Can a TANG SOO DO Black Belt exist in a SHOTOKAN world?
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- Please follow the journey of 3 American Tang Soo Do Black Belts as we learn a Shotokan Kata and then compete with it in a Shotokan tournament.
Watch as we adapt to a new style, new technique and a new way of moving and being. The adaption, struggles and hopefully triumph and victory over a challenging new art...
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Shorin Ryu, Shotokan and Tang Soo Do share a common ancestor in Shuri-Te. Tang Soo Do is a direct derivative of Shotokan. Great video!
This is great. My Karate instructor was one person that always encouraged his students to learn from other arts. Tang Soo Do was the first Martial Art that I was exposed to at the age of 5 yet I know next to nothing about it. Was surprised to see how close the Kata was to what I learned in Shotokan.
Tang Soo Do is Shotokan in Korea. But then the Koreans got influence from China and added Chinese blades and weapons to their system.
My son and I both are Tang Soo Do students. We participated in a Shotokan Tournament in Northern VA. The King George Tournament in King George VA was held at King George High school. Say that 3 times fast.
My son won 2 years straight along with the 3rd degree Blackbelt with us whom won in weapons (Cane Form). We had a 2nd degree Blackbelt win in sparring.
Great video. Love your content.
One thing for sure. Wearing the black Dobak makes a big difference at the tournament.
Hahah I'm not even going to attempt that tongue twister!
Wow that is amazing, congrats to ya'll! I'm so happy to hear that TSD is thriving in another state as well as in another style's tournament!! Did you guys do a TSD form in the tournament?
Thank you so much, I hope that in future videos to come to enjoy those as well. Hope to share the art of American Tang Soo Do with the world!
Yes the first time my students competed in this Shotokan tournament, a few of them wore black... We were for sure the elephant in the room.
Yes it was a great tournament. Your Shotokan experience was quite different than ours. I love this spirit and energy. My video is in my channel if you want to check it out.
White shirts under black Dobaks are odd to me too.
I’ve learned Shotokan and Tang Soo Do
Both are wonderful worlds
Me I do tang soo do to and Im 3 months from my black belt test, i am training at the school in Titusville
I hope you got it please let us know.
I love it when martial artists come together especially from different backgrounds. I have a background in freestyle and folk style wrestling and I remember how awesome getting to train with Judo and Jujitsu artists was... so eye opening and the level of just comradery was amazing. Thanks for sharing this journey this is awesome!
I love seeing people cross train and sharing knowledge. And I like the approach of getting a person with experience instead of watching a UA-cam video. You gain so much more when you have live instructions. UA-cam video is good for a quick review/preview of a Kata but if you want to learn it and eventually become proficient, you need that expert coaching. Good job guys.
Yup there was no way we were going to learn this kata on youtube. Forms are too involved to just watch and try it out. I am a student of the art so I had too many questions about the particulars.
Thank you so much for watching and commenting.
Very enjoyable video. I originally practised Tang Soo Do then started training in karate whilst at university. Love comparing styles and reconnecting with the heritage of Tang Soo Do’s Japanese and Okinawan roots!
Keep it up! Tang Soo!
Thank you. Right!? that's exactly why we did it, also that my heritage is Japanese as well. It was very cool to see the similarities and differences in our two arts. I often thought, where did the Tang Soo Do practitioner that learned the Shotokan versions learned them from and at what point in time they changed them into what we do now.
Thank you, the tournament video airs tomorrow at 11 am pst. See you then!
Great video! When I was a kid I practice Tang Soo Do.
Stop practicing thinking that I would return someday. Now I am 24 and I am practicing Shorin Ryu Karate, I am very happy with the dojo I found near home, but never forget the Tang Soo classes I take before. Greetings and success from Argentina!
Thank you! Great to hear that you used to train in Tang Soo Do, where did you first learn it?
I hope that you're enjoying Shorin Ryu, id like to hear what you think of our Kata when we preform it at the tournament.
It's really interesting to see how the style changes and flows depending on how it has been passed down. I recently just tested for my 2nd degree in Tang Soo Do and it is funny to me how I could pick out pieces of forms that seemed similar, but were just expressed differently than what I am used to. Definitely cements the idea of "Ryu Pa" for Tang Soo Do in my mind. I love what you guys are doing, it's great to learn from different styles and grow as a martial artist overall from these experiences!
Right? I see that too. I watch different TSD martial artists do their versions of the same forms and I am just in awe of how different certain moves are and then all the rest are the same as us. Everyone has their own interpretation of the same words I guess.
Thank you so much for watching and enjoying the journey!
Yes. Watch the "same" kata being done by a Shotokan person vs a Chito-Ryu person vs a Wado-Ryu person. Tang Soo Do is a part of that. Where ai live, I see less and less of this great art.
