Luz and Anne: Two Sides Of The Same Coin
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- We've talked about both shows so much, I think it's about time we go over the main characters of The Owl House and Amphibia, isn't it?
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I’ve seen luz being depressed so much I forgot she used to have energy and actually be happy
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I’m fairly sure she got better by the end.
She got a bit better near the end
@Random Junk nahhhh at the end like time skip she was for sure better like way better
I’ve said this before, but for being a fantasy show, The Owl House is ironically quite critical of fantasy-making. From Luz in the beginning putting her friends/classmates in danger with her imaginative schemes, to Belos’ obsession with being a glorious “heroic” witch hunter & trying to recreate his brother, to King wanting to be the respected “King of Demons”, to the Collector not understanding death & only wanting to play without any regard for the safety of others. And don’t forget the main theme: “If we waited around for a prophecy to choose us, we’d die waiting. Which is why YOU need to CHOOSE YOURSELF.” -Eda Clawthorne. Luz went from saying “I am the good witch Azura!” to “I am the good witch Luz!”. Luz doesn’t need to resort to fantasy in order to be a hero, because she IS a hero in reality. She helps people and she makes a difference.
So is Amphibia.
That's one of the reasons I love The Owl House in a way I couldn't connect to Amphibia, because of the deconstruction of fantasy archetypes, aside that she's the only character of isekai genre that stays in the other world for her own will (asides Kagome from Inuyasha), and even when she decides leaving it for good is because she loves the Islands and her friends too much and think they'll be better without her. I love the fact that she is not forced to be separated from the Islands for good (or have to chose one of the worlds forever), unlike what happened in most isekais, including Amphibia.
I loved how they subverted the Chosen One trope since the beginning, then destroyed the trope AGAIN in the finale by having the heroes be indeed chosen not by a prophecy, but because of their intrinsic selfless nature. They weren't chosen to be heroes, they were chosen BECAUSE they are heroes
@@Hel7100 in the case of amphibia, I think that was the perfect way to end the show because it reinforced the shows main theme. Change is inevitable and scary, but at the same time is a good thing. We are able to see everyone find peace in their lives despite having to go through such a big and unexpected change
Well put!
Anne learns to love herself.
Luz learns to hate herself.
I mean luz did love herself again
I believe Luz hated herself long before the start of the series.
All she ever wanted was to be understood and accepted for who she really was, especially by her own mother. But after Camila decided to send her in a “Reality Check Camp”, she saw it as the ultimate rejection.
So she ran away and stayed in the Boiling Isles, hoping that by becoming a witch and a hero, people would love her and all of her flaws could be “fixed”.
As Anne said: “It doesn’t matter “what” she did it, but “why” she did it”. But once she realized she helped someone who tricked her by taking advantage of her kindness and naivety, she was crushed with guilt, making her hate herself even more
Luz may have been selfish with her decision, but considering her background, her motives are quite sympathetic.
She just a kid who wanted to be loved, something that all humans desire above all else
Anne saves Amphibia
Luz commited assisted genocide
@@fernandoguillen5996
To be fair, Anne did help accidentally Andrias and by extension the Core, in his multiversal conquest massacre, sooooooo……
@@fernandoguillen5996 and that will totally disappear from luz's memory forever like nothing happened
I got say I never got the impression that Anne was truly mean, sure she was rude and arrogant but I never got that she was malicious, especially when in best Fronds where she basically was about to forfeit her life for Sprig
Exactly, she wasn't super bad or anything, just super immature and moulded by her relationships rather than herself
@@agustinberto6138 hell theirs a reason why her calamity stone was the heart
Anne was more irresponsible and impressionable than rude and arrogant, and yes she was never truly mean. Anne just had a lot to learn, and Sprig, Polly, and Hop Pop helped her to learn, while she helped teach them too.
Yes👍💪👏🎼🐸⛩️💫
@@raheemaslam7363 there's* 🤓
Anne's Arc: Learns to love herself, be more independant, be honest, forgiveness and to help others.
Luz's Arc: DEPRESSION
Makes it more realistic tbf, a teen trapped into another world and possibly destroying it would make anyone depressed
I think the depression started in hollow mind up to Thanks to Them that’s when I noticed it anyway
Luz wasn't confident in herself nobody understood her and she did things that put others in danger without thinking about it but than matured became more confident learned her actions had consequences alongside realizing she has friends to support her.
