2:1 Clan Boss Speed Meta/Turn Meter Explained feat. DeadwoodJedi I Raid Shadow Legends
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- Now that I showed proof of concept in the last video, let's take our first step into this topic and see how this can change the game for you!
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Check out DeadwoodJedi's video to learn how to use the speed calculator in detail as well as make this team affinity friendly! ua-cam.com/video/EtF4K5htj_8/v-deo.html
I have the same exact team that you showed with Tower in the last video except I have bad el and razin and the same exact speed you have but my skull crusher keeps not getting his counter-attack up before the next Stun and I can't figure it out an same masteries
Can I use Krisk instead of dutches?
@@b3astman88 you will loose spd aura.
Hi Murderinc thanks. I’ve been a little disappointed of the game lately . But you came up with this!! Awesome great job I have the team but altan should I user sentinel sepulcher instead Altan ?
@@philipdieckhoner4312 This is a speed comp not counter attack.
I was getting flashbacks of being sent out on a mission in Fallout 4 when Deadwood came on camera :D great video guys!
thats exactly what it reminded me of lol!
A chart with speed numbers (with and without speed lead) would be the most useful thing.
i can do this good idea
Insane!
Now we need a budget team lol
High Katun and buff extender, maybe
Sandlashed surviver ( dont want to say Valerie :) ). Whats really cool is you can make use of Stag Knight or Lightsworn ( or other champs that dont have it on A1) for Attack down i think. because they will cycle through their turns faster
@@janeznovak9454 Stag Knight in Reflex Set? :]
@@janeznovak9454 high katun also increases turn meter so i dont think she is viable. it will disrupt the synergy
@@nikolakarapejevski DeadwoodJedi calculator actually takes that into account aswell, just combinations are so many its hard to come up with one that works for you.
@@nikolakarapejevski then MI makes a gid with her using this meta, and Jedis calculator also knows what the spd boost can do *oof*
I don’t think I’ll ever have the gear or silver to make this work but I’m astonished by the brilliant minds that a video game like this have revealed lmao
Surely we will need more examples but overall thought process and the will to share it with the
Raid community, priceless - thx a lot!
So glad you haven't been lured away by cartoon, smurf-based games like Calibria and dragon champions.
Lol this didn't age well
Thank you very much Murder & Jedi. great thinking , great work , you saved so many ppl like me who dont have a counterattack champion. Dont have dutchess also, but i made a team around mashalled without speed aura, added 19% speed to everyone and its amazing to see this works !
There are a lot of smart people who play these types of games and work out things to get a huge advantage. What is so cool about all the people involved with this project is how willing they are to share with the community their discoveries. Really cool, Murder and D-Jedi and everyone else. Like most I am still kinda lost, but obviously there is a plan so I'm in for the ride...weeeeee! :P
I am officially stopping at minute 2:01 to get ready for what comes next. You did well in luring us i'll give you that
can’t wait for the counter vid!! thanks again man always love the content you come up with 🙌
MurderInc and other amazing people you have mentioned - you're truly the best players. Because the best isn't the one who has the biggest roster or certainly not the one who comes 1st in plat. Best players are those who explore game's deepest secrets and comes up with brilliant idea how to make gameplay even more exciting. High five. I am very interested about details how this works in details but I hope I'll be able to figure it from calulcator
Deadwood Jedi is like the Neil Degrasse Tyson of Raid shadow legends
Waiting for the follow up video for that insane one key! I have all those champs let’s goooo
You have the best Raid video guides out there now, thank you for all your tips, I used your unkillable comp and it helped me a lot, now with this 2:1 speed comp, I know my damage will even better. Thanks again
So if I want to resume what you need to make it works : Lead Speed 19% - Speed Buff 30% - 234(speed buffer) / 231 (Buff Def/Ally prot) / 208 / 192 / 177. am I missing something ? Great work guys !!!
