3:36 Kicho Hyung Il Bu 8:10 Kicho Hyung E Bu 12:00 Kicho Hyung Sam Bu 16:15 Pyong Ahn Cho Dan 20:56 Pyong Ahn E Dan 25:25 Pyong Ahn Sam Dan 29:58 Pyong Ahn Sa Dan 34:28 Pyong Ahn O Dan 39:10 Passai So 44:52 Passai Dae 51:20 Naihanchi Cho Dan
I started training under Grandmaster Kim in his first karate school in 1973 in Woodbury NJ. He gave me the love of Karate and Tang Soo Do that is still with me today. Not only was an incredible teacher but he was a great promoter of the art. And a warm and gregarious person. Today 51 years later I am a 5th Degree Master who still at the age of 71 trains two days per week. Both of my sons became Black Belts and I owe it all to this amazing man who has brought Karate to tens of thousands of students worldwide wide. Anyone reading this past if you trained in Woodbury NJ back in 1973 I’d love to hear from you. Master Bruce Clark Tang Soo!!
I trained in Taekwondo ITF about 23 years ago, and it was basically old school Karate. I have also trained in Tang soo do and they were very similar. Now today they have spread apart more. In any case no matter what some say Taekwondo and Tang Soo do are just Koreanized Karate. These techniques and forms ultimately have their origins in Okinawa.
I trained in moo duk kwan TANGSOODO as a teenager. I am getting back into training. The reason I stopped training in the first place was my mom read some stupid book that said martial arts was demonic because it's from the orient and it said the meditation was evil. I was about 16 I think. Then as I got older my former instructor switched to shotokan karate so I did Taekwondo for awhile since the kicks are the same but never really liked tkd and it was to expensive to train at the school. Well that was 20 years ago . I found a TANGSOODO grandmaster in my area recently and classes start next week. I'm pretty excited... It sux that I'll have to start at the bottom again.
My parents kept me from training also, so I know how that goes. I'm glad you're now at a point in your life where you can take up martial arts on your own terms. Best of luck to you! When you find the right school and the right instructor, it's an amazing journey.
It has been YEARS since I've done Tang Soo Do, and I can still remember kicho hyung il bu through pyong ahn cho dan, some of pyong ahn e dan, and i can also remember all of pyong ahn sa dan, and part of pyong ahn o dan. I still do them sometimes just for fun and MAN I miss it. Tang soo do isn't big here and the schools aren't affordable otherwise I'd be in it again.
The ridiculous and non sense applications are a shame 🤦🏻♂️. I wonder how High level teachers don't realize the ridiculously of those applications 🤔🤦🏻♂️
Your reply demonstrates your ignorance of traditional Tang Soo Do. It’s a beautiful form and expression of balance power and timing. Grand Master Kim was a full contact Karatw champion showing the practical application and success of our art. Master Clark
Dumb Username thank you for that insight, I truly appreciate it. Well Sosai Masutatsu Oyama, was Korean himself, as many people know. He studied Chinese Kenpo, while living in Northern China, on his sister's farm, then he went back to Korea and began studying Korean Kenpo. Once he went to Japan, he began studying Judo and boxing, then eventually Shotokan Karate, as well as Goju-Ryu Karate. No doubt he combined all these various elements, plus his own ideas to create Kyokushin Karate. What I found interesting is that Chuck Norris being a Tang Soo Do exponent himself, has created his own system, where he combines elements of Tang Soo Do itself, Kyokushin Karate, Ashihara Karate, Enshin Karate, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, as well as other elements from a few other styles. Ashihara Karate and Enshin Karate, are both of course styles that originated in our Kyokushin Karate style. What rank are you in Tang Soo Do, if you do not mind me asking? I am a third dan black belt in Kyokushin Karate, recently got promoted to that rank in September gone by, of this year. Thank you for your kind response, Osu! 👍 ☺ ✌
Dumb Username awesome my friend, well done on your achievements thus far in the art. I hope you will continue to progress and prosper in your Tang Soo Do training, Osu! 👍 ☺ ✌
I took Tang Soo Do back in the 70’s and these forms I remember very well. Our teacher moved away and thus my training stopped at orange belt. I appreciate what I learned and remember how powerful these forms are.
Awesome Video ! Clearly, these Tang Soo Do Forms (though modified) are the Fukyugata, the 5 Pinan , Nahainchin, Bassai and so on.. of Shorin Ryu but with the lower stances of Shotokan Karate-Do.
I always appreciate those who can make comparisons between styles. I don't understand why people would bash that. Sorry about the guy with the passive aggressive response. A better way to respond would have been saying Tang Soo Do takes its roots from several different styles including shotokan. In fact, it was made by selecting some of the best moves and philosophies from many styles such as Northern Kung Fu, shotokan karate, judo and many others. All martial arts can be traced back to one of a handful of origins. This guy sarcastically calling you a genius for not tracing it far enough is a little silly. Especially since Okinawan Shotokan dates back to the early 1900s. He forgot about 2000 years give or take of martial arts that predates his style. Pretty sure most martial arts teach respect and discipline. It's about a way of life which includes protecting yourself. Let's be nice to each other. Martial arts is about growth with your fellow brothers, not putting down those you deem less than you.