@@Mirthful_Panda I would say it started with Eda's sacrifice in S1E18 and really got wind with Elsewhere Elswhen or maybe even the First Episode of Season 2
Jesus Luz wasn't ready for trauma at all
@@GreenGooGuy oh yeah your right….poor Luz I hope she gets therapy
I don't have much to say, but I do wanna say I loved Anne's parents being added to the show, including the mom's speaking. It's immensely super ridiculously rare for Thai culture to be shown in media ever aside from being used to justify a botched sex transition joke or pretty boy prostitutes sadly. The few times Thai people are in media, the culture and language is almost never shown or mentioned, neither is the fact that they're Thai mentioned, and you never hear an accent either. Anne's parents made me so happy, I felt like I was listening to my grandma, which was the first time in my life I felt like I could really identify with a family in media. It was super exciting for me
The Thai representation in the first season is fantastic, Anne making a local restaurant Thai fusion. The Temple Frogs episode in season 3 is a great showcase of the culture and how well the Plantars adapt to it, as well as the sense of community.
In my opinion, Luz went through a positive arc during the timeskip. Before the show, she was quirky and lively, yes, but ultimately endangered others through her shenanigans (like bringing live snakes into the classroom). She didn't register how her outbursts could affect others (partially from being a kid). Throughout her adventures on the Boiling Isles, she realizes that her actions DO have consequences, and the addition of more people she cares about and being slightly forced into it helps her realize it. From the second episode, she went on this big fantasy adventure--only to realize it was all an illusion.
When the irreparable damage started to add up in Yesterday's Lie and Hollow Mind, Luz was forced to see how much her actions have caused others harm. This sends her into the depression spiral, but she needed to learn this.
With what little we see of the timeskip, Luz is very happy and has rediscovered her creative side (i.e the writing scholarship), but still acts with much more maturity. She got over her depression, kept the life lessons, and regained her child-like sense of creativity, in the 4-year time skip we didn't get to see.
Well we see the seeds of her fixing herself.
In my opinion I think she kinda slowly entered her positive arc near the end of for the future or right before the time skip
While I agree to this as far as Season One and Season Two up to "Yesterday's Lie" is concerned, I can't say that I agree with you on Luz being accountable for everything that happened from "Hollow Mind" forward. Yes, she is responsible, by technicality, for giving Phillip the final Glyph he needed to enact his plans, but she had no way of knowing how much of a bastard he was yet at the time, let alone that he was actively plotting on killing everyone on the Isles; it was a simple gesture of goodwill, directed towards someone that she thought was worthy of it.
Furthermore, much of the heartache Luz endured as a result of her own actions before this point actually promoted her to grow in some way; in spite of all of the pain, it at least felt like Luz LEARNED something at the end of it all. The entirety of Season One is devoted to breaking down Luz's hero/savior complex, showing how all of her grandiose and over-the-top ways she tries to be a "hero" don't work out like they do in her books. "Yesterday's Lie" has her be confronted by the consequences of her choice to remain in the Demon Realm and how it ended up hurting her mother, and forces her to start acknowledging and accepting responsibility for her prior actions, as well as the choices she will be inevitably forced to make between her mother and her found family in the Demon Realm. "Knock, Knock, Knocking On Hooty's Door" and "Reaching Out" explores the damage she nearly does to her relationship with Amity because of her failure to handle her insecurities and fears in healthy ways.
"Hollow Mind", in contrast, is just emotional damage with practically zero outlet for a believably constructive outlook, born wholly from a horrific exploitation of Luz's good nature that she otherwise had no control over. In fact, I'd even say the events of Hollow Mind cause her character to REGRESS in certain ways; namely, in her desperation to "fix" the one thing that she was BARELY responsible for, she ends up getting her and Eda captured by the Emperor's Coven towards the end of "O Titan, Where Art Thou" (though, frankly, Eda should have also been honest about the simple fact that she had no real plan to fight Belos), and it also motivates her to run in blind to take on Belos personally towards the end of "Clouds Of The Horizon" and in "King's Tide", which nearly gets her killed. On top of this, she doesn't dare reveal how Belos used her to her friends, for the same reasons that she doesn't tell them about her meeting with Camila- she's afraid of how they'll react.
And while I still keep in mind the restraints that the writing team was working with, thanks (for nothing) to Disney, this is admittedly a bit of a hang-up I had with Season Three as a whole; while Luz's issues are SUPERFICIALLY addressed, they don't feel attended to or resolved with the same care and nuance that the buildup to it was... which I know Dana and the team WOULD HAVE, had the show not been cut short. Not helping this was the fact that, in "Thanks To Them", they SERIOUSLY give off the impression of Luz having become low-key suicidal in the time between King's Tide and that episode (subtext really matters here), which they "fix" with a couple of standard "we all make mistakes" and "you are better than you think you are" speeches, which, frankly, was a disservice to just how seriously they had treated Luz's guilt prior.
Sorry for the essay, just wanted to offer my two cents.
Ooh, fair! I didn't think about that, but you might just be onto something. And it, along with so much of the Owl House, could have used more time to breathe. Shame, but for what happened with them they pulled it together *immensely*.
