“A rhyming cannibal who's dressed to kill, it's cynical Whether is it animal, vegetable or mineral It's a miracle how he get so lyrical And proceed to move the crowd like a old negro spiritual” - MF DOOM
He wasn't dissing Em. They spoke about a lot about the passion and content he had put out in his career. . Just that more so nowadays he's flexing his technical skills. But, they didn't put him in the same box as cannabis or king los. He's put his whole life on tracks. He's told his whole story now & when he went more content ish on Revival , people didn't like him speaking politics, well a big percentage didn't.. and with everything being so political nowadays, kind of tough not 2 speak on it. ..(Which is kinda funny now, cause ya still got the Em haters from b4, & then after that BET cypher & Revival, had a bunch of new haters, white Trump supporters.. which is funny af cause those are same mfers who love to talk bout Freedom of Speech... until it's speech you don't like. Idc what peeps say, that was putting his $$ where his mouth was. Wasn't like he gained fans from that, he lost fans who worship a politician.. At 25+ yrs in the game how much more content songs can he drop that he already hasn't put out or even motivational/anthem type songs? He doesn't have anything else to prove. So, me personally, I'd like to see more og collabs. Like the 1 dropping on Nas album that drops Friday with Nas, Em & EPMD. Eric Sermon with Nas & Em. 🔥 . I wanna see those collabs with Rakim, 3 stacks, treach, Monch, LL, hell get a Cube & Kurupt collab. Round out some of my all time fav MCs.
You're speaking all facts. Like on that Revival album Em got a song called (Believe) and on one of the verses he says " But how do you keep up the pace and the hunger when you've already won the race" that was a very powerful and profound line right there. He was basically saying he's already accomplished all he need to accomplish in rap so how do he keep up the pace with it or keep topping it
@@tony-poetic007 That song gives me fu*kin chills when I hear it. The part when he says "I'm the light at the end of the tunnel, So people are always lookin' to me as they're goin' through it" That play on inspiration vs. facing death is insane.
Wow the Hate is real in this blog. Get Bis on the Godamn show Math enough is enough. Respectfully my brotha. people acting like at one time Bis wasn't the scariest rapper on planet.
IDK if is Lyrical Miracle... but i like the outsidebox thinking to conect rhymes and the amout on entenders u can have with it, and yes sound good too, and make u think and focus on the lyrics... but For EM not only is a flex but he's being so long in the game and spit so much rhymes... that the only way for him not repeat himself on bars/rhymes is bc his Lyrical acrobatics and unorthodox flows (idk how he find those pockets and bend the shit out words.)
100 brother. I feel like every few years people drag Em into weird convos trying to pull him down. First it was Em is done because he's got nothing controversial to rap about, then it was Em isn't shit when he's sober. It's whatever, Em the GOAT.
yea and i agree anyone can rap any shit if u prepare and study the game.... but no one can write like EM, his pen skill its years ahead of this gen rappers... and like iSaetanice said EM IS THE GOAT.
Bro Eminem lyrics not even that great honestly go read the lyrics to the song he just made with nas the punch lines is corny he just put together allot of multi syllable words even if they don't make sense he will say it just because it rhymes that's not skills dude these guys is speaking 100% facts
@@luccib7225 but they saying he have the skill... and his lines are corny how? bc he talk amost the same as Nas Nas talked about - Drugs/Money/Woman and recognition Em talked - Money /Woman / Drugs / recognition u can say is not for u Taste how EM rhymes Sound and i can accpt that! but lyricaly all those in the game say he has amazing skill (Rakim,Jay,Nas, Wayne and more said... but hey maybe ur knowledge about it is better than them right?)
@@Batolsai exactlyyyyyy thank youuuu, if the OG's are saying that his skill is unmatched, maybe their opinion is not that important like the one from @lucci B..... lmao :)
You must not have ever listened to a song from Eminem. For the most part Eminem just doesn't have any bars. He raps about a whole lot of nothing fast as fuck. If he had to be the goat of anything, it would be the rapper who can say nothing the fastest. If he isn't rapping about raping women or something political, it's some other creepy stuff like eating people. Is that the kind of substance you're talking about? It's ironic because Eminem need substances to make decent songs, without them his career just dies off.
@@Azraeluchiha999 so the OG's who respect eminem pen game just because he just rap fast and didn't have any bars/substance?lol..are you sure you hearing Em song not mumble rapper tho?😂😂..it went over your head and you said he only rap fast and most part doesn't have any bars..lol..😂..
@@Azraeluchiha999 I thought about something once got so upset I just spit ...like I Had-to spit. And there's a phrase-saying, spitting mad. I didn't think anything of it,, until I came across it, and I realized I'm operating in the world and there's stuff I might not know or just don't catch. So please, if it's not too beneath you, Please, find the names of two Eminem songs that are good examples of Eminem going fast but as you say not saying anything and maybe post that here, this way I can hear what you're saying and have an opportunity to catch what you're meaning. So I can judge for myself your point of view after seeing. Thank you if you do. And thanks in general for reading this far even if you don't, sharing opinions can be enlightening.-Ernie Moore Jr.
He wasn't going after Eminem at all... Seems like he actually respects Em, especially that flexing comment! Salute to Ransom! It also seems like he respects Lupe & Los!
Eminem says he likes doing freeform poetry where he just follows words, but to him that is play. He knows his reputation rests on his ability to be serious. Also he has joked about how lyrical miracle stuff can always in the moment beat reality based bars since the slim shady LP “ This is lyrical combat, gentlemen, hold your pistols But I form like Voltron and blast you with my shoulder missiles “ - Eminem
@@TurnTheStoveOnBlaze mockingbird-talking about his daughters and how he'll be there for them and how much he loves them? yeah thats not talking about shit. Lose yourself-talking about motivation and going after your dreams? yeah not talking about shit. When I'm gone?-talking about how hes on the road and doesn't get to see his daughters? yeah not talking about shit. Zeus? not talking about shit. Revival songs, even though their not good, yeah not talking about shit. lmao, i can go on and on. you don't listen to eminem so your awful opinion means nothing LMAO
My thing is just don't be so lyrical to the point that you're taking away from the main message. If I can't listen to your song one time and take something away from it i.e I received most of what you were trying to tell me, then your song was too out of whack. As a rapper, i can say it's actually easier to make a super lyrical song that is very hard to dissect and understand, than it is to make an equally lyrical song that the average listener could understand. The increase in skill level required comes from having to be direct with your lyrics, and only being allowed to use common concepts and terms rather than obscure shit to fill up your rhymes. Keeping it that simple while still saying mind-blowing shit lyrically is the peak of what rap is all about in my opinion, but everyone can view rap their own way.
@@GnosticChild I agree, I don't think either are trash. Everything we do, everything in life, if it doesn't relate or make you happy, always find what does.
@@MrFlameRad my think is closer to… have a message. I was saying this elsewhere. Rappers caught up in the mechanics of rap, not the content. A kid with a thesaurus could make a essay sound professional, but can’t give you a professionals insight.
This is how i see it , the so called "lyrical mirical " rappers and the street poets do the same thing but with a different form of speech and within a different context..THEY BOTH GOT BARS Example : King los , Mickey , Daylyt use historical facts , antics with few words that we don't use everyday when we communicate in the hood , add it up with conscious and spiritual stories. That's why they call it "lyrical, mirical ", not everyone will listen to them and understand what they're talking about automatically , but their raps is still full of figurative language , bars , schemes, multi-syllables rhymes , wordplay and punchlines etc.. Lloyd Banks, Jada ,Cassidy, Ransom use street stories, on the block , kidnapping people, with the lingo that we use in the hood everyday that's why niggas it's catchy for us and their raps is also full of multi-syllables rhymes, bars , wordplay, punchlines, figurative language, multi-entendres. So both camps do the same thing , they just do it with a different form of speech and with in a different context (stories). Geeks rappers vs Street poet..
Eminem says he likes doing freeform poetry where he just follows words, but to him that is play. He knows his reputation rests on his ability to be serious. Also he has joked about how lyrical miracle stuff can always in the moment beat reality based bars since the slim shady LP “ This is lyrical combat, gentlemen, hold your pistols But I form like Voltron and blast you with my shoulder missiles “ - Eminem
Yeah Ems hottest verses aren't lyrical lyrical. Hes usually jumping in and out out rhyme patterns with multisyllabics but he has been rapping fast a lot lately .