I'm amazed at your great work and dedication. I don't have the brains to even understand what you explained but if I have the champions on your videos I always replicate your comps and always work. To other players why try to fried your brain cells just do what I do ...COPY & PASTE...LOL. Oh! and don't just dislike the video because your brain can't understand what's going on... Instead appreciate all the hard work all these guys are putting into this game. Murderinc thanks and keep up with the great work.
Hi Murderinc, I started watching your videos since a week and so far they are amazing great content data mining research, loving it. To be perfect I would suggest when you present a team for clan boss or other to explain the role of each champion you use and at least 3 replacement if possible to help your viewers more to be able to replicate as close as possible what you do. Thx so much keep going
I wont lie at the beginning of this video i was about to comment about using valkyrie. Lol thats sweet.
I've been running a Duchess Ma'Shalled speed comp for ages not speed tuned (Duchess lead, Ma'Shalled, Sepulcher, Rhazin, Occult Brawler). If only I had realized just how powerful it could have been with few speed tweaks lol. But this also explains why even not correctly speed tuned why it seemed to do unexpectedly high damage.
Thanks MI and DWJ! awesome work
I feel like there's so much time spent on how amazing this discovery is and thanking all these smart people involved, but after watching this and the previous one I still have no idea what the discovery even is. I feel like DeadwoodJedi came close to explaining it, but then got sidetracked about how crazy important and useful it would be without actually explaining what it is. So after watching this and the last video I still don't get what the big deal is. Like okay we calculated the clan boss' speed? Hasn't this been known for a long time?
So what you mean is you don't understand :) this has nothing to do with calculating the ultra nightmare clan boss speed its always been 190. this shows you the TM speed that we now know is 1428 for everything in the game. so enemy speed/1428 = how many speed ticks to fill their turn meter. this lets you do your champions speed/1428 to be able to lap them in any content you want by adjusting your speed accordingly. thanks for the comment!
They found the modifier for speed. So turn meter isn't just a solid line going across. It fills in fragments so knowing the internal modifier for the turn meter makes it an absolute for figuring out turn speed. This is more ground breaking for people making theory comps and calc tools so it's more just a geek out episode
@@MurderIncRaid No, I mean it's never explained. Hinted at, but you never directly explain how speed translates into turn meter, or what 'ticks' are, or what happens when multiple champions fill their turn meters at the same time, or how extra turns like Ma'Shalled interact with it, or why this requires 9 turns to 'sync' (whatever that means), or why these exact speeds are important (Do faster speeds not translate into more turns? Why not?), or why Lore of Steel is bad. I feel like you're relying on an abundance of theorycrafting knowledge as a base to understand the significance of this magic number that I'm guessing a significant part of the community simply doesn't have.
I'm not trying to diminish the work here, clearly a ton of effort, research, and experimentation has gone into this and I have a ton of respect for that and yourself, but I believe you can do a better job of explaining it. Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I suspect I'm not alone in my confusion.
So, as long as my final speed only needs 7 ticks to hit the 1423 counter, I will always get to my second turn before the UN clan boss which needs 7.5?
That’s about 204 speed. After the speed aura and speed buffs, even your draco must be averaging that speed or more to be lapping the CB. Do I have it right?
It sounds more complicated than that.
I'm with you on this, I have no clue what's going on.
I feel blessed to be able to watch this! Gratz!
It was worth the wait!! The results are sick! Make this man a statue please! You're definitly going the right way, please continue!!
so this one only works with ma'shalled due to the 2 turn cd on the speedbuff?( or with a buff extension like sandlashed)
Awesome video! That's insane damage, looking forward to see what sort of a team I can build with the same speed principles
Very very interesting ! What a work from both of you. I'm really impressed !
Btw, I don't have Altan & Tyran, so do you think that Jareg & Steelskull can replace them to get a similar synergy ?
yes that will work fine!
Murderlnc i have a question, Duchess doesn't always cover the stun with debuff block, how did you fix it?
Can't wait to see the other possible team comps!
This should make a serious comeback for the ME + 3PK UK comp. You cycle to UK + Block debuffs every single turn, while adding twice the poisons and twice the WM procs.