@@elierickson298 Seriously fuck Disney, if the higherups weren't such morons we would have gotten that pacing the show definitely needed for it's finale.
Interesting how Owl House's three season can more or less described Luz's arc as static, negative change, and positive change. This video offered some really great insight into this show I love so much, but is also a fascinating case study on the three types of arcs a character can have.
Funnily enough, this lines up with the Hero's Journey! You thought you could escape your Highschool English Class BUT YOU CAN NOT
@@GoblinLord I'm literally in school to be an English teacher. I have accepted my fate.
@@GoblinLord NO SOP GIVING ME FLASHBACKS!!! (i never want to think about that again)
@@GoblinLord If only, we never learned about writing arcs such as the Hero's journey in my high school.
Luz: this mama is ready for trauma
Famous last words
It's probably relevant to Luz's breakdown that she's intentionally coded as having undiagnosed ADHD, which brings its own additional effects on self image that would worsen her sense of guilt
So that’s why I relate to her so much.
Wow.
I can relate to that but then again I know my actions have consequences
I’d argue that Anne wasn’t really a bad person, she was a pretty typical middle schooler. Let’s be honest, at that age, most of us are kinda selfish and rude, and as we grow, we learn to be more empathetic and humble. Anne goes through pretty much exactly that; her arc, at least to me, was less about going from being a bad person to a good person, and more about going from immature to mature
As for Luz, I’d argue that she does actually grow a decent amount through the first two seasons. Like Anne, she was never a bad person, but she tended to get completely lost in her own fantasies and didn’t always realize when she was causing issues for others (remember, she released snakes in her school, some of which attacked people, and when she saw those students running down the halls screaming bloody murder with snakes biting them, all she says is “oh, so that’s where the backup snakes were”). However, consequences in the boiling isles were more serious and direct, as she literally saw herself, Eda, and King all fall into danger when she made a brash decision, so it was easier for her to realize her mistakes, and over time becomes more grounded (admittedly, the only real “permanent” thing she indirectly caused during this time were the events of the season 1 finale, but she did still see people in danger because of her choices on a smaller scale, like in Witches Before Wizards). Things, obviously, get far more serious as stuff with Belos gets more heated, but I think it’s important to acknowledge that Luz did grow and change through the first half of the series. Her mom even comments on it in Yesterday’s Lie, which is way before everything gets crazy (and even before Camilla realizes that Luz chose to stay in the demon realm)
It's always been cool to me that in stark contrast to how similar these series' premises are, Luz and Anne are about as different as can be. I introduced a lot of friends to these shows, and it always amused me how some of them loved Luz immediately and disliked Anne at first, or vice versa.
On one hand, Anne begins distrustful and disgusted with her surroundings and slowly comes to value them so much that she honestly comes to see the Plantars as better friends than Sasha or Marcy ever were.
And on the other hand, Luz begins loveable and relatable before slowly coming to terms with the fact that the Boiling Isles is nothing like her fantasies, and being a hero is not only hard, but actively demoralizing to the point where she questions whether or not she should've ever tried to be one in the first place.
I love the dichotomy between positive and negative arcs. Zuko next to Azula, Ahsoka next to Anakin, and as presented here, Anne next to Luz. (I am not saying Luz is evil, I am just saying had to break before she could fully grow.)
Series like Amphibia and the Owl House always impress me with how willing they are to tackle difficult character arcs. It makes other shows look silly for being too scared to give their characters actual arcs and just redeeming despite those characters not deserving redemption at all.
*COUGH* Catra *COUGH*
Haha- as a matter of fact, I'm currently watching She-Ra at the moment! Catra is definitely one of my favorites character-wise so far, so your comment has me dreading what's to come XD
@@themadmagpie1742 😬 Oops.
Well, I'll let you draw your own conclusion regarding Catra when you finish the series.
The internet is full of varying opinions. You can consider mine, but don't let it rob you of your own.
I liked Anne more from the start to be honest, I feel like it's wrong to say I liked Luz when she got more mentally unstable but 💀I liked how realer she felt as a protagonist to me than another cheery sunny type Luz still grew on me though
I dunno, for me they are basically the same
I really appreciate your acknowledgement of just how STRONG Anne’s arc was. I think amphibia is amazing at making layered characters and I also find Sasha and Marcy super interesting
Anne wasn't really a mean girl. She was more irresponsible and impressionable, but she did have some good in her from the start. She had a problematic friendship with both Sasha and Marcy, while also contributing to the problems that the 3 girls had with their friendship. For the record, Marcy's journal goes into details on how Anne didn't forget about what happened to Marcy in true colors. Anne's time in Amphibia helped mature her, and helped make the friendship between Anne, Sasha, and Marcy better than it was before.
