Chevy engine abandoned for decades in a shed! Will it run, or is it junk?
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- We found this engine in a run-down shed on a property being cleared. We can use it for one of our projects if we can get it started! Also, bonus footage of a 1948 Ford panel van and mystery parts on the same property.
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Thanks again, folks! You are so much fun to hang around with!❤
You're welcome Andrew. Thank you for the support.
Engines from before they had detergent oils and filters are always sludged. You were not supposed to use detergent oil in them once it became available because it would desolve all the sludge and cause more issues. You need to clean off all the sludge from under valve cover and drop pan and oil pump screen and and then run detergent oil. The rear main oil seal could start leaking with detergent oil so replace it when cleaning out sludge. May as well do front seal too. The hood on the panel truck hood are off a 1957 Dodge Coronet.
Well said, both of my 235’s didn’t come with oil filters. I have to use non detergent oil them. There is only one parts store in my neck of the woods that still sells it. Oh, let’s not forget these old motors also need lead and zinc additives.
Great engines. I had a 38 Chevy business coupe that had a 216 in it. Along with a three speed manual. Drove like a truck.
Your optimism is far greater than mine. I had no expectation that an engine left in the mud would be salvageable; especially when there was evidence someone had worked on it but then stopped. However, I enjoyed watching you two give it a try, and hoped you'd be successful.
Now I know what to look for ,enjoyed the break down
WURCO is a organ company, Wurlitzer, 23472 is the serial number of the trailer door seal from a delivery. Someone long ago put that tag in there to mess with you. Wurlitzer went out of business in 1974 Jukeboxes bearing the Wurlitzer name were in production until the company ceased manufacturing in 2013, so that tag is probably over 50 years old.
Wow, I would not have though that. Thanks for the useful info!
I think you guys should invest in an engine stand, would make life easier, love the channel
I ran into a problem bolting the stand to the engine, because the bell housing bolt pattern is so strange. The bolt holes are so close together I couldn't get the stand to work correctly. I ended up doing it, but it was unstable.
The back doors are the rarest thing on that van, could get $1000.00 pair easy to the person looking for them.
That piece around the valve is used for a seal on the door of semi trailer. They have there own number and couldn't be removed until trailer arrives at delivery destination
It is strange how a trailer seal got here. I just can't think of a reason for it.
-- Not just from semi-trucks... you could use those seals on a variety of doors but commonly for deliveries... yes. I'm trying to remember how long it's been since they first used them and I think it's been at least since the 1970s. Best wishes!
- Max Giganteum
"Hey, look, some parts fell off. Hmm, poke it under the cover / dump it in the oil pan." lol. I love the commentary, discussion & explanation as you go, makes me feel like I'm actually there. You need to get the Sherlock hat (deerstalker?) and put a 'What the Rust' emblem on it. Loved the video, ty.
Glad you liked it. Our goal is to have the viewer feel liek they are a part of what we are doing. Thank you for the feedback.
The metal piece looks like band seal that would be used on van trailer doors.
RICHARD AND CHRISTINA THANK YOU FOR YOUR VIDEOS, TO BAD THAT 6 CYLINDER WAS TO FAR GONE. I APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR WIFE HARD WORK ,SINCERELY DOM'NNICKS VENICE FL.
Thanks very much Dominick.
You two really do have fun! Thanks for sharing!
Nice job on the engine Christina does a good job
Too bad about the inline 6. It would have been awesome to hear it run again. 😎 I'm not really sure about the parts. I was also wondering about the big springs too, but it's possible they are from a garage door. Very interesting video, Richard and Christina. Thank you for sharing! 🔧🔧🔧
You're welcome David. I had high hopes for the engine given how it was stored inside and appeared to have been readied for another car. That was not to be, but we had fun anyway.
When I was young helping out on the farm, sometimes when farmers would store away equipment or tractors that they weren't going to use for a long period of time, would loosen up all the valves to keep the cylinders from getting water in them and preserve the valve springs, and then they would pour oil in the cylinders and in the intake manifold to prevent rust,
Those were smart people. It would have been great if that was the case here.
