Which Cartoon Did Possession Best? An Analysis
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2023
- THIS VIDEO CONTAINS MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE OWL HOUSE, AMPHIBIA, SHE-RA, AND GRAVITY FALLS
Hello again, all! Last time we did a video like this, it was talking about villains being redeemed into heroes- now we go into the opposite! Whether it's through dark magic or advanced technology, our heroes being taken over by a dark evil seems to be a surprisingly common trope in these animated shows. So let's talk about it!
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It's neat to see how the possessions represent the shows as a whole
- Gravity Falls is equal parts comedic and horrifying
- She-ra's is messy but by far the most emotional
- The Owl House gives so many layers to peel back and analyze
And Amphibia incidentally becomes the neglected middle child despite having the most iconic example of possession
i agree with this comment the most.
Amphibia’s was the writers attempt to keep Marcy out of the shown
@@harrybechtle4333what? Why?
none reach the epicity of Plankton possessing SpongeBob to steal the formula
i agree
Duh, it’s OBVIOUSLY Lloyd and Morro from Ninjago
Edit: Also, you’d have 5 Nickles, if we included Lloyd
Iconic show 👏👏👏
You. You get it.
Based and iconic
NO BECAUSE FR!!!!! Plus the whole season was NAMED “Possession” like duh. 🙄
Nah nah nah the little girl and lady bone demon in monkie kid XD
16:45 Hunter's hair is longer because of Belos it's the opposite reason Hunter cut it in the first place, to cut ties with him. You can mostly see when Hunter saw his reflection before cutting his hair, seeing of himself as Caleb and Belos. So the moment he got possessed, Belos got rid of anything "Hunter," turning him back into his "perfect" version of Celeb.
If that makes any sense.
I would also like to add Hunter cutting his hair is a symbolisation of him becoming his own person. So Belos growing out his hair during his possession adds another juicy layer of Belos stripping away Hunter's individuality. Belos is also shaping Hunter to the idealised version of Caleb, forcefully taking control.
wait I just realized I just realized I just rephrased what you mentioned 😭
Nah lmao, thats all fan speculation, it's just that being possessed by Belos causes your hair to grow incredibly quickly, as shown by both Hunter *AND* Raine, probably just because Belos himself has long hair and it's supposed to make them look "more like Belos", That's literally it, that's all there is.
none reach the epicity of Plankton possessing SpongeBob to steal the formula
It's kinda funny because he did kinda become like Caleb in the end
- has long hair
- is dating a witch
- carves wood
It's a little disappointing because he had previously shown an interest in sewing, but I guess Belos traumatized that out of Hunter💀
Marcy being stabbed was the biggest shock for me. And im amazed it got past the censors, considering how strict they were on Gravity Falls.
By now I’ve learned from GF, TOH, and Amphibia that it doesn’t matter how bad the onscreen injuries are, as long as the blood is green or non-existent, it’s gonna get past censors.
@@the_demon149I learned that from Infinity train. Some.... stuff happens
Except that it was completely unnecessary, had very little impact on the story, and was there only so people can point at it and say, "LOOK, IT'S NOT A KIDS SHOW!!!!"
@@valentinkambushev4968 same honestly, it was just for shock value. It was very shocking though so it did its job.
@@valentinkambushev4968 I think it was more to make the fact that Andrias metaphorically stabs Marcy in the back more impactful when he LITERALLY stabs her in the back as she was trying to mend things
You did get somethings wrong about Bipper-
1. It DOES actually further develop characters- specifically Mable. Because at the end we see her do something she NEVER does. And that's sacrifice what she wants for Dipper. We only see her do that again during Weirdmageddon. It's good development because afterwards- (Unless it's her bubble) she does tone it down quite a lot. Of course she's human and relapses into her bad behavior at the end of the show. But yk she's 12.
2. It does further advance the plot, because Bill technically did his end of the deal and that's how they find out Old man Mcgucket (I swear that is such a hard name to spell-) is the owner of the laptop, and he rebuilds it and it's the countdown for the portal which brings Ford into the picture. If they had not know about Mcgucket SO MANY THINGS would be different about how that went about and possibly changed the course of the show.
3. It **does** forward Bill's plan because hindsight is 20/20 and he needed that portal to go off for the rift to exist. It just also happened to free Ford, WHICH also becomes a big part of his plan because he needed Ford for the equation for the weirdness field over Gravity Falls.
4. While it seems like it's an excuse for Bill to mess around in Dipper's body, technically that's how they **wanted** people to view it because this show was ALLLLL about mystery and the surprise of what something seemingly meaningless can lead into! (Love Alex sm for this show)
5. Bill wanted to destroy the journals most likely because of Ford's broken deal. Other then that, it was so that they would possibly protect it more and keep that portal going. Not gonna lie, this is just a small theory of mine but yk. Also could be about hurting the enemy with what they love being destroyed or even a red heiring for the audience and the characters.
Overall for me personally Hunter and Dipper's possessions tie completely.
Also would feel a bit unexpected if in the end Bill tried do possess. I dont remember if Ford was already with the twins but still this way feel more natural to him possess someone
@@platinumg.8614 Sock opera is a few episodes before we get Ford. You're possibly thinking of Grunkle Stan who took his brothers name
@@isme1287 I am using Ford because I forgot "Stan" name
Another thing, Bill would have absolutely killed Dipper as soon as Dipper’s use to him was done
I’m most surprised that Disney let Marcy getting stabbed, sure, flapjack was a cute animal companion, but Marcy’s moment was LITERALLY just straight up child murder
Yeah, we've seen cute animals die in Disney. Princess And The Frog has a funny firefly squished to death.
