Why Did Disney Stop Selling Ticket Books?
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- The short and sweet answer is that Disney began to phase out ticket books for general admission passes in 1980 and by the middle of 1982, ticket books were fully retired. They mostly did it because… well… that was just the direction the industry was going in by then. There’s also an argument to be made that it was ultimately beneficial for them even if that wasn’t the direction it was going in.
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With the success of Disneyland, it was no big surprise that copycat amusement and theme parks would pop up elsewhere around the country. One of those parks, which opened just a few years later in 1958, was the Pacific Ocean Park in Santa Monica California.
The Park, which came to be known as POP, wasn’t Disneyland's first competitor, nor it’s last. What made the park notable however was that after a disappointing second year of attendance, in an attempt to win over more guests and compete with Disneyland, switched their attendance model. They went from ticketed attractions to one general admission ticket that granted guests access to all the rides at the park. This would be the first major implementation of such an idea.
POP would ultimately fail and close its gates in 1967. However before that would happen, another park in the US would open and mimic the same general admission business model, but with much more success. In 1961 and at a cost of three million dollars, Texas real estate developer Angus G Wynne opened a a theme park in Arlington, Texas. Named after the six different nations that at one point or another governed the land that made up the state, Six Flags Over Texas was a success from year one.
By 1971 Walt Disney World would open to the public. Much in the same way the company as a whole was clinging to the Walt era of doing things, the Florida park opened with the same A through E tickets that Disneyland used. At that point Six Flags had just opened their third theme park, and just ninety minutes north of Disneyland a new park, Magic Mountain, would open. It, too, would sell general admission tickets.
Disney stuck with ticket books, and they were essentially safe to. Their place at the top of the ladder in the realm of theme parks gave them the security to keep towing the line, but that wouldn’t last forever.
By 1980 things were looking pretty differently. Disney wasn’t failing financially, but they weren’t looking too great either. Their box office take was stagnating, two oil crises caused issues with Disney World attendance, and most importantly, their competition was picking up pace. While Disney was just starting to work on EPCOT, their third ever US theme park, Six Flags had already opened or acquired six, and they weren’t showing any signs of slowing down.
So Disney began to test the waters, and in 1980 they introduced passport tickets to their parks, which gave guests access to all rides at a flat rate. At this point they also began to slowly phase out ticket books. The first step was to remove the A through E classifications so that ticket books were just generalized tickets for attractions. However by the summer of 1982 those too would be retired.
Something else happened in Disney in 1982: EPCOT Center opened to the public. For the first time ever a Disney resort had a second gate, and with that one change the dynamic of a Disney vacation changed with it.
Disney quickly found that, as many would expect, the average length of stay for a family on vacation at Disney World doubled when the number of theme parks doubled. This meant guests spent more money on food, more money on merch, and more money on hotel stays. With that in mind, it became beneficial for guests to spend more time at the parks, and one way to accomplish that was to remove the limitations on how many attractions a guest could ride. Ticket books worked for day trips, but Disney vacations were quickly becomingly lengthier commitments.
While they both played a role, I’d say the outside influence of Six Flags and other theme parks like Universal Studios was the bigger factor. The 1970s were a decade in which Disney creatively slowed to a near-stop, while their competitors only gained more and more speed. In fact that period of stagnation makes me wonder about whether or not ticket books would have been retired even earlier had Walt still been alive to push the company forward.
Until this year I didn't know what "E Ticket" meant. I heard it in the Weird Al song "Jurassic Park" many years ago and whenever I googled the meaning, the results were always for "eTicket" meaning electronic ticket. It wasn't until I subscribed to this channel did I finally get the answer I've been searching for for years! Thanks Rob!
not only did we have to buy separate tickets for rides, we had to stand in 3 lines - 1 at the gate, 2 to buy a ticket to the ride 3 to actually board the ride - I just wish i would have saved one of my last ticket books - I could sell it now and buy an annual pass! :)
I still have a Knott's Berry Farm ticket book. They look just like Disneyland's, but they sell for a lot less on eBay.
well, Disney is known world wide, Knott's, only to Southern Californians.
Knott's should have sold their park to Disney.