Luz definitely has a different story arc as she really is on a journey about finding her place. She just didn't seem to fit in the human realm, but seemed to fit in better on the boiling isles. She had the opportunity to return home at first, which is why she wasn't worried about going home. When she did lose that option to go home, Luz did try to find means to return home, while also trying to help Eda, because she blamed herself for Eda getting captured by Belos and losing her magic. This eventually led to Luz meeting and helping Philip Whittebane. When Luz learned that Philip was Belos, she couldn't help but blame herself for everything bad that was about to happen in the boiling isles because of Philip. That made her all the more determined to stop Philip's draining spell, but in the end, Luz's efforts didn't stop the draining spell and Belos almost killed her and her friends. It was King who freed the Collector, who in turn defeated Philip and stopped the draining spell, but it left the boiling isles at the mercy of a potentially bigger threat, and Luz had even more self-loathing. Her friends and her mother did help Luz, but it took time. Hunter told her that even if Luz hadn't helped him, Philip would have just tricked someone else into helping him because that's what he consistently does. Amity, Gus, and Willow were good as a support system for Luz. Camila was as well, and helped her daughter Luz to realize that all she really wanted was to be understood. That realization helped Luz to redeem the Collector, and it allowed Luz, King, and Eda to finally defeat Belos, with help from Raine. Luz was able to have a more balanced life in 2 worlds.
This was a good informative retrospective look at how different the character arcs of Anne Boonchuy and Luz Noceda were from each other. While I do agree that Anne's character arc was a positive change arc, I don't think Luz was simply a negative change arc. At the end of the day, Anne's story is about accepting change and even loving yourself, while Luz's story is more about finding one's place and accepting herself. That's what I got out of their stories. Similar yet different. Forever connected.
I don't see Anne starting out as a "bad person" so much as, paraphrasing the chat with the principal, "taking the easy route. It's easy!" She's easygoing and kind of gullible, with a warped idea of what friendship is due to Sasha's influence. She's also just really young and you get the impression she hasn't really faced consequences for her actions before (like with the principal she expected to get out with a warning like both her friends did and likely repeatedly did in the past). So she's really impulsive and only realizes halfway into it "oh, that might've been a bad idea. Oops. I'm not used to making my own decisions."
*SPOILERS FOR MARCY'S JOURNAL*
Anne's portion of the book stated that she wasn't TOTALLY ignoring the whole Marcy situation--she just couldn't afford to dwell too much on the heavier events from True Colors or else she might break down, and then she'd be no help to anyone. After Anne-sterminator, some of the burden of keeping this from her parents was lifted
(Also, the Boonchuys acted as a plot-relevant support system to Anne and provide occasional comedic relief. In my opinion, that justifies their place in the show)
That's true.
Not to mention, after reading Marcy’s previous entries, she felt guilty about not her being the best of friend for Marcy, she even realized that she (and Sasha) unintentionally did hurt her in some way, forcing Marcy to keep herself quiet about her thoughts, personal needs and her motives.
I believe that’s the reason why Anne was more willing to forgive Marcy in “The Beginning of The End”
@@veronicapiccinini7956 That and her previous experience with moral complexity and forgiveness during the whole “Hop Pop and The Music Box” incident
Fair enough my fellow commenter.
Fair enough
I feel like that information should’ve been shown in some capacity because to a simple viewer’s perspective, she’s in absolute denial over what happened and it is completely ignored.
“Too trusting and too kind”
I think you’re looking for the word Naive which means (of a person or action) showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgment.
I'd actually say that Luz's character arc in season 1 was a positive one, rather than a flat one
She starts out like a legitimate reckless and irresponsible menace (like seriously, unleashing snakes at her school), but over the season she learns to be more responsible with her actions.
Then she starts to go into the opposite extreme tho.
*4:41* I wholeheartedly agree with this opinion and have been saying that for over a year and it's probably the most perfect way you could've put it in. Season one of Amphibia isn't filler. It introduces the cast of characters that will be seen in the future and really takes time to fledge them out, also giving a lot of fun and charming interactions with different characters and gradually introducing this extremely interesting and unique world and all its aspects. Honestly, the world of Amphibia is so interesting I could see the show being 5 times longer and it still staying interesting and fresh. So much stuff to do with an alien world inhabited by amphibians, giant insects and avians, so many threats to come up with and so much interesting world building to be had.....
I am very late to the party and still watching the video but it was very clear to me that Luz was depressed in S1 "do you have any friends? Real ones, not imagined or drawn or reptilian?" "Where am I? Did I die? Am I in the bad place" also the whole E2S1 ep"why would you wanna live in a place where people laugh at you?" Just because she seems happy doesn't mean she isn't depressed. Anyways, great vid, keep up the good work!