I first saw Chuck Norris in 1967 at Madison Square Garden. Got to meet him in 1970 (?) at Ed Parker’s Internationals in Long Beach, CA. He very nice and respectful. He and a couple of his early Black Belts were invited by Mr. Ohshima to participate in our (Shotokan Karate of America) Special Training in ‘65 or ‘66.
Very similar to Traditional Pyong Sa Dan. In my initial 2 years in Karate were Ko Chin Do, very much like Ishin Ryu.
So whe I started practicing Chung Do Kwan Tai Kwon Do I retained the Japanese basis of technique delivery. Very crisp and purposeful.
This is really cool , will be interesting to see the next video(s) as you show how you develop. Followed to here from Reddit. Thanks for sharing! :)
GamerGazz thank you so much! Very happy you decided to follow me to my channel, that means a lot. I hope you enjoy the journey all the way till end!
@@SenseiIchi followed this from Reddit as well, absolutely loved the video! I train in the shotokan style myself and am so excited to see what you do with the kata :) good luck!
Sweet! Thank you so much! Very happy to hear you found your way over here, appreciate your interest and can't wait for you to see how we do on this journey.
OH also want to say I love the humbleness the genuine fondness for learning and respect of another styles hard work is absolutely beautiful.
I love this Kata!
Your Tang Soo Do version looks more like Kusanku as done by Odo Sensei and Mas. Oyata Sensei from Okninawa Kenpo and Ryu-Te, respectively (both trained under Nakamura Sensei), but with Shuri turning instead of Naha turning.
My version is closer to the Shotokan version crossed with the shito-ryu or Shorin-ryu version.
My style is Okinawan Kempo: closer to Funakoshi sensei's ryukyu kempo. So, it looks like a mix of okinawan and Japanese styles.
That's very interesting, I'm guessing this because Hwang kee adapted tang soo do from a few different styles. Being half Japanese it's good to know the style I do has so much Japanese influence.
Thank you for sharing!
I am loving this channel, Sensei Ichi! It just makes me miss martial art training that much more. I studied Korean TSD here in Alaska when I was young, and being a kid, broke my ankle doing dumb kid things a week before my black belt test. And, (again), being a kid, by the time I was healed enough to participate again, I had lost interest. I was told I could keep my rank (blue belt- Cho Dan Bo), but I felt that wouldn't be right, as I had done zero maintenance or training of any kind while healing my foot. I had that much integrity as a 6th grader anyway (I started young).
I love seeing those embracing martial arts as a whole, willing to learn from others! Keep up the great work on this channel Sensei Ichi, and best of luck in the tournament! Tang Soo!
Also, I still remember and can still perform the first few hyungs. 😊 amazing how long that has stuck with me.
I loved that story, thank you so much for sharing.
That is so wild to me that you are all the way in Alaska and Tang Soo Do found it's way there and into your life, so amazing.
Why don't you go back to training ? I'm confident that when you get back to it, you'll be so glad you made that decision. Until then you can live vicariously through me, deal ?
@@SenseiIchi Well, last time I trained martial arts regularly (i.e. the TSD days), that was like 26, 27 years ago. Well, aside from some Chen style Tai Chi I had learned a few years ago.
I've been looking at schools here recently, but there's not much for TSD anymore, aside from one of the big churches about 40 miles from me. And they specifically state they do *not* abide by "Eastern Philosophy" and instead use Christian studies as its basis (required to memorize Bible verses and the like), and that (to me) seems insulting and not true to the martial art. To me it'd be like Shaolin all of the sudden adhering to the teachings of Jesus instead of Buddah. 🤷♂️ It doesn't seem right.
Anyway, didn't mean to side track so far, just figured I'd offer up the current state of TSD in Alaska.
So in short, I am looking for a school...but its summer in Alaska now..lots of hiking to be done! 😁
@@BBEDrummerAK wow really?! they make you memorize bible verses? I've never heard of that before, that is very interesting. I'm sorry that didn't work out for you, I'll be your teacher then. I'll see you in a week!
@@SenseiIchi Ok, this is strange. Now I can't find it. However, there are a number of TSD schools that now pop up in my search up here (all of which recognized by the WTSDA), and traditional. I know the Anchorage Baptist Temple offered it at one time, and they had the "No Eastern philosophy" stance, as well as a school (TKD, however) near where I live.
So disregard my last comment??
😂😂🙄
I practice Gojo ryu. just started but this was sick! keep up the great work!
Fantastic video and I love the emphasis on approaching a different style respectfully and on their terms and to understand their way to do it. It's awesome to see you both have such a similar Kata with subtle differenes. I am also curious to know how your versions of Kanku Dai also compare with the kata in the Kyokushin format (which also has a strong Shotokan base). Great video Sensei!
Thank you my friend! Shawn (guy in the video) showed us a few movements using a Kyokushin style, they're similar to the shotokan way but way quicker and with more pop, I guess you could say.