Mark, I still have 6 ticket books (mostly still full of tickets) from my first visits to WDW shortly after they opened. Two of them say "Your admission to The Magic Kingdom And 12 Adventures, Adult, $6.75 (a $12.45 value)." The others include tickets for 8 or 11 rides. I also have one ticket for "one admission and any A through E attraction." It's so old, it's Ticket No. 43921.
I also have a tour book from my 1968 visit to Disneyland. At that time, prices ranged from General Admission $3.50 Adult, $0.75 Child to a whopping $6.50 for the guided tour. Knott's Berry Farm had a full page ad on the back cover, and were featured in a full page story inside the 8-1/2 x 11 book.
wholly cow....sure wish i had kept my ticket books! but who knew that we would ever make into the future to 2019...much less even 1980? lol better hold onto to those! 😁
who would have thought we would be actually alive in 2018? 😜
So THAT'S why it's called Six Flags! I thought the first one was the one near me (New England) but looking it up right now I guess that it means it's the oldest if you count the time before it was Six Flags (back when it was Riverside).
Sarah Houle they recently removed the Six Flags that governed Texas and put up all American Flags because one of the original six was deemed offensive.
Im from Texas and I learned about the six countries in fourth grade and always thought that was why. Recently I figured I was wrong because obviously there are other six flags in other states. Turns out I wasn’t!
I grew up in Dallas and went to the original SIx Flags all the time (that is where the Banana Split kid show was filmed by the way). The six flags worked very well for the theme. They had nice separate areas for Spain, France, Mexico, Texas Republic, the Confederacy, and the US. The park is so blurred now there are no real themed areas. I big loss in my opinion. But, like Disneyland, they got land locked and could not expand. Every new big ride would replace 4 or 5 small rides. It is basically just a roller coaster park now - good thing I love coasters! 😀
I remember Riverside well
That script was on fire! Well said and well done!
Thanks!
I'm so glad they stopped using tickets. Otherwise it'd get reaaaal expensive to ride Indiana Jones more than once ;P
Agreed! I also like that, to an extent obviously, you don't have to worry about money as much while you're there. I feel like I'd start judging rides a lot more harshly if I had to pay for every single ride-through.
Exactly, I feel like I wouldn't even go near half of the rides if I could only choose a few. And just imagine how much it would be, based off the cost of everything else today! I'm glad I can go on all of the E-Ticket rides ten times if I choose to lol.
Now, it's just really expensive to get into the whole park. Their prices are off the charts now. And, when you get in there, you have to wait in line for an hour for everything.
Here's my question, Rob. When does a Disney movie deserve its own ride or attraction? For example, as much as I hate it, can see why Frozen has its own ride in World Showcase. The movie made ALL of the money, and a lot of kids seem to like it. However, I can't for the life of me understand why Dinosaur still has a ride in Animal Kingdom, even though everyone has forgotten about it. And I can't for the life of me understand why, even though it's a beloved Disney classic, the closest thing Mary Poppins ever got to a ride or attraction was a brief scene in the now defunct Great Movie Ride.
I think that's a great question! Was going to answer here but I think this might make for a good op-ed, because I have some strong (and sometimes unliked) opinions on the topic.
Well I wouldn't necessarily say Dinosaur the ride is based on Dinosaur the movie. The ride doesn't have any of the characters from the movie and shares zero plot similarities. The most you could really say is that the two may take place in the same universe, or that the iguanadon at the end of the ride could be Aladar. It's definitely not a ride based on the movie in the same way as Frozen Ever After, or other movie based rides such as Peter Pan's Flight or Seven Dwarfs Mine Train.
Matt Vengeance Dinosaur was originally named "Countdown to Extinction" -- it was renamed to make a vague promotional connection to the movie. Kind of like the way "Splash Mountain" is named that because Eisner had some nebulous idea of cross-promoting the completely unrelated movie "Splash". Though it's possible that the character designs in Dinosaur had some connection to the existing ride.
I've been questioning this even since I was a kid tbh I always wanted them to make more rides that went with the movies I mean it just makes sense you know though I really love the rides that dont go with movies I feel like they will start putting more of those type of rides that go with the movies in the future
Well another, perhaps even more classic Disney film that no attraction at any of the parks is "Bambi".