I know Ransom not sayin King Los dont be sayin nothin🤔 Man Los will 💨💨 him. It's not that Ransom doesn't want to "lyrical Miracle rap" it's the simple fact that he doesn't know how at a high level. Quit trying to redefine what lyrical Miracle is. He clearly didn't hear King los lemon pepper freestyle. that was a lyrical Masterpiece without the miracle to it
1. You clearly didn’t understand this segment. Ransom is not knocking lyrical miracle rap; he is just saying he is not a fan or rhyming with no substance. No more, no less. 2. You might want to check out Ransom last few albums. Or even his old Clue mixtapes with Fab, Budden, etc. he had an elite pen.
@@cperkins5050 I did understand the segment but he was low-key throwing Shade. Thats offensive to a lyrical rapper to say that he's "not saying anything.", especially talkin about an the elite pen such as king Los.
@@cperkins5050 and yes I listened to Ransoms music and he does have an elite pen. I just don't think that King Louis name should be mentioned in the conversation of no substance. The subject matter of his songs are phenomenal
I look at lyrical miracle rap as rap where your technical in the manipulation of words. High level wordsmith. So the multi sylables, triple entendres, stretchin words etc. I take someone like a Crooked I who is crazy technical and can talk that real at the same time but others are focused strictly on the Art of words
For me Eminem can't be placed in one catagory since he's done alot of lanes in rap and with that slaying those lanes. Why he's one of the goats in my opinion.
Ransom is on the money! I never thought of it like that, rap can actually be taught but you have to say something that makes people think damn. I think he’s wrong about King Los tho, he raps a lot of shit that resonates
@@GnosticChild he was low-key Throwing Shade for real. He tried to dress it up real nice but those of us who understand critical thinking and logical fallacies can see right through that.
@@demicosmith9371 Ransom is a hater for real. After that live with Royce where he was trying to shit on Mickey I saw his true colors. He'll throw anyone under the bus for attention and clout
@@victorsurge6507 That's what math and them say, a lot did make sense, did you listen to Big L flow patterns on most of his flows... miracle lyrical rapper period regardless of his content. Now das efx ,fu snicken, lords if the underground made no sense. And I knew big L .
Besides the battle rap circuit I've never heard of King I don't know a single person that knows of King Los I get it he's a Ghost writer and he's nice with the pen but I've never heard of it
They hating bc they can't do it...in rap you can rap about anything..just because you can't rap about a particular subject doesn't mean it's not real rap....smh...I guess we should stick with the dumb shit...when ppl spit something that moves your mind and increases you're IQ it's means nothing and they are not saying anything is that what they are saying??! .....smdh..let's stick mumble rap..lol
@Cerise Medina oh really? We had no idea. Its not like there are rappers out there who can mesh the two together and because of this they are often mentioned in the top 5. Oh wait. Kendrick does this eminem does this jay z does this biggie did this and nas
@Cerise Medina obviously if you don't rap with a story you won't get on. But if you think you thats all it takes and that having an elite pen has nothing to do with it you need to do your research
Bis definitely does say shit in his lyrics though but I get what they’re saying with hyperbole in his music. Regardless, just because people can’t follow what he’s talking about doesn’t mean he isn’t saying anything that’s just crazy.
Cut it out canibus in his prime had rappers SHOOK ... rappers talk about guns they never shot drugs they never sold ladies they never fucked etc most rappers are exaggerating .... canibus is the father of most these rappers style now end of the day the art needs them all
You better tell em. Canibus was a problem in his prime . Canibus is an intelligent dude. It's amazing how they never pointed out Canibus intelligence. Basically these dudes lean into the street realm without saying it . It's crazy how a person has to be in a certain box for them to believe that a certain artist is nice.
Ok I get what they saying...u got ppl that rap REALLY good...but u don't FEEL their lyrics...like u don't connect with that they saying...like 2pac Dear Momma, Bone Crossroads, etc THEY HIT ya heart... vs somebody just spitting hotlines just REALLY can't feel like a los
Its sounds more like new rappers are making excuses for why they can't meet the standards of hip hop, they rather attack the intelligent rap style so that it makes it easier for the to succeed with their bullshit, Eminem and artist like him scared them, black rappers survive of white fan bases in America, im black and it angers me that we do this when we are challenged sometimes🤦♂️ Its ruining the art and believe it or not, to the rest of the world they see it and we look stupid on the low, we need to stop and raise standards not lower them, we want real artist, not imstagram fashion models, or just drug dealers🤦♂️ Its our art form, we are brilliant my black people, stop acting intimidated, show off your mind not gear
lol none of them really be saying shit I haven't heard 1000 times before though.. Canibus had the battle bars but he rapped about all kinds of specific subject matter. lyrical miracle is that bullshit rap where someone thinks just rapping syllables together is all it is, and they suck at it so much they don't even have the self reflection to see that they are rhyming the most basic shit ever. i hit you with the lyrical miracle from the spiritual spherical empirical is different from saying you had the worst excitement during your first indictment and the grand jury was shocked like a burst of lightnin'. which is also different from saying you have a scary suspicion that you married a vixen who's off with your preacher in a missionary position. Ran can spend an hour rapping about how other rappers aren't real and how he puts in work lol. he does it lyrically though. he's a semi complex lyrical miracle rapper with a specific syllable delivery. Ran will be like "I recommend that you don't make the wrong choice and call one of my songs moist cause I'll leave you hollerin in ya mom's voice" lol. Math can put bars together that are nice. Cocaine rap isn't saying shit cause it's literally lumped in that category. That makes lyrical miracle more diverse and interesting so long as it's done with some kind of style and polish in the delivery.
Back in the day it was yo MTV Raps, The Lyricist lounge show,, and Arsenio Hall show where rappers could jump on the mic and spit. There needs to be a platform where rappers can just show off talent in front of their peers.
Today hip hop is global because of lyrical miracle... Period... People from around the globe took interest in hip hop bcoz you can say intelligent stuff through hip hop... Metaphors, double 's and triple's, wordplays, word bending, multi syllable rhyming
@@balle733 your culture say thug this thug that ...thug life is not your culture, wearing bandana is not your culture, still we say nothing🤡🙏🏾 search it and educate yourself.. before speaking your stupid and ignorant mind out
lyrical mirical is rhyming words that mean nothing, Em a lyrical miracle rapper 🤪😂😂 there talking shit cos em has no filter everything means somthing, em is all lanes combined into 1
The best rappers have range. Why keep trying to fit some of them in a box Eminem was lyrical miracle, story teller (fictional and non fictional), funny rapper, depressing song rapper, broke as f raper, trolling celeb rapper lmao Eminem did whatever the f he wanted and did it at the highest level Then you have someone like Logic who can be seen as lyrical miracle but his biggest song was about depression/ suicide etc Enjoy all the forms!!!
Rappers use big words but don't be saying much , they overcompensate for the music they had to rush, instead of creation ways to convey what they feel as such, they try to overcomplicate through their lyrics and that's a crutch, clutching your notepad , you're so mad that you pretend,..you spit the most far out s*** that you can pen, but when you try to sound smart without substance in your art, you're just as bad as the swagged out rappers that you condemn" - Locksmith
its not what u say but how u say it.....rap is expression........Biggie smalls and pac, Nas, kdot, cole, lupe, ice cube and Em are lyrical miracle....metaphorical
'I bomb atomically, Socrates philosophies and hypothesis can't define how I be dropping these mockeries/ lyrically perform armed robbery, flee with the lottery, possibly they spotted me/ battle scarred Shogun, explosion when my pen hits, tremendous, ultra violet shine, blind forensics....' lyrical miracle verse from one of the most lyrical miracle songs and groups of all time = DOPE!