Robert Archer this kata as well as the Tang Soo Do version is a mix of all the lower ranking katas. It’s the last and highest form so it’s only fitting that it has them all mixed in.
@Robert Archer It was pretty involved, same with our version of the kata. Our version is a mix of most of our beginner and intermediate kata. I watched someone do another Japanese version of the kata at the tournament, not sure the style. The hardest thing to do was remain true to the shotokan stances while we were competing. The stress and nervousness of competing made me forget about what we learned and I went back to my tang soo do instincts in a few parts.
Thank you for sharing!
I think it’s amazing that you wanted to learn a form similar to your own in another style. I even notice the differences between American Tang Soo Do and Korean Tang Soo Do! Nice! Tang Soo!!!
Thank you! That's something I'd like to do eventually also, work with a Korean tang soo do martial artist and compete in a tang soo do tournament or soo bahk do, moo duk kwan, something with ties to Tang soo do. Thank you for watching, hope you stayed tuned to watch the full journey unfold!
@@barrettokarate Wow thank you, I would loveee to compete in a TSD tournament. That is next on my list for sure.
@@SenseiIchi If you can ever make it to the UK there is a large competition around (600 to 1k competing) every April in Cardiff, Wales. There were some superb American TSD guys who came over this year, along with practitioners from all over Europe, and as far away as South Africa.
I'm a 4th dan in WT Taekwondo , I'm very interested in studying shotokan and tang soo do to have better understanding of Taekwondo as well.
Sensi Ichi, I thought that was really cool and wise to bring in a shotokan black belt to help you all with the differences of the two styles. My instructor Mr. Gary Music learn both Shotokan and Tae Kwon Do( I know it's different but it was more Tang Soo Do in my opinion). So depending who was teaching we would have the Korean or Japanese perspective of the forms or techniques we were learning. And I really love your channel as well.
Wow that is interesting. What was that like getting those two different perspectives? Were they completely different, or mildly similar?
That is kind of where im at right now with these two styles. I have my Korean, smooth, flowing style basics and now im having to throw them very hard and solid from start to finish, along with my stances.
Thank you so much, im glad you like it. I always wonder if anyone out there watching is enjoying my content so your feedback is welcomed.
@@SenseiIchi well the tae kwon do and hapkido really worked well in the sense of the kicks and stances
but you could see where the joint locks were and throws in shotokan from what was taught in hapkido.
@@SenseiIchi it may sound crazy but both. You only have so many "weapons" the human body has available so it make sense were you can see similar techinques from different arts around the world.
French guy here! Very cool and instructive clip, thank you. It is funny how we in Europe have been fully influenced by shotokan, compared to you guys in the US. Till this day in any big city of France it is close to impossible to find a Tang soo do dojang. Shotokan is everywhere, you'll find a lot of WTF TKD, maybe an Hapkido class now and then and that's it. I studied shotokan for 15 years and right now i am a kyokushin karate student, but if a Tang soo do dojang would open in my town, i'd really consider joining it! Thank you fo the vids. Osu!
Thank you. Hmmm Maybe I'll go to France and open up a Tang Soo Do school, wanna join?
Sensei Ichi If only! 😊
Think all arts should be shared. I can never stick to one art. If I see something I could use I'll study it
Brings back old memories. I stated my Shotokan training back in 1974 at the University of South Florida under Sensi Doug Duncan and when I graduated and moved back home to Sarasota, I took it up with Sensi Joe Hamilton.
I'm glad I could join you on a walk down memory lane. Anything to bring back great memories and make you feel like you're a kid all over again! Thank you for sharing and glad you found your way back home to train once again.
This was amazing. i noticed you mentioned Grandmaster Hwan Kee at the beginning of the video. My local Grandmaster Chun Sik Kim actually trained with him a time ago and it was so interesting to learn more about the new Tang Soo Do style modified from the Moo Duk Kwan.
This is awesome! I too am a TSD black belt and cross trained with some Shotokan stylists a while back. I love the similarities and reason appreciate the differences. As a result, I have embraced many of the Shotokan principles and practices into my expression of the martial arts.
Right on! I'm glad I joined the party then. Which Shotokan principles did you incorporate into your training?
@@SenseiIchi A few things...The way they throw their knife hand blocks. Instead of reaching your hands all the way back- then shoot it forward, I adopted the shorter approach where you cross your arms and "do a rip motion" to the knife hand guard. To me, it feels better.
I also appreciated and adopted the timing and rhythm of their forms. I've noticed in TSD and TKD forms it can be more technical oriented and less spirit of the form. I know it's hard to explain, but if you look at World Forms Champion, Rika Usami, you can get an idea what I mean.