So thoughtful! Your channel is an E Ticket! I like how you include Disney’s competition. In your research did you come across Walt visiting Knott’s Berry Farm in Buena Park? Apparently Disney and Knott were friends. New video idea perhaps? I’d like to see your take on it. I just really like how two parks that are ridiculously close together can both peacefully coexist and be successful. (Although my allegiance will always be Disney!)
Thanks for the kind words! I definitely want to do a video on Knott's in the future. In the case of this specific topic there wasn't a whole lot, but I think in the overall story of Disneyland's history they definitely play a park! I also want to take a trip out there the next time I'm in California!
Very interesting! It's hard to even imagine a Disney park with a ride ticket system nowadays. Maybe lines would be smaller and admission would be cheaper, but, then again, there would be lines to get tickets, lines to turn in tickets, and then lines for rides. The ticket return booths would be especially bad for congestion nowadays.
The parks were pretty congested already whenever I used to go. I don't think it could get any worse.
That was a great question asked. I have always heard Disney refer to E ticket attraction but i never really thought about where that saying had come from. Thanks!
The phrase "E ticket" has also become part of our vocabulary to mean something fun and exiting.
@@davidthomas283 When airlines and such first went to electronic ticketing, "E-ticket" was a term they used for it, and I always assumed there was a nostalgic nod to the Disney parks in that.
I always wonder what would have happened if Disney was alive for longer.. very interesting especially around that time for the company
Epcot may have been much different.
Alan Fox or it may have never happened at all. Walt’s intention was a city that would have had to overcome a lot of different issues to actually come to life.
I wonder if we would have gotten the proposed Disney Hotels around the Monorail Loop like the Venetian & Asian Resort, or the Airport like he planned...
A problem with general admission is that it leads to longer lines, because there's no rationing of rides on the most popular attractions. So the FastPass has emerged as sort of a modern-day version of the ticket book-- instead of rationing rides, they ration places in the short line. They're even gradually bringing back the tier system, though there are only two levels instead of five.
I'm a fan of your channel and I really enjoy your audio quality. Keep it up!!
Thanks! I'll try!
My mother still has a small stack of ticket books with unused tickets. A few are E and D tickets. (Most are A, B, and C tickets).
I know. They aren't for sale. :) They remind me of when I was a kid an my parents or Grandmother had to dig them out to get us onto a ride. They hold too many memories for me to sell them. Plus, they're my mom's and she'd pay someone to crush my spine if I did that. LOL
I'd rather have them framed and hanging on a wall completely intact. (And keep my spine in tact, too).
Almost everyone back then ended up with a book sitting in a drawer at home with unused tickets. I’ve got a couple books to prove it’s most likely true.
You would find a way to work Condorman into a video!😂
Your videos get me through my week!! Love the amazing content, keep up the great work!
Thanks! Yeah he's my go-to for the state of Disney cinema before the Eisner era!
Another great video! Thanks Rob!
I remember in 1976 (I was 10), an employee at Contemporary Resort was ripping the covers off of peoples ticket books on the cue for the monorail. He was stealing them and we had a heck of a time when we next needed that cover to be there.
So informative!! I've always wondered the official reason they stopped selling ticket books and now I know. Thank you!
Well would it have been cheaper to visit the park with the books or general admission? I'm assuming older folks hanging out with their children or grandchildren, and not riding rides, it may have been less expensive since they wouldn't need the book.
The price of Disney park admission has definitely risen faster than inflation, even since they went to general admission.
Now I finally understand what an e-ticket attraction means. Thanks Rob.
We lived in Orange County and my father worked for Hughes Aircraft. Disneyland would have Hughes night and each one of the family received a plastic wristband and all we had to do was show our wristband and we could do all the rides for free. The Family moved to San Diego about 1971 which means Disney was tinkering with unlimited passes prior to 71 on a limited basis
Wow ! How insightful ! It all makes a lot better sense ! Fantastic video! Ps it’s awesome seeing our name At the end of the video! So proud to be one of your Patrons !
Thanks for the kind words and support!