Love the generosity toward others efforts, class act Murder!
this is amazing! I just pulled Mashallad, but he's the only one. No brainer to sub in HK and Sepulcher. for the other 2 spots, who do you recommend between Martyr, Rhazin, and Nethril. I'm assuming Martyr but then not sure between the other two. Won't have LS b/c i don't have the LS gear for these speeds. thanks!
Awesome video murder, that is insane
Awesome video, I am looking forward to see more f2p composition (something with Apothecary). Keep up great work!
You keep the game alive, bro.
Hello MurderInc. I am currently playing your 2:1 white whale comb with mashalled-Ixlimor-Sepulcher Sentinel-Aothar-Martyr. Could you possibly give me the exact speed values and rotation that I need so that it runs in the correct order?
It seems to me that she is currently not doing this. Sorry for my not so good english.
very nice vid man as usual and very nice combo man ... the good news that after 15 months of playing almost now i can tell i have from this comb Mashallad so i guess within 3-4 years i may get draco .
Hmm, well I have MaShalled and Dutchess, but not others. Who could be possible replacements? Maybe rhazin, frozen banshee, and jareg?
What are Ma'shalled masteries on this? And i don t have draco but i have BEK instead for poison. Should i speed build him like a draco?
Murder - I keep hearing don't take "Lore of Steel" because it throws off speed tuning. When I heard that I assumed it referred to "Arcane Celerity" because it has a 30% chance to boost speed when debuffs drop, creating RNG unpredictability. However, "Lore of Steel" simply boosts your base bonuses on gear, to include speed. So why is it a problem?
Thank you! Great explanation! how about nightmare boss? will the same setup of speeds would work on that too? or should be adjusted?
it works for both!
@@MurderIncRaid thank you, I don't have drako, tyrant - so would occult brawler and SS work as alternative?
Can you use a siphi instead of dutchess? And what speed would that require?
you are a legend Murderinc :)
There isnt lanakis and vergis in that speed calculator. How can i use them in speed calculator? Can u help me please?
I have all the champs and really close to the speeds What would be the speed for valk? Wanna try the CA! By the way great video!
Unreal as always MI, wondering what the speed of your Valk was, she replaced tyrant, so guessing 231?
what speed does a champ with a 4 turn cd skill needs to run with the white whale, eg. sepulcher sentinel.
Hello Murderinc... Awesome Channel! Do you do account Takeovers for NM CB?
Is the explanation of exactly what the discovery is coming in a future video? The last video you alluded that turn meter was not based on speed alone. This video I learned that your turn meter is 1428 units of something long. But what does any of that mean? What is the turn meter actually based on? How does this work? Thanks.
enemy speed/1428 = X, X = ticks of refill to get a turn. knowing this you can do your champions speed/1428 to get X and compare. if your number is lower than the enemy dungeon/clan boss etc's refill rate you go first. you can build a team around this to go 1-2 or even 3 times before they get 1 turn knowing this. 1428 is the value of the turn meters in the game
@@MurderIncRaid If a full turn is 1428 speed shouldn't it be 1428/enemy speed?
Or did I misunderstand too lol
@@ralphwrecksitt2502 yeah i posted above its both!
lol Murder makes an impossible possible again
thank you and all involved for the info
possible but not really
Love your work Murder
Great one!
Well I got all of that comp except Draco. Would Occult Brawler substitute for Draco?
rhazin is the best replacement for draco outside of venus!
OK. So Apothacary does the 30% spd boost PLUS 15% turn meter. Does that mean you have to account for 285 (15% of 1428) turn meter fill too? (IE gaining X ticks to go x2 speed).
Seems kinda hard to calculate as its every 3 turns where every 2 turns you could calculate it in (2 turns, no turn meter boost, clan boss goes. Next Round: 2 turns PLUS spd boost of 15% = ???, then clan boss goes). Guessing Apothocary eventually throws the x2 turns off? Thanks
since TM % isnt sent to the next round, it just overfills TM's to make them go first. you can use TM as well to make a team like this and keep it tuned! will get into that in detail in a coming video!