Never seen a kid get murdered in a Disney film. It's been implied (Mulan has a little girl die) but never shown.
yup one of the most tramatizing things in a disney show, and i still cant watch that ep bc of that scene of pure disturbing and trama i have from it
*Attempted* child murder
@JayFan1800 somehow I was just like wow that happened.
Yeah, it was pretty bad that the next scene was Anne happy about having G5 and everyone knowing Marcy was alive. It blunted all the impact of that incredible scene :/
Possessed hunter was a TREAT animation wise.. you know right off the bat a scene is gonna be great in the owl house if the animation quality suddenly increases
Each of the possessions have meaning in them.
Marcy was afraid of being alone and she ended up being the perfect host for an amalgamation of all the greatest minds in Amphibia to achieve their dark and greedy conquests to feel that they are securing a legacy of greatness but is actually paved with blood. Marcy wanted to live in a fantasy world were everything was fun and full of adventure, but she was unaware of the actual cracks in her friendship with Anne and Sasha due to how lost in the zone she can be. When she realized that she could have had everything she wanted in the mindscape of the Core, she knew it was not real and that what she did to try and keep her friendship intact was actually hurting it she made the mature choice to accept that people are not going to like the same things as she does.
Catra is someone who has suffered and done a lot of bad things. She was raised in a place where any form of vulnerability is seen as weakness would be reprimanded. She only wanted to prove her worth and not be abandoned but the one person she ever let in left her alone in a toxic and miserable place. Catra tried to please the wrong people, but they were never satisfied and she did not make it easy for herself. Horde Prime was someone who could read Catra unlike anyone else. He showed what would happened if she disobeyed him and would go through with it. Catra had time to think and reflect on what she did and when she find out Adora would come to save Glimmer, she decided to save the one person she ever truly let in and loved. When Adora returned to rescue her, she made her stand and would not leave Catra to be in a place that would only cause her pain. Adora was not going to abandoned Catra again and Catra, while scared, was able to start slowly healing from all the trauma she had gain in the past.
Dipper wanted answers so badly that he ended up making a deal with Bill to do so. However, he ended up being stripped from his body and have it be stolen by Bill. Dipper realized that the only one who could help was his sister Mabel, who was obsessed with some boy who makes out with his puppets. Dipper was willing to perform her play so she could get Journal 3 to help him get his body back. But Bill found and threaten her to give him the journal or else he would ruin her show. Mabel was going to do it but after Bill pointed out "who would give up everything for their sibling?" Mabel realized she was being selfish and did what her brother always did for her. After Dipper got his body back and Bill was vanquished, Mabel apologized to her brother and it helped them both be more careful when it comes to others.
Hunter only ever had Belos as his only 'family' and only ever wanted to help people. He had his entire life planned out and it gave him some assurance of what he would look forward to. But he is just a kid and was pretty much tired all the time with his eyebags being a prime example. Hunter could not accept that his 'uncle' was an evil person until he saw it for himself in Hollow Mind. Before that episode, Hunter got to meet and interact with Luz, Amity, Gus, and Willow, and got to relate to them in a way that helped him greatly. Darius even saw how he should have some fun and "act his age" instead of trying to do what everyone tells him to. When Belos possessed him in Thanks To Them, after Flapjack, his first true friend, be injured gravely, it gave the strength to break free and fight back against his abuser. Hunter realized Belos never cared for anyone but his own delusional goals and fought, stating what he wanted to do in life and finally stand up to the person that hurt him and the people he's come to see as family. A true family
One of the things the Bipper possession does is: it establishes that Bill can possess people. Ik it sounds silly, but this is what makes some of of the later events work without the audience going "wait since when is that a thing".
There's of course Blendin who got possessed and which is why Bill was able to trick Mabel into giving him the rift, but more importantly:
Ford. We find out in the Last Mabelcorn that Ford used to let Bill possess him. Because Dipper also had this experience, we know that Ford isn't lying out of his ass, well he could, but we at least know that this is something that's possible. This both helps to contextualize Bill and Ford's relationship in the past *and* lets Dipper and Ford bond more due to the shared trauma.
Additionally, this is also very important for the finale: because of previous possessions, Ford installed a metal plate in his head. Because of this, Bill can't just go into his brain and steal the formula to leave the bubble around Gravity Falls and destroy the world; *and* it prevents Ford's memory from being erased with the memory gun, which is why Stanley *had* to be the one to make that sacrifice.
You know, horde prime said he considered using catra as a main vessel or some shit.
Horde prime wants to be a cat girl. It's cannon.
omg it's lliterally the catgirl loving nazi internet archetype...
@@user-zz7cy1gc6vI mean, Schrödinger from Hellsing Ultimate was a thing sooo…🤔
@@davidkoudelka10he’s a cat boy not a cat girl
@@shadow1249 I know, at the time I was writing it I thought it was implied I knew lol sorry.😂
@@davidkoudelka10 just for those who don’t know
I’m surprised no one has brought up White Diamond from Steven Universe because she literally thinks as all gems as her toys and if they fall out of line she “corrects” them by literally mind controlling them
Well Magpie hadn't seen Steven Universe yet at the time of this video
I’ve never watched Steven Universe but that sounds very reminiscent of The Collector from The Owl House
@@Tera677Yeah
*but scarier*
I feel like possessed hunter is another event where the restrictions of cutting season 3 short really comes to play, because possessed hunter i feel could have had so much more time to really soak in if it wasn’t in the last 10 or so minutes of the episode, it could have had its whole own episode if the season 3 restrictions weren’t a thing, but i still feel that the foreshadowing and build up of possessed hunter is actually shown throughout the episode, so I don’t entirely think that it was too short, but we could have had more screen time with the actual possessed hunter if not for the season 3 restrictions
16:45
Belos has always forced the Golden Guards to keep Caleb's haircut, or at least the hair noodle on the forehead, when he saw that Hunter cut it, he forced his hair to grow back quicker to make him look like Caleb again, it's such a neat design choice, quite literally reverting his growth as a person.