Save up all your old Chevy six cylinder parts and engine blocks ,
And hopefully once you get enough of them you can build a couple of really good engines.
Spray everything down with a lot of of old leftover gear and engine oil with some cheap spray bottles from the dollar store, and then wrap everything up with some good quality Heft lawn and leaf bags and store em in the dryest place you can find, until you have enough parts and enough money to build em.
I met a guy years ago that collected old motorcycle parts and stored them in five gallon buckets after spraying everything with oil
@whattherust -- It might have been... and then some fool came along and tried to fire up the engine without checking it out first. Logically, that would be a good reason as to why some of the push rods were bent, the valve cover didn't have a gasket on it, etc. After that, the engine could have been pulled from the vehicle it was in and set inside the shed for future consideration. Eventually, you all came along to check it out which may have been decades later. In the meantime, kids could have screwed around with it. Just food for thought!
- Max Giganteum
Take the parts out of the other block, and make 1 out of the 2
The hood parts are 41-46 chevy truck I have a 46 truck. think those chrome parts on top have been added from something else.
That is correct
Thanks!
The logo trademark for Wurco was filed in 1946 by the Wurzburg brothers, with their product being industrial equipment for moving material and inventory. Trailers, carts, wagons, etc, along with commercial / industrial supplies.
Interesting. It makes me wonder why their tag was in this engine.
-- I was thinking of that one over myself... and I've got two possibilities:
1. Someone was just messing around, perhaps a kid.
2. They thought they could compress the valve spring and then tighten up the seal to hold it in place. In fact, if you had thought of that at the time, there might have been evidence that such was true.
It would be interesting to know if any more of those seals could be found in that shed or in some other outbuilding nearby. Peace & good vibes!
- Max Giganteum
There are still some good pieces on that old panel truck. The sides and rear doors and the passenger door would sell. Those hood sides look like about a 46 Chevy truck hood with some aftermarket ornaments added to them.
I really love the Cre-Oil. It works fantastic! I went online to get a couple of cans, but the 50percent didn't work for me. It's ok I enjoy using it on my vehicles especially on my old 1967 Chevy pu.
Great to hear that Mike. Sorry the code did not work. I'll let my contact there know.
@@whattherust Thank you, and I really enjoy your show. I use to do the same thing you're doing when I was a lot younger, but now I'm 70 years old and I can't move around as much.
very good video
That engine reminds me of the straight six in my 1930 Chevrolet that we all got running
It is quite similar Darren. Being a 1952 block, this one was close to the end of that design.
Seen people back off the rockers on engines that are being stored.
Maybe could have chopped the sides off the delivery . Sold as a wall hanger. Back and side doors for wall hangers. Would have looked cool with some signage painted on it. Thanks for video. Have a good week
Thanks for watching Dean.
Sorry about the engine guys you tried and the old panel truck it amazing that their is that much left of it great video Richard and Christina I enjoyed it thanks
Glad you liked it, Dale! Thank you for watching.
Didn't hear in your video if it was free or not.I would spend as little as possible on it.I would go as far straightening out those bent push rods which l have done before just to see if a motor would run or not.Usually with those motors its a stuck valve and or lifter or both.Then hoping it didn't wipe out a cam lobe or two.Thx for getting back to me l like that you do the old stuff.
Always a blast watching you two working on old metal. God bless y'all.
I bet someone out there could use those doors off the van, never know! Someone could be looking for some! 🤷🏼 They look to be in good shape!
Agreed. The left door is in decent shape. The right side has the top hinge ripped out.