@@MurderIncRaid Excellent! Very interested in trying this with the champs I have available. Thx man
Does it make a difference that MaShalled does his speed buff then takes an extra turn, losing a turn of speed buff?
For example if I had Apoth put up his speed buff, he doesn’t take an extra turn, he’ll have speed buff for 2 more actual turns. Does that affect the sync at all since it’s slightly different than MS?
I bet that's why he's the highest speed in this comp
Thomas A. I realized the other thing that makes him necessary is his speed buff is 2 turn cool down, so it’s permanently up
Oh right. I was thinking you talked only about Ma'Shalled, not the whole team :)
Love coming here to escape the insanity of politics, so thank you. You’re a Godsend. 🌹❤️
How do you get your Tyrant to use his HP burn skill on auto? Mine only does it occasionally and Im not sure why.
it doesnt work from 70% void to 50% for some reason. still unclear on reasoning!
@@MurderIncRaid Thanks for responding, love your content! So as long as I get my keys in before 70% it should work then.
Also, would any champ that does the 30% increase speed for two turns on a 3 turn cd work in place of Ma'Shalled for tuning purposes??
I can't say in words how much this is gonna help the player base. Just one thing, try to release the next vdo with CA part within the artifact enhancement event, so that we players can re gear our team and upgrade any artifacts to the max if needed :)
Thx u for the video. However both of my duchess n sepsentinel has lord of steel so i have the exact speed.. Is it ok?
I feel like a lot of great work has been done by you and your guys to find all those numbers and make them all work together but after watching your video, I still don't understand how I could possibly do to improve my CB team, so it's pretty disappointing... And what if we're not in UNM but only in brutal ? I think I should be able to calculate it by myself after watching your video but it doesn't appear to me clearly sadly. Anyways, I'm sure it's the beginning of a new "speed meta", so really good job Murder for finding this. Let's just wait now for other videos to come out to explain more simply and with different champions at different CB difficulties.
subtract all of the speeds by 30 and you have brutal speed :)
I wonder if something similar can be done with Apoth + Seeker?
cant wait for the next video, GG
Good run it looks fun 🔥🔥
@murderinc will his calculator be able to solve making this work with apo as the speed booster? That would be really all we need to make this comp transferable to f2p teams. (With other champs switched out as needed)
Not consistent but I hit 55 mil on unm with Siphi, Valk, Draco, Altan, and Lanakis. Averages around 41-45 mil
i did try and failed.. i used duchess/mashalled/tyrell/tyrant/draco. the speed is the same. the masteries are the same. the gears are not. i copied exactly your move but didnt work out.. maybe i dont have altan.. maybe i dont have gears like you have... so i m putting back my team setup back to 3 UNM... thx u.. maybe you can correct me... @murderinc
Does these speeds work for any team. Is there any flexibility for the speeds
I wonder if it's possible to make the Apo go 3 times every 2 turns of other champions and at the same time make the sepulcher go 4:3 for the Cb stun
Thanks for the tips. Got no counter attacker, so i had a speed team with all champions on 220 speed + incres speed aura. got 23 mil on UN. Now i do 30 mil and the gear is not maxt out. Thanks
Hey Murder, loving your vids man. I was just wondering, would a champ like Raglin throw off this type of white whale comp with her turn meter rng, since she boosts turn meter of 3 random allies by 15%?
would be very hard to calculate yes =/
Really looking forward to a more f2p team, have 2 of these champs in the video, just need to know who to put instead of the other 3. Really great work murder!
Bruhhhhh keep it up with the lit content! Good shit!!