The anti “lyrical miracle” argument is hypocritical garbage 100%. These same guys talking about how it doesn’t matter exist are the same ones shooting and killing ten thousand people per album while being the biggest drug lord the world has ever scene. Gtfoh
Eh idk. Ima have to disagree. Back then you didnt battle as long as you do now. So the effort now is more and its built different and bis is cut from the cloth of battling
Facts! The best rappers of all time are the ones that master the appeal of lyrical miracle rap and mumble rap. They got the skill of a miracle rapper, but the musical and cultural understanding of a "mumble" rapper i.e they know what people actually wanna hear. Best artist for this characterization is lil Wayne
@@DCMFR yeah I'm actually using mumble rap generally, I'm actually just referring to artists that aren't really lyrical and more so rap to adhere to mainstream trends and appeal. In the lyrical miracle side of hip hop they lazily call this type of rap mumble rap so i was agreeing. I was thinking of artists like lil baby Lil tjay Lil Durk who imo acc make great music
It's art, it depends on what you take from it and how it resonates with you. I dig and appreciate lyrical miracle from a creative standpoint....Supreme Clientele is one of my favourite albums and that's pretty much Ghostface taking a bunch of words, throwing them at the paper and then going in recording them where they fell. Still, it's artistic, creative and displays penmanship on another level, because it's more than just what's written, it's how it's presented by the artist/ MC.
This is exactly why i think rakim is the goat he was rapping his ass off but still be saying shit in most of his joints which very few rappers can do that
The funny thing is these guys never realised that Canubis was woke 👁 asf he talked about the matrix and people still sleeping he said it in the sing welcome to “channel zero” if they knew what he talked about they would have their twigs blown 😆😆😆👁
Nah but can we talk about Das EFX because Ransom said they wasn’t saying nothing and I kinda feel like that was purposely their whole point in a way…..and Das EFX is fire 🔥
Everybody keep saying DaBaby is a dope rapper but I don’t hear no lyrical shit in his lyrics. Can someone please explain this me? Am I missing something?
I think the bar has been lowered so in the age of mumble rappers DaBaby is one of the few that can actually put lyrics together and flow on a beat in a coherent and cohesive way. Now whether he make the same song over and over again is a different topic but if it ain’t broke don’t fix it I guessss… 😂
I agree with Math, you cant put Em in just lyrical miracle category, the man had so much storytelling songs , he was sayin shit on a lot of albums . Yeah, lately he have been more into lyrical miracle but i mean he is 20+ in the game , i think thats normal thing to do now , he already paint the canvas , as royce would say - he checked all the boxes hah lol Shout out to Math , doing huge for culture with this interviews !
As long as it’s dope… What if you just love to rap/be a lyricist and you haven’t been through a whole lotta drama or craziness in your life 🤷🏾♂️ You make whatever your vision of yourself and your life is and that’s that. If you saying something relevant, conscious, or just having fun. A lotta music, hot music, wouldn’t exist if everybody thought the same way and did/talked about the same 💩
Can I bus has plenty of real songs especially later in his career that y'all never attempted to listen to. It's irritating hearing a lot of your brother's say things that are 100% incorrect. And this ain't the first time y'all be having a lot of rappers f***** up
There's mad generalizations in these comments about who does and doesn't listen to Eminem 🙄 That shit gotta stop fr. If his music doesn't suit you then cool, but *PLEASE* stop trying to speak for entire demographics or reducing his culturally-diverse, global audience to a single stereotype. It's 2021. We should have evolved beyond this kind of thinking by now, smh
Yep and always will be! Lyrical miracle raps shows creativity. And it's like you on some super mc shit! It's like when canibus said " I will rip you, my metaphor combat will split you/ into powder like Chrystals so I can sniff you...or Eminem saying I walked into a gunfight with a knife to kill you/ and cut you so fast when your blood spilled it's still blue/ I'll hang you til you dangle and rearrange you/then pull you apart from both ankles.. I like lyrical miracle rap cuz I like to be entertained.
@@MrSarov facts. If I want reality,I'll look out my window. I think the fantasy part is the reason super hero films are so popular. Now imagine a person using only words and is able to make you see with your minds eye these impossible feats! And on top of that,it sounds good to the ears
Canibus did that for shock value...he clearly was a master of both lyrical miracle and street shit ...2nd round k.o showed that....it was all direct fire at LL
It don’t matter how many bars you got ,, if you can’t make a song we want to play‼️ that’s for all y’all fav battle rappers who think they gods. Twitter got y’all head too big !
But battling has nothing to do with song making. And that’s what we want to hear from battlers. BARS. So I think this whole discussion in this video is some bullshit honestly
So y’all sayin ya fav battle rappers don’t wanna be world wide?? They wanna be notice. Idc what you say. That’s the whole point of making music or bars for the MOST PPL TO HEAR EM. And if they can’t make a hit song with bars something WRONG !
Someone growing up getting the 80s and 90s I can say this is why hip-hop has become more like fast food rather than good food. Judging quality on the concrete particulars rather than the skills and creativity i.e. mindbending metaphors similes and punchlines. Quality down ease use up.
Im not big on the lyrical miracle…. But im big on story telling rappers. I dig rappers who can articulate their stories into bars to where we can understand it. Rj payne, eminem, jay z, 2pac/big, benny,
It's funny to hear y'all talk about Canibus and there ain't a rapper president that's approaching him. I know the mental gymnastics you go through to make yourself believe you're something that you're not but y'all really ain't
A lyrical miracle rapper in my opinion is a person that's insanely good at rhyming but the content they're rapping about is about the rap itself and nothing else " Im ripping it and tipping it and twisting it while lifting shit, a hooligan with a tool again who is you again I spit through you and him" but a lot of people mislabel rappers that are actually rapping about something as lyrical miracle rappers simply because they get distracted by the constant word acrobats and/or rap speed that they actually don't know how to listen to what is being said because they lack the ability to digest it as a full package.
Im from ohio, you aint lyin ohio is wild! Found my older brother's cassette tapes of bone thugs and krs1. And thats kinda how i was introduced dope rap shit
I love both Sean Price and Fu Schnickens. Fu-Shnickens and Das EFX and nowhere near lyrical miracle, this genre of hip hop was started by eminem. every lyrical miracle rapper is eminem copy
i'm kinda tired of niggas dissing people who put thought into their lyrics. Like nah, you joke on it because you really don't understand what those lyricists are saying. Just say you aren't thinking on a high enough frequency to get it. And they always make it seem like they can do it too if they really wanted to but never do it. Stop the Cannibus disrespect because that nigga was nice, Em is nice, King Los is nice, Doom was nice. Just because these guys reference things in their lyrics that are beyond the corner of your block does not mean they have no meaning behind them. Go out and live life, try new shit, open your mind and then you can start to understand what these lyricists are saying. But nah they rather listen to the same old recycled gun and drug bars. Like nah, anyone can do that which is why there are more of those rappers
There is no such thing as "lyrical miracle". Its as empty a criticism as "mumble rap". People who use highly complex lyrical ability aren't saying "random things" like how people like to say.
Your revisiting this canibus thing and your recollection is not accurate we ALL thought canibus was going down as the best rapper ever before he dropped that album "At a thousand degrees Celsius I make mc's melt Fuck ya rap label I appear courtesy of myself" Bis was blacking tf out then he dropped that album and everybody was disappointed but he had too many verses out to not give him his proper respect
Lyrical miracle is just for the love of words, Its the equivalent of abstract painting for the love of painting, compared to painting a landscape or a portrait. Project Blowed is the epitome of Lyrical Miracle
I like lyrical miracle. Sometimes it’s fun just to marvel at someone’s mastery of technique. But it’s best if you can drop some real shit in your music. Canibus can get a bit esoteric but shit he rapped about in 98 is relevant now.
“And, oh yeah To all them rap ass rappers wit ya half assed rhymes talkin bout how Much you get high, how much weed you smoke and that crazy space shit That don't even make no sense Don't ever speak to me when you see me, knowaimsaying? Word. -Prodigy.
I always thought that was aimed at “lyrical miracle” Keith Murray... That’s one example I can think of in HipHop where the distinction can be seen/heard.
Respectfully disagree with u on that for the simple fact he did make words up, but he was kickin lyrics crazy. Murray substance was official and I do understand why Prodigy dissed him, but even BIG had super respect for Murray and his craft.