Hi Richard ! Another enjoyable video from you both ! There is always mystery in an old engine that has to be explored. I had a buddy that locked up his engine in a Buick Skylark. Even though we had another engine ready to drop in , we had to tesr apart the old one to check out the carnage ! Lol lol lol. Hey , did I misunderstand or did you say 12 volt generators ended in 1962 ? Umm , my 63 Fairlane still has a stock 12 volt generator.....or maybe you meant Chevy ended them in 62. I think on my Fairlane , an alternator was an option. Again , Thanks much for a Super Cool Video !! Bless ya both !
I messed up with that generator comment. I was thinking of when GM moves over, not Ford and Chrysler. Thanks for keeping me in line, and for your support.
Yep the engine was totally trashed. That hood looks like an old Chevy hood. Like a 35-39.? Trash and Treasures. The panel truck is pretty far gone. Let oks like a Ford late 40’s . That Cre- oil is amazing. Interesting video. Great for the use of the oil.
Hi Terry. It turns out that hood is for a 41-46 Chevy truck. There aren't many left, since most went to the war effort.
@@whattherust I was close. Right on model. Just a couple years off. Thank you. 🙏🏻
Those engines don't have rod bearings they have a Babbitt bearing that is poured into the rod and the block
That's right. That bearing must have been a main, but I did not find one missing.
Maybe somebody was trying to do some work on this engine a long time ago, and didn't really know what they were doing . So they left those parts and pieces in the oil pan, put the pan back on, and just left the engine sitting on the floor of the barn.
I am thinking the same.
-- It just hit me... though I urge caution regarding my response because I'm not that familiar with Chevrolet and my memory is not what it used to be. So what hit me? As I recall, the early versions of this Chevy I-6 engine used Babbitt main bearings - anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that. Anyway, I was thinking it was possible somebody swapped out the oil pan from an engine that had Babbitt bearings and that's why you saw what appeared to be some of that material in the pan. After all, the Babbitt material was poured in place and who knows what kind of a grease monkey did what in the past. Here's another thought - that pan was just laying around in a shop somewhere where people used it as a garbage can for a while. Then some fool grabbed it and threw it on the bottom of a block because they just needed one... but failed to properly clean it out before they installed it. More food for thought!
- Max Giganteum
Great video! I wanted for you to pull a miracle and save that engine! I had my woohoo ready 😂
Cristina get a couple of head band cameras for you both. And tri pod. That way we can see more of the action.
Thank you for the recommendation. We are upgrading our equipment.
Engine was run to death! Great content. Thanks guys!
Right on. That is a good way to describe it, Mike.
@mikejohnson5837 -- You don't know that. There are many things that could have gone on with the engine... and with it ending up the way it did. What I would do if this engine were in my possession would be to continue to break it down by removing the head and examine the cylinders. That's what's most important in all reality. If they were in decent enough shape, I would disconnect the connecting rods and main caps to pull the crank in order to examine the bearings. Given a decent enough overall condition with the equivalent of the short block, I would be tempted to piece together the engine into a usable running unit and then install it into a vehicle that needed it. It wouldn't be the first time myself or someone else put together a solid engine from a couple of parts and did it with a little cost. Best wishes!
- Max Giganteum
Bearing in the oil pan could have been left in the oil pan.
Hey Richard and Christina, great video! I am not sure of the year sorry but the bottom half of the bench seat has a Ford handle to move the seat forward and back.😊
Thanks for the tip!
Those pushrods have got to hold a record for being the longest ever! Good golly!
As always .. another great video..I really enjoyed it!
Glad you liked it!
Thanks for sharing guys! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👌🏻👌🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🙋🏼✌🏻✌🏻
You're welcome!
Thanks for another enjoyable video.
Im so glad im subscribed to you. You are a grwat couple rescuing old rust. Got to say your starting them is fantastuc. Wish you both well.
Thank you for the support John!
I throughly enjoy all your videos. How refreshing the two of you are. Looking for more
We appreciate the support, Steve. We have a bunch of rescues lined up for the summer, so stay tuned!
In the old days guys would back off the valves on purpose. I would bet if it turns ok it will run. On second thought it would make a good core to rebuild.