I don't recall if this was pointed out to her at any point in the series, but if Luz hadn't helped Philip, it would've been someone else. Belos might still have learned the light glyph anyway, and then everyone on the boiling isles would be dead, and The Collector would've remained trapped. Luz's role in Belos's plans is what saves everyone.
Anne: "Are you saying that in 78 years I'm gonna-" Disney: " WOAH HOLD IT."
Cool video, In my weird opinion I see Anne similar to Iron Man, Selfish until thrown into a situation were they are changed or convinced to take responsibility and grow as a person ultimately making a sacrifice; and Luz similar to Steven Universe, Plain goof character who's there to change and support other people until their actions and trauma make them spiral into depression blaming themselves for all the horrible things until they get therapy or a hug/pep talk from those they care about.
Great job on the video
That’s a great way of describing both characters and their respective arcs
Very good. The overseers are pleased with your progress.
15:49 That shot still hurts. You can see the shift from "my girlfriend is so awesome" to "No, bad Luz, you're not allowed to be happy."
What benefits these arcs is that the shows gradually show what made the girls they way they started out on the shows as. Anne being in a toxic friendship with Sasha and Marcy, the former giving Anne an unrealistic idea of what values a friendship held. Anne finally understands in the season finale that she needs to stand up to her friend, the aftermath being where Sasha herself strives to be a better person.
Luz spent a good amount of time being raised by a single parent, and even longer having unusual interests that didn’t endear her to her peers. As she becomes more self-aware of the consequences of her actions in the Boiling Isles for others she reflects more on how she’s been for her mother (the pilot episode has Camila called out of work to the principal’s office, not the best thing for a single mother raising a teenager on one wage) and not made things easy, overcompensating in the present by undertaking a dangerous task to be sure she is pulling her weight for Eda. Thanks to Them also reveals her obsession with the Azura books is in memory of her late father, combining remembrance with escapism.
Well Luz does show other flaws other than too kind, she also lies to people and tries too hard to please her friends the way she thinks she should
She also brought fireworks to school. That was messed up.
@@genericname2747 And live snakes. And then lost one of the snakes, which went on to bite another student. So she can be reckless to the point of endangering others.
Being a bird as your character makes this so much better lol
You should read Marcy's Journal if you haven't already as it gives us a better insight on how Anne felt after true colours and just overall its a very good read and gives us a lot more on Marcy. Good vid btw!
I shall do that! Already seen a few of the highlights from the community as a whole, but it definitely deserves a read.
I love that the moral of Watching and Dreaming is "smash fascism by becoming a furry", so true bestie
Owl House, Amphibia, Gravity Falls, and Rick and Morty are all connected.
Reasons:
The Owl House appears near the end of Amphibia during the time the crazy scientist's portal was shown to them. (Mostly the side-screens)
Gravity Falls appears in Amphibia as well, being Bill Cipher in the book Marcy had read and skipped a few pages.
Amphibia appears in The Owl House as the side of a newspaper, near the beginning, I think.
Finally, Gravity Falls appears two times in Rick and Morty. One time when they opened multiple portals to hide, one of the portals had a mug, notepad, and pen fall out, like seen in Gravity Falls.
The other time being on a screen that shows a triangle with a top hat, don't remember the context of that episode.
Yup. And since Rick and Morty is connected to Fortnite, well- that means they're all technically connected to Marvel, DC, Star Wars, Dragon Ball, MHA, Naturo, Stranger Things, and IRL XD
Whats funny is that I don’t watch Rick and Morty
@@garrettjackson1451 I also don't, I just know about it from UA-cam Shorts.
In the Owl House season 2 finale Camila’s tablet shows a headline referencing Anne as having been in another world, suggesting this takes place after Anne, Sasha and Marcy have returned to Earth for good.
Eda is Grunkle Stan’s ex, when she went by the name Marilyn.
I wouldn't say Anne wasn't a "stuck up mean girl" at the beginning, more so just someone who was lazy and kinda just coasting through life, she didn't really take advantage of people for malicous purposes, but just because she only thought of herself.
That still makes her selfish, manipulative, impulsive, reckless, and irresponsible though, lol. While may not have been straight up "mean", she still certainly wasn't a good person at the start. One of her defining character flaws prior to coming to Amphibia was that she was self-centered.
I wish we had more time in the last season, it hurts that it was so short so that we can't truly feel with Luz, and see the download spiraling of the time that followed her and her friends being trapped in the human world. All of the attempted failures at returning, all of the way things went wrong piling on her, as well as the few victories she had during that time such as coming out to her mom.
in the end it honestly felt like there was just a sharp plummet as more was piled on her that we didn't get to see.
I didn't ever thought of these things... Really great video describing everything in a really clearful way.