Also, can we talk about how Belos hurt hunter purposely here? Like, even if they're stronger than Hunter, Raine was still barely hurt from the possesion after at least a few hours, but Belos quite literally started eating at Hunters' body with anger, quite literally BREAKING HIS SKULL WITH THE ANTLERS, it's him trying to get full control over Hunter, taking over him not just from the inside, but the outside as well.
Hair noodle 😂
You just made me even more sad for Hunter than I already was 😔.
That is PURELY conjecture. There's no indication that Belos forced the Golden Guards to keep a particular haircut. In fact, we explicitly see that's not the case when he hallucinates them (alongside Caleb) during For The Future as he crawls through his hideout. They all have very unique looking haircuts. Hunter looking so much like Caleb was actually implied to be a unique occurrence based on Belos' dialogue in Hollow Mind. _"Out of all the Grimwalkers, you were the one who looked the most like him."_
Personally, I saw the less damage to Raine being more due to puppetification than a revenge attempt. She only seemed to get the marks after she became human again, which was the tail end of her possession. I also see his body manipulation as expediting the process, because the scarring seemed worse in the parts Belos manipulated. It’s all conjecture, but I think it makes sense
@@thomasfrye6335raine uses they/them pronouns btw! :)
Fun fact it was actually confirmed that Catra died from the fall, meaning she passed in Adora's arms. We only see her alive later on because She-Ra brought her back to life
i got to say darcy was probably the best one because her possesion was sort of foreshadowed in that sleepover episode and also because marcys possesion sequence was definitely one of the most darkest scenes in disney channels existence, also darcy was pretty badass in all in
I think, visually and emotionally, (that is, the one with the big feels), Marcy's possession was the best one; the most impactful for me was probably Hunter's though, because we'd just seen the poor guy go through a lot in the last few episodes alone, and had spent a good chunk of the episode trying to cut ties with Belos and move on from him, only to have the jerk possess him and force him to work for him again, to quite literally reverse his growth as a person.
definitely, marcy in true colors was really desperate for anne and sasha to forgive her that she realized all the mistakes she made, and that's what made the scene emotional. not to mention marcy was probably everyone's favourite charafter back when season 2 aired (I think she is still beloved) so it probably hit more to fans when marcy got possessed in olivia and yunan. also hunter did go through a lot, but I feel like they could've extended how he was feeling through various episodes but then again it is disneys fault. he witnessed all the lies that belos did in hollow mind and then went through more trauma in labyrinth runners. and also that one scene in kings tide where hunter still wants to believe that belos is a good person (im talking about the scene where belos says "hunter, why are you hurting me i only wanted to help you"). mustve been really hard for hunter to nit believe in him since he listened to him basically all of his life. oh yeah hunters palisman margaret died and that hit a lot of fans including me too. also hunter who nearly died if it wasn't for flapjacks sacrifice
I have a copy of the journal 3, and there Mabel attached a note left by Bipper in the car.
There, Bill stated that after he gets bored of having a body he would straight up kill dipper's body, leaving dipper's soul abadoned forever and making anyone believe he went insane if they started to suspect any change.
Also, Bill's main plan was to get the diary and destroy it, as Bill is the type of villain that destroys anything that reveals his altermotives, as Stanford and Dipper both exposed him in there.
I want to add that if you pay attention to the Northwest Mansion episode you start noticing that Bill left a physical and mental "invisible" scar on Dipper's mind and body. Pay close attention to Dipper's body language especially at the part he's talking to Old Man McGuket. It's too confident and cocky of a stride and body language to belong to Dipper, it's too strangly out of place; its a direct "negitive" energy of sorts Bill left behind that's still effecting Dipper. Ford seems to have more mental scarring than Dipper from Bill, but its still there. I think its more of paying attention to small details I mean Ford is traumatized by Bill. He gets so scared he starts ramping up house protection and keeping secrets (not that that's new to his character) from almost everyone.
That’s very true
It's nice to see someone who makes these kinds of videos that looks at things from every angle, you don't just focus on the negatives and even go out of your way to point out a character's strengths and weaknesses.
Most people I've seen who do this are just: "this is why this character's arc is bad" or "This episode was written badly and here's why"
You on the other hand look at everything from motivation to character design to the reactions of other characters, openly admitting your biases and opinions rather than trying to find reasons to make them fact.
It's really helpful to people who are trying to get a better sense of the show/story as a whole and hoping understand good writing on a level that's much deeper than one individual aspect of a character or episode.
Anyone notice how the characters that get possessed are usually the most traumatized…
Dipper is only 12 and I have a feeling he’ll need a bit of therapy after surviving the apocalypse, even if it wasn’t for that long.
I haven’t watched She-ra recently but I don’t think it takes long to realise how MESSED UP Catra is
Marcy was about to be separated from her friends, got stabbed, Anne and Sasha basically acted like they hated her and, correct me if I’m wrong, aside from moving it all happened in one episode
I don’t think I have to get into Hunter’s trauma or we’ll be her all day.