Right, the block appears to be sound.
well no run but def worth watching and checking out what is what!!-onto the next!!
Agreed! Thanks for watching.
Look on the bright side, at least you have a really nice boat anchor! Keep on wrenchin'. 👍
Right on.
-- Keep or sell the parts... you never know when you'll need them and occasionally you'll still find a guy looking for a vintage block with the right casting numbers on it for an authentic restoration. Just don't scrap the parts for the hell of it...
- Max Giganteum
That is a trailer door seal to be removed by the receiver of the load. Why it is on that valve is the question. Maybe someone thought it was a valve seal!!
Too bad about the engine. The state of it was strange for sure. Excellent content as usual, I like the detective angle, very entertaining.
Glad you liked it Mike!
I had a 1948 panel van, It had been a power company truck. Mine was on a 1973 3/4 ton ford pickup running gear with a 351 Cleveland , 4 wheel drive I had a “expert” At a car show tell me how rare a 1948 4 wheel drive was 😁
Gotta love those experts. Your van sounds very cool.
Nice show sorry for engine 😃👏👏👍👍👍👍
Thank you Francois. We had fun, even though the engine was junk.
I would not junk it quite yet. You own at least one like it. Save what you can for spare parts.
For sure. There is still good stuff on the block.
Wish my wife had one ounze of the knowledge that Christina has, but you two together are awesome in what you do, love your videos and your banter. Steve from UK Liverpool
Thanks very much, Steve.
That's definitely a main bearing too big for a rod bearing
You guys are great fun.👍👍👍👍
Ok, I gotta say it, when you’re in a field reviving a car, using hand tools adds to the appeal of it all… but when you’re in the shop, break out the power tools to speed things up a bit. lol. Another great video!!
Ya think?
So true, but the hand-tool instinct is tough to abandon. I simply don't think about it.
Great as always... i absolutely love watching your videos after a hard working day.
And many thanks to your gem Christina too...
Greetings from Bavaria
Tom
Thanks very much Tom. We really appreciate the comment.
Thanks!
Thank you as always, Terry!
Hey Richard, don't be so concerned, or surprised when you find Sludge in any old engines, in fact I have learned that Sludge in a old engine is often a good sign, because it usually means that the same oil was in there for a long period of time, rather than someone having to constantly add oil, And further more you have to keep in mind that decades ago oil did not contain the additives and detergents that modern oil does these days.
So don't panic buddy, because Sludge can be a good sign, unless of course it is just from pure neglect and is extremely excessive, but even then it doesn't nesasarilly mean it is a bad engine.
What always concerns me is when I can smell burnt oil and the oil that is in the engine looks relatively clean, or if it looks like it has coolant, or even worse, water in it.
Agree sludge is a good thing smell is what to go by
That is good advice. Thank you!
I figured that engine was risky but either way it was fun to watch.
I was hopeful given the backstory of the 49 with the engine partially removed, but it was not to be.
Someone will want parts off the panel truck. Side panels to repair ones that have had windows cut into them. Or the entire side for a wall hanging to paint a logo on also the doors. Maybe someone needs the frame. Nicefind
I think those large springs are for a garage door.
I really need that visor to complete my ‘48 f1 interior
I can get it for you assuming the truck is still there. Email me at rdb6x@yahoo.com
Love your videos
What a bummer
Be cool yard art!
It would for sure.
Great to see you both again! WOW, that Chevy engine sure was toast. Anyway, you got some great wall art to put up somewhere, and some good useable parts too! This Saturday I scored a nice 1970 Mercury cyclone taillight at a garage sale for $15.00. I'm just going to put it up in my garage for some wall art. It's cool. See you all next time. God Bless.
Thanks very much Ronald. As bad as it looks, there are some good parts left and cool shop wall art. Thanks for the support.