I love your analysis on The two main characters of two of my favorite storydriven cartoons. I'm making my own storydriven cartoon in the future, and by you explaining the positives flaws and general thoughts of Anne boonchuy and Luz noceda's Arcs. It's people like you that give my hope and help for writing and thanks for that. Also this is a nice video, keep it up.
I truly believe you are a real crow and finally free being you
Dang where is the Amphibia love at? Owl House is good but come on comments I wanna see Amphibia love too. Anne's story is given too little credit, a girl thrust into a world and learns to adapt. She was originally disgusted and could care less about the world of Amphibia. By the end, she was willing to sacrifice herself if it mean saving the world she grew to love.
It's comically disproportionate across most of these comparison videos, lol. You can tell not as many Amphibia fans were able to find this channel, unfortunately.
@@ultimatesora4467Have you seen most of videos? He trashes Amphibia plenty.
@@ultimatesora4467you sound more toxic than he does with this long ass assuming comment of personal attacks
There's one thing I took from this video. And that thing is that Luz is a scrunkly lil' child.
This is such a good analysis!!! I love seeing how they are foils of each other!!
I was watching the first part talking about the different arcs right after watching a Steven universe video, and I’ve realized that Steven kind of goes through all of them (except the flat one of course)
15:55 ....that scene....when I watch it, it reminds Beyonce something to my own life. Something that I experienced. Something that I did. Something that I completely related to because that exact scenario happened to me. The scenario wasn't exactly the same. But it was something similar. I freaked out and I spiraled because of something that wasn't my fault that I thought was my fault. This is what's solidified Luz as my favorite character in all of fiction. It's because of how much I relate to her and her story. Not the Fantastical aspects, of course, but yeah.
Love hearing the DKCR OST throughout the video. Such an underrated sound track
And neither it nor the DKC:TF OST ever seem to get snapped up by the copyright ninjas, so I'm VERY thankful for that XD
@@themadmagpie1742 Well at least there's positives for your favourite game being forgotten
Ok, what’s up with all the PNG animal YTbers popping up and being fun to watch??
But in regards to video topic, great job. Watching both shows more or less at the same time made for quite an experience, two similar stories yet quite different protagonists and I think you put in words my thoughts pretty well, so just posting this small comment to boost the algorithm, Cheers.
I think you're too hard on Anne. She did save sprig when she first met him and through the montage in the flashback of the real world, she wasn't comfortable with Sasha stealing money or with the graffiti. She was more like a victim of peer pressure. She was just a naive 13 year old. Plus, she wasn't spoiled for all I know. She has been told no to stuff before. For me, she was a kind person who had her good qualities wrapped in order to stay friends with people she loves at the wrong time.
9:50 Wanna hear a joke? Here goes: My ex-wife still misses me... But her aim is getting better! HeR aIm Is GeTtInG bEtTeR!! You see, it's funny cause marriage is terrible.
14:14 This one says I'm a witch with a dark side, while this one says I'm an otter... With a dark side.
16:54 Do not underestimate me Belos, for I am the Good Witch Luz, child of the Human Realm, student of the Demon Realm, and warrior of peace. Now eat this suckaahh!!!!
Great video. I have watched both of these shows, and I think that the main reason for the different courses the story takes (even though they have a very similar premise) is the character’s goals and the lessons they had to learn along the way. Anne was always just trying to get home, and along the way she needed to gain maturity, where as Luz was a loner looking for somewhere she belonged on her journey of self discovery. I could go on all day about this, but it’s these differences that are the core of the differing story paths.
I have kind of noticed that Anne really wanted to get home no matter what, but Luz really delayed going home for as long as possible.
I like Anne, she and Sprig are my favorite characters from anything ha ha.
8:06 Just wanna add, the pronounciation was actually good
Luz never saw herself as a villain till the end of Season 2 beginning of Season 3. It was there that she thought all her actions were hurting rather than helping others.
Anne never really thought about her situation beyond wanting to fit in with her friends and having fun. Anne found that she had more to offer and learned not only to love herself but to love others.
Luz knew this but lost her way. It wasn't till she realized her actions didn't control others, it was their decisions to do harm and take advantage of Luz. She learned she can't control others which made her realize she was a good person, like she always was.
When you explained Anne’s arc it sounded more like Sasha’s arc to me
Ok so, I’m gonna go over some parts that maybe overlooked. Anne at 1st was someone who basically was afraid to state her opinion around friends afraid if they will leave them and she would do anything even if they hurt her. When she found amphibia she felt as if she was safe and actually have friends, but deep down she blames herself for her friends and the interactions. When Sasha betrayed Anne, Anne forgave her type next time, Anne kept forgiving people till the point she couldn’t trust anyone. She felt as she wasn’t good for her parents too but she just wanted to be herself. Anne didn’t care if she was too die if she sacrificed herself and she didn’t even think twice because she already accepted that reality to herself. But when she came back, she decided to love herself and care for herself. And she finally got to be the person she loved. Even if that’s not even her real body.