This comment is probably history by now but still great to see you're "thinking out of the box" and venturing into training and competing with Sensei Shawn! Majority of katas are very similar due to the founder of Tang Soo Do trained with Master Funakoshi, "Father of Modern Karate". I believe he was a General in the Korean Army... Keep up the camaraderie and bond... Osu!
I thoroughly enjoyed this and subscribed! TSD hyungs and Shotokan katas are quite similar in many respects. I would love to see more side by side comparisons. Maybe Jindo/Gankaku? Or Seisan/Hangetsu? Wansu/Enpi?
Thank you so much! I can't wait for everyone to see the next video of us competing. I will be posting it on Thursday, so keep your eyes peeled.
Yes, very similar. That is why we chose Konku Dai because it is very similar to one of our Black belt kata as well. It's funny that you mention that, you might just get what you wish my friend...
I just posted a comment and don’t see it. Anyway, in Advanced Training at Ft. Dix, New Jersey (1967), I trained a little in Moo Duk Kwan (sp?) while stationed there. I believe that it and Tang Su Do are related. I had already trained a little in Shotokan in 1966. After my Army time, I went back to Shotokan. When I trained in Moo Duk Kwan, I thought it was very similar to Shotokan as I understood it then.
That guy is pure Viking!
Hahah right?!
Kanku dai one of my favorite katas (shotokan style).
A former student of late Sensei Taiji Kase. Thank you for sharing, and God Bless.
It was a very fun and challenging Kata to learn. I competed with it and still don't have it right. I'm working on it though, thank you for your comment!
Sensei Ichi ouss Sensei you’re Most Welcome! The more you practice it, the more you’ll get the essence of it, I know that you know it, so it’s a matter of time. Sometimes after 1 year of practice, you figure something in that particular kata that you didn’t do, then you’ll do it the right way. It’s an endless discovery, and that is the beauty of it. Wish you well sensei🙏👍
@@Sumotori. Definitely, we're already talking about next year and what we can do differently to improve. I can't wait for everyone to see tomorrow's episode, I'm very excited for it.
This journey has been fantastic and I can't wait to get better and stronger in Shotokan!
Thank you so much!
I know this is late. But I been doing so online classes because of the pandemic. I been talking Shotokan classes and the biggest different in Shotokan and Tang Soo Do is hip rotation. In the Korean Art the block are with a close hip. In Shotokan they have both close and out hip.
YO! The form you guys were doing at the beginning was one I had to learn before I made it to black belt. I didn't recognize it immediately, because the way you all move and prepare is just so foreign to me! It's so strange seeing a form that I know performed by others, and just executed a little bit differently. Amazing video!
Hah that's rad. Glad you enjoyed it, thank you.
Lol I know Sean he’s a really nice guy. He’s really good too. We used to compete against each other.
He is one of the nicest guys I know, I found zero flaws. Even his beard is perfection.
Tang Soo Do in the 90s for me but in Tijuana Mexico love Friday night full contact sparing only gloves and mouth piece my friends My Master Yokupicio RIP was one of the best for me ,he use to have us do full contact tournaments against Shoto kan style and Limi Lama ,great experience and we all had respect for each other TANG SO for ever 💪💪
Victor Rodriguez thank you for sharing. That sounds intense and fun!
@@SenseiIchi yes it was cause he trained us to be ready in case we got jumped by bad people in the streets 👊👊
This is awesome, Sensei. Kanku Dai is my latest Kata and it's really cool to see the difference in style on show here.. hope to see the other installments of this idea! Osu
Eclipse The Rapper thank you! Can’t wait for you to see what else we have in store. I hope that we do well in the tournament with this kata. 🤞
I had always though the Kata Kusankun in Okinawa, Kosokun Dai or Kanku Dai in Japan, and Kong San Koon in Korea were the same Kata. The kata that a Chinese Officer thaught to the Okinawan in a official visit in the past. And the name of this officers sounds Kusankun to the Okinawan. (Forgive my Bad English)
I just get my black belt in shotokan, working as of now in taekwondo and i have to say for kanku dai that was done well
Congratulations! Good luck in Taekwondo , that contrast should be very interesting for you. Have fun!!!
Moo Duk Kwan IS Shotokan with a Korean Label. Tang Soo Do means China Hand Way in Korean as does Karatedo in Japanese.
So excited! This is such a cool idea!
Thank you! Video drops tomorrowwwwwww! Can't wait to hear your thoughts on our kata.
I have trained in both Shotokan and Tang Soo Do great arts
Right on! Glad you like it them both
This is like the students of Cobra Kai learn the real Karate from Mr. Miyagi 😁
I had studied Shotokan martial arts for 5 years from Sensi Mr. Haysawhi..from Hawaii in Waukegan, Il...it was Called " Green Oak Shotokan"
Afterward it Tae kwon do and Shaolin Kung Fu
Brilliant. Thank you
Thank you so much! Get ready for the second update, it comes out Thursday at 11 am pst.