What I take away from this is that there are just certain characters the writers want to put into therapy. Also Pacifica is undoubtedly more traumatized than Dipper so we’re gonna go with top 5 most traumatized…
the more traumatized = the more fans love them = the more fans **le gasp** when their favorite character gets to suffer more
@@doomfox6241 writers hate fan favorites 💀🤣
Either that or people just love traumatized characters haha
Fitting then that for these characters, possession is a turning point to realize how much they are loved. Mabel sacrifices her sock opera knowing Dipper would do the same for her. Adora rescues Catra despite Catra believing she's too far gone. Sasha forgives Marcy the moment she's free, even after her betrayal. And Hunter was brought back from death after his closest friend deemed his life as irreplaceable.
@@thecheck968 I actually haven’t thought of it that way… it’s so poetic
Ehh idk if Dipper counts since the guy looks into these things and inevitably draws trauma to them. Man raised the dead to make a point.
Especially if we are saying the “most traumatized”, dipper doesn’t fit the bill at all. Ford and Stan fit it better (and Ford was indeed possessed). It’s more like those 2 invite problems.
The one that left the most impact on me was definitely Horde Prime possessing Catra.
I still think Chipped Spinnerella should've been able to one-shot everyone else in the Resistance.
Another thing I really love about Witch Hunter/Possessed Hunter's design is that in the darkness, the antlers with his pointed ears gives the appearance of a deer. It's relatively insignificant, but I find it to be such a neat affect!
I say I’m most surprised that the ancient sins didn’t get changed as the other two are either shadows or something like that in gravity falls it’s straight BLOOD that is STREAMING FROM THE EYES AND MOUTHS
I love your pfp
It's even funnier when you remember they weren't allowed to show blood in Dipper vs Manliness
as a shera fan im desperate for content like this, not blind prising not overblown hate(not from neckbeards but from people like Lilly orchard), perfectly balanced
fr, I love (hate lol) how people pretend this show is a disater just because Catra's redemption was not very good, but exploiting this show's flaws and issues is important too, basically, I agree with you
@@glimmerstantroop46321 i also hate how many people bring up incest as an additional argument for why canonness of catradora is problematic, like i kinda see why they see it this way, but its not really valid tbh the main issue of catradora is its questionable messaging on forgiveness for abusers, like even if catra is not going to relapse into her old ways applying this to real life could be dangerous for people in abusive relationship
@@user-zz7cy1gc6v I totally agree, that argument makes absolutely no sense and seems to just be a backup spark for Catra salters, also, as u said, that is not even the real issue why bring that up instead of focusing on the main issue lol
@@glimmerstantroop46321 her redemption was a bit too fast and I think would work a bit better if they had more time
Or didn’t go so in on the damage she caused. Would’ve been even better if they could undo the big problem she caused that went unresolved by the ending. I like to imagine they fixed it lol
@@ma.2089 I agree, also Bow and Glimma instantly becoming buddies w/her was a tad bit unrealistic, they should have had an episode or two of uneasiness especially considering that Bow had a hard time forgiving Glimmer for what she did despite loving her
I think the most impactful example of possession has to be from the Radiance from Hollow Knight. Possessing one person is bad enough, but making an entire kingdom of bugs fall under your command through a hivemind, it definitely takes the cake for the most creepy and terrifying. Imagine being unable to fall asleep, due to a sickness of Light in your dreams that is forcing you and everyone else to become little more than a zombie for life, all your thoughts and feelings taken over and swept away. That’s horrifying to imagine, especially since such a thing in real life would be unstoppable. One of the reasons that Hollow Knight is so good is that it flips the script on the “light is good, dark is bad” cliche that many franchises follow, instead moving to make the light the main antagonist, and the darkness a tool for the protagonist to bring down the villain.
We also see our friend slowly get possessed. She starts out singing, and slowly quiets down until nothing remains.
Hollow knight is so so beautiful oh my god
But that's a video game
@@thefirstone4864 Still good possession though
Hunter hair does get longer, that’s belos regrowing Caleb’s signature hair thingy, something belos has been shown, in subtext of course, to care greatly about when he says he looks the most like him and when we see other golden guards the only real difference is the hair.
I think the other thing to be considered for Belos/Hunter is that the reason that sequence was so terribly short is because of the severely limited screen time Disney actually allowed the show for its final episodes. They had to squash a whole season’s worth of story into just over two and a half hours’ worth of runtime. It also explains why he ‘drowned’ immediately after hitting the water (it can be inferred that Belos/Philip never learned to swim given the time he grew up in but even then, there would be more struggling than just plain passing out). I’d like to think it would have been given a full episode of the show hadn’t been cancelled (DAMN IT DISNEY).
I think an argument could be made that the whole "teenager gets possessed by villain" could have been inspired by Riku-Ansem from Kingdom Hearts. He was technically the first Disney teen to go through possession and a lot of the tropes are similar: change of outfit, voice becomes creepy and layered, forcing them to fight their best friend.
Speaking of Kingdom Hearts I feel like Terranort it better, especially in the final episode in Radiant Garden
4:59 As a person who has the Journal. I can inform the people who don’t know. In one of the pages there is a paper taped to the page. Which Bill wrote while in Dipper body. It stated how fun possession is aswell as how he planned on making Dipper jump from the water tower. So it would look like Sui- you know. The note ends of with ”Would you like to join him Shooting Star”. Shooting Star being the nickname for Mabel.