Underrated channel, I suscribed. I love the mascot.
I’m glad that your owl house and amphibia videos are popping off, keep it up and don’t get un-motivated
Great video again! Your analyses are always really great, you deserve a sub!
I like to say that luz became amity season 1 and amity became luz season 1
9:52 got me laughing and crying 😩
It h u r t watching TTT, Luz is my favorite character and the most relatable one to me and seeing her at such a low point mentally really upset me
16:16 This scene makes me cry so hard I relate so much with Luz here
16:46 Same! I cried when Luz died but I was grinning like the cheshire cat during the Titan Luz scene I love it SO MUCH AAAAA
the way you described Anne felt like you were describing Sasha but thats just me
the last minute just mentioning the last season made me cry
and is so true how much she pass threw
both
i loved your analysis, describe the line of the stories directly to the point
Great video and analysis! Loved the bird videos and editing ahah! I would be down to see some ATLA content
When I think of why we like Anne when she starts out as 'not great', I think of Sprig. I think we like Sprig (that's why he was introduced first) and he likes Anne, and she is nice to him in return. So in return *we* also like Anne because she is nice to the person we like and the person we like sees something good in her too.
Good video, keep up the great work
I didn't really noticed much of Anne's growth throughout the show, it was really cool to see you explain it! Time to rewatch the show lol
Lore of Luz and Anne: Two Sides Of The Same Coin momentum 100
I actually think this video is misusing the term "negative arc." A negative arc is usually defined by a character changing for the worse. Luz changes for the better. Her journey may be filled with trauma, grief, and grappling with difficult emotions, but you'd be hard-pressed to make an argument that all of it leads to Luz changing for the worse by the story's end. If she was still depressed and hating herself after the specials, yeah, that's a negative arc! But I think you have to take the full arc into account if you're going to understand what the story is doing and saying
When you explained luz's ark i turned into a waterfall now i am going to go outside and water plants with my tears
Bro i thought i was watching some popular Movie & Shows channel. Your content is amazing, and you deserve more than the subs you get right now.
INCREDIBLE VIDEO!!!!
0:09 Been there. A year ago, I made an Owl House video on my channel. And at over 1,400 views, no other video has even come close to being most viewed on my channel.
Owl House fans be thirsty for content bro, what can I say
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I have a confession to make
I haven’t watched Amphibia yet
Forgive me father for I have sinned (I forgot if this comes first)
The main difference between Anne and Luz is that Luz never started out as mean, she was just...adorably unstable, at times. But the BIG thing they have in common is the lack of love they felt for themselves. They just had different ways of feeling/expressing that in their respective shows.
With Anne, she loved herself so little that she allowed the likes of Sasha to emotionally manipulate her for years. Whereas Luz didn't love herself because the world she lived in didn't give her the positive re-enforcement she needed
Another character I thought of that has a flat arc is Yuga Ohdo from “Yu-Gi-Oh Sevens.” He seemed to be too kind and trusting, in which that worried me, A LOT. But in the end he did make a change in others so I guess it kinda works.
Hm, fair and valid points and opinions, this was very interesting, thanks for the video.
I LOVE THIS AND ITS SO TRUE
Using Frodo as an example of a flat character arc is extremely wrong. By the end of the story he's so beat down by everything he's gone through (the mental stain of the ring, seeing companions die or betray him, the physical wounds from Shelob's sting and the Morgul blade, the guilt of having given in to the ring) that he literally cannot find peace in the Shire anymore and has to go to Valinor in order to find some form of happiness.
I think the reason I resonated so much with Luz is probably because my personality is very similar to her season 1 & 2a, but something happened in my past (of which I have yet to answer what) that triggered a similar spiral...I've been spiraling down the self-loathing train so much, I can't really look at mysekf and say "You're doing great". Luz specifucally spirals from the fear od what she HAS done possibly causing such a terrible event. My spiraling is more paranoid that I am destined to always make wrong tiny decisions, causing my inevitable early demise...a bit morbid compared to Luz, but...I still resonate a lot with her.
I'm trying to get better, and learn to get out of my head, but it's still a long process...as it should, tbh...
This is so true.
I love your accent.
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*BRITISH magpie /j XDD also i luv the gravity falls refrence that one time-
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Love this
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Hey could you rank all the episodes of owl house and amphibia?
It's definitely something I'm considering! Would be a BIG project to do it right, though.
Pretty sick video man. I didn’t really get into The Owl House when I first watched it but when I watched “Hollow Knights,” I was shocked. It’s probably my favorite episode of the entire show. As for Amphibia, I loved it since the first time I watched. Seeing Anne’s growth and how other people grew because she was growing was beautiful.