I trained in moo duk kwan TANGSOODO. I haven't done it in years. I want to start training again . But I'm kinda confused now. I'm wondering if I was even taught the correct forms now. I googled the TANGSOODO forms and they were different than what I learned. We did basic 4 way pattern . Some of them were the same but had different movements in parts of a certain form. We also only used 5 belts.. White, Purple, Green, Red and black.. So anyone have any idea about it?
My teacher wasn't bullshit or anything. He was a 7 time AAU national champion at the time. I am just curious about why the forms were a bit different and if it was supposed to really be only 5 belts...
Great editing
Thank you very much!
A wise person once said, "The purpose of a belt is to hold up the pants." It's a humbling experience when a white belt in BJJ walks in and submits you.
I sparred with a bjj guy with no rule except no groin strikes before, he tried to takedown my leg i then i grab his ears and poked his eyes
That is true. When I first started training in Jujitsu and I put on a white belt for the first time since I was 3 , it was verrrry humbling. Tapping out is a sad and humbling experience but it is needed in life to keep one grounded.
Damn that's intense son!
@@abd.tjuliano5829 Ok but I'm not sure what that is supposed to prove? If anything goes, you can gouge out someone's eyeballs Game of Thrones style. Then that's not MMA anymore, it's basically a brawl. Each martial art has its own rules which are limitations but those limitations are put in place to allow people to focus on other techniques. It's not about styles anymore. Winning against some random guy who says he does bjj, doesn't mean anything. Go in the ring, do a cage fight with someone that knows bjj and some versus you not knowing any grappling at all.
We were trying to find out whose art is the best at no hold brawl he practice bjj and kick boxingi practice shotokan karate and a little bit of judo and boxing i only poked his eye with no strenght only speed it was more like a fast touch, just to make him more cautious in trying to take me down, because of that the spar almost become a standing fight everytime he tried a leg take down ill do the same move, unfortunately for me his kick boxing is far more better than his bjj i ended up with ruptured left ear drum for 3 month and i broke his nose and 2 of his front tooth looking back at my younger self i feel stupid because neither of us were competing in tourneys or pro fighting lol we still train nowadays tho just not as intense
Gichin Funakoshi, the founder of Shotokan, was one of the teachers Hwang Kee, founder of Tang Soo Do, trained with on his travels when learning martial arts. That is the reason the hand techniques in Tang Soo Do are similar to those of Shotokan.
None of that is true.
@@brownskarate So the historians have got it wrong have they?
@@johnbeck5795 No, the historians have it right - you have it wrong. I am 5th dan Tang Soo Do, studied since 1975. No where is it documented that Hwang Kee ever EMT Funakoshi, let alone trained with him. Hwang Kee most likely learned his Shotokan from Won Kuk Lee, who had studied in Japan and was 2nd dan. Hwang Kee never went to Japan while Funakoshi was alive, so I'm not sure what travels you think he did either. In any case, you might want to do a lot more reading on this topic.
@@brownskarate
ref: Hwang Kee never went to Japan while Funakoshi was alive.
What evidence do you have to support that claim?
The version of events I read was Hwang Kee did study with Funakoshi but kept quiet about it.
I too trained in TSD (WTSDA) but found it a rather limited martial art and moved to Hapkido.
@@johnbeck5795 You apparently don't get how research works. The way this goes is, you made a statement, I questioned it, now it's up to you to prove your assertion. Where did you read/see/hear that he trained with Funakoshi? I will put a link to an article here that refutes it, just to get started. books.google.com/books?id=fc8DAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA128&lpg=PA128&dq=did+Hwang+Kee+meet+Funakoshi&source=bl&ots=ioyHvZqwae&sig=ACfU3U3BfeMsqsLOU6gDZffZ71lho5jPTg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiByr2aqqTpAhXaU80KHfnkD8IQ6AEwEnoECBsQAQ#v=onepage&q=did%20Hwang%20Kee%20meet%20Funakoshi&f=false
Strangely enough, I feel that this Kata and performance looks more like WT TKD, Taeguk Poomse, than Tang So Do.
Why do you say that?
I train in Tang Soo Do, Tang Soo Jitsu, Kobu Jitsu.
trained with instructors in praying mantis,❤ isshinryu, and aikido.
after my second Dan in TSD, I wasn't concerned about rank anymore and just started focusing on training.
I was a bar bouncer for many years and it pains me when people say aikido isn't effective in a real fight.
I have broken up a fights and had them start attacking me, I had to back them up toward the door, parying, slipping and manipulating their centers of balance, using mostly peraying mantis and aikido, all the modern MMA baloney, would have gotten me at the very least a nasty trip to the hospital.
Good for you, thank you for sharing. That's pretty incredible.
@@SenseiIchi
thank you sir.
It was crazy lol.
the Kata is called kusanku Dai in Okinawan shorin Ryu.
