It's not even just that he's wracked with grief that all his friends have died. He let them die *specifically* so he could get back to Penelope... And as far as he knows now, he can't even do that. All his friends died *FOR NOTHING.*
I know this seems cold, but he gets no pity from me. In my eyes, he murdered Astyanax and the crew. Zeus was just the weapon, and Eurylochus was the murder weapon for those six men. Instead of sending him to Ogygia, Zeus should've sent his ass back to the Underworld to be stuck listening to the last thoughts of the men he betrayed. If I were on Ogygia at that part of the song, I honestly feel like I'd shout "DO A FLIP!". His evil actions have caused me to despise him.
@@disableddragonborn Which evil actions, I'm curious? Killing the newborn was literally ordered by the Gods. If he refused, his family would be killed. Blinding the cyclops was, at the time, the only way to save his crew without killing the cyclops. Killing the sirens how he did was definitely cruel, but I'd hesitate to use the word "evil" for it, considering they were planning to murder and eat the crew. Sacrificing six men to Scylla for passage was awful, but the alternative was sailing through the open ocean and all of them being killed by Poseidon.
When Odysseus is at the ledge, he keeps telling Calypso “let me close my eyes.” In the second song, Just a Man, he says “close your eyes and spare yourself the view” to Astyanax just before dropping him from the walls of Troy, and now he wants to close his eyes at the edge of this cliff. He wants to spare himself the view.
Jorge is so evil for not only calling back to Open Arms but The Underworld and Luck Runs Out too, the three most heartbreaking songs in the whole musical! The man's determined to break us before the final saga lol
For me, it hurt more hearing Eurylochus in the background than the other voices because it really hits that he’s gone now. No more Eurylochus in the Odyssey, Ody is truly alone now. He’s no longer a monster, he’s no longer a Captain, he’s now simply “Just a Man”
Reminder of these translations of lines from the odessey about this situation. “In the nights, true, / he’d sleep with her in the arching cave - he had no choice - / unwilling lover alongside lover all too willing” "Calypso is singing with her “breathtaking voice” and weaving at her loom while Odysseus “sat on a headland, weeping there as always, / wrenching his heart with sobs and groans and anguish, / gazing out over the barren sea through blinding tears” It is shockingly explicit in what it is, for the time period and culture. Typically, only women would be so casually subjugated this way. What occurs between the time skip here is, of course, left to interpretation, but where the situation with circe which had its simmiliarities but was very clearly changed, this is left more vague. Regardless, Ody has suffered these 7 years, and the things calypso says, finding amusement in his denial, using the words of eury, his mother and polities. Calling him ody, saying he'll stay in her heart, and open arms respectivly (she did after all mention he speaks in his sleep), the reasons ody should live centered around her own feelings, how it would be worse if ody died &for her*. They show this. Calypso is terribly lonely, and she will use ody to sate that. That much, hasnt changed.
@@aadityayanamandra8846she is not a person. She is a nymph/goddess cursed to live alone on that island and is helping Odysseus in the only way she knows how.
@@stiletteleray1326 No clue how you define person, but she definitely is one. She's NOT stuck on the island, that is a misconception that came about in the last century and was popularized by the percy jackson books. The original story literally has her living there with handmaidens and servants. Ogygia is her home. Yeah, perhaps she's helping Odysseus in the best way she knows, but she's also chosen to ignore his begging her to stop for SEVEN YEARS. That's bad person shit.
@@AquaticDot Do you have the source for where he said this?? because as far as I'm concerned Jorge might just not want to depict it happening since its very sensitive
@@maverickfleorlouis1482he explicitly stated that Circe and Ody do not have relations and lyrics in the next saga seem to imply Calypso and Ody also never did. But we’ll have to wait for the official release for that confirmation. Cutting it just makes sense if he cut Circe’s.