The Owl House's possession design is special bc it brings back Hunters little hair noodle, which was always kind of a symbol of Belos's control over him. Hunter always wanted to get rid of it, but it looked too much like Belos's brother for Belos to ever let him. When Hunter left, he got a new hair cut to further distance himself from what Belos wanted him to be, but then Belos brings it back when he possesses him. That's why his hair gets longer when he gets possessed.
Definitely Bill ... he even had a plan to “end off” Dipper by throwing his body from the water tower ... he laughed about it thinking that everyone would think that Dipper went insane and committed suicide ... he even told Mabel if she wanted to join her brother ... truly a terrifying Demon !
I like watching your videos simply so I can better understand how character development and character motivation works so I can get better at writting.
I think Hunter being possessed by Philip was unexpected, yet a good possession, despite being short lived. It was great to see Hunter stand up to Philip.
Catra being possessed by Horde prime is a decent possession that hurts Adora physically and psychologically, which almost led to Catra's death.
Bipper is definitely a favorite of mine because of how Bill was deliberately damaging Dipper's body because it was fun, along with trying to destroy the third journal possibly to prevent Dipper from finding out about the portal and trying to stop it like he nearly did in the episode "not what he seems", how Bipper was being cryptic around Dipper's friends and family without them knowing, and his dark plans for Dipper after he was done with his body.
I ultimately think that the best possession was Darcy, which had the main villain of Amphibia possess the body of Marcy Wu, a fan favorite character, essentially making Marcy the villain, which is almost poetic since she brought Anne and Sasha with her to Amphibia without their consent. Not only that, but Darcy's access to Marcy's memories gave them some knowledge of the characters, while also being able to psychologically manipulate the characters. While I wish we had more Darcy moments, the Darcy moments we got managed to make nearly every moment count, especially when Darcy battled Sasha.
i mean, yeah i agree, although i still have some issues with say darcy, more or so cause you know, theyre supposed to be this antagonist but we dont see them doing much stuff and it felt like really wasted opportunity most of the time, specially with marcy fighting and resisting the core, wich felt weird in my opinion
@@felipequaresma4215 fair enough, but I still stand by what I said. Darcy may not have had as much screen time as they could and should have had, but they made good the time that they did have.
Also Darcy's lines are so iconic:
"Let's rumble, girlfriend.
"Don't be silly you're not friends not anymore and examining Marcys memories. Its doubtful you ever were
Literally every possession in these cartoons: "OH LOOK AT ME! I'M A PERSON NOW!"
I mean if im showing off to friends that i can possess cats, the first thing id probably say is "Look at me! Im a cat now! Gonna knock things off tables and scratch your couch now"
My favorite possession's definitely Morro from Ninjago. While not too layered, that whole season gave you so much insight into his character, both directly and indirectly, why he's so bitter and jealous, but eventually letting go and moving on
I wish possession arcs were given more time in shows. Usually, when a main character gets possessed by a major villain, not enough is done with them imo. Maybe they get an episode or a chapter, others might even get a season, but most only get a couple minutes which frustrates me. There's opportunities for different character dynamics and relationships, developing characters, new designs, the interesting reasons behind a possession and the drama and angst that comes with an old friend being used as a puppet by the villain against the main heroes they once fought with as well as the aftermath that comes after the main characters set them free. Like what if the possessed character killed, or if you don't want someone to die, severely injured one of their old allies during their possession? What if the villain uses their voice to emotionally manipulate and toy with the heroes? What if they destroy something valuable the heroes cherished, i.e. their hometown, a place they all cherished, or an item they needed to help defeat the villain? While no one would outright blame the character for what they did during their possession since they had no control over their actions, it would cause tension within the group and the formerly possessed to feel immense guilt over doing such things as they realise they can't so easily return to the fun, easygoing dynamic they had before.
Though sadly, this doesn't happen because most writers don't want to have a character depicted as evil for too long and/or want them to lose control over their character for too long. I might be wrong, but I want to see more fleshed-out villain possession arcs in the future instead of only getting a few, spitting minutes with the concept before everything goes
NINJAGO season 5 does this quite well if you want to watch it.
@@killerbean6254 (Spoilers if anyone cares) Yeah, Lloyd gets possessed by Morro? I used to watch Ninjago as a kid but I don't remember much about it. I should prob rewatch some of it
@@jemjimjam5444 not really a spoiler, it happens episode 1
@@killerbean6254 Ik, but in case someone got mad over it for some reason
@@killerbean6254 eh kinda ?? morro is his own character, its not like lloyd himself changes in his interactions w the team (from what i remember) its just basically morro using his body
Lets not forget the true champion of possessions: Scratch. It's absolutely terrifying how casually he is doing it.
I only know one character called scratch and that’s the ghost form the ghost and molly McGee is that who you mean
@@SpinxieShroom yup, that's the one
I think with Bipper, destroying the laptop was him fulfilling his part of the deal, as the Pines Twins found a key clue in the destroyed remains in the following episode, which was what Dipper wanted. While on the other hand, Bipper wanting to destroy the journal was because it had all of the information on Bill that he didn't need people to know, plus the portal was already rebuilt, so it wasn't a necessary thing for Bill's plans anymore.
I've not seen Amphibia, but I think the stabbing was the most shocking. Heck, TV even had a content warning!
I feel like Witch Hunter is the Bipper of Gen Z.
I was like 12 or 11 when Sock Opera aired. Now I'm and adult and I just finished TOH for the first time.