The sistem I practice is Kofuja-do is a mix of traditional ShotoKan( Shoren and shoreyRyu) Chinese boxing, kung fu, Kempo,Judo and koreanTang Soo Do, Mo dowkwan,Tae Kwan Do .we have all the styles it was created by Carlos Valencia Sr. In Mexico.
Is been around for more than 40 years.
Wow that is a huge mix of styles. I'd be curious to see what it looks like. So the name is a Japanese name ? Do you have multiple flags on the wall, to represent all the styles that art mixed in ?
@@SenseiIchi ko=korea , Fu China , Ja= Japan Do= the way to mixed.
Very cool, thank you.
Having trained in both Tang Soo Do and Shotokan, I can tell you that Tang Soo Do is basically Korean Shotokan...forms are very similar.
Very cool thanks for sharing
Thank you I'm glad you liked it, thank you for sharing .
How many forms do TSD and Shotkn share?
TANG SOO!
Should be no problem since Tsd forms are all Shotokan based
Mike Bogdanski that’s right, you got it. It’s just different getting used to the way they execute their technique and the level of their blocks and strikes
how can i learn
TANG SOO DO.?
Some can if they trained in taekwondo and hapkido to Korean martiel arts are deadly
So you're competing in another style just in forms? What does that prove? Forms & fighting I might be impressed.
Bryan Shaw you know I’m so crushed because I was trying my absolute hardest to prove something to you and impress you and I’ve failed. Welp, that’s it. I quit! I’m sorry I let you down.
@@SenseiIchi I understand the sarcasm since I've never met you.
I have 45years of hard labor in the martial arts starting with Isshinryu the week I got out if the Corps in 1972. I received a 1st Dan before switching to taekwondo which I felt was a stronger art. I recieved my 5th degree with Master Ki Chung Kim in New Jersey. My 6th & 7th were awarded by his brother master Jon Chung Kim after Master Kim's passing. At 68 years old at this point I am not as active due to my many surgeries & injuries from over doing what I love. In my beginning years of taekwondo I lived in New Mexico. Open tournaments were the norm there. You could be fighting & competing in forms against any artist who signed up. That's where you learn about yourself & your training. There were many times after a tournament that I would become friends with the head instructor of my competition and be asked if I'd like to train with them. It wasn't about if I won or lost. But I tried to behave like a warrior & be respectful always.
I have always been a strong believer in the forms but the beauty of the forms should be a direct line to the beauty of the fight (martial art) I'm sure my post looked like another troll but from my experience to gain respect from other artist the fight is the best way to learn each other's character. I can send a picture if you still think I'm full of Crap.
Best of luck in your training
Bryan Shaw
I have a question. Why is it that in movies and tv shows with karate, the karate is atcually used for blocking kicking and strikes but if I use karate (tang soo do ) I will most likely do one kick and no blocks
No blocks? Why wouldn’t you block ?
@@SenseiIchi every time I watch a video of people using karate in fights in real life they always get beat up and they never block or kick or anything
I'm sorry if this has asked before, this is the first time seeing on of your videos, but why do you go by the title of Sensei when you are teaching a Korean art?
shildy it was just a clever title for a channel, like a tag name. I’m also half Japanese so it made sense to go with a Japanese title. Sensei is also a more well known title, so it worked ya know?
@@SenseiIchi makes total sense. I'm not a "purist", I was just curious.
Awww I wanted to see the Mexican judo guy's taekwondo
Hahah he hasn't trained in many many years, but every now and again I see him kicking stuff.
You almost never see people fight like this on the street, buses, trolleys, trains on youtube fights.
They do, its just an abridged version. Kata/forms teach us many things, some of which are techniques to fight. They are in a sense blue prints of a fight, teaching footwork, focus, timing, power, basics, offense, defense etc. They were created for a battle, so they are fighting.
@@SenseiIchi Thanks that makes sense.
Oh Shawn i know him. Hung out with him when he formed a team with some buddies of mine and won at ozawa cup 2006 or 2007
He's is a great man and great sensei, we owe him a lot for helping us get through this tournament/journey.
Tang soo!
TANG SOO BABY!
Tang Soo Do comes from Shotokan
Enoeda sensei was my friend and father figure. Kanku. And tekki. Are my favorite
Excellent! Thank you for sharing.
Interesting to see that you and your students, have decided to participate in a Shotokan Karate tournament, by performing their Kanku Dai kata. What prompted you to choose this kata in particular Sensei Ichi?
Given that our Kyokushin Karate, is predominantly a fusion of Shotokan Karate, as well as Goju-Ryu Karate, as its primary sources of origin and knowledge, it was interesting to see the original version of the form.