That motor looks like it maintained with quaker state motor oil, lol
I was thinking the old 216 had babbitt bearings which were not replaceable. I would say the engine was over rev with all the bent push rods. Well you gave it the old college try! Good show also your wife is a keeper Richard not afraid to get her hands dirty. Looking forward to next video 👍👍👍
I was thinking how so many pushrods could be bent, and I think you nailed it. Those 216s are low-rev engines, and the early fifties Chevys had steep rear gears.
Great try guy's,LoveJim J&R mobile service and God Bless y'all and your critters
Thanks Jim. We had fun with it even though the result was not what we hoped for.
Yard Art panel truck. Paint "WHAT THE RUST" on the side.
Great idea.
Excellent video Christina :) , Richard :) that 6 cylinders motor hopefully be fix up and have ready to use soon! Think 1937 seat had a Ash Tray on back on Chevrolet Coupe cars of 4 door with suicide side doors Richard :) ! Also Richard in 1966 was last year in Ontario Canada my of my area I live was last one Generator then in July 1 1966 at 12.01 am Alternator were switched too! On vechiles on license plate for the Road to! But farm tractors did up till 1978 years then switch to Alternator from Generator of German motor on Desiel fuel too ! How found that my dad had 1978 International 724 Desiel motor farm tractor had Generator till 1994 then went to a GM Delco Alternator too all tractors to! Was round year for them but easy to replace and rewire up!
You're right Andrew. I was speaking about GM's use of generators, but I was not aware so many other manufacturers continued to use them past 1962. Thanks for the info as always!
@@whattherust welcome Richard :) and yes amazing for sure on Generator before Alternator took big steps in !
This could be the first engine refreshed by Richard on the channel
Yippeeeee you're back- in amongst the haste of social media, you are a treat
Even though you never got the engine to run, still a great video!
Much appreciated Darrell.
There are people who still build those engines.
Great video guys, it's tom but I am on my wife's account keep up the good work
Thanks Tom!
Does that engine have shims between the rod cap and rod? The real old babbit poured bearings got shimmed for clearance.
I didn't see any shims, just the thin gasket where the rod cap meets the rod on each side.
wow Elementary Watson Its Shot Thanks Mates a bit of science
Hey,
Great video, its a cool idea checking out that old engine!
One request though,
I can barely hear what you're saying, because of the acoustics inside the shop, with echoes & background noise.
I was wondering if you might wear microphones when you're working in there, please?
Thank you for the feedback. Yes, I will address that voice issue. I noticed it as well, and it is on me to speak louder.
They made a trailer out of it! I guess cool for someone in the past! 👍🏻
Wow u guys have come along way i subscribed to u b4 u changed the name n had less then 10 subscibers now u got 43.2k shame u dont come to the east coast 🇺🇲
Heat and leverage, if that doesn't work have a beverage.. lol
Love it!
I don’t know if you’ll read this. Did you notice the old panel wagon was turned into a trailer. A pull behind.
Yes, I saw that. This property had a bunch of these types of trailers. One of them can be seen at the beginning of the video in the background. It is a late 60s Ford pickup bed. There were at least 3 others.
@@whattherust Thank you
Be good to fill in a hole or low spot!
Shims were used ro set bearing clearance .
Machine shop wprk tag .
If the push rods are too far gone to repair/salvage, are there any after market ones available ?
I have a set of spares. All of those stuck valves means trouble though.
-- Pull the head.... the valves usually will free up with a little work.
- Max Giganteum
The engine you were working on has a oil pump a 216 engine doesn't have a oil pump it might be first of a 235 engine
Richard go to harbor freight and get a engine stand bud makes life easier
I have one, but the bell housing bolt holes on this block are so close together it didn't work well. You can see it at 36:38, but it was a rickety setup for sure. Thanks for watching Robert.
aw, that engine really had it. I feared for the worst when I saw the bent pushrods. made me think of an engine revved too high, like switching down from 3rd gear into 1st by accident, so the pistons hit the valves as they were about to be opened.