I get to see him yearly at our tournaments (IMA) and he sometimes graces us with a ho sin sul demo or form-He still demonstrates that power and technique you see here. Tang Soo!
I am a tang soo do practioner and a black belt too from the philippines under my mentor larry guatelara our grand master casimero grandeza of bacolod city philippines, thank you for posting the art of tang soo do 👊
The first hyung (kata) in this is very similar to the first hyung in the Chang Hon (ITF) system, Chon Ji. The first six techniques are identical, from there it splits - because Chon Ji has four low blocks followed by punches facing four cardinal directions, then continues with middle blocks four times before the last set of four punches, but I can certainly see the Tang Soo Do / Karate roots my style has in this form. Many of our TKD forms come from these, but some are strikingly more similar than others.
Cool observation. General Choi wanted to unify with Hwang Kee's school at one time, so it makes sense that his first form would resemble Kee's. Or maybe both of them based their first form on Pyong Ahn Cho Dan (Pinan Nidan in Karate), which has the same opening moves.
@@MountainAdventures1 Many of our forms find parentage in TSD / Karate katas. I think that what you mention is a part of it - but throwing away the woo-woo nonsense about TKD stemming from ancient Korean arts that really no one at the time knew or practiced - the founders of TKD were all black belts in one of the Japanese martial arts - mostly karate, a few judo or jiujitsu as well. Shotokan and Shito-Ryu were the big two, IIRC. Before Choi and his team created what has become known as the Chang Hon forms, TKD schools typically practiced karate kata or the Pyong Ahn forms. I believe the Pyong Ahn set are what most Moo Duk Kwan lineage TKD schools still practice.
Stopped at blue belt in Tang Soo Doo under Master Kang Uk Lee R.I.P.. back in 2010, started late in life nearly 40, now 60 have just gone back this last month June 2024 . Suffer with bad memory for years but will persevere, just trying to get the forms n technique back in . Surprised at what I have membered. "Tang Soo" .
The bunkai applications of Basadai against the bokken are ridiculous. The first one, prior to the side kick, would result in at best, a broken ulna if attempted against a blunt weapon, and a severed arm against a sword. The second one against an overhead weapon strike is not what the the double hammer fist is for. It is connected to the previous technique where you fire your arms up as if breaking a front bear hug or wrap around attempt and then dropping the hammer fists to break the attacker's ribs. Yes, I know what I'm talking about, I'm a 3rd Dan. No, I'm not bashing TSD as that is my style.
I started taking TSD again a couple of months ago and I was in a different Federation as a kid, now the association that the school is in does things slightly different. There are some kicks instead of punches, and some of the techniques are more fluid as opposed to being a strike I think the fact that different instructors and grandmasters have interpreted some of these things differently or have adjusted them to make them their own is part of the reason why Things like you have mentioned happen.
I've studied many versions of the Okinawan Karate kata. Different versions basically teach the same principles with just stylistic differences that evolved in the personal styles of different teachers. These Tang Soo Do forms are so far removed from the source that the basic principles are lost. The reasons for this are not completely known but, the same kata practiced in mainland Japan are fairly watered down versions of the same Okinawan kata that Tang Soo Do is based on. I'm inclined to believe that the Okinawans kept a lot of knowledge from non-Okinawans and even taught them incorrect kata. I'm just telling the truth as I know it. Don't shoot the messenger.
I studied in Phoenix Arizona my school was Jeff Speakman’s Kenpo Karate 5.0. But my school is too far for me to train I sure wish I could find this school on this UA-cam video I would love to learn from Korea Tang Soo Do Karate. I would love to learn this style so I can protect myself and my family and continue my martial arts training
This is bad Tang Soo Do....do not lift the legs before executing a technique. Even in a real fight you are at risk of being knocked off your balance as soon as you lift your foot.
Grand Master C.S. Kim was my Grand Master’s Instructor. The gentleman who performed Yhung Il Bu Was also my instructor’s instructor. I’ve had the honor of being promoted to Cho Dan by him many years ago. I just shared a photo of the belt promotion with friends last evening. It’s been many years since I’ve seen the Grand Masters perform the Traditional forms. So inspiring, even at my age and Master Belt Rank. As any true Tang Soo Do practitioner knows, Tang Soo Do will always Live in our hearts and it will be demonstrated in our Character and Integrity. Wishing Everyone the Best during these challenging times. Komapsumnida! Tang Soo!! 👊🏼
I studied in Korea while I was stationed there, 1985 to 1987. I knew the the Gentleman who did the first form as well. My Instructor, Kim Jong Kwan Sabunim , taught at Suwon AB.
I've had the pleasure of in person instruction by GM C.S. Kim, I've also felt those blocks.. power isn't an adequate word to describe it. 1987 was when I began in Tang Soo Do training, it's a fantastic art.
@@charleskim5402 Your Father will always hold a special place in my heart. As I’m sure you already know, he’s a beautiful gift to this world. Thank you for commenting. :)
Grand Master Kim preceded Grand Master YI here in America. I know as I trained under both of them and received my Black Belt from Kwan Chang Nim Yi. I never learned the forms of which you mention and I am today 51 years later a 5th degree Black Belt Master. Master Clark
@Imtherealthing Agree. You can't catch a bladed weapon. I'm curious as to how you've been told to interpret that technique. We're taught to imagine taking/deflecting a strike from a blunt weapon like a bo or escrima with the fleshy part of the of the palm and then pulling the weapon from the attacker's hands at the same time you throw the side kick. I suppose it's better than taking the blow to the head, but I still think you'd get some hand bones broken.