We ourselves have this Kanku Dai kata, nevertheless our Kyokushin Karate founder, Sosai Oyama Masutatsu, modified and personalised the Kanku Dai kata, to be more unique and reflect also, our specific and individual characteristics, of Kyokushin Karate. Kanku Dai for us translates as viewing the Sky or Rising Sun! All the best to you and your students in the Shotokan Karate tournament, with this specific chosen kata. Looking forward to the continuation of this video segment Sensei Ichi, Osu! 👍 ☺ ✌ Juan.
ニュージーランド・スイサイド thank you for the name interpretation, that is how we in Tang Soo do translate the opening ready position in our version of this form.
I’d like to check out kyokushin’s version of this form sometime soon, just to see the comparison.
No offence, but rolled up sleeves is a big No No in our Dojang. It means I'm ready to fight you and is considered a sign of disrespect. How is your take on that?
I train in judo and supplement that with karate learned from my youth and with Sensei Danaher.
That's rad, he's such a great man. Very kind, I tried to compensate him for his time and he just wanted to share the art with us. That's a true martial artist, thank you for sharing. Do you find that your Karate training helps in your Judo?
@@SenseiIchi They very much compliment each other. Historically, both judo and shotokan karate developed at around the same time (1880's) and the respective founders of our arts trained together when Kano (judo) asked for private lessons from Funakoshi (shotokan). And so training in karate at the same time as judo helps bring back some of the techniques and subtleties of the art that fell to the wayside when everything became more centered around competition. Training in karate helps me maintain speed and directness when fighting for my grips in judo, and judo helps me stay fluid in movement when sparring in karate.
@@Tatsuhiko94 I didn't know that, that's rad. Can you just imagine to be a fly on a wall during those lessons?
That is how I feel about training in Jujistu. I think without us training in Karate, picking up Judo or Jujistu wouldn't feel as comfortable and natural. That's great that you were able to find two styles that work so well together.
it's mostly about the practitioner.
Truth!
Fun fact: Tang Soo Do is the real style in Cobra Kai karate in Karate Kid
That’s do bok🤗🤗🤗
Quase pisa na faixa dele. Pra que essa faixa desse tamanho?
Nice movements and style Sensei...must be high dan level at least sandan...osu !!!
Is shotokan karate or tang soo do karate in cobra kai
Tang soo do is, not sure about shotokan
@@SenseiIchi oh because I really want to learn the karate from cobra kai now I know which one to practice
Those kata/form look very similar to kusanku dai from Shorin Ryu karate.
Where do you see the biggest similarities/ differences?
In the whole form itself. It’s basically the same form as kusanku dai.
good to know, good to know.
There are some minor differences like when you guys do the shoto blocks/ knife hand blocks you set them higher than in kusanku dai. Shotokan and shorin ryu karate have the same forms but are named different with slight variations in the forms.
Kankudai!
Do you know it?
@@SenseiIchi Yes i do. I've been practicing shotokan and heiwado karate for almost 20 years now.
My brother, who trained with me and is now stationed in South Korea, started Tang soo do last week and he was explaining the similarities so i decided to see for myself (and found your video) and its really cool to see the similarities and elements they share.
Row wow that’s awesome, your brother is learning from the source. I would love to do that, someday that’s on my list. This video is perfect for your situation , I’m glad you found it!
Tang soo’
I took songham Taekwondo
Me to I love taekwondo I have a I testing for my 5th degree black belt so
#mcduffyskajukenbo #salute #lovethis #love #kingikajukenbo #kingikaju
#thankyou
Do you train in multiple styles?
Wow that is a full list of styles, but a great choices. Do you find yourself drawn to one style more than the next? Thank you, I wanted to continue the great legacy that Norris left us with.
I'd like to see different variations of our TSD forms and see how they hold up to other TSD schools.
That is a good suggestion, I'll look into that, that is a great idea. My father is one of Norris and Pat Johnson's black belts, so I'm sure I can find a way to link up with one of those guys. We'll be seeing Mr. Norris at a convention in July, im hoping we'll be able to meet him and even make a video with him. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Thank you very much I appreciate it. You should try to compete again, do what we're doing and learn a Shotokan or Japanese style kata, join us in this journey!
I Studied Shotokan Karate/Tae Kwon Do under Gary Music who was a student of the late Stan Hart(Shotokan karate) and sadly I do not remember who was Mr. Music's Tae Kwon Do instructor of the top of my head. I also learn Hap Ki Do under Mr Black out of Columbus, Ohio
@@barrettokarate Who was your teacher? Yes our ATSD is definitely current and with the times, in a manor of speaking. One major thing Ive learned from my father is that we always have to be updated portions of our style to stay with the times, mainly and lately with the implication of Krav self defense and weapon defense. We've also incorporated jujistu, just like norris added his judo skills to ATSD. I know my father knows some guys still kicking around the area, so i'll see what i can do to get in contact with them and see what I can do. Maybe even get Johnson and Norris together and do a form with them!! That would be amazing!