With how immersive Disney is, would you go on record to consider it almost a play you're a part of? With all the stories and hidden details, it sure seems to be much more like a very intriquette play than a theme park
There's certainly that aspect to it. It's part of why employees are called cast members, uniforms are called costumes, and words like "good show" get thrown around. I also think the attention to detail definitely show that Disney is trying to tell a story with everything they do. As for our part, I'd lean more towards us being passive observers than a "part of the play", but that's mainly because I think upcoming projects like the Star Wars hotel and the reputation system in Galaxy's Edge are going to be a major step in us actually being a part of the story. At that point I think we'll truly be a part of it and not just the audience.
Great video Rob!! Thanks for making it!
joncw65 great question ! You're immortalized in Disney history now !
My 1st WDW visit was March 1978. I remember buying a Combo 2 day park admission ticket and a 20 or so ride ticket book. I also remember that as you left the Central Hub towards Tomorrowland, there was a ticket booth in the middle of the walkway to buy additional ride tickets.
Informative video. However, Pacific Ocean Park, located less than an hour away, was pronounced P.O.P. (sounding out each letter). Not "pop".
Great video... I was just thinking that this would be a wonderful topic for a video.. and here you are. Thanks
Speaking of POP, I remember a park in the New York area using POP to stand for Pay One Price when they started a general admission policy.
So six flags was always been a major competitor since its inception
My Mom helped With the all day passes. At her job they asked for people to help introduce the passes. She said yes. So on the Weekends we'd go to Disney and she was in meetings for part of the day.My brother and me had our passes on your shirts or jackets. We would stand in line kids mainly would ask what the passes were. We tell them. They would ask there parents If they could get them
The parents were nice. But some would ask where are your parents? Since we were 9 and10. We had so much fun.Guess we were free advertising. But it was worth it.
Glad you mentioned Magic Mountain. Having been a teenager in So. Cal. in the late 70's, everyone went to Magic Mountain because it was one price for all the rides.
WOW. Odd to think that six flags was ever close to being a competitor with Disney.
I'm not sure if they still do it today, but when I went to Tokyo Disneyland in 1995, you could buy individual ride tickets, or get an all day pass. For our class trip, we got the all day pass.
Another great video Rob!
In the late 70s each ticket had a price:
A Ticket 10 cents
B Ticket 30 cents
C Ticket 50 cents
D Ticket 70 cents
E Ticket 90 cents
So Space Mountain, Haunted Mansion etc. were "big money rides" and still under $1.00
There was also a 5 ticket "add-on" book of A-E tickets (tickets good on any ride) for $2.50, once you were inside a park.
The plus of the ticket system is if you were a parent and didn't want to really ride anything, you could buy the ticket book for just the park admission, and then give the tickets to the kids, keeping the cost down overall.
Apparently they were trying ‘flat’ tickets back in 77/78 according to my aunt over a bank holiday (memorial weekend?).
1:43 I grew up near Santa Monica. Pacific Ocean Park was not called "pop" ... but by the initials "P-O-P"
Excellent video Rob. You should do a video on the history of MGM (Hollywood) Studios and the direction it’s heading. Seems like Disney is really placing their money on that park right now.
Your videos are top notch. Keep up the great work!
So cool! I haven’t seen that photo and artwork of the original SFoTX before. This is the first year that I’ve taken my daughter, and she loves it. She’s been to WDW a few times and will go to DL/DCA next month. I don’t think SF can compare, but my daughter somehow things it’s just as good.
Weird seeing how there was nothing around it, but cool that there were already highways. Arlington is in between Dallas and Ft Worth. All three are pretty built up.
Pacific Ocean Park was NOT also referred to as "Pop." It was spelled out: "P-O-P."
WHAT?! WOAH! You're telling me that Pacific Park on the Santa Monica Pier used to be an actualy whole park? Not just a small carnival-type thing? Damn, how did that fail? There's so many people that go to Santa Monica nowadays and the park is just so small, that they should consider expanding the boardwalk along the beach and start bringing back a bigger park. I would love to have a park closer to me. Although I do love very close to Magic Mountain, there's nothing like a seaside amusement park... such as the one is San Jose, which is so much better than Pacific Park
Different area actually. POP was off of Pier Ave just a little over a mile south of Santa Monica Pier. If you look for Pier Ave by the beach, you'll see a space of sand between two parking lots. That's where the park and pier used to be. I agree though, would love to see something like it return one day!