@@shutiggyup7713 We interpret that as a reinforced palm block rather than an up-block. Both palms come together, one on top of the other, to block a straight punch. Agreed that the up-block there couldn't have been the original intent.
This is the art I trained in at Chuck Norris Studio in the early 1970s in Los Alamitos California>>>>>>Good Memories>>>!!!! Tang Soo Do Forms>>>Knife Hand Art>>>!!!!
That's awesome! There are still Tang Soo Do-based schools out there, I'm about 6 months away from my Black Belt test in TSD. You might want to check out a youtube channel called "Sensei Ichi", as Dennis Ichikawa trained with Chuck and Pat back in that same time period.
Those forms are so much like the way we do forms. The variation is so slight. And our knife hand blocks are exactly like those! A definite upgrade from Japanese style! My instructor is probably friends with Master Kim. He was an instructor at Osan base when Chuck Norris tested for his black belt. Shin, Seoung Eui. There is a picture of him with Hwang Kee at the Pan American conference where he became association president
The Osan martial arts building is long gone. Replaced by a university style fitness facility, but sadly as of 2017 no TKD or TSD, SBD is taught there. But right directly off base is a historically connected school.
I will definitely be paying very close attention to what exactly is going on in these videos and then practice whatever they are definitely displaying in the videos because me and my roommate Ethan are going to be definitely training in this type of Martial Arts fairy soon here people plus I will definitely even be watching Steve Sexton on Hapkido Techuqes as well here people and then practice everything that I am actually watching on UA-cam Channel and then if I ever have too use my training then quite possibly maybe even I would absolutely win that fight that I just got into and then kick the other guys ass and then when he's on the ground wondering what exactly hit himself ya Korean Martial Arts just hit the guy too the ground and then knocked his very own ass out
I’m coming back after 13 years and have to relearn all the forms up to 1st degree Bc that’s where I ended master Kim is glad I’m back so is master leach
Congrats! I know you'll come back up to speed in no time at all. We've had some retired black belts come back as their life situation allows them to get involved again, and it's just amazing how fast they re-familiarize themselves with everything. It shows how deeply this stuff gets embedded.
Mountain-Adventures it’s not easy either I have three more forms to learn then I’m done passi so and passi dae are really long forms that’s prolly going to take me the most time to relearn
I owned this video a long time ago when I was a member of the ITF and ATA under Grandmaster Richard Byrne. Those were great times and these videos bring me back to when I was a black belt candidate training for my Cho-Dan Test. In Moo Do always
Yes Tang Soo Do still lives on in the Moo Duk Kwan associations. I'm proud to be a student of a TKD school in the traditional Moo Duk Kwan association, despite the proliferation of WTF everywhere. Being able to trace instructors directly back to Hwang Kee is awesome.
I used to train under an affiliated UK arm of the UTC (headed by Grandmaster Richard Byrne), I also came with my family from the UK to compete at GM Byrne's World Championships in Boston in 2013 - Gm Byrne was a great orator, sorely missed.
Jó dolog ez a harcművészet de nekem nincs erre időm hogy gyakoroljam max egy picit. A legtöbb kung fu, karate, taekwondo mester magas 300 500 ismétlés szàmon gyakorolja. Megy a nagy karate szöveg hogy minden nap a karate ütéseket 100x szor ismételd. Amúgy ez is kevés csak a kényelmes európai ember is hozzà van szokva pl workout gyakorlatoknàl 3*10 3*15 2*12 stb ismétlésekre de az màs dolog. A mesterek 6-8 óràt edzenek nem csak 1 óràt.
I've studied quite a bit of Tang Soo Do history and have never come across any more Kicho Hyung than the first three. Originally, there were internal forms to complement the external forms (Tsan Tjin, Jun Jang, and Ssi San), but most schools have dropped those. In fact, in the "Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do History Video", we notice that Hwang Kee's black belts are only demonstrating the external forms. It is strange that this video stops at Hihanchi Cho Dan, not sure why it doesn't continue.
@@MountainAdventures1 The forms in this video up to Nihanchi Cho Dan were what we had to learn as Gup members, as I recall. Dan members went further from there. This was under GM Drouillard in the early 1990s.
Because it is. Tang Soo Do got its forms from Shotokan. Some debate over how. Hwang Kee who founded the Moo Duk Kwan claims he learned them from a book on Japanese karate (most likely one one Gichin Funakoshi's). Before him, there was a guy named Won Kuk Lee who had studied Shotokan under Funakoshi in Japan and earned a fourth degree black belt. He returned to Korea prior to the end of WWII and began teaching Shotokan but under the name Tang Soo Do. In an interview Lee claimed that Hwang was a student of his. Hwang claimed he learned from a "master" in China and from the aforementioned book. Who's telling the truth? We'll never likely never know, both are dead.
I started tung soo do when I was 12 and at my first tournament as a yellow belt, the highest belt I could face was red/black belt, which is one below a black. As a yellow belt I beat him, I was only non asian person there in the full splits club, though I couldn't do it now lol. My teacher said I had such potential. I'm 36 and still train. Within 1 yr I was a black belt after that tournament I won. I wish I had learned a form of kung fu though.