You do get that vibe from him, for sure. The creep factor is there just like with Bipper, as is the absolute jerkwad energy from the villain doing the possession.
I want to see a possessed character that doesn’t have the eyes change. I just want it to feel like they are different in the way like you know somethings wrong with them, but you don’t see anything different with them like bipper but take away the eyes
My fave of the four was possesed Hunter, the buildup was beautiful and the animation present in the fight scene is beautiful
One thing I liked from hunters possession was that earlier on in the episode he promised flapjack that if belos was really there he would protect him but in the end belos killed flapjack through hunter.
one of the things i like about chipped catra acting similarly to regular bad catra is - she's tried to turn over a new leaf and fix things, even if it means laying down her own life. Yet she still finds herself forced to keep doing the same thing, even though she now hates it and would rather die than keep doing it
A 12 y/o that was possessed by a talking 1-eyed ranch dorito chip
A smart asf 13 y/o possessed by a talking ai that wants to take world domination
A very traumatized, mentally and physically scared, 15 y/o possessed by a goopy blob that quote "needs a new body"
A uh,,, (i havent watched she-ra ok 😭) someone named Catra got possessed by uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh something 😭
nice
This comment made me wonder, how old are She-ra’s characters??? The always struck me as older
@@marorozco9706Adora and Catra are 17-18 at the start and 20-21 at the end of the series, and Horde Prime is really old
I would recommend watching she-ra. It's a realy great show
I love how all the characters that get possessed are my favorite
Actually, Bill had a couple of pretty clear reasons to want to destroy journal 3; it would
A: hide critical information about his potential coming, and
B: make him the only one in (well, not in yet,) the real world with the necessary info to make a portal between worlds. Remember, Bill is the one who came up with the portal design in the first place. Destroying the journal gives him exclusive access to that design, and leaves Stan in desperate need of Bill's help, and we all know Bill loves to take advantage of desperate people. He can then offer Stan the chance to build said portal in his timing, on his terms.
another best thing about belos posession: he doesn't go on a mologouge longer than 1 second before killing the bird. he was smart enough to just kill it almost immediately. I hate how villains dont do this in media because they want the hero to survive a frankly, so impossible situation they dug themselves in (being cornered on their back with a 20ft tall demon lord having a sword to their throat) and instead of just killing them, they talk for long enough for that character to become a martyr, or recover enough to activate the mcguffin to go super sayin.
The owl house got that smooth anamation bro
Also in The Dragon Prince, Aaravos possesses Callum and a sunfire elf guard, but in very different ways- for Callum, he takes over his body but idk how to explain what he did to the elf
Magpie:Which of these moments are you most surprised got past the censors that wouldn't allow THIS
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Also, probably Marcy's stabbing but that's just because I never got to that episode in Gravity Falls.
Everybody forgets Lena in Ducktails.
And then there's Erik Forkbeard in Vikingskool, and Brian in Cleopatra in space but ah right. NOBODY EVER WATCHED THOSE GREAT SHOWS 😤
Lena from Ducktales 2017 possession is sooo amazing and heartbreaking to watch!😢
Yes! Lena should count as one as well! That was one of my favorite possession moments, because it was so sad.
@@santosic Same!
The moment that really shocked me that it made it into the show was when Belos took over Hunter’s body, and you could hear the antlers growing from his skull as Belos corrupted and slowly took over Hunter’s body. That legitimately caught me off guard!
Like I am not stupid. I knew that the possession was inevitable due to the set up at the beginning of the episode. But there was something super pervasive about it that legitimately made me uncomfortable. But that is why it is such an impactful moment in a show full of them!
2:28 Bipper is absolutely gold
Bipper: (falls down the stairs)
Congrats on (almost) 10k! I forget how long I've been around, but it's been a great ride seein' ya grow!
I would say Catra's possession was the best. And I think the darkest cartoon scene is the "Ancient Sins" bit
Ok, I was bit skeptical on the negatives of the Catra possession at first cause I REALLY enjoyed Saving the cat but honestly, you got an absolutely interesting point, I didn't think of just... Catra being the same person as possessed Catra for 3/4 of the series. Good content!
Kind of interesting that so much of what is wrong with Witch Hunter is “missed opportunities” and “it being rushed”. It makes sense, considering... that season 3 was majorly cut down. I wonder if they would have done more with Witch Hunter if they had a longer season 3.
Really like this content!!!! Subbed for sure!!!! Your little bird persona is very cute
I’ve always been a huge Amphibia fan, it’s my favourite out of the Disney big 3 (Amphibia, gravity falls, toh). And I think most of that is due to the possession. Sure the core might of not had that much exposition but whilst watching I actually figured out that the core was going to be a issue before it was shown and before marcy was possessed. I think the little tid bits we got shown of darcy before the finale really hit hard to show just how much it was different despite taking some of Marcy’s personality. I’ve not seen she-ra so I can’t put my opinions on it, I feel like witch Hunter was just one shock moment, sure flapjack’s death was dark but it was one moment in the entire part of the possession. It didn’t really hit me that hard, the thing that did was the result of his sacrifice after. And Bipper was really fun and showed us just how dark Bill could get. But Darcy was a 13 year old child locked in a chair whilst her ex father figure forced this helmet upon her whilst she screamed was the real shock moment. And then the fact darcy has 0 sympathy. Villains with 0 sympathy get me and the core is just that. Seeing Sasha fight someone she loves is just so hard, you can tell she knows marcy is in there but for grime’s sake and everyone else’s she has to go all out. I think the scar that hits for the core afterwards is when you can see Sasha’s back scar in the 10 year time skip, it shows just how much damage the core did but also how much they progressed after it.