Rob Plays Oooooohhhhhh. Okay. I think I know where you are talking about
We were there in October 1971 for the one year anniversary, accidentally. Three boys trying to decipher the best way to utilize tickets for different attraction combinations. Higher math was required than we possessed. Glad when they did away with the ticket books.
State fairs are some of the few examples left today where you have to buy tickets for rides. I'm suprised they don't sell ticket books. At least the Louisiana State Fair anyway.
I really like the pay per ride system because it provides an incentive for good operations. While Disney has good operations already they could definitely be better and if you make money based on how many people are able to get on the ride (like knoebels) you see the best possible operations.
Hey Rob, so my question to you is - of all the Disney That Never Was - what's the one attraction you wish you'd seen and if you were to Imagineer or Re-Imagineer it for todays audiences, what would you do?Keep up the great work - proud to be a Patreon :)
My mom visited Disneyland when she was a little girl, and she says that the memories she has about it are very negative. Being a kid and having to drive somewhere for days (we're from Canada) and then not being able to go on the majority of rides because you don't have enough tickets is really disappointing. You just walk around the park and wish you could go on rides and then drive all the way home. I am so glad they don't do tickets anymore.
You'd also end up with leftover A, B & C tickets in the book. The other problem was that one of the adults had to hang on to the children's ticket books so that they wouldn't get lost. Tickets would get pulled out prematurely. They were kind of a pain. Also, the group would go to line up for a specific ride and someone wouldn't have the right tickets. Grandma, who didn't really like rides that much would have tickets she couldn't use and would give those to us older children to ride again. I remember seeing stubs of ticket books laying around at my Florida grandparents' house on dressers and the like.
AWESOME VIDEO AS USUAL! HAPPY HOLIDAYS ROB!!!!!
Thanks! Happy Holidays to you as well!
I'VE always heard that Disney stopped selling their tickets books because of Magic Mountain & Knott's Berry Farm. When Magic Mountain opened in 1971, they had NO ticket books at all; it was a general admission price for all rides. THEN Knott's Berry Farm (down the street from Disneyland) decided to phase out their ticket books FIRST in 1974, THEN Disneyland made the decision after they saw how Knott's faired.
Pacific Ocean Park was known as "P.O.P.", not "pop".
I wish they would bring back the Peoplemover to Disneyland. That was a great ride to go on after a big meal at the Plaza Inn restarurant.
The ticket books must have helped regulate lines at the most popular rides, though. With everything gone to general admission, the currency in which you now pay for rides is wait time, with a complicated FastPass structure to try to mitigate it, and we've almost come full circle with the tiered restrictions on FastPass+ at Disney World (and the virtual queue for Rise of the Resistance, which I guess is a tier even above that). There's once again a sense of some rides being formally recognized as the E tickets.
Another great video! though my only nitpick is that the other Six Flags is in San Antonio, not Corpus :)
Would love to get a replica! It definitely made sense for them to do so!
Returning to your channel Rob. Dang... Last time I was here is when you were still recording on MCMagic lol. Those were the good days, haha.