3:46 is heian/ pinan nidan and the others variations on the heian/ pinan katas. I love how this has evolved from China to Japan to Korea. All the same spin on an idea.
It's my understanding that the Heian forms were derived from what we would call the Black Belt forms and created to more easily teach children techniques as well as safer by leaving out the deadly techniques.
@@wendellbenedict4793 - CS Kim has 2 other DVD's on Tang Soo Do - you may find them 2nd hand, possibly new from Black Belt Magazine publications. I have them both.
Cassity Davidson tang so do also pronounced dang soo do is a Korean martial art that was descended from Shotokan Karate Of course They wear the same outfit as taekwondo practitioners Because Korean martial arts uniforms are Doboks.
Phantom FOX or exactly same outfit. Dobok simply means uniform in Korean just as Gi does in Japanese. It’s very rare for a TKD practitioner to wear a crossover uniform line this. Most Taekwondo practitioners wear a pull over top that doesn’t tie. Tang Soo Do is typically seen with white top woth black trim. In some cases the pants can be black and higher Dan tanks can be black top as well. Some traditional versions of Taekwondo are similar to Tang Soo Do.
Lex has the right idea, but many are not aware that the amount of black trim on the top indicates Dan rank. Color belts will have an all white top, 1st Dan will have one edge trimmed in black, 2nd Dan will have 2 edges, etc... our Taekwondo school uses the crossover tops for our Doboks because we come from a Tang Soo Do background.
Mountain-Adventures well any schools can do as they wish of course but in all my experience I have never seen the amount of black trim representing the dan rank. I teach myself and in program black trim is black belt, that’s it. My practices from from American Tang Soo Do, or now what we call Chuck Norris System.
Theres a lot of problems with these techniques. Dont care how high a rank he is. The back leg is comsistently not locked when it should be. The hips barely move when they block. The inactive hand during a block or punch is sitting up too high. Theres no power with any block!!! Looks like an orange belt demonstrating the form. The front foot is so heavy during the back stance that the demonstrator would fall victim to a front sweep. Sad indeed.
I see the instructors are doing the moved slower with less snap and power I think this is for visual effect and training. To get the speed the fast twitch muscles must be developed. I could hit my opponent from 6 ft away with a back knuckle to the temple and tell where and when it was coming and he could not react in time. Now I'm just a semi old guy who can't reach for that bag of chips fast enough.
3:36 Kicho Hyung Il Bu
8:10 Kicho Hyung E Bu
12:00 Kicho Hyung Sam Bu
16:15 Pyong Ahn Cho Dan
20:56 Pyong Ahn E Dan
25:25 Pyong Ahn Sam Dan
29:58 Pyong Ahn Sa Dan
34:28 Pyong Ahn O Dan
39:10 Passai So
44:52 Passai Dae
51:20 Naihanchi Cho Dan
Tang Soo Do= Karate Do( Shotokan Ryu)....
16:15 Pyong Ahn Cho Dan= Heinan Shodan..
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Thank you for letting us skip the bad 80s music editing.
@@Ctorj01 excuse you? bad 80s music?
I started training under Grandmaster Kim in his first karate school in 1973 in Woodbury NJ. He gave me the love of Karate and Tang Soo Do that is still with me today. Not only was an incredible teacher but he was a great promoter of the art. And a warm and gregarious person.
Today 51 years later I am a 5th Degree Master who still at the age of 71 trains two days per week. Both of my sons became Black Belts and I owe it all to this amazing man who has brought Karate to tens of thousands of students worldwide wide. Anyone reading this past if you trained in Woodbury NJ back in 1973 I’d love to hear from you.
Master Bruce Clark
Tang Soo!!
You can see the connection from the Shotokan karate kata
I trained in Taekwondo ITF about 23 years ago, and it was basically old school Karate. I have also trained in Tang soo do and they were very similar. Now today they have spread apart more. In any case no matter what some say Taekwondo and Tang Soo do are just Koreanized Karate. These techniques and forms ultimately have their origins in Okinawa.
In fact, the forms presented are much older than karate itself or Tang Soo Do. Each Art has appropriated and adapted its training reality.
@@seanhiatt6736, They are even older than those presented by Okinawa. The real origin dates back to Northern China.
Yea the Japanese occupation of Korea was the reason for this
all are naha te
I trained in moo duk kwan TANGSOODO as a teenager. I am getting back into training. The reason I stopped training in the first place was my mom read some stupid book that said martial arts was demonic because it's from the orient and it said the meditation was evil. I was about 16 I think.
Then as I got older my former instructor switched to shotokan karate so I did Taekwondo for awhile since the kicks are the same but never really liked tkd and it was to expensive to train at the school.
Well that was 20 years ago . I found a TANGSOODO grandmaster in my area recently and classes start next week. I'm pretty excited...
It sux that I'll have to start at the bottom again.
My parents kept me from training also, so I know how that goes. I'm glad you're now at a point in your life where you can take up martial arts on your own terms. Best of luck to you! When you find the right school and the right instructor, it's an amazing journey.