I JUST REALIZED “Let me close my eyes” is a nod to “Keep your eyes open” in Keep Your Friends Close Edit: AND ALSO THE INFANT! “Close your eyes and spare yourself the view.” Which makes it extra sad because we know why he said that to the infant.
A good sign she’s either lonely or doesn’t think normally is the fact she jumped to “Love of my life” for a man she literally thought was dead a little bit ago.
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Athena is shocked at what happened to Odysseus, that isn't her teachings in a sense, she's seeing how events changed Odysseus, and after "no longer you" He twisted her teachings along with the new lesson ruthlessness is mercy
Technically, Calypso is a titan, she helped her father (either Oceanus or Atlas, I subscribe to the idea of it being Atlas) in the war against the gods, so they banished her to Ogygia.
Even tho i loved Calypso's song, i honestly despise her. She basically abused Ody for 7 years straight to the point he started wishing on his own death, and all because she felt lonely Ew
@@user-qf8he7qd7f Well, she didn't seem like a good "person" for me still. She was talking about herself, her needs, how her life was so much better after he arrived on the island, while Ody was talking about his suffering and how he wanted to die. As if she wasn't listening to anything he was saying. She still didn't agknowledge her wrongs and obviously still wanted to keep him there agaisnt his will, that's why he called for Athena. Calypso's version in Epic is still awful to me.
@@user-qf8he7qd7f Like i said, her being lonely doesn't justify "kinapping and SA'ing" someone. I would feel awful if the only other person i saw in a while didn't want my company and sat in the beach everyday crying saying how much he want's to leave. Especially because Calypso knows he has a family and still chose to keep him trapped. She is terrible, even in Epic's version.
@@ariadnaalmeida In "Epic: The Musical," it's doubtful that she SA him, as Circe's part was altered, and likely so was hers. On the subject of Circe, she is arguably as flawed as Calypso, yet she is widely adored. Did you address her negative traits in the Circe saga, or just those of Calypso here and now? Please accept my apologies if I seem rude or aggressive; that is certainly not my intention.
Calypso has her own curse. She was cursed to fall in love with any man that ends up on her island. Not syaing that she is wonderful but imagine being a god that lives forever and falls completely in love with mortal men who will age and die in.front.if her, only for the cycle to repeat with the next one. No womder shes a bit mad.
In regular Greek mythos she is cursed but not to fall in love with any man that comes to her isle, she is just cursed to be stuck on her island forever, same reason tho, as punishment for being the child of a titan, Atlas or Oceanus depending, and supporting him in the first war against the Olympians. In some versions she has control over whether or not people can find her island but in most she does not, and it's implied Zeus intentionally had Odysseus wash up on her isle to be trapped there forever and only sent Hermes to tell Calypso to release her because of Athena, so very close to Epic canon. I don't think Jorge has been explicit about how her island works but I would assume it's like in the Odyssey? Hope he says something at some point because I'm dying to know every detail of the Epic canon lol
It's not even just that he's wracked with grief that all his friends have died. He let them die *specifically* so he could get back to Penelope... And as far as he knows now, he can't even do that. All his friends died *FOR NOTHING.*
Remember them.. we are not to let them diee in vain 🎶
Oh a good, a reason I hadn't thought about to be even sadder at the ending! 😅
I know this seems cold, but he gets no pity from me. In my eyes, he murdered Astyanax and the crew. Zeus was just the weapon, and Eurylochus was the murder weapon for those six men. Instead of sending him to Ogygia, Zeus should've sent his ass back to the Underworld to be stuck listening to the last thoughts of the men he betrayed. If I were on Ogygia at that part of the song, I honestly feel like I'd shout "DO A FLIP!". His evil actions have caused me to despise him.
@@disableddragonborn Which evil actions, I'm curious?
Killing the newborn was literally ordered by the Gods. If he refused, his family would be killed.
Blinding the cyclops was, at the time, the only way to save his crew without killing the cyclops.
Killing the sirens how he did was definitely cruel, but I'd hesitate to use the word "evil" for it, considering they were planning to murder and eat the crew.