Can I make the CA the fastest? The boss usually aoes first and Valkyrie usually goes first in my team.
absolutly amazing
“So without waisting any time”... over two minutes in 😂
Looking forward to seeing other comps with this breakthrough. Unfortunately I've only see UNM and NM speed teams with all or all but one leggo. The issue is there are so many comps and so many non-launch whales watching these videos that it may help to preface your videos with something like "if your not a whale/kraken then just keep grinding gear and come back to my videos once you have two copies of each leggo and are platinum in arena." Joking aside, I hope you can deliver on your other comps content as I'm anxiously awaiting it.
i understand the comment however while there are people who want to see a bigger spread of champions, it is better to show maximum value first so people see end game applications of any concept then go into easier to achieve compositions that i mentioned I would go over in a separate video strictly about that topic. I've seen this before where someone opens a concept in a video with lower end champions, the damage doesn't compare to an end game version (although that damage can be helpful to people with those champions) and the interest in the topic drops significantly before it had a chance to circulate. Thanks for the comment!
replacement for mashalled ? i mean i guess any champ with 30 % increase speed will work, but most of also have turn meter increase in their kit ..
Can it work without duchess?
Absolutely top content!!!
Will this work for any other decrease atk champion on void?
for this specific team only a speed leader like duchess and mashalled are required. can use anyone else!
How do we not get interrupted in arena
Now this is quality big brain info !
Its really cool that you will make a f2p version of this also, but would it be possible that you could shows, not just a team comp, but few different champs on any role? Also it would be ok as some roles have more different champs than others
i can do that for sure!
@@MurderIncRaid Cool! I've been playing with some wierd speed comp with duchess, sepulcher, skullcrusher, frozen banshee and now rhazin for some time, but never tuned it, just put them to balanced/best stats I can. I had fb and sepulcher in stalwart, but I don't think they work with out leech, I just regeared sepulcher in LS and after just 2 test runs it feels better but have to test more.
Thats why I really liked this vid as it did truly "hit home" :)
this vídeo need an updated, maybe changes tyrant by skullcrusher or another champ with ally protection ( reguard the dwaft ), Ma'shalled by ArchMage? and all with lifeSteal gear. i hope to see that.
DeadwoodJedi is a genius!
So, i have Duchess, now i just need the others lol. And i dont even want to mention the 2 fast champs... but the worst thing is that i pulled a Skull Lord. Now i have 2 guarding the vault...
Thanks again. I subbed to him as well.
Without Ma'Shalled, Can it work with Vampire and without Ma'Shalled?
Juan Jo Leon Castro u need his speed buff also tho
@@Alex-ml3zx High Khaun brings aura and speed buff, but you need buff extender to keep it on 100% of the time
Ahhhhhh, I have only Ma'Shaled, others are on my wish list :D
Nice work, but the team and gear is insane) hope, budget team will also be competitive
Yeaaaah, havent even watched it but i know that it will contain a lot of info, this is what makes us progress thru the game, thanks bro
i think i just need a little more explaination... what is a tick? does the turn meter always only do one tick? cuz ive seen turn meter jump a lot in between turns, and ive also seen it hardly move at all in between turns. so like a half tick if a dif champs speed cuts in halfway, or a tick go way more because no ones turn is ready yet
Speed ticks - the amount your tm fills. Multiple speed ticks can occur in between champion turns. The # of speed ticks that occur is dependent on how many ticks it will take for the next champ to fill the turn meter bar completely (1428 pts).
Does the 1428 apply to NM CB as well??
it does!
Yea as if everyone have duchess lilithu, draco, ma shaled...most of us have to deal with frozen banshee, apothecary, athel, kael, shaman, etc. Make a clan boss team based on rare and see if you can hit 51 millions on nightmare
I am trying your team, i use what i got, for Dutchess i got Minaya, Ma shalled, for Altan i got Sepulcher, for Draco i got Rhazin, for Tyrant i got Rearguard sergeant 😁
Unbelievable results....!!
why do the spds have to match exactly and cannot be higher?
the pinned comment of jedis calculator shows you exactly how to come up with the speeds
@@MurderIncRaid ok great thanks. I will check it out
Isnt that raglin and lanakis team also do 50some million damage
Watch the rest of the video
In your last video you had said that 7% of your speed equals 1 tick but that didn't get mentioned here