It has been YEARS since I've done Tang Soo Do, and I can still remember kicho hyung il bu through pyong ahn cho dan, some of pyong ahn e dan, and i can also remember all of pyong ahn sa dan, and part of pyong ahn o dan. I still do them sometimes just for fun and MAN I miss it. Tang soo do isn't big here and the schools aren't affordable otherwise I'd be in it again.
2nd Degree Black Belt in Tang Soo Do but sadly stopped in 1993 for other pursuits. I never should have stopped. 58 but coming back!
same happen to me.
This is Korean karate version.
The ridiculous and non sense applications are a shame 🤦🏻♂️.
I wonder how High level teachers don't realize the ridiculously of those applications 🤔🤦🏻♂️
Your reply demonstrates your ignorance of traditional Tang Soo Do. It’s a beautiful form and expression of balance power and timing. Grand Master Kim was a full contact Karatw champion showing the practical application and success of our art.
Master Clark
Segments of these forms, look vastly similar, to our katas in our Kyokushin Karate, Osu!
Dumb Username thank you for that insight, I truly appreciate it. Well Sosai Masutatsu Oyama, was Korean himself, as many people know. He studied Chinese Kenpo, while living in Northern China, on his sister's farm, then he went back to Korea and began studying Korean Kenpo. Once he went to Japan, he began studying Judo and boxing, then eventually Shotokan Karate, as well as Goju-Ryu Karate.
No doubt he combined all these various elements, plus his own ideas to create Kyokushin Karate. What I found interesting is that Chuck Norris being a Tang Soo Do exponent himself, has created his own system, where he combines elements of Tang Soo Do itself, Kyokushin Karate, Ashihara Karate, Enshin Karate, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, as well as other elements from a few other styles. Ashihara Karate and Enshin Karate, are both of course styles that originated in our Kyokushin Karate style. What rank are you in Tang Soo Do, if you do not mind me asking? I am a third dan black belt in Kyokushin Karate, recently got promoted to that rank in September gone by, of this year. Thank you for your kind response, Osu! 👍 ☺ ✌
Dumb Username awesome my friend, well done on your achievements thus far in the art. I hope you will continue to progress and prosper in your Tang Soo Do training, Osu! 👍 ☺ ✌
Tang soo do and Taekwondo both are simply forms of Karate. All of the forms and techniques have their origin in Okinawa.
And both a from Shotokan
I took Tang Soo Do back in the 70’s and these forms I remember very well. Our teacher moved away and thus my training stopped at orange belt. I appreciate what I learned and remember how powerful these forms are.
I have the same sorry but in the 80s. Master Wickham moved his studio just as I was about to test for my brown belt
Awesome Video ! Clearly, these Tang Soo Do Forms (though modified) are the Fukyugata, the 5 Pinan , Nahainchin, Bassai and so on.. of Shorin Ryu but with the lower stances of Shotokan Karate-Do.
Maybe, because shotokan is one of the influences of tang soo do genius?
@@MrFabiomassid these forms were used in more than one Okinawan art before Funakoshi took his form of Okinawa-te to Japan.
I always appreciate those who can make comparisons between styles. I don't understand why people would bash that. Sorry about the guy with the passive aggressive response. A better way to respond would have been saying Tang Soo Do takes its roots from several different styles including shotokan. In fact, it was made by selecting some of the best moves and philosophies from many styles such as Northern Kung Fu, shotokan karate, judo and many others. All martial arts can be traced back to one of a handful of origins. This guy sarcastically calling you a genius for not tracing it far enough is a little silly. Especially since Okinawan Shotokan dates back to the early 1900s. He forgot about 2000 years give or take of martial arts that predates his style. Pretty sure most martial arts teach respect and discipline. It's about a way of life which includes protecting yourself. Let's be nice to each other. Martial arts is about growth with your fellow brothers, not putting down those you deem less than you.
CS Kim always had strong stances and good power.
I get to see him yearly at our tournaments (IMA) and he sometimes graces us with a ho sin sul demo or form-He still demonstrates that power and technique you see here. Tang Soo!
I am a tang soo do practioner and a black belt too from the philippines under my mentor larry guatelara our grand master casimero grandeza of bacolod city philippines, thank you for posting the art of tang soo do 👊
The first hyung (kata) in this is very similar to the first hyung in the Chang Hon (ITF) system, Chon Ji. The first six techniques are identical, from there it splits - because Chon Ji has four low blocks followed by punches facing four cardinal directions, then continues with middle blocks four times before the last set of four punches, but I can certainly see the Tang Soo Do / Karate roots my style has in this form. Many of our TKD forms come from these, but some are strikingly more similar than others.
Cool observation. General Choi wanted to unify with Hwang Kee's school at one time, so it makes sense that his first form would resemble Kee's. Or maybe both of them based their first form on Pyong Ahn Cho Dan (Pinan Nidan in Karate), which has the same opening moves.
@@MountainAdventures1 Many of our forms find parentage in TSD / Karate katas. I think that what you mention is a part of it - but throwing away the woo-woo nonsense about TKD stemming from ancient Korean arts that really no one at the time knew or practiced - the founders of TKD were all black belts in one of the Japanese martial arts - mostly karate, a few judo or jiujitsu as well. Shotokan and Shito-Ryu were the big two, IIRC. Before Choi and his team created what has become known as the Chang Hon forms, TKD schools typically practiced karate kata or the Pyong Ahn forms. I believe the Pyong Ahn set are what most Moo Duk Kwan lineage TKD schools still practice.
