal.
This player is mechanically good for a bronze. But they were playing so safe they ended up just looking like a bot. And I dont say that to be mean, but put personality in your plays. Take risks, try different things. Understand the hero's full potential. Also, stop using suzu on your feet every time you're pressured. There were a couple times where this player suzu'd themself after losing like 25 hp. Has potential, not the worst, but definitely bronze for now.
we are focusing on the kiriko i know, but the mercy..... that first point was just dps valk instead of healing the ramattra!
One of the biggest mistakes I see support players make (myself included), is just not trusting their teammates so they play too carefully and nothing gets done. Your team being out of position is bad, but you become useless once they are all dead, so just help them make the play while they are still alive on point 😅
sometimes a support player is what turns potential feeding into successful aggressive plays! I don't question my teammates' judgment much anymore. if my teammate is going for something, I'm going to do my best to back them up. now, if it's truly silly gameplay and I end up dying more than once or twice because of it, I don't back that person up quite as much. but I think a very important skill for support players is just the willingness to take a chance on teammates' plays, even if they're risky.