@@upclosenpersonal100 That’s definitely arguable, but they both went crazy on the “I Shot Ya” remix and Murray’s verse was pretty coherent on that record as well the rest of his catalog
I personally love lyrical miracle raps! It shows creativity. It's almost like the mc is making himself out to be a super hero. Which is why the early lyricists didn't go by their real name but a tag name. Because their tag name was their alter ego. If I want something that's only grounded in reality,I can look outside my window. I think rappers who don't like the lyrical miracle rappers don't like it because they can't compete. I guess rakim, the father of modern day rap is a lyrical miracle rapper then. The hyperbole of rap was to show that you wasn't the average man on any level. And plus the so called reality rap is what got these kids going astray. We need more lyrical miracle rappers and not a bunch of fake thugs on the mic leading the culture astray with bullshit while they are getting shake down by the real thugs in their entourage
If you're forcing rappers to do multi syllable rhymes then you're gonna get shitty bars like "I'm more crazy than a short lady who give birth to 84 babies"
@@Iloveyou-dz7mq I don't want to force rappers to do multis. My post was saying that there is a place in hip-hop for that style. I just like mcs that put thought into their rhymes.
It’s about your IMAGINATION. When Nas said “When I was 12 I went to hell for snuffing Jesus”, the whole game froze. Why?? Because of the strength of his CREATIVITY. It doesn’t have to be real. Plus, Canibus 💯percent wrote Free’s verse. Stop hating on that man for using a laptop. SMH
I say this about my singing and freestyling. I tell people. It’s all just doing it with repetition. Put the hours in. People say that I’m naturally talented. No I put the time in and learned the skills I have.
The ability to rap is a talent, it's just like anybody can learn the skill of basketball but some people are talented or gifted in basketball. A talent is when you have a natural aptitude or natural skill for something. Some people have a talent for writing so just because anyone can learn how to doing something doesn't mean people can't be talented at it. Nothing in of itself is a talent or skill. Anybody can learn to be skillful but to be talented you have to be born with said talent. Not everybody can be a Langston Hughs, MFDOOM, Prince, etc. To be gifted in something is similar to being talented however being gifted is really in terms of academic things such are the language arts while being talented is in terms of creative things such as creative writing. Gifted also can reference to high levels of potential whereas talented can also refer to current high level of ability. In the art world talent people have what they call an eye for art. They have an ability to see something that others don't when creating art. For speakers it's called the gift of gab and for writers the ability of honeyed words.
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“A rhyming cannibal who's dressed to kill, it's cynical
Whether is it animal, vegetable or mineral
It's a miracle how he get so lyrical
And proceed to move the crowd like a old negro spiritual” - MF DOOM
"I'm the most spiritual lyrical
version of a miracle
They mimic the spirit of lyric
and copycat the syllables" - Beast 1333
Yeah well according to these dudes MF Doom is not saying anything lol
@@lalayon08u can be a lyrical miracle rapper and still be dope thats the whole point of the video
@@papertiger9845 I disagree. This is used a pejorative term not solely as simple concept definition.
@@lalayon08 Lyrical miracle rap can be good, but it gets corny and forced when all you do is rhyme big words and use multi-syllables.
He wasn't dissing Em.
They spoke about a lot about the passion and content he had put out in his career. . Just that more so nowadays he's flexing his technical skills.
But, they didn't put him in the same box as cannabis or king los.
He's put his whole life on tracks.
He's told his whole story now & when he went more content ish on Revival , people didn't like him speaking politics, well a big percentage didn't.. and with everything being so political nowadays, kind of tough not 2 speak on it. ..(Which is kinda funny now, cause ya still got the Em haters from b4, & then after that BET cypher & Revival, had a bunch of new haters, white Trump supporters.. which is funny af cause those are same mfers who love to talk bout Freedom of Speech... until it's speech you don't like. Idc what peeps say, that was putting his $$ where his mouth was. Wasn't like he gained fans from that, he lost fans who worship a politician..
At 25+ yrs in the game how much more content songs can he drop that he already hasn't put out or even motivational/anthem type songs?
He doesn't have anything else to prove.
So, me personally, I'd like to see more og collabs. Like the 1 dropping on Nas album that drops Friday with Nas, Em & EPMD. Eric Sermon with Nas & Em. 🔥 .
I wanna see those collabs with Rakim, 3 stacks, treach, Monch, LL, hell get a Cube & Kurupt collab. Round out some of my all time fav MCs.
You're speaking all facts. Like on that Revival album Em got a song called (Believe) and on one of the verses he says " But how do you keep up the pace and the hunger when you've already won the race" that was a very powerful and profound line right there. He was basically saying he's already accomplished all he need to accomplish in rap so how do he keep up the pace with it or keep topping it
@@tony-poetic007 my fave track on the album, especially that 3rd verse. 🔥
@@CSpad Yeah man that's my favorite one too 💪🏽💪🏽
@@tony-poetic007 That song gives me fu*kin chills when I hear it. The part when he says "I'm the light at the end of the tunnel, So people are always lookin' to me as they're goin' through it" That play on inspiration vs. facing death is insane.
@@akaspon1 Bro tell me about it. And when he mentions proof 💪🏽💪🏽
King Los said.. "Any Rapper Say My Name" ... 👀😳😌
🔥
I actually like Ransom more but Los will fckin smoke him, no contest lol
🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢
Wow the Hate is real in this blog. Get Bis on the Godamn show Math enough is enough. Respectfully my brotha. people acting like at one time Bis wasn't the scariest rapper on planet.
One billion percent. And everyone wanted a feature on him on their album, INCLUDING some of the Gods of this rap shit.
Facts
Bis?
@@theinfamouschb itbiskit dude from long island top 10 lyricist had the all the legends wanting a verse look up his track with Jada
He definitely was and his homie from Philly journalist was a monster as well
IDK if is Lyrical Miracle... but i like the outsidebox thinking to conect rhymes and the amout on entenders u can have with it, and yes sound good too, and make u think and focus on the lyrics... but For EM not only is a flex but he's being so long in the game and spit so much rhymes... that the only way for him not repeat himself on bars/rhymes is bc his Lyrical acrobatics and unorthodox flows (idk how he find those pockets and bend the shit out words.)
100 brother. I feel like every few years people drag Em into weird convos trying to pull him down. First it was Em is done because he's got nothing controversial to rap about, then it was Em isn't shit when he's sober. It's whatever, Em the GOAT.
yea and i agree anyone can rap any shit if u prepare and study the game.... but no one can write like EM, his pen skill its years ahead of this gen rappers... and like iSaetanice said EM IS THE GOAT.
Bro Eminem lyrics not even that great honestly go read the lyrics to the song he just made with nas the punch lines is corny he just put together allot of multi syllable words even if they don't make sense he will say it just because it rhymes that's not skills dude these guys is speaking 100% facts
@@luccib7225 but they saying he have the skill... and his lines are corny how?
bc he talk amost the same as Nas
Nas talked about - Drugs/Money/Woman and recognition
Em talked - Money /Woman / Drugs / recognition
u can say is not for u Taste how EM rhymes Sound and i can accpt that!
but lyricaly all those in the game say he has amazing skill (Rakim,Jay,Nas, Wayne and more said... but hey maybe ur knowledge about it is better than them right?)
@@Batolsai exactlyyyyyy thank youuuu, if the OG's are saying that his skill is unmatched, maybe their opinion is not that important like the one from @lucci B..... lmao :)
I just don't like when anybody in the culture think they can dictate what the culture is that ain't how that work
Perfectly said. Especially when it comes from a place of "I'm not as popular as I feel I should be"
@stryfetc1 not when you inject your own situation until the story hell no it's not
@stryfetc1 And he is entitled to that. But we can also have an opinion about his opinion. Is that not allowed?
Until you in the game then how can you say they don't have a valid opinion, smh
He speaking facts.
Eminem is more than juss lyrical miracle and definently has both lyrics/flow/substance
You must not have ever listened to a song from Eminem. For the most part Eminem just doesn't have any bars. He raps about a whole lot of nothing fast as fuck. If he had to be the goat of anything, it would be the rapper who can say nothing the fastest. If he isn't rapping about raping women or something political, it's some other creepy stuff like eating people. Is that the kind of substance you're talking about? It's ironic because Eminem need substances to make decent songs, without them his career just dies off.
@@Azraeluchiha999 literally everything you said was wrong, eminem has so much substance in his songs, his bars all have meaning(s).
@@Azraeluchiha999 so the OG's who respect eminem pen game just because he just rap fast and didn't have any bars/substance?lol..are you sure you hearing Em song not mumble rapper tho?😂😂..it went over your head and you said he only rap fast and most part doesn't have any bars..lol..😂..
@@DJ-qe6lp he maybe mistake hearing 69 or any other mumble rapper and think it's em..😂😂..