Hard disagree with anne in s1 being a spoiled rude bad person
That was sasha
Anne was the reluctant follower
And marcy was the minipulitve victim
It's funny that they had an Easter egg to Anne in an owl house episode.
Basically talking about how Anne went missing in an frog world.
Owls make great parents
Honestly, I'm so shocked you only have 5.17k subscribers; you're such an amazing and underrated UA-camr. I truly believe you'll surpass 100k subscribers one day, and maybe even one million. You're such an entertaining UA-camr to watch, and I love your videos. Keep up the amazing work.
Blue skidoo we can too 8:46
great minds think alike
i think liz’s arc had so much more of an impact on me cause it’s more taken seriously imo. Grief and trauma are spotlighted so whenever i see luz break down, talk about her dad, completely shut off it’s so like wow right in the heart. but anne? amphibia doesn’t do too much on traumatic impacts, like you said with the whole marcy thing. Luz would have torn herself up for that but Anne basically forgot that it happened. so whenever i see something in amphibia where they’re crying or having a hard time or anne reflecting it kind of makes me…cringe? It’s just not tackled seriously enough for it to have any impact on me at all-scratch that has a negative impact. idk so when i see her like say look at how far i’ve come i kinda just want to groan. and i don’t want to want to groan i love the show, it’s just the owl house did an AMAZING job of tackling the issues that amphibia kind of again makes me cringe
Actually, while I don’t know which one I like more: Anne *didn’t* forget about what happened to Marcy. In Marcy’s journal it is revealed that Anne read it and began writing in it while in the human world and she explained that it was too painful to think about and she didn’t want to end up breaking down before she could fix it all
Anne didn’t forget. Ppl deal with grief and trauma very differently and Anne’s was denial. That said, there really should’ve been more times she told herself Marcy was still alive. I would’ve liked at least one episode in that long stretch season 3A that shows she actually is thinking about her friends and their parents (why did Marcy’s parents not ask Anne where she was? We at least know Marcy’s parents give some semblance of care).
You also mentioned the crying and the reflecting, and thank you. That’s another issue I had with that series. In Owl House we didn’t need Luz saying “I’ve learned ____” or “I was _____”. Sometimes maybe, but not every single episode. MLP made sure to switch things up by changing up who was talking cuz there were 6 of them, and Fluttershy always learned a different flavor of “no shy, be assertive”. But it worked cuz there was variety.
But in Amphibia, it was mostly just Anne saying a slightly different flavor of the same moral lesson, and it would’ve been fine if she didn’t say it every episode or learned things besides “don’t be irresponsible”, etc. It got so repetitive I couldn’t take it seriously.
yeah, i still wish that maybe they addressed it at all. not head on, maybe show a thing of the journal or something or have anne say it’s too hard to talk about it. that’s just my personal feelings, but I get grieving, and I just think thats where i can pin down why the emotional scenes made me uncomfortable
the magpie in the corner is very weird bc it doesn't have expression or movement besides a few cuts to the camera. if you want some sprite-like character id use more movement/little expressions to get the feeling across. so much as having cartoon eyebrows on the little guy could do a lot. that's probably my biggest gripe, really loved the video.
Luz Noceda, Anne Boonchoy, Molly Mcgee. in the last few years Disney has a lot of shows that star energetic teen girls with Tanned skin and dark brown hair, who befriend supernatural/nonhuman characters.
What an insightful, deep dive into some of the best shows produced by Dis-yo holy shit IS THAT DONKEY KONG?
I remember seeing people say that the reality check camp is a conversion therapy camp which seems not to be the case since Gravesfield is in Connecticut and looked it up and learned that it’s actually banned in Connecticut so it might be a camp for special needs kids who struggle like Luz did while it may sound boring but Luz would of found friends that are in the same situation as her and might of came out unchanged just more mature in expressing herself without getting anyone hurt but I don’t think it would of helped out Luz with her grief she needed a therapist for that
I’m glad you mentioned luzs father reaching out is like my favorite episode mainly for the lumity
Even if Luz's character arc is negative that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Thanks to it she learned how to help and trust those who deserve it. Besides thanks to her developement the colector turned over a new leaf. Anyone that had become fully cynical would have treated him like a menace to eradicate but she basically taught him the diference between good and bad.
“Pearson”
Is this a "Donkey Kong rocket barrel level" ost on the background?
Yeah luz got a new item oh its depression oh no and sheee brakes down yeah that brakedown in school that was yeah how to say it right of the soul like characterwise a solid 6/5 ueah like to hear the toughts that the character has burst out yeah good stuff
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"... if Anne had a way..."
If Anne hadaway...
If Anne Hathaway... o_o
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