This is such an interesting video! In a lot of the walt disney Biographies I read - they don't go into the theme park competition that arose after DisneyLand opened. Wynn with his six flags plan of action to spread by acquisition is inspired. I'm wondering how they went about theming for their parks in comparison to how Disney had all the movie assets and the television presence to draw patrons
So weird to think of all the generations of kids who grew up AFTER the tickets! I grew up (and went to Disneyland by far the most) during the 60s and 70s, so to me it's still kinda strange to have one admission and unlimited rides. (Of course the lines at attractions, especially during the Summer, really limit how many times you'll go on a ride, as a practical matter... unless you're going there just to ride one or two attractions over and over!). We almost always went in Summer when out-of-town relatives were visiting and they wanted to see Disneyland (I can only once remember going around Christmastime). Usually hot and long lines for the best rides. At least my folks would usually take everyone to the Blue Bayou Restaurant for lunch, which was cool and refreshing. I recall one lunch at Casa de Fritos, and dinners at that Carnation Plaza Restaurant (or if we didn't want to take the time for a "sit-down" dinner, then usually the Tomorrowland Terrace. Far back as I can remember my Mom kept a small box in the closet with extra tickets that we'd always bring. Only problem was they were usually your "A"s and "B"s which we always seems to have a bunch of leftover after every visit. Never any "E"s left over! So we'd end up buying new ticket books anyways. I also remember going to those ticket booths around the park especially to buy extra "E"s. The Tomorrowland one I recall was real cool after the 1967 remodel; same space-age modern style as the Tomorrowland Terrace. I seem to remember that Monsanto's "Journey Thru Inner Space" was free, and at least children got in free with a coupon in each ticket book for "Great Moments With Mr. Lincoln"? Anyone able to clarify, please "jump in"! Thanks.
I think in the future they will make all Disney passes park hopper passes to entice guest to stay longer and spread out the crowd more.
Hey Rob! I'm not sure if you've done a video about it before but I just recently heard about S.E.A. (the society of explorers and adventures) and I think it would be cool to know the whole story about it and/or how it came about
Oh man, I love the idea of SEA. I haven't done a full video yet, partially because I keep thinking I'll get to all the international parks soon enough to get enough b-roll of the story elements, but I think eventually I'll need to make that video. I think I briefly mention them in my "Avengers" video, where I pitch the idea of multiple rides that share one larger storyline: ua-cam.com/video/oVnSEykJie4/v-deo.html
man i used to work at six flags great america i never knew six flags was such a strong competitor to disney
"Well this sure ain't no E-ticket / Think I'll tell them where to stick it / And I don't think I'll be coming back agaaaaain"
With the addition of the Ratatouille ride area in Epcot’s France pavilion, how do you think the forced perspective illusion of the Eiffel Tower will maintain its effect, since the alleyway goes behind the building that the tower sits on?
I still have several ticket books with A-tickets left in them.
I remember seeing people trading their tickets with each other. Not everyone wanted an E ride.
Side note: I've heard that a complete and unused ticket book can be turned in for a free one day park ticket (at least at Disneyland). Is there any truth to this, or is it just a rumor? Either way, I'd rather buy park admission than give away a piece of history like that!
Partially true! Ticket books can be turned in for credit towards a pass to the park, however from what I had seen it was far from 1 book = 1 pass. I believe at this point the books are worth a couple of bucks off the final price. At that point I'd say they're worth keeping a collectors item.
Was true a long time ago (though one book wasn't worth an entire day's pass) but if it still is, they'd still be worth more as collector's items than the amount Disney would give you off a ticket price.
QUESTION: Why did Disney World wait so long to add more hotels. The hotel business is dependent on two things: occupancy rates and cost of land and construction. When Disney World opened, hotels sprang up in Orlando like weeds to serve the Disney World market. The hotels were built on very expensive land and most made a good profit until the hotel market was over saturated. E.M. Statler, a famous hotelier from days gone by, coined the term "location, location, location." Generally a good location, location, location costs money, money, money. At Disney World you have location, location, location . . . .location at literally less than a dollar per guest room. Occupancy rates above 90% (a dream in the hotel industry) were virtually guaranteed. Why did Disney delay putting more rooms on property. Perhaps agreements with the hotels located at the now Disney Springs area. I'd love to know. Thanks. Richard Baumgardner
Ticket books these days would make going to disney fing expensive. Ever go to a fair that use tikket books still. It cost a crap ton. Id rather buy a 7 day pass then 7 days worth of indvidule ride tickets.
Again, a nice observation video @Rob - and a great place for me to send students that ask about why we call them "e-ticket rides".
I wonder if you are aware of the possible return of the individual ride ticket in the industry?
Going back to the e-payment (MagicBand) conversation - there is talk now of "smart pay" that could include individual payment / services off of the device.
I have to agree that the book of tickets, out-living its welcome at WDC - after Disney's passing, the "if it ain't broke..." mentality took hold big-time. Even in the 90's there were some that lamented the simplicity of accountancy that it offered!