the bearing shell might come from another engine. I had the idea of the guy taking this one apart, then saying, "not worth it, but I need the oil pan for the other truck", and slapped one on that was laying in the corner, or somesuch. neither the bearing nor that wire spring seemed to belong to this engine.
that poor panel van... someone would make a rat rod out of it. XD is that a trailer front end connected to the frame? so someone turned it into a trailer at some point. I have seen some curious trailers like these here. :) the writing on the flanks might be easier to read when you rub petroleum or somesuch, into the surface. the rust is obscuring a lot. the idea of making it a garden ornament, as someone else commented, sounds intriguing. since the front end is missing anyway, you could park it against the outside wall like someone drove it into the wall. :) would fir with the "What the Rust?" theme, too.
Yes, it was converted to a trailer. I love the idea of using it to look liek it was driven into a wall!
At 01:20, is that an old Ford pickup hiding in the bushes? Not maintained or an old Quaker State engine? Garage door springs??
That is a Ford pickup bed that someone made into a trailer. The bed is in nice shape.
Engine as a whole is junk but still have some nice usable parts. So don't be too much upset!
Right on!
The two of you tried nothing wrong with that till the next time I will be watching for your next video thank you
I say that motor was pulled and another on installed with intention of using it as parts
I think you nailed it. The engine in the red 49 Chevy we rescued had chains on it like it was being removed or installed. That 49 was 50 yards from the shed where this engine was. I thought this engine was intended for the 49, but I think the opposite is correct.
@whattherust well at least now that you got them cars they won't be treated like they was you seem to care about them and that's what they finally deserve
-- At approximately 36:25... that's not a freeze plug it's a CORE plug. There is no such thing as a freeze plug on these engines, that's bad information that was never correct! How did the term "freeze plug" ever come about? Out of ignorance... it's that simple. People just assumed erroneously that the plugs were designed to pop out of the block if the coolant were to freeze during the winter. The truth is that was never the case. So what is the truth? When the blocks were cast, there were rough openings designed into the castings to allow the removal of the casting sand after the pour was completed. The openings were subsequently machined true so that plugs could be installed. Of course, the cavities created by the cores (comprised of casting sand) is what forms part of the coolant passages in the block. In most engine designs, core plug openings are mandatory to remove the casting sand as there is no other way to get it out. Note that this is not true on all engine designs - on some of the earliest designs, the casting sand can be extracted through the front of the block itself via a natural opening or openings that are built in. These openings are subsequently covered up via a separate engine part that is designed for the purpose and it is often associated with the water pump. Interestingly, in the modern era, there are not too many people left that have seen an engine design that is old enough to not have core plugs. When they do see an engine design built that way? They fail to recognize the lack of core plugs in the block! At the end of the day, it is critical to ensure that the cooling system on any engine contains more than enough antifreeze to prevent freezing of the coolant. If a core plug does happen to pop out of the block due to freeze action, consider yourself to be extremely fortunate/blessed if your block remains undamaged and is still usable. By the way, for those that find it is necessary to replace core plugs due to them failing from corrosion, allow me to encourage you to buy quality stainless steel replacement core plugs instead of the standard steel units. Why? Because the odds are good you'll never replace them again - they'll most likely outlive you even if you own the vehicle for 50 or more years! Best wishes!
- Max Giganteum
All correct Max. While I know them to be core plugs, and why they are there, I do often use the incorrect term freeze plugs. By luck I have had an engine saved by one pushing out when the water froze. It was a Toyota 4 cylinder as I recall.
I guess the engine wasn't.a diamond in the rough?
No, more like a piece of coal.
Can get starters from Napa for abt $100
Somtimes a little propane torch heat can help free up the stuck valves
I'll give that a try. Nothing to lose on this one. Thanks for the tip.
Should have saved those back doors.
I would have liked to, but I would have had to cut the hinges. I may go back for them.
I am guessing that the hood is from a 1938 ford cargo van.
Thanks for the feedback. It turns out it is from a 41-46 Chevy truck.