Sacrificing six men to Scylla for passage was awful, but the alternative was sailing through the open ocean and all of them being killed by Poseidon.
@@disableddragonborn except he didn't kill Telemachus, that's his son. The babys name was Astyanax
When Odysseus is at the ledge, he keeps telling Calypso “let me close my eyes.” In the second song, Just a Man, he says “close your eyes and spare yourself the view” to Astyanax just before dropping him from the walls of Troy, and now he wants to close his eyes at the edge of this cliff.
He wants to spare himself the view.
Calypso in PJO: My hero, i am cursed
Calypso in EPIC: My hero, i AM the curse
Jorge is so evil for not only calling back to Open Arms but The Underworld and Luck Runs Out too, the three most heartbreaking songs in the whole musical! The man's determined to break us before the final saga lol
the next one ain't the final yet
@@elenjulia8271 I know, I just meant that he wanted to have us fully beat down before Saga 9 haha
For me, it hurt more hearing Eurylochus in the background than the other voices because it really hits that he’s gone now. No more Eurylochus in the Odyssey, Ody is truly alone now. He’s no longer a monster, he’s no longer a Captain, he’s now simply “Just a Man”
It's simultaniously hilarious and devestating watching each reactor get to the Polites/Eurylochus/Anticlea part and immediately going into denial
Literally my favorite part of every react to this saga 😂
Reminder of these translations of lines from the odessey about this situation.
“In the nights, true, / he’d sleep with her in the arching cave - he had no choice - / unwilling lover alongside lover all too willing”
"Calypso is singing with her “breathtaking voice” and weaving at her loom while Odysseus “sat on a headland, weeping there as always, / wrenching his heart with sobs and groans and anguish, / gazing out over the barren sea through blinding tears”
It is shockingly explicit in what it is, for the time period and culture. Typically, only women would be so casually subjugated this way. What occurs between the time skip here is, of course, left to interpretation, but where the situation with circe which had its simmiliarities but was very clearly changed, this is left more vague. Regardless, Ody has suffered these 7 years, and the things calypso says, finding amusement in his denial, using the words of eury, his mother and polities. Calling him ody, saying he'll stay in her heart, and open arms respectivly (she did after all mention he speaks in his sleep), the reasons ody should live centered around her own feelings, how it would be worse if ody died &for her*. They show this. Calypso is terribly lonely, and she will use ody to sate that. That much, hasnt changed.
It is worth noting that while Calypso's explicit SA is cut in EPIC, all of what these passages say about her is still true. She's a disgusting person
@@aadityayanamandra8846well goddess person isnt exactly the best choice for describing a goddess/immortal in greek mythology
@@aadityayanamandra8846Considering it's 'Epic: The Musical', her portrayal in this version is likely not as negative.
@@aadityayanamandra8846she is not a person. She is a nymph/goddess cursed to live alone on that island and is helping Odysseus in the only way she knows how.
@@stiletteleray1326 No clue how you define person, but she definitely is one.
She's NOT stuck on the island, that is a misconception that came about in the last century and was popularized by the percy jackson books. The original story literally has her living there with handmaidens and servants. Ogygia is her home.
Yeah, perhaps she's helping Odysseus in the best way she knows, but she's also chosen to ignore his begging her to stop for SEVEN YEARS. That's bad person shit.
"Jorge, how BLOODY DARE YOU???" He's an evil musical mastermind lol
Not many people know but canonically in the Odyssey, Calypso S.A.'d him for those seven years. So the abuse combined with his grief resulted in that
While absolutely true for the Odyssey, Jorge has confirmed that Calypso in Epic does not do this. Just to clarify on that point.
@@AquaticDot Do you have the source for where he said this?? because as far as I'm concerned Jorge might just not want to depict it happening since its very sensitive
@@maverickfleorlouis1482he explicitly stated that Circe and Ody do not have relations and lyrics in the next saga seem to imply Calypso and Ody also never did. But we’ll have to wait for the official release for that confirmation. Cutting it just makes sense if he cut Circe’s.