@@Azraeluchiha999 I thought about something once got so upset I just spit ...like I Had-to spit. And there's a phrase-saying, spitting mad. I didn't think anything of it,, until I came across it, and I realized I'm operating in the world and there's stuff I might not know or just don't catch. So please, if it's not too beneath you, Please, find the names of two Eminem songs that are good examples of Eminem going fast but as you say not saying anything and maybe post that here, this way I can hear what you're saying and have an opportunity to catch what you're meaning. So I can judge for myself your point of view after seeing. Thank you if you do. And thanks in general for reading this far even if you don't, sharing opinions can be enlightening.-Ernie Moore Jr.
He wasn't going after Eminem at all... Seems like he actually respects Em, especially that flexing comment! Salute to Ransom! It also seems like he respects Lupe & Los!
did he say something in a song?
Eminem says he likes doing freeform poetry where he just follows words, but to him that is play. He knows his reputation rests on his ability to be serious. Also he has joked about how lyrical miracle stuff can always in the moment beat reality based bars since the slim shady LP
“ This is lyrical combat, gentlemen, hold your pistols
But I form like Voltron and blast you with my shoulder missiles “ - Eminem
We all respect Em, but he don't be talking about shit (from the Slim Shady LP all the way to Encore).
@@TurnTheStoveOnBlaze Rock Bottom is on the Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP has Stan, white america is on the Eminem show and mosh is on encore
@@TurnTheStoveOnBlaze mockingbird-talking about his daughters and how he'll be there for them and how much he loves them? yeah thats not talking about shit. Lose yourself-talking about motivation and going after your dreams? yeah not talking about shit. When I'm gone?-talking about how hes on the road and doesn't get to see his daughters? yeah not talking about shit. Zeus? not talking about shit. Revival songs, even though their not good, yeah not talking about shit. lmao, i can go on and on. you don't listen to eminem so your awful opinion means nothing LMAO
Like Eminem said on the Revival album on that song (Believe) " How do you keep up the pace and the hunger when you've already won the race"
@Captain Balls No that is how the MC game works, you compete.
@Captain Balls you’re a clown 😂😂 who tf is colonizing hip hop? Tf u talking about
@Captain Balls hip hop is still dominated by black ppl and the most Successful are still black
@Chee Baby and sugar ain't sweet you carnival 🤡
@Captain Balls exactly. I don't take them serious.
If it's too lyrical, it's trash...
If it's not lyrical enough, it's trash...
Apparently.
To each their own. I dont think either are trash. It's what you like and relate to.
My thing is just don't be so lyrical to the point that you're taking away from the main message. If I can't listen to your song one time and take something away from it i.e I received most of what you were trying to tell me, then your song was too out of whack. As a rapper, i can say it's actually easier to make a super lyrical song that is very hard to dissect and understand, than it is to make an equally lyrical song that the average listener could understand. The increase in skill level required comes from having to be direct with your lyrics, and only being allowed to use common concepts and terms rather than obscure shit to fill up your rhymes. Keeping it that simple while still saying mind-blowing shit lyrically is the peak of what rap is all about in my opinion, but everyone can view rap their own way.
@@MrFlameRad like papoose
@@GnosticChild I agree, I don't think either are trash. Everything we do, everything in life, if it doesn't relate or make you happy, always find what does.
@@MrFlameRad my think is closer to… have a message. I was saying this elsewhere. Rappers caught up in the mechanics of rap, not the content. A kid with a thesaurus could make a essay sound professional, but can’t give you a professionals insight.
This is how i see it , the so called "lyrical mirical " rappers and the street poets do the same thing but with a different form of speech and within a different context..THEY BOTH GOT BARS
Example :
King los , Mickey , Daylyt use historical facts , antics with few words that we don't use everyday when we communicate in the hood , add it up with conscious and spiritual stories. That's why they call it "lyrical, mirical ", not everyone will listen to them and understand what they're talking about automatically , but their raps is still full of figurative language , bars , schemes, multi-syllables rhymes , wordplay and punchlines etc..
Lloyd Banks, Jada ,Cassidy, Ransom use street stories, on the block , kidnapping people, with the lingo that we use in the hood everyday that's why niggas it's catchy for us and their raps is also full of multi-syllables rhymes, bars , wordplay, punchlines, figurative language, multi-entendres.
So both camps do the same thing , they just do it with a different form of speech and with in a different context (stories).
Geeks rappers vs Street poet..
I never thought about it, King Los vs Ransom would be 🔥
Not at all ransom would murder him easily 🤣🤣🤣🤣💯
@@floydjones1219 no.
@@floydjones1219 you smoking the fattest rocks on 8 mile
King Los is on other levels
@@floydjones1219 King Los would body the whole East Coast. Stop playing with Los.
Ransoms beard is bothering me to the core lol
BRUUUUUHHH.. like.. he need to murk his barber
That double chin huh? 🤦🏾♂️
How he in a barbershop and nobody gonna help this man out. Lmao. Kills me man
“You’re beards weird” come on MGK
@@Awbskure3am haha yo I was thinking the same he needs to grow his neck beard out!
Eminem says he likes doing freeform poetry where he just follows words, but to him that is play. He knows his reputation rests on his ability to be serious. Also he has joked about how lyrical miracle stuff can always in the moment beat reality based bars since the slim shady LP
“ This is lyrical combat, gentlemen, hold your pistols
But I form like Voltron and blast you with my shoulder missiles “ - Eminem
I mean, this is just a figurative language that sounds doper than ‘I’ll fuck you up’ 😂
Yeah Ems hottest verses aren't lyrical lyrical. Hes usually jumping in and out out rhyme patterns with multisyllabics but he has been rapping fast a lot lately .
wack
Bone is one of the greatest rap groups of all time. I love Bone. Shout out to my fellow Midwesterners. I was born and raised in the Chi.
I know Ransom not sayin King Los dont be sayin nothin🤔 Man Los will 💨💨 him. It's not that Ransom doesn't want to "lyrical Miracle rap" it's the simple fact that he doesn't know how at a high level. Quit trying to redefine what lyrical Miracle is. He clearly didn't hear King los lemon pepper freestyle. that was a lyrical Masterpiece without the miracle to it
1. You clearly didn’t understand this segment. Ransom is not knocking lyrical miracle rap; he is just saying he is not a fan or rhyming with no substance. No more, no less. 2. You might want to check out Ransom last few albums. Or even his old Clue mixtapes with Fab, Budden, etc. he had an elite pen.
@@cperkins5050 I did understand the segment but he was low-key throwing Shade. Thats offensive to a lyrical rapper to say that he's "not saying anything.", especially talkin about an the elite pen such as king Los.
@@cperkins5050 and yes I listened to Ransoms music and he does have an elite pen. I just don't think that King Louis name should be mentioned in the conversation of no substance. The subject matter of his songs are phenomenal
@@cperkins5050
Basically rhyming just for rhyming's sake. Benny The Butcher said something to that effect.
I look at lyrical miracle rap as rap where your technical in the manipulation of words. High level wordsmith. So the multi sylables, triple entendres, stretchin words etc. I take someone like a Crooked I who is crazy technical and can talk that real at the same time but others are focused strictly on the Art of words
Facts man
Lyrical miracle to me is tap without content or a message. Just a lyrical exhibition.
I agree but triple entendres doesn't fall into the category for me. That has to do w meaning and substance, not the way it sounds
@@BalanceOvOpposites it does.
Crooked I is God tier
For me Eminem can't be placed in one catagory since he's done alot of lanes in rap and with that slaying those lanes. Why he's one of the goats in my opinion.
Eminem ain’t shit!! Does absolutely nothing for me. Can’t relate
Yeah Ems hottest verses aren't lyrical miracle anyway
@@olufemi42 shut up. Anybody who can’t realize Em’s greatness is either dumb or hating.
@@olufemi42 Yoruba fool Eminem is the 🐐🐐
@@olufemi42 What did you relate in life fool
ransom gave the right definition of lyrical miracle
math for some strange reason related it to punchlines you wouldnt act out in real life.
Ransom is on the money! I never thought of it like that, rap can actually be taught but you have to say something that makes people think damn. I think he’s wrong about King Los tho, he raps a lot of shit that resonates
He definitely wrong about King Los. King Los better than him wether or not he's lyrical Miracle rappin.