@@thefightingsasquatch Completely agree. And yes, the forms in this video are what we practice in our Moo Duk Kwan school up through 1st Dan.
Mr Kim taught me for 5 years at Osan Air force base .I got my second Dan under him. Would go to his house all the time. He had a son back then
Stopped at blue belt in Tang Soo Doo under Master Kang Uk Lee R.I.P.. back in 2010, started late in life nearly 40, now 60 have just gone back this last month June 2024 . Suffer with bad memory for years but will persevere, just trying to get the forms n technique back in . Surprised at what I have membered. "Tang Soo" .
The bunkai applications of Basadai against the bokken are ridiculous. The first one, prior to the side kick, would result in at best, a broken ulna if attempted against a blunt weapon, and a severed arm against a sword. The second one against an overhead weapon strike is not what the the double hammer fist is for. It is connected to the previous technique where you fire your arms up as if breaking a front bear hug or wrap around attempt and then dropping the hammer fists to break the attacker's ribs. Yes, I know what I'm talking about, I'm a 3rd Dan. No, I'm not bashing TSD as that is my style.
I started taking TSD again a couple of months ago and I was in a different Federation as a kid, now the association that the school is in does things slightly different. There are some kicks instead of punches, and some of the techniques are more fluid as opposed to being a strike I think the fact that different instructors and grandmasters have interpreted some of these things differently or have adjusted them to make them their own is part of the reason why Things like you have mentioned happen.
Looks like a really bad caricature of Shotokan. When somebody thinks that the moves in Shotokan are exaggerated, show him/her this....😂
I've studied many versions of the Okinawan Karate kata. Different versions basically teach the same principles with just stylistic differences that evolved in the personal styles of different teachers. These Tang Soo Do forms are so far removed from the source that the basic principles are lost. The reasons for this are not completely known but, the same kata practiced in mainland Japan are fairly watered down versions of the same Okinawan kata that Tang Soo Do is based on. I'm inclined to believe that the Okinawans kept a lot of knowledge from non-Okinawans and even taught them incorrect kata. I'm just telling the truth as I know it. Don't shoot the messenger.
I studied in Phoenix Arizona my school was Jeff Speakman’s Kenpo Karate 5.0. But my school is too far for me to train I sure wish I could find this school on this UA-cam video I would love to learn from Korea Tang Soo Do Karate. I would love to learn this style so I can protect myself and my family and continue my martial arts training
Khalid's Martial Arts on Camelback and 59th Ave.
This is bad Tang Soo Do....do not lift the legs before executing a technique. Even in a real fight you are at risk of being knocked off your balance as soon as you lift your foot.
Very bad!
We did our forms this way exactly
Grand Master C.S. Kim was my Grand Master’s Instructor. The gentleman who performed Yhung Il Bu Was also my instructor’s instructor. I’ve had the honor of being promoted to Cho Dan by him many years ago.
I just shared a photo of the belt promotion with friends last evening.
It’s been many years since I’ve seen the Grand Masters perform the Traditional forms. So inspiring, even at my age and Master Belt Rank.
As any true Tang Soo Do practitioner knows, Tang Soo Do will always Live in our hearts and it will be demonstrated in our Character and Integrity.
Wishing Everyone the Best during these challenging times.
Komapsumnida! Tang Soo!! 👊🏼
I studied in Korea while I was stationed there, 1985 to 1987. I knew the the Gentleman who did the first form as well. My Instructor, Kim Jong Kwan Sabunim , taught at Suwon AB.
I've had the pleasure of in person instruction by GM C.S. Kim, I've also felt those blocks.. power isn't an adequate word to describe it.
1987 was when I began in Tang Soo Do training, it's a fantastic art.
My instructors teacher was Grandmaster Kim, what was your instructors name?
You said the gentleman that did ki Cho hyung Il bu was your instructor's instructor? Master M.K. Kim is actually my father 😅
@@charleskim5402 Your Father will always hold a special place in my heart. As I’m sure you already know, he’s a beautiful gift to this world. Thank you for commenting. :)
This is similar to old ITF taekwondo, which I took in the 70s
All the same just karate kata, applications not very good.
Oh my god. Awfull , looks like some kind of shotokan performed by a yellow belt.
My first Black belt was with this federation Willy Cintron in Tampa was a Student of his.
master kim????? he taught my director tang soo do hes name is master daric
Esa levantadera de pierna le quita la bellesa al arte eso no tiene ninguna, fincion. 😂
this IS same of karaté shotokan ,héian shodan ,nidan ,sandan ,yodan godan .
@William Scurry I think TSD is a more straightforward version of Japanese Karate.
In fact, the forms presented are much older than karate itself or Tang Soo Do. Each Art has appropriated and adapted its training reality.
Tang Soo Doo is proof that someone can take from one source ( Shorin Ryu / Shotokan) and make it into an art of their own.
In fact, the forms presented are much older than karate itself or Tang Soo Do. Each Art has appropriated and adapted its training reality.
that not what happen, karate, tang soo do as written in the old form mean china hand, plus shotokan is a deriviate of shito ryu
@@orencio1969 *shorin ryu
@@willgodwin02 same different look at who the founding master.