My take on these:
-Bill Ciphor can only possess someone if he can get them to agree to making a deal (hand shake).
-Catra is a weak minded, self serving, emotionally abusive narcissist that was easy to mind control.
-Hunter was super unlucky that Belos' essence dropped on him without notice but the possession was still horrific.
-Darcy was forcefully possessed after she nearly died (Hunter died when the possession was removed and was quickly revived).
What's with being possessed and dying? Catra was confirmed dead after she fell form the edge in primes ship until shera revived her.
I feel like the core didn’t really need to possess a person It possessed Marcy so she wouldn’t get in the way of Andreas because I think the core knew that Andreas liked marcy
Plus with Marcy being under the Core's control, the prophecy couldn't come true. And, of course, it'd have an advantage over the girls whom wouldn't want to hurt their dear friend.
Marcy did have a relationship with andrias, and he despretly wanted it to be somebody else, but was denied. You can see that he is upset at marcy's state while apart of darcy, but he cant do anything about it. The darcy possesion gives andrias humanity, but does not strip him of his villany.
OBVIOUSLY GRAVITY FALLS (the show is my everything)
I got a question. Are characters fan favorites because they suffered so much or do they suffer so much because they're fan favorites?
Hmm, Marcy became a fan favor within one minute, will be for the major suffering. Catra and Hunter had been suffering in one way, or another most of their lives. I know that Dipper is the lead character but I don’t think he was ever really consider the fan favorite the way that Stan or Soos were.
They were loved before, but the sufferring is what solidified them as forever fan favorites, at least for me. Hunter had been growing on people before we found out how much the poor guy suffered, and after that revelation, he skyrocketed in popularity. I don't think it's a coincidence lol. I guess we love to see people get traumatized 😅
I think it's both. On one side, the fans love to be like caring for a character who's traumatized, but there's also this like position of power that you're in when you can basically decide to save the character or doom them. So I'd say both is good.
I’m pretty sure you forgot about what happened in The Dragon Prince season 4 when Callum got controlled by Aaravos
Witch Hunter literally killed Hunter and almost killed Flap. I suppose that got past censor because it isnt graphic
Honestly I think witch
Hunter is the best possession just because of the sheer number of things about Hunter and Belos that show how much their thoughts of each other have changed. Because let's be honest at the start of the series Belos and Hunter had a lovely master and apprentice dynamic but by the end of the series,heck, by the beginning of season 3 you can tell how much they are very much have taken different life paths and so seeing all of Hunter's old tendencies coming out is creepy yet amazing because it makes you realise how much Hunter has grown over the series and you realise how much Belos has lost his composure and is desperate to take any chance if it will make him come out the Victor Honestly that is why this scene is one of the highlights of season 3's first episode because its subtly a character retrospective and an amazing way to do one without it feeling out of place.
Hm, fair and valid points and opinions, this was very interesting, i wonder what else you’ll talk about.
Bipper also wants to throw dipper off the water tower
(BILL)
Nvm
i cried about flapjack if you take all a look at the owl house fandom every one cried about it
On the subtext part for hunter’s possession,
Well, the show was shortened significantly, so it probably would of been better if granted a actual season length to do.
And the best one is easyly Moro and Lloyd from ninjago
The short version "Why possession" is that in this day and age, the scariest thing for most adults and kids alike, is someone taking away your bodily autonomy. Body snatching is R*p3 in a child friendly format. It's something that levels up the villain as "Yes. I am unforgivable." It's the ultimate "Oh F__K" that kids and adults will agree with.
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Hunter's possession was def my favourite, and Catra's second place to that. The moment in TOH was incredibly impactful, it changed things permanently. Everybody worried for Hunter, showing how he's found a new family. And Flapjack gives his life to heal Hunter. The emotional pain last the rest of season 3, so when we get to see the gravestone... I cried. Wonderfully done. I rarely cry, but just seeing what the text said, man, that was so bittersweet.
I like Catra's possession because it's also impactful, in other ways.
I don't think Bill's plan is entirely nonsensical. He destroyed the laptop and wanted to destroy the journal to prevent Dipper from finding out about the author or the portal, which would have jeopardized his plans.
Gotta love it when they overlap both of their voices ❤
Bill wanted also to kill dipper making
The zodiac useless and it wasn't stated that bill would not read the journal before destroying it.
And bill is crazy and wants to have fun, so it doesn't really matter.
Cool video, anyway.
DuckTales 2017 also had a possession plot point which was done really well, too. It’s a damn shame this show doesn’t get more attention.
Also the witch hunter thing gets better when you realize that flapjack was the palasman of the witch that fell in love with Caleb and belos was taking his final revenge
I think the reason Hunter didn't get a proper showdown with Belos is because of the limited showtime. s03 was supposed to be a full season, but disney cancelled the show for "not fitting the disney brand" (aka being to gay), so all it got was 3 hour long specials to wrap up a story arc that was supposed to be much longer.
I feel like Disney shouldn’t have made Mabel react the way she did in sock opera I mean I get it’s just the way she is but still I think the fact she cared more about a puppet show than her own brother like come one Disney this made me temporarily angry at Mabel never the less I still love her 😊
If you count Ninjago as a cartoon, it would actually be FIVE times. Season 5 is literally called Possession for a reason.
Facts.