I think after the Pandora experiments, Star Wars Land may be the first real test hub for a return to a (e-)payment platform for ticketed rides - your feelings?
hey I really like your videos! could you make a video explaining other failed ideas disney has had? either parks or movies, both are great! your videos are great
Can you do a video on why the bay lake tower hotel was constructed even though its a small or knock-off contemporary hotel.
Can you speak on John Lassiter stepping down and how his departure may effect the company?
Our family first visited WDW in '75...I wouldn't go again until the mid-80's,so the ticket books were gone by then. Frankly,I don't miss them. I made several solo trips in the 90's,and I know I wouldn't have liked to pay extra to go on favored rides again and again.
Is there any way you can show some rides getting some major upgrades
This would be a cool video
Pacific Ocean Park -- POP! Used to got there a lot. Their Jungle Ride in those little jeeps was my fav as a little kid. And Magic Mountain, too. More "thrill-type rides," so some of my friends preferred it to Disneyland. But Disneyland had the more interesting attractions, to be sure. I mean, after all -- taking a Trip to the Moon? Or going on a submarine voyage under the Polar Ice Cap (and see Atlantis)? Being miniaturized down to the size of an atom? A terrific haunted house with "999 Ghosts"? Watching "real" pirates sack a town? Going to Switzerland to ride a bobsled? (just to name a few...lol).
I’m sure there were plenty of less fortunate kids who’s parents couldn’t or wouldn’t buy ride tickets who were just tortured by being able to get in but not ride any of the good rides, or maybe none at all. That would be the pits.
I've been to Pacific Ocean Park!
Looked like a pretty sweet place, though I don't know if I'd be able to stomach the gondolas over the ocean!
It's been a long time since I've been there, after all it did close over 30 years ago, but I remember loving the gondolas, that cool ocean breeze that you got was amazing, and the view was spectacular!
Do a ‘how much it would cost to go to Disneyland’ on opening day... if you were travailing from the uk video! Please
I am sitting through one of the ads I hate the most for you Rob! Lmfao.
Haha you don't have to do that! Feel free to skip!
WHAT IF THE SKIP BUTTON ANGERS THE UA-cam GREMLINS!!!
Get an ad blocker, problem solved
Hi Rob, thanks for another great video! You mentioned that Disney saw the time a family stay on the resort doubled with the opening of Epcot, which brings up another question: do you think that the current number of 4 Theme Parks is the "sweet spot" for Walt Disney World? Or do you think Disney has plans to open another Park in the distant future (once the existing expansion/renovation plans are complete), so that families would stay even more days there? I'm sure there will be a point where it reaches diminishing returns, but I would be personally willing to stay up to 5 days if they open up another Park. Thanks!
I grew up in Dallas, TX so Six Flags Over Texas (Arlington) is still the only "real" Six Flags to me ha ha. I always hated the ticket book idea. They still use it at many carnivals and state fairs, but it makes sense there because they are usually independent ride operators and tickets keep the park and carney more honest on the fares collected. For a company owned park the ticket book was always terribly inconvenient for the guests. If it is too much work to get extra tickets for a last couple rides... we just skip the rides. General admission is the only way to go.
The only time that he mention a Six Flags Park
If one bought a ParkHopper for a single day event today what would be the equivalent e-ticket price per ride in coupons or tickets? Would you have enough time in the day to ride all those 4to6 hour wait rides? Could you get into breakfast lunch and dinner at the popular must have dining experiences? Do the math for us - - you've gone this far.
After coming across this video, I asked my mother if ticket books were still used on her very first trip to Disneyland in 1980. Her answer was that they were still being used and she remembered tearing the tickets out to use them. She told me she was sad that the ticket books meant she had to pick only one ride from each category and that she could only ride it once. She even remembered choosing It's A Small World for her E-ticket.
In the end, she's glad the ticket books are gone because she can now ride all those rides on the E-ticket on the same day now 😂
How do those Stormtroopers work saying their audio lines? So confused.
Great video. Six Flags over Texas is my hometown park. It may have been innovative and great in the 60s but it’s a dump compared to any Disney park now. In fact, it’s a dump compared to many of its sister Six Flags locations. It’s dirty, unkempt and the rides break all the time. I got stuck on shock force and the train last weekend at their Holiday in the Park event.