Cuz all ransom talks about it the streets. So to him anything outside of that you ain't saying nothing. Not true
@@GnosticChild he was low-key Throwing Shade for real. He tried to dress it up real nice but those of us who understand critical thinking and logical fallacies can see right through that.
@@demicosmith9371 Ransom is a hater for real. After that live with Royce where he was trying to shit on Mickey I saw his true colors. He'll throw anyone under the bus for attention and clout
@@demicosmith9371smfh🤦♂️🤦♂️ u outta ur mind ransom will rap circles round dat nigga 🤣🤣🤣💯
Wait... wasn't Big L, Big Pun, Treach of Naughty by nature and G rap, pharoah monch and em " lyrical miracle mcees....?
Nah especially L he made clear sense when he rapped
Yup
Pun maybe. Big L was a punchline rapper
@@victorsurge6507 That's what math and them say, a lot did make sense, did you listen to Big L flow patterns on most of his flows... miracle lyrical rapper period regardless of his content. Now das efx ,fu snicken, lords if the underground made no sense. And I knew big L .
@@mantra4612 Canibus was a punchline rapper but they throw him in that category cuz he never spoke about reality
I don't agree with the king Los statement at all. Los is top tier status.
But I think he gave him props he's just saying not to say he's a lyrical miracle because his definition of it is not saying anything.
Besides the battle rap circuit I've never heard of King I don't know a single person that knows of King Los I get it he's a Ghost writer and he's nice with the pen but I've never heard of it
@@reinaldopessoa2603 Los says a lot though. These dudes just think you not saying anything unless you talking bout the cold hard streets
@@GnosticChild this is facts, also some may dismiss him because they miss his metaphors!
Los a monster ✊🏾
They hating bc they can't do it...in rap you can rap about anything..just because you can't rap about a particular subject doesn't mean it's not real rap....smh...I guess we should stick with the dumb shit...when ppl spit something that moves your mind and increases you're IQ it's means nothing and they are not saying anything is that what they are saying??! .....smdh..let's stick mumble rap..lol
Period. I thought I heard a couple of Daylyt jabs in the original video I saw but they don't want it.
@@tashajones3661 daylyt would mop the floor with literally anyone in this room shit prolly all of em at once too
@Cerise Medina oh really? We had no idea. Its not like there are rappers out there who can mesh the two together and because of this they are often mentioned in the top 5. Oh wait. Kendrick does this eminem does this jay z does this biggie did this and nas
@Cerise Medina obviously if you don't rap with a story you won't get on. But if you think you thats all it takes and that having an elite pen has nothing to do with it you need to do your research
@Cerise Medina Eminem is the 🐐
Salute Math salute Ransom respect from Maryland
Glad to actually hear people give Bone Thugs their props. They’re my favorite rap group.
Agree
Bis definitely does say shit in his lyrics though but I get what they’re saying with hyperbole in his music. Regardless, just because people can’t follow what he’s talking about doesn’t mean he isn’t saying anything that’s just crazy.
Thank you
Canibus made most of these rapper saying they the G.O.A.T or they are Aliens and are not from Earth
Tell me about the sun moon and the stars; intergalactic metaphors from Mars🤣: Eminem dissing Canibus
Eminem mixed reality with entertainment and imagination
Everything is subjective.
It's always the guy with little to no skill who wants to ridicule the linguist.
I disagree he’s nice
Facts Ransom is basic as shit and talking down the niggas like Canibus who would still smoke his ass.
Ransom has skills.
If canibus is lyrical miracle. Every single battle rapper is lyricsl miracle to the fullest
I think that's the point they are making
Which battle rappers do you listen to?
Imagine listening to battle rap as music.
@@freud7264ether,takeover,no vaseline,hit em up,bridge is over u have
Cut it out canibus in his prime had rappers SHOOK ... rappers talk about guns they never shot drugs they never sold ladies they never fucked etc most rappers are exaggerating .... canibus is the father of most these rappers style now end of the day the art needs them all
You better tell em. Canibus was a problem in his prime . Canibus is an intelligent dude. It's amazing how they never pointed out Canibus intelligence. Basically these dudes lean into the street realm without saying it . It's crazy how a person has to be in a certain box for them to believe that a certain artist is nice.
Amen
Canibus is a legend bro!! Please stop!!!
Ok I get what they saying...u got ppl that rap REALLY good...but u don't FEEL their lyrics...like u don't connect with that they saying...like 2pac Dear Momma, Bone Crossroads, etc THEY HIT ya heart... vs somebody just spitting hotlines just REALLY can't feel like a los
What the f is he talking about??? OMG he is dope ,top 5 right now but needs to chill the f out
EM kills every style
Sunz Of Man was lyrical miracle but with something too say. Deep street spiritual content. 🙌💯
I would love to see the top 10 lyrical miracle rappers in that barber shop. All chosen by a poll. Fans decide all 10.
They was wrong about das efx. Das was nice. They was spittin. Hold it down is a classic
@@chaunt100 fosho I don't get why they were shittn on em.
@@onehitterquitter2130 em is nice but it's better and more lyrical rappers... but i didn't hear them shit on em tho
@@worldwiderell1812 My bad. I didn't mean EMINEM I was saying em as in them Das Efx. I was agreeing with you on your post.
Its sounds more like new rappers are making excuses for why they can't meet the standards of hip hop, they rather attack the intelligent rap style so that it makes it easier for the to succeed with their bullshit, Eminem and artist like him scared them, black rappers survive of white fan bases in America, im black and it angers me that we do this when we are challenged sometimes🤦♂️ Its ruining the art and believe it or not, to the rest of the world they see it and we look stupid on the low, we need to stop and raise standards not lower them, we want real artist, not imstagram fashion models, or just drug dealers🤦♂️ Its our art form, we are brilliant my black people, stop acting intimidated, show off your mind not gear
lol none of them really be saying shit I haven't heard 1000 times before though.. Canibus had the battle bars but he rapped about all kinds of specific subject matter. lyrical miracle is that bullshit rap where someone thinks just rapping syllables together is all it is, and they suck at it so much they don't even have the self reflection to see that they are rhyming the most basic shit ever. i hit you with the lyrical miracle from the spiritual spherical empirical is different from saying you had the worst excitement during your first indictment and the grand jury was shocked like a burst of lightnin'. which is also different from saying you have a scary suspicion that you married a vixen who's off with your preacher in a missionary position. Ran can spend an hour rapping about how other rappers aren't real and how he puts in work lol. he does it lyrically though. he's a semi complex lyrical miracle rapper with a specific syllable delivery. Ran will be like "I recommend that you don't make the wrong choice and call one of my songs moist cause I'll leave you hollerin in ya mom's voice" lol. Math can put bars together that are nice. Cocaine rap isn't saying shit cause it's literally lumped in that category. That makes lyrical miracle more diverse and interesting so long as it's done with some kind of style and polish in the delivery.
Back in the day it was yo MTV Raps, The Lyricist lounge show,, and Arsenio Hall show where rappers could jump on the mic and spit. There needs to be a platform where rappers can just show off talent in front of their peers.
Word
When is 2021 and they still talking about Em after 20+ years. King Marshall 🔥👑🐏
Pretty much combine lyrical miracle with coke rap and you'll go far in hip-hop. Ransom definitely in that category.
Today hip hop is global because of lyrical miracle... Period... People from around the globe took interest in hip hop bcoz you can say intelligent stuff through hip hop... Metaphors, double 's and triple's, wordplays, word bending, multi syllable rhyming
There's always gonna be that one dweeb in India searching through Eminem videos trying to teach us stuff about our culture 🤦🏾♂️
@@balle733 your culture say thug this thug that ...thug life is not your culture, wearing bandana is not your culture, still we say nothing🤡🙏🏾 search it and educate yourself.. before speaking your stupid and ignorant mind out
@@balle733 ur racist
@rationality skepticism don’t tell me what to do. Keyboard gangster
Indian hiphop is 90% lyrical miracle no wonder you love it
Hold up, anyone that says canibus is a "lyrical miracle " rapper doesn't listen to canibus and if he does he doesn't know shit.
