I Was Never Meant to Have This Prototype CPU
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One of the last remaining desktop CPU makers was recently disbanded. Their last prototype, codenamed Centaur Hauls, promised much more than a normal processor could do…
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:00 What's up with this motherboard?
3:47 Who is Centaur and why did they make this?
5:51 Centaur Hauls "CHA" SoC
7:11 It LIVES! - The BIOS
9:27 The Real Deal
10:21 Windows!
11:53 Performance testing
12:57 Games, why not?
15:11 Some apps don't like it, but...
16:43 Linux didn't like it
17:23 Why didn't it get released?
20:33 Alas, poor Centaur, we hardly knew ye - Наука та технологія
For the real nerds, there's a scene in the first season of Mr Robot where some of the servers are on Centaur CPUs, the CPU ID shows their "CentaurHauls" tagline in the console.
even nerds gonna call you nerd for that
As a nerd, what a nerd
@@JamieC-qq7qw ha...
imagine watching Mr Robot and thinking you are a real nerd
As a nerd, you're a nerd for watching mr robot. Nerd.
11:04 -- "Three-hundred-and-fifty megabits... That is not fast." I wish my internet was that slow.
Mine is 10% of that on a dedicated download😢
Guess I’m lucky that I live in the sticks in Alabama and actually have fiber to my door with a consistent 1G connection down
If you told me 10 to 15 years ago I can get 330 megabits per second internet I would be shocked lol
I mean 35 megabites ain't that fast
He's saying the CPU is limiting his download speed at 100% usage.
‘How many points was that?’
‘No’
I laughed way too hard at that 😂
11:04 Linus: 350 megabit. That is, not fast.
Me sitting here with 30: That's over 10x mine, what do you mean that's not fast?! I get 60 on a GOOD day.
me with 3.5 :)
Anyone with meh internet would be pretty happy about it for sure.
350 megaBITS per second is only 43 megaBYTES per second. So it is only 1.4x faster than your 30 megabytes per second.
@@JourneysADRIFT dude stop spamming, there are infact ppl with 30 m BIT ps.
i mean when you have gigabit to switch, which has 10gbit to a Steam cache server that they run in-house, then getting a third of that is an indication that something is slowing down this platform quite a bit. Even very budgety modern computers won't struggle to saturate a gigabit link under these circumstances, with decompression running at only about 100MB/s and disk write up to 200MB/s tops and usually less. It's not about slow downloads so much as a slow machine.
Tell me you're Canadian without telling me you're Canadian...
"It's a super cool game where you go on a campaign to restore hockey to its former glory"
What's the name of the game!?
@@FredRothV Tape to Tape
@@FredRothV I don't think he mentions it, it comes up at 14:18
@@FredRothVice hockey
Twitch streamer MaryPou did the drawings of the perks of the game 😮
00:01 Well... there were a few caps different on the bottom... 🧐
hi
how did you even notice that within like 15 seconds 😭
psssst don't ruin his moment xD
Yes thats what i thought and different colored pcb
bro has time freeze capability
UA-cam keeps suggesting this video, and ive kept ignoring it because i thought it was from like 2016, linus without a beard is trippy
I love The Office reference right at the beginning!! "HR needs you to tell the difference between these two images (CPUs)"
I have close contacts with someone who has been fairly active in playing with Centaur chips and boards... I wonder if it's the same person..
Either way, it's great to see it being shown off to the world!
Yes, it's him 😛
@@mirandahw Who?
@@harshilbarot8666 IYKYK
@@harshilbarot8666 none of your business 🤷
@@Nitidus Cry in your parent's basement
Why does Linus with no beard suddenly look like 2018 Linus
If you want the lockdown beard back
👇
vampire facial...
He cut his hair short too
He's getting regular facials... 💦😅
But really, the reason he shaved is he's getting facial treatments to reverse the aging process. It looks to have genuine results.
Mayhaps they're the same person?😮
Probably because in 2018, he had no beard!
I was just thinking about Emily earlier today. Check the website bios today. Thank God you still work at LTT. Thank you for making an appearance via voice! Miss your work!
what happened?
@@SL4Fthey're trans now, don't regularly appear on the main platforms
@@bartsquared1398 ah, I thought something was different, thanks for explaining.
@@bartsquared1398 Jesus why do people do that
@@nate472 Because they feel like it, duh. The feeling is strong and permanent bugging them tens of years, its not just a what if. And you should, instead admire their courage to finally live how they want. Its weird for the surrounding people in the beginning, sure. Like any other major change would be so that is what makes you conflicted. But that is ok too. Did you see her weight loss though? Amazing.
Been thinking about getting the backpack, and jumped on the new edition with the discount. Thanks.
That thumbnail got me back to 4 years ago
First thing I did was to check the upload date, thinking it was probably an old video that got recommended to me lol.
Why is Linus progressively getting younger and younger? I Know the drama brought changes but i didnt think he'd literally be regressing into his old form
He had some skin things done. He talked about it on WAN, that's why he shaved the beard. Was the same price if they did the whole face or just part of the face
Linus discovered undercut hairstyle
It looks like he's been hitting the 🏋️♂️ 💪
@@JUST_GUNZ4881kids+badminton according to him.
@@joshbimthedoctor that was just a facial lol. but shaving and less stress certainly help
I had a Cyrix, back in the 486dx2 turbo times....
But I think I actually purchased it from one of those "computer shows" places, where random people would sell computer stuff, swap meet style.
Those "computer shows" were awesome
i like that setting called "The concluder"
I applaud their efforts. Any competition vs defacto duopolies is a good thing.
x86 and ARM are both well over 30 years old. If I was running the world, they'd be open standards by now. Yeah, if you have a great idea, you should be able to profit off of it instead of some giant company swooping in, out-competing you on your own invention and stifling new ideas (because why bother), that's what patents and intellectual property are for, but they also stifle innovation, as seen in this video.
@@fredwupkensoppel8949 Yeah, it's not like they don't have enough money already. They could help other companies grow but I guess their fortune already turned evil and lusting for more.
Stuff like thus just shows how broken patent law is, where It's next to impossible to become a CPU company. Large companies can decide to limit innovation because It's not fiscally responsible to the shareholders. Hope RISC V eventually creates new innovations and companies with an emphasis on having