I personally love the pause and analysis format and giving your thoughts throughout
I JUST REALIZED “Let me close my eyes” is a nod to “Keep your eyes open” in Keep Your Friends Close
Edit: AND ALSO THE INFANT! “Close your eyes and spare yourself the view.” Which makes it extra sad because we know why he said that to the infant.
A good sign she’s either lonely or doesn’t think normally is the fact she jumped to “Love of my life” for a man she literally thought was dead a little bit ago.
Her and every man in a fairy tale XD She and the princes in Snow White and Sleeping Beauty would have a lot to talk about
All of the deaths are a dual issue. It’s never any one person’s fault. All of it is one thing building on another.
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Athena is shocked at what happened to Odysseus, that isn't her teachings in a sense, she's seeing how events changed Odysseus, and after "no longer you" He twisted her teachings along with the new lesson ruthlessness is mercy
I love reacts to this song because there's so much going on! So many feelings 😭
None of us expected the song to go this way. 😆
12:02 My exact reaction when I first listened to this part. Except it was Eurylochus that upset me.
Technically, Calypso is a titan, she helped her father (either Oceanus or Atlas, I subscribe to the idea of it being Atlas) in the war against the gods, so they banished her to Ogygia.
Even tho i loved Calypso's song, i honestly despise her. She basically abused Ody for 7 years straight to the point he started wishing on his own death, and all because she felt lonely
Ew
Given that this is a different canon, she's likely not as terrible.
@@user-qf8he7qd7f Well, she didn't seem like a good "person" for me still. She was talking about herself, her needs, how her life was so much better after he arrived on the island, while Ody was talking about his suffering and how he wanted to die. As if she wasn't listening to anything he was saying. She still didn't agknowledge her wrongs and obviously still wanted to keep him there agaisnt his will, that's why he called for Athena.
Calypso's version in Epic is still awful to me.
@ariadnaalmeida well if you were trapped on the island alone for who knows how long years, would you let anyone ever leave and be alone again?
@@user-qf8he7qd7f Like i said, her being lonely doesn't justify "kinapping and SA'ing" someone. I would feel awful if the only other person i saw in a while didn't want my company and sat in the beach everyday crying saying how much he want's to leave. Especially because Calypso knows he has a family and still chose to keep him trapped. She is terrible, even in Epic's version.
@@ariadnaalmeida In "Epic: The Musical," it's doubtful that she SA him, as Circe's part was altered, and likely so was hers. On the subject of Circe, she is arguably as flawed as Calypso, yet she is widely adored. Did you address her negative traits in the Circe saga, or just those of Calypso here and now? Please accept my apologies if I seem rude or aggressive; that is certainly not my intention.
3:32 You skipped "Scylla", but close.
Calypso has her own curse. She was cursed to fall in love with any man that ends up on her island. Not syaing that she is wonderful but imagine being a god that lives forever and falls completely in love with mortal men who will age and die in.front.if her, only for the cycle to repeat with the next one. No womder shes a bit mad.
Unfortunately that’s only canon to the Percy Jackson version, not Epic :(
That's a Rick Riordan original in the Odyssey proper she's just a serial rapist
In regular Greek mythos she is cursed but not to fall in love with any man that comes to her isle, she is just cursed to be stuck on her island forever, same reason tho, as punishment for being the child of a titan, Atlas or Oceanus depending, and supporting him in the first war against the Olympians. In some versions she has control over whether or not people can find her island but in most she does not, and it's implied Zeus intentionally had Odysseus wash up on her isle to be trapped there forever and only sent Hermes to tell Calypso to release her because of Athena, so very close to Epic canon. I don't think Jorge has been explicit about how her island works but I would assume it's like in the Odyssey? Hope he says something at some point because I'm dying to know every detail of the Epic canon lol