4:00 It does expand Bills plan it makes it so Dipper doesn’t find out about the author which would lead to Stan opening the Portal
True, but Stan opening the portal is what leads to Bill escaping, right? So shouldn't he *want* that to happen?
@@themadmagpie1742 Not exactly because if he found out Stanford Pines wrote the journals he would have conflict with Stan where they will shut done the portal permanently with the power off button
Edit: Yes he wanted to have the portal opened but it wouldn’t happen if according to Bill he gets to close to answers
@@themadmagpie1742 Just realize what you meant what I was trying to say was if he finds out about the author the portal doesn’t go off but if he doesn’t it does go off
hey does anyone remember that 80's tv show, He-Man? the entire show of She-ra was kind of just a spinoff of He-Man
I’ve talked before about my great grandmother’s big breakfasts. They were big in every way possible - just like Mamaw’s Cinnamon Rolls. She’d feed huge crowds of family and extended family. There would be a lot of food and her rolls could almost be categorized as loaves! I’ve never seen a dinner roll that big since. Mamaw’s Rolls were yeast rolls and we’d pile them high with a fried egg, bacon or sausage and kibbe Naya. Mamaw (my great grandmother) passed away about 20 years ago and we talk about this dinner roll recipe every time we reminisce about our favorite Mamaw memories over breakfast or dinner. Btw I am not possessed.
5:16 not me looking for my exact same plush
Ayo magpie! My favorite kind too! :D
I like how they all have their own colors I want to see the color of the rainbow but possessed characters
god I love this trope
For the Dipper one from what I remember wasn't there supposed to be a scene at the end of the episode where Mabel finds a piece of paper in the car showing Bill cipher thoughts and how he was planning on making Dipper basically kill somebody then commits suicide at the top of the water tower but since Disney thought that was too dark they had that scene entirely removed I could 100% be thinking of something entirely different but that's what i can remember from way back in my memory that this video sparked up again
Honestly amphibia did a great job
GF, TOH and Amphibia are all in the same universe so the idea Bipper, Darcy and Helos meeting would be a nightmare
for the thing about bills intentions with bipper not making sense: i think it's very in character speaking he's a god of chaos! he wanted to possess dipper just because, also through this was not in the show, in journal 3 it is mentioned they found a note saying bill had intentions to kill dipper afterwards.
for nobody else noticing dipper wasn't himself, its presented throughout the series that people have a tendency to slightly overlook him, and there's also the possibility people actually preferred him acting weird, though i wish this was more presented in the show as an actual issue since it would've made for a great character arc where he actually talks to people about how he's mistreated and the fact there's an obvious favoritism for mabel.
i think the episode could have been written to be better if instead of the reason dipper gives in isnt just becuase of the computer, but becuase hes constantly overlooked, where the idea of him being praised is brought up in some way. we could even have dipper saying something to mabel like "WHY CAN'T ANYBODY CARE" freaking out about how nobody realized he was possessed and locking himself in his room out of frustration, then have mabel come in and talk to him about the entire situation and how she's sorry. its a great episode but it really missed out on the opportunity to make dipper realize just how mistreated he is compared to mabel which couldve made a start of an interesting character arc.
I really wish the owl house had had more time, hunter wouldve gotten so much better with more than a couple of minutes before he was fully posessed and then just a fight scene with him posessed
I like how the channel’s normal method of editing means you don’t have to have a “cute animal interlude” for the darker stuff like those who do themself, or a animation, or anything else. It really means you don’t have to break anything up
I’m honestly most shocked by either a) ancient blood gravity falls because we already know Alex hirsch was on their radar. But mostly I AM most shocked with Marcy. I think it was easier to get it past Disney with flapjack because he was an “animal”. I don’t see that as any less especially flapjack, but I bet Disney saw it as less for the kids than a whole human
Same. Especially considering Flapjack was pierced only in silhouette, I wasn't all that shocked that it happened. In fact, looking at how S3 seemed like it was almost intentionally catering to a lot of popular fan theories, I actually have half a mind to believe it was a moment inspired by FANS (specifically fan art/comics). Hence why Belos phrased his words the way he did. _"That's right. You wouldn't want me harming your precious Palisman would you?"_ Clearly talking just as much to the audience as he was the characters, lol. You aren't slick, Dana!
Ok favorite part of helos and also something I think you missed when talking aboit their special relationship was this line: “I thought this one (grimwalker) was another lost cause, but thanks to you, we (phillip and Caleb) can finish our work as witch hunters together (literally)”. That line gives me so many chills and it just shows belos at his most corrupt. His dream was always to fight witches with his brother and that’s why he recreated Caleb all those times, and tried to force him all those times into being an obedient witch hunter with belos, forcing the golden guard through lies and manipulation into furthering his day of unity plan, but the only time he was actually able to hunt with Caleb was through literally possessing him, and then the line “Caleb, you would stab me in the back!” When hunter fights him off and throws away the titan blood, still refusing to kill innocent witches is a really good moment shared as a fight between hunter and who belos saw him as (Caleb).
I agree that Catra being manipulative and hurting Adora while possessed....kind of loses a lot of weight when you realize that it's not like that's any different from how she's always treated Adora. Even when they were kids.
The thing is no matter how much I like flapjack and wasn’t even in the Marcy is best character train that most fans were, seeing a child get stabbed through the chest and her last memory being her apologizing for her actions and having to think of her betrayal is brutal and I think that Disney wanted people to feel for the show no matter how much they don’t give merchandise
Always love this method in fiction and too goood