@@williamclark5226 That's a great array of styles, now let me ask you this... Which of those styles that you've trained in did you feel the most attached to, or rather drawn to and why?
I'll talk to my pops about him today, see if he has any stories. That's rad he was like that, keeping one contained in a fixed position is never good. A good martial artist is well rounded. To be continued ...
Tang Soo!
Tang soo!
As a kid I move often. As a result over 18 years I took karate, then boxing, then kickboxing judo and finally back to karate at the original school. Because of politics the original karate studio was pissed. How dare I learn what I could locally. They weren't fans of me wrestling or playing football either. Made me question the traditions.
One persons opinions shouldn't change who you are or what you do. In the end it's just you and you have to do what's right for you. I think you did what your heart wanted and that's all that matters.
Sensei Ichi This was long ago with very old and stubborn people. Most modern instructors don't frown on cross training like it was back in the day. I have long since gotten over, they were doing what they believed was right, but it but it was a shame how they treated young impressionable teens. They were conditioned for decades to keep things pure, moving to follow a career or a school being unavailable wasn't taken into account. It was a different time and climate back then.
Sounds about right for the time. That is too bad that history was, what it was. Some good and some bad. We learn from it , so that way in the future we become better from it.
Why are your black belts actually black and not dark blue (navy)? Is it because you are "American" and not Moo Duk Kwan?
In American Tang Soo Do, Chuck norris changed from midnight blue to black because he was tired of competing and people asking him if he was a blue belt or a black belt. I just recently started wearing a midnight blue belt because I'm into old school /traditional style. But in our system we just wear black belts.
@@SenseiIchi I see. Thanks for the prompt reply.
I saw American and Korean flag but didn't see Japanese flag. Isn't Shotokan Japanese?
knowles karate academy I don’t do Shotokan. Did you watch the video at all or did you just skim through it?
Sensei Ichi ah. My mistake. I was thinking you were at the Shotokan school. Yes, I did watch the whole video. I do Tang Soo Do As well and always find it interesting to see other versions of the same form or other variations maybe is a better way to say it.
knowles karate academy ahhh I see i see, it’s all good. I usually get people that are trolling , don’t watch the video and just talk crap.
Yes seeing how other styles do it is something I really enjoy as well. We did go over to the Shotokan school in the 2nd episode of this series if you have time you should check it out. Shawn has a really nice school.
This may be a bit of knit picking, but why is the Shotokan's black belt so long? It looks unprofessional. I was under the impression that the belt tails should be around 12".
I asked him that, he said it was his first black belt when he was 17 and his teachers thought he would grow so they gave him a big belt. He didn't grow that much and then because the belt is old and tattered it became even longer. He said he'll be getting a new one soon, but in the mean time he's wearing his first belt. I think it's cool he still has his first belt, sacred, precious and honorable. I wish my first belt still fit me.
@@SenseiIchi cool. I was thinking maybe he had a hardcore Sensei like the stories I read in those 70's Black Belt mags, where you get a white belt and let it stay dirty from all the time training until it no longer white. Your shows rocks !!!! keep em' coming.
@@kingemerald1 That is actually what we tell our students. " Don't wash your belt, black belts first got started from white belts getting soooo dirty, that they turned black"
Thank you so much, I will as long as you keep watching!
The real question is.......Can tang soo do exist in a silat world ?
Could you post your kanku dai? Am kinda interested on how it would look now that you learned the shotokan version. 😉
I will be posting our performances at the tournament next Thursday, so you will get to see it then! I also have a special treat that I will be posting soon involving the Kata. Just have to wait and see...
Can shovel head and the jinranian liberators instructor win at squares fistfights and uhh terrorism yes
JESUS is the WAY
Tang Soo Do is a copy of Karate. They even called it Karate or Korean Karate back in the day.
Everything is a copy of something. You're a copy of your parents, this computer I'm typing on is a copy of the first computer created and even the langue we speak is a copy from an ancient text written on cave walls.
Thank you for sharing, come again Thursday at 11am and share your thoughts then as well.
Next try muay thai
I will
Who came here because of Mortal kombat
Why Mortal Kombat?
That's a long belt to match a long kata, lol
It's because its a lonnnng story
Why is it that korean Forms Hyungs/Poomsea always look sloppy? No matter of its TKD or TSD or Hapkido. They all make it look like dancing. No power, no sharpness.
Please seek JESUS
kan koo die
Umm thought u guys was going to spar smh
Did you just assume we were sparring??!! ::triggered:: smh
Sensei Ichi yes look at the title. Didn't think u guys gonna going just compare blocks. And da fuck r u shaking your head for? Lmao good look trying to build up your subscriber
Thank you. I need all the look I can get.
Stop washing your belt lol.
Stop trolling my comment section.
@@SenseiIchi Not trolling. It is the truth. From the looks of your belt you know what I am talking about.