"I dont wanna hear Chemistry in rap" ... The WU definitely had these dudes lost talking bout Protons Electrons Always Cause Explosions bars..... 😂😂😂
“Lyrical miracle” I think I said that in my 1st freestyle 😂
lyrical mirical is rhyming words that mean nothing, Em a lyrical miracle rapper 🤪😂😂 there talking shit cos em has no filter everything means somthing, em is all lanes combined into 1
At the end of the day it’s all “ART” show ya creative skills and imagination
Ransom never heard darkness 😪
The best rappers have range. Why keep trying to fit some of them in a box
Eminem was lyrical miracle, story teller (fictional and non fictional), funny rapper, depressing song rapper, broke as f raper, trolling celeb rapper lmao Eminem did whatever the f he wanted and did it at the highest level
Then you have someone like Logic who can be seen as lyrical miracle but his biggest song was about depression/ suicide etc
Enjoy all the forms!!!
Rappers use big words but don't be saying much , they overcompensate for the music they had to rush, instead of creation ways to convey what they feel as such, they try to overcomplicate through their lyrics and that's a crutch, clutching your notepad , you're so mad that you pretend,..you spit the most far out s*** that you can pen, but when you try to sound smart without substance in your art, you're just as bad as the swagged out rappers that you condemn" - Locksmith
its not what u say but how u say it.....rap is expression........Biggie smalls and pac, Nas, kdot, cole, lupe, ice cube and Em are lyrical miracle....metaphorical
'I bomb atomically, Socrates philosophies and hypothesis can't define how I be dropping these mockeries/ lyrically perform armed robbery, flee with the lottery, possibly they spotted me/ battle scarred Shogun, explosion when my pen hits, tremendous, ultra violet shine, blind forensics....' lyrical miracle verse from one of the most lyrical miracle songs and groups of all time = DOPE!
Bruh that the example I always use when people try to use this argument
Em says complex stuff though
The anti “lyrical miracle” argument is hypocritical garbage 100%. These same guys talking about how it doesn’t matter exist are the same ones shooting and killing ten thousand people per album while being the biggest drug lord the world has ever scene.
Gtfoh
Prime Canibus would smoke every rapper in this video effortlessly. You ask any of them to battle prime Canibus and they'd all say nah you buggin.
Nah
True
Eh idk. Ima have to disagree. Back then you didnt battle as long as you do now. So the effort now is more and its built different and bis is cut from the cloth of battling
Of course he would. None of these guys have written a single dope song in their lives.
100%. His pen was different. Nobody was fucking with him lyrically.
Lyrical miracles and mumble rappers are in the same boat to me, just on far opposite ends of the hip hop spectrum. The Goats find that balance.
define lyrical miracles
Facts! The best rappers of all time are the ones that master the appeal of lyrical miracle rap and mumble rap. They got the skill of a miracle rapper, but the musical and cultural understanding of a "mumble" rapper i.e they know what people actually wanna hear. Best artist for this characterization is lil Wayne
This is similar to how I look at it but not exactly. Most lyrical miracle rappers are absolutely terrible at making music, same as mumble rappers.
@@DCMFR yeah I'm actually using mumble rap generally, I'm actually just referring to artists that aren't really lyrical and more so rap to adhere to mainstream trends and appeal. In the lyrical miracle side of hip hop they lazily call this type of rap mumble rap so i was agreeing. I was thinking of artists like lil baby Lil tjay Lil Durk who imo acc make great music
It's art, it depends on what you take from it and how it resonates with you. I dig and appreciate lyrical miracle from a creative standpoint....Supreme Clientele is one of my favourite albums and that's pretty much Ghostface taking a bunch of words, throwing them at the paper and then going in recording them where they fell. Still, it's artistic, creative and displays penmanship on another level, because it's more than just what's written, it's how it's presented by the artist/ MC.
This is exactly why i think rakim is the goat he was rapping his ass off but still be saying shit in most of his joints which very few rappers can do that
The funny thing is these guys never realised that Canubis was woke 👁 asf he talked about the matrix and people still sleeping he said it in the sing welcome to “channel zero” if they knew what he talked about they would have their twigs blown 😆😆😆👁
Nah but can we talk about Das EFX because Ransom said they wasn’t saying nothing and I kinda feel like that was purposely their whole point in a way…..and Das EFX is fire 🔥
love Das Efx
Everybody keep saying DaBaby is a dope rapper but I don’t hear no lyrical shit in his lyrics. Can someone please explain this me? Am I missing something?
I think the bar has been lowered so in the age of mumble rappers DaBaby is one of the few that can actually put lyrics together and flow on a beat in a coherent and cohesive way. Now whether he make the same song over and over again is a different topic but if it ain’t broke don’t fix it I guessss… 😂
So a person like Pusha T,y’all just keep him in the coke rap lane? Even though he’s nice with it.
I agree with Math, you cant put Em in just lyrical miracle category, the man had so much storytelling songs , he was sayin shit on a lot of albums . Yeah, lately he have been more into lyrical miracle but i mean he is 20+ in the game , i think thats normal thing to do now , he already paint the canvas , as royce would say - he checked all the boxes hah lol Shout out to Math , doing huge for culture with this interviews !
30k watching this because you mention #Eminem and others are Ransom and staff family`s
I’m a big fan of Ransom and I’m from Atlanta. I bring up his name anytime people bring up the subject of dope lyricists.
As long as it’s dope…
What if you just love to rap/be a lyricist and you haven’t been through a whole lotta drama or craziness in your life 🤷🏾♂️
You make whatever your vision of yourself and your life is and that’s that. If you saying something relevant, conscious, or just having fun. A lotta music, hot music, wouldn’t exist if everybody thought the same way and did/talked about the same 💩
I'm tired of "reality" rap a 10 year old could do that in his sleep
Can I bus has plenty of real songs especially later in his career that y'all never attempted to listen to. It's irritating hearing a lot of your brother's say things that are 100% incorrect. And this ain't the first time y'all be having a lot of rappers f***** up
There's mad generalizations in these comments about who does and doesn't listen to Eminem 🙄 That shit gotta stop fr. If his music doesn't suit you then cool, but *PLEASE* stop trying to speak for entire demographics or reducing his culturally-diverse, global audience to a single stereotype. It's 2021. We should have evolved beyond this kind of thinking by now, smh
We should have, but with social media we devolved, or at least that's how it looks.
@@Dezzyyx Unfortunately, I think you're right
Ransom last 5 tapes are fire. Se7en is dope!
Lyrical miracle is the best rapping... always has been 💯
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Yep and always will be! Lyrical miracle raps shows creativity. And it's like you on some super mc shit! It's like when canibus said " I will rip you, my metaphor combat will split you/ into powder like Chrystals so I can sniff you...or Eminem saying I walked into a gunfight with a knife to kill you/ and cut you so fast when your blood spilled it's still blue/ I'll hang you til you dangle and rearrange you/then pull you apart from both ankles.. I like lyrical miracle rap cuz I like to be entertained.
@@dolo6149 i totally agree, its entertaining, like a movie or something and they have these crazy powers
@@MrSarov facts. If I want reality,I'll look out my window. I think the fantasy part is the reason super hero films are so popular. Now imagine a person using only words and is able to make you see with your minds eye these impossible feats! And on top of that,it sounds good to the ears
That’s because you live with your parents in the suburbs and can’t relate to real hip hop with a message.
Canibus did that for shock value...he clearly was a master of both lyrical miracle and street shit ...2nd round k.o showed that....it was all direct fire at LL
hes wrong just cause YOU don’t personally feel connected to that type of music doesnt mean anything its all subjective millions of other people do
It don’t matter how many bars you got ,, if you can’t make a song we want to play‼️ that’s for all y’all fav battle rappers who think they gods. Twitter got y’all head too big !
You spitting some truth
But battling has nothing to do with song making. And that’s what we want to hear from battlers. BARS. So I think this whole discussion in this video is some bullshit honestly
I think battlers are good at what they do. I don't listen to regular rap much
If you can’t comprehend bars just say that lol
So y’all sayin ya fav battle rappers don’t wanna be world wide?? They wanna be notice. Idc what you say. That’s the whole point of making music or bars for the MOST PPL TO HEAR EM. And if they can’t make a hit song with bars something WRONG !
Someone growing up getting the 80s and 90s I can say this is why hip-hop has become more like fast food rather than good food. Judging quality on the concrete particulars rather than the skills and creativity i.e. mindbending metaphors similes and punchlines. Quality down ease use up.
Say it louder
Exactly. The whole golden era was full of lyrical miracle spirituality and we couldn’t get enough!!😂
Bro this best content on the net rappers talking bout rapping
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Im not big on the lyrical miracle…. But im big on story telling rappers. I dig rappers who can articulate their stories into bars to where we can understand it. Rj payne, eminem, jay z, 2pac/big, benny,
Keep doing what u your do love this
It's funny to hear y'all talk about Canibus and there ain't a rapper president that's approaching him. I know the mental gymnastics you go through to make yourself believe you're something that you're not but y'all really ain't
A lyrical miracle rapper in my opinion is a person that's insanely good at rhyming but the content they're rapping about is about the rap itself and nothing else " Im ripping it and tipping it and twisting it while lifting shit, a hooligan with a tool again who is you again I spit through you and him" but a lot of people mislabel rappers that are actually rapping about something as lyrical miracle rappers simply because they get distracted by the constant word acrobats and/or rap speed that they actually don't know how to listen to what is being said because they lack the ability to digest it as a full package.
No MIRRICAL spirituall are not good at ryme scheme at all
No hopsin is so basic in ryme skills
Im from ohio, you aint lyin ohio is wild! Found my older brother's cassette tapes of bone thugs and krs1. And thats kinda how i was introduced dope rap shit
I love both Sean Price and Fu Schnickens. Fu-Shnickens and Das EFX and nowhere near lyrical miracle, this genre of hip hop was started by eminem. every lyrical miracle rapper is eminem copy
Eminem was influenced by Das EFX and Fu-Shnickens. He named them in his Rock and Roll Hall of Fame speech.
i'm kinda tired of niggas dissing people who put thought into their lyrics. Like nah, you joke on it because you really don't understand what those lyricists are saying. Just say you aren't thinking on a high enough frequency to get it. And they always make it seem like they can do it too if they really wanted to but never do it. Stop the Cannibus disrespect because that nigga was nice, Em is nice, King Los is nice, Doom was nice. Just because these guys reference things in their lyrics that are beyond the corner of your block does not mean they have no meaning behind them. Go out and live life, try new shit, open your mind and then you can start to understand what these lyricists are saying. But nah they rather listen to the same old recycled gun and drug bars. Like nah, anyone can do that which is why there are more of those rappers
There is no such thing as "lyrical miracle". Its as empty a criticism as "mumble rap". People who use highly complex lyrical ability aren't saying "random things" like how people like to say.
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Sorry off topic lol. Great comvo tho
Da Baby proved to me, that he can rap rap, when he did that track with J Cole
I WOKE UP FOR SOME MONNNAYYYE!
That gas/Jiffy Lube line didn't make sense to me though 😂 Jiffy Lubes I went to only deal with oil changes.
@@mroberts4057 the line was a little bit of a stretch, but it wasn't a bad line. He could've been completely off
Bro Da baby ain't no lyrical mirical rappers 🤣 we are talking aboit Daylyt, King los , Mickey facts , Royce etc ...not Da Baby
@@YoungMesrine trust i get that
Los would body Paul imo
Los would body Ransom
Not too many MCs wouldn't get bodied by Los
Your revisiting this canibus thing and your recollection is not accurate we ALL thought canibus was going down as the best rapper ever before he dropped that album
"At a thousand degrees Celsius I make mc's melt
Fuck ya rap label I appear courtesy of myself"
Bis was blacking tf out then he dropped that album and everybody was disappointed but he had too many verses out to not give him his proper respect
Amen
Ransom got the definition correct
Imagine these people having careers but still talking about other careers 😂🤦🏽♂️
?But all them street/cocaine/gangster rappers really shooting banging and selling all that weight right 🤣
Lyrical miracle is just for the love of words, Its the equivalent of abstract painting for the love of painting, compared to painting a landscape or a portrait.
Project Blowed is the epitome of Lyrical Miracle
I like lyrical miracle. Sometimes it’s fun just to marvel at someone’s mastery of
technique. But it’s best if you can drop some real shit in your music. Canibus can get a bit esoteric but shit he rapped about in 98 is relevant now.
“And, oh yeah
To all them rap ass rappers wit ya half assed rhymes talkin bout how
Much you get high, how much weed you smoke and that crazy space shit
That don't even make no sense
Don't ever speak to me when you see me, knowaimsaying? Word. -Prodigy.
I always thought that was aimed at “lyrical miracle” Keith Murray... That’s one example I can think of in HipHop where the distinction can be seen/heard.
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It was. And they went on to have a fist-fight over it.
IMO, Keith Murray was the ultimate “lyrical miracle” guy. I wasn’t a fan of his style.
Respectfully disagree with u on that for the simple fact he did make words up, but he was kickin lyrics crazy. Murray substance was official and I do understand why Prodigy dissed him, but even BIG had super respect for Murray and his craft.
Simp Down Thats fair.
@@simpdown1404 idk, Prodigy got Murray with that U Ain't A Killa freestyle
@@upclosenpersonal100 That’s definitely arguable, but they both went crazy on the “I Shot Ya” remix and Murray’s verse was pretty coherent on that record as well the rest of his catalog
Nah Eminem and Royce are
I personally love lyrical miracle raps! It shows creativity. It's almost like the mc is making himself out to be a super hero. Which is why the early lyricists didn't go by their real name but a tag name. Because their tag name was their alter ego. If I want something that's only grounded in reality,I can look outside my window. I think rappers who don't like the lyrical miracle rappers don't like it because they can't compete. I guess rakim, the father of modern day rap is a lyrical miracle rapper then. The hyperbole of rap was to show that you wasn't the average man on any level. And plus the so called reality rap is what got these kids going astray. We need more lyrical miracle rappers and not a bunch of fake thugs on the mic leading the culture astray with bullshit while they are getting shake down by the real thugs in their entourage
There’s nothing “creative” about rhyming a bunch of words together and putting them in a song. At the end of the day, you’re just a rhyme dictionary.
If you're forcing rappers to do multi syllable rhymes then you're gonna get shitty bars like "I'm more crazy than a short lady who give birth to 84 babies"
@@凍結數據 it's not just about rhyming a bunch of words Sherlock. It has to make sense also. It shows creativity.
@@Iloveyou-dz7mq I don't want to force rappers to do multis. My post was saying that there is a place in hip-hop for that style. I just like mcs that put thought into their rhymes.
@@dolo6149 That’s what I just said!
Eminem can do all kinds of rap
Eminem Da GOAT still in 2021. I`m into real rap with stories, sack these clowns, who even are these guys.
Ransom can outbar Em everyday.
@@insayno Who? Never heard of him...
Typical Eminem fan. They know nothing about hip hop and don’t support anything outside of Eminem.
@@insayno I'm not even a big Em fan, but that's just cap.
@@cperkins5050 I treat my body like a temple, only let good stuff in my ears. I've dabbled but I relate to Em more.
Das Efx was fucking with word play. Thats lyricist shit! Soapbox Willie said that! Factz! Hophop will never cease to elevate into many levels.
Rapper az is not a miracle rapper
It’s about your IMAGINATION. When Nas said “When I was 12 I went to hell for snuffing Jesus”, the whole game froze. Why?? Because of the strength of his CREATIVITY. It doesn’t have to be real. Plus, Canibus 💯percent wrote Free’s verse. Stop hating on that man for using a laptop. SMH
Canibus also wrote for A+.
I say this about my singing and freestyling. I tell people. It’s all just doing it with repetition. Put the hours in. People say that I’m naturally talented. No I put the time in and learned the skills I have.
The ability to rap is a talent, it's just like anybody can learn the skill of basketball but some people are talented or gifted in basketball. A talent is when you have a natural aptitude or natural skill for something. Some people have a talent for writing so just because anyone can learn how to doing something doesn't mean people can't be talented at it. Nothing in of itself is a talent or skill. Anybody can learn to be skillful but to be talented you have to be born with said talent. Not everybody can be a Langston Hughs, MFDOOM, Prince, etc.
To be gifted in something is similar to being talented however being gifted is really in terms of academic things such are the language arts while being talented is in terms of creative things such as creative writing. Gifted also can reference to high levels of potential whereas talented can also refer to current high level of ability. In the art world talent people have what they call an eye for art. They have an ability to see something that others don't when creating art. For speakers it's called the gift of gab and for writers the ability of honeyed words.
Das EFX wasnt saying shit?? STOP