Who cares! Just train to the best of your abilities!
As a karate kid who is in Scranton karate school to learn tang soo do
Looks like a poor representation of Japanese ShotoKan.
Where are the Kook Jae Hyungs?I trained at Grand Master Ki Yun YI's Dojang,and a student could not advance without knowing these Hyungs?
Grand Master Kim preceded Grand Master YI here in America. I know as I trained under both of them and received my Black Belt from Kwan Chang Nim Yi. I never learned the forms of which you mention and I am today 51 years later a 5th degree Black Belt Master.
Master Clark
Thanks for posting!
Komnupsumnida Sir. I like hearing you enunciate with the correct Korean, the words, more importantly the study guide. thank you again
Tang Soo
Thanks for sharing! What great power and focus!!
no different from Shotokan style kata
50:50 That's a recipe for assisted suicide.
@Imtherealthing Agree. You can't catch a bladed weapon. I'm curious as to how you've been told to interpret that technique. We're taught to imagine taking/deflecting a strike from a blunt weapon like a bo or escrima with the fleshy part of the of the palm and then pulling the weapon from the attacker's hands at the same time you throw the side kick. I suppose it's better than taking the blow to the head, but I still think you'd get some hand bones broken.
@@shutiggyup7713 We interpret that as a reinforced palm block rather than an up-block. Both palms come together, one on top of the other, to block a straight punch. Agreed that the up-block there couldn't have been the original intent.
De amúgy a több ezer mozdulatba, katàba nem zavarodik össze az ember ?
Tang Soo Do could be compared with Japanese Shotokan Karate
Nice Korean copy of Shotokan
This is the art I trained in at Chuck Norris Studio in the early 1970s in Los Alamitos California>>>>>>Good Memories>>>!!!! Tang Soo Do Forms>>>Knife Hand Art>>>!!!!
That's awesome! There are still Tang Soo Do-based schools out there, I'm about 6 months away from my Black Belt test in TSD. You might want to check out a youtube channel called "Sensei Ichi", as Dennis Ichikawa trained with Chuck and Pat back in that same time period.
I trained at the Lakewood Karate Studio under Terry Updike and George Dolby before moved away.
Thank you sir. I do Tang soo do. I'm red & black. I'm From, India
Where did you learn? I am from India too.
Tang soo!
Those forms are so much like the way we do forms. The variation is so slight. And our knife hand blocks are exactly like those! A definite upgrade from Japanese style! My instructor is probably friends with Master Kim. He was an instructor at Osan base when Chuck Norris tested for his black belt. Shin, Seoung Eui. There is a picture of him with Hwang Kee at the Pan American conference where he became association president
The Osan martial arts building is long gone. Replaced by a university style fitness facility, but sadly as of 2017 no TKD or TSD, SBD is taught there. But right directly off base is a historically connected school.
I will definitely be paying very close attention to what exactly is going on in these videos and then practice whatever they are definitely displaying in the videos because me and my roommate Ethan are going to be definitely training in this type of Martial Arts fairy soon here people plus I will definitely even be watching Steve Sexton on Hapkido Techuqes as well here people and then practice everything that I am actually watching on UA-cam Channel and then if I ever have too use my training then quite possibly maybe even I would absolutely win that fight that I just got into and then kick the other guys ass and then when he's on the ground wondering what exactly hit himself ya Korean Martial Arts just hit the guy too the ground and then knocked his very own ass out
I’m coming back after 13 years and have to relearn all the forms up to 1st degree Bc that’s where I ended master Kim is glad I’m back so is master leach
Congrats! I know you'll come back up to speed in no time at all. We've had some retired black belts come back as their life situation allows them to get involved again, and it's just amazing how fast they re-familiarize themselves with everything. It shows how deeply this stuff gets embedded.
Mountain-Adventures it’s not easy either I have three more forms to learn then I’m done passi so and passi dae are really long forms that’s prolly going to take me the most time to relearn
brandy skarupa I am also coming back up to about that long! I learned from master Arnold Lee
Oh thanks for putting this video up Bc I need to relearn all of these
Cobra Kai!
12:00 yo
I owned this video a long time ago when I was a member of the ITF and ATA under Grandmaster Richard Byrne. Those were great times and these videos bring me back to when I was a black belt candidate training for my Cho-Dan Test. In Moo Do always
Yes Tang Soo Do still lives on in the Moo Duk Kwan associations. I'm proud to be a student of a TKD school in the traditional Moo Duk Kwan association, despite the proliferation of WTF everywhere. Being able to trace instructors directly back to Hwang Kee is awesome.
I used to train under an affiliated UK arm of the UTC (headed by Grandmaster Richard Byrne), I also came with my family from the UK to compete at GM Byrne's World Championships in Boston in 2013 - Gm Byrne was a great orator, sorely missed.
Jó dolog ez a harcművészet de nekem nincs erre időm hogy gyakoroljam max egy picit. A legtöbb kung fu, karate, taekwondo mester magas 300 500 ismétlés szàmon gyakorolja. Megy a nagy karate szöveg hogy minden nap a karate ütéseket 100x szor ismételd. Amúgy ez is kevés csak a kényelmes európai ember is hozzà van szokva pl workout gyakorlatoknàl 3*10 3*15 2*12 stb ismétlésekre de az màs dolog. A mesterek 6-8 óràt edzenek nem csak 1 óràt.
What a boring form...hahaha
Is it just me, or what's up with the music? 🤣
Name song?
Tang Soo sir
thank you!!!
Same style like my GM. teach me...
my GM is GM KIM MALTAE...
Tang Soo! (IMA #23197)
merci
amazing
What about Kicho Hyung San Boo and Oh Bu, and Nihanchi Yi Dan?
I've studied quite a bit of Tang Soo Do history and have never come across any more Kicho Hyung than the first three. Originally, there were internal forms to complement the external forms (Tsan Tjin, Jun Jang, and Ssi San), but most schools have dropped those. In fact, in the "Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do History Video", we notice that Hwang Kee's black belts are only demonstrating the external forms. It is strange that this video stops at Hihanchi Cho Dan, not sure why it doesn't continue.
They were eliminated
@@MountainAdventures1 The forms in this video up to Nihanchi Cho Dan were what we had to learn as Gup members, as I recall. Dan members went further from there. This was under GM Drouillard in the early 1990s.
Very good clips and thank you so much .
Interesting how that looks just like the Shotokan form......
Because it is. Tang Soo Do got its forms from Shotokan. Some debate over how. Hwang Kee who founded the Moo Duk Kwan claims he learned them from a book on Japanese karate (most likely one one Gichin Funakoshi's). Before him, there was a guy named Won Kuk Lee who had studied Shotokan under Funakoshi in Japan and earned a fourth degree black belt. He returned to Korea prior to the end of WWII and began teaching Shotokan but under the name Tang Soo Do. In an interview Lee claimed that Hwang was a student of his. Hwang claimed he learned from a "master" in China and from the aforementioned book. Who's telling the truth? We'll never likely never know, both are dead.
The I Foot Pattern is same in Shin GoJu Ryu
Some of these forms are similar to Goju Ryu forms
Excellent technique!!
Bueno recién voy por el E bu
I started tung soo do when I was 12 and at my first tournament as a yellow belt, the highest belt I could face was red/black belt, which is one below a black. As a yellow belt I beat him, I was only non asian person there in the full splits club, though I couldn't do it now lol. My teacher said I had such potential. I'm 36 and still train. Within 1 yr I was a black belt after that tournament I won. I wish I had learned a form of kung fu though.
1 year?
3:46 is heian/ pinan nidan and the others variations on the heian/ pinan katas. I love how this has evolved from China to Japan to Korea. All the same spin on an idea.
It's my understanding that the Heian forms were derived from what we would call the Black Belt forms and created to more easily teach children techniques as well as safer by leaving out the deadly techniques.
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Why It look like kerate
Tang Soo!
Tang Soo Brasilian
I’m a Tang Soo Do practitioner
thanks for uploading...hope u will upload the other forms..: )
Yes it's strange that this vid stops at Naihanchi Cho Dan. I wonder if there is a Part 2 that I'm missing. I'll see if I can track it down.
@@MountainAdventures1 there is at least 1 more, but I believe that the there might be a total of 3 DVD's of the hyungs.
@@wendellbenedict4793 - CS Kim has 2 other DVD's on Tang Soo Do - you may find them 2nd hand, possibly new from Black Belt Magazine publications. I have them both.
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is it, taekwondo? cause i remember the white belt form from TAEKWONDO
Cassity Davidson tang so do also pronounced dang soo do is a Korean martial art that was descended from Shotokan Karate Of course They wear the same outfit as taekwondo practitioners Because Korean martial arts uniforms are Doboks.
Phantom FOX or exactly same outfit. Dobok simply means uniform in Korean just as Gi does in Japanese. It’s very rare for a TKD practitioner to wear a crossover uniform line this. Most Taekwondo practitioners wear a pull over top that doesn’t tie. Tang Soo Do is typically seen with white top woth black trim. In some cases the pants can be black and higher Dan tanks can be black top as well.
Some traditional versions of Taekwondo are similar to Tang Soo Do.
Lex has the right idea, but many are not aware that the amount of black trim on the top indicates Dan rank. Color belts will have an all white top, 1st Dan will have one edge trimmed in black, 2nd Dan will have 2 edges, etc... our Taekwondo school uses the crossover tops for our Doboks because we come from a Tang Soo Do background.
Mountain-Adventures well any schools can do as they wish of course but in all my experience I have never seen the amount of black trim representing the dan rank. I teach myself and in program black trim is black belt, that’s it. My practices from from American Tang Soo Do, or now what we call Chuck Norris System.
@@instructorlex8273 its not black its midnight blue
Theres a lot of problems with these techniques. Dont care how high a rank he is. The back leg is comsistently not locked when it should be. The hips barely move when they block. The inactive hand during a block or punch is sitting up too high. Theres no power with any block!!! Looks like an orange belt demonstrating the form. The front foot is so heavy during the back stance that the demonstrator would fall victim to a front sweep. Sad indeed.
I see the instructors are doing the moved slower with less snap and power
I think this is for visual effect and training. To get the speed the fast twitch muscles must be developed. I could hit my opponent from 6 ft away with a back knuckle to the temple and tell where and when it was coming and he could not react in time. Now I'm just a semi old guy who can't reach for that bag of chips fast enough.
TANG SOO👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽
Cringeworthy applications!
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