I read in Disneyland Inside Story and another book that initially the individual purchase of tickets was like Chinese "water torture" having to shell out $$ each time you wanted to ride a ride. Also vendors urged Walt to "lower" the gate admission as they reasoned it "hampered" their sales. The gate adm. or "cover charge" was to keep out lets say more unsavory characters. The ticket book was introduced and the attraction host(s) had to "teach guests how to use them. The least popular attractions were getting "skipped over" that had shorter line. With the opening of EPCOT Center a "new ticket" system for a futurist park was introduced. One "down size" of getting rid of the book was guest now longer had to "choose" what ride they wanted to (with a family dynamic to vote) You could now simply ride anything. Until "fast pass" but that's another story. LOL
i always thought that e ticket attractions meant that they were electronic ticket attractions or the first to get fast passes 😧
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those ticket books can be great if the park offers both them and full passes though... most of the people running the rides just assume you have a full pass. :P
I still have coupons left...lol
Virtual ticket books are back!
They should just bring these back at this rate with all the changes
I always thought it was because of Knotts Berry Farm having a single ticket.
I remember those tickets. Then after the experimental prototype community of tomorrow opened, thery were pretty much gone.
Do you think Disney will ever open a fifth park at Disney World? Or maybe a third park, or even a waterpark at Disneyland? Which one do you think will be more or less likely to happen?
Can u pls do a video on the history of Hollywood studios? I just need to know!!!
Or just talk about Disney fast food
I don't have a full history, but this video I did a while back on why it was named Disney-MGM Studios and why it was renamed goes a bit into the park's history: ua-cam.com/video/avzbKUYtzpA/v-deo.html
01:43 - Pacific Ocean Park was known as P. O. P., not 'pop'.
So **that's** what an "E-Ticket" is. When I watched videos about the history of the parks, I was assuming "E-ticket rides" referred to some new term for selling online tickets. xD
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Hey Rob, why are Disney World and Disneyland both in Orange County in different states. Is it just coincidence or is something else going on?
It's just a coincidence. I think.
Either that or Walt had a special liking for " Orange Counties"
Just a coincidence quite likely. Although it's interesting that Walt's father used to grow oranges for a living lol.
Hey Rob, could you do a video on my favorite attraction, Splash Mountain? Would love to hear your thoughts on it
Really interesting video! I'm glad I took the time today to catch up on your recent videos!
I have a question for you. In a recent video, you talked about how you don't like Dinoland USA because it's something that you can just see at any traveling carnival. Since you just went to Disneyland, would you apply this same logic to New Orleans Square? After all, you can (theoretically) go to New Orleans any time and see the same style of architecture and go on tours or to places that give you a sense of the culture of that time period (with pirates and voodoo and such). If you don't feel the same way about them, then why not? What makes New Orleans Square different from Dinoland USA?
GREAT QUESTION! I think you have a point in that New Orleans is similarly something you can get elsewhere (such as New Orleans). I think the reason that doesn't come to my mind naturally however is that the land as a whole is so small and oddly shaped. Granted it's only two trips so far, but I have a hard time considering The Haunted Mansions and Pirates a part of the land because they just sort of sit on the edge of the space. So really when I think of the land, I think of that one curved street with shops, and really, it's so small and minor that I guess it just doesn't register to me. So while I don't full-on dislike it the way I do Dinoland, I guess I don't think of the land to begin with that much.
On top the that I guess it's worth noting I've never been to New Orleans before, so the area does feel as new to me as, say, Paradise Pier. It's possible I'd look at the land differently if I took a few trips to the real city.
I guess that's a fair point. I'm assuming that (other than it being the location of Pirates) it's fairly comparable to Liberty Square, and I usually don't think that much about Liberty Square for similar reasons.
I know plenty of people who have been to New Orleans (being from Louisiana and a current resident of New Orleans), but I can't think of any off the top of my head who have been to Disneyland. I find it kind of strange that I never hear commentary on it, but I guess Disney was right about Disney World being too geographically close to New Orleans for New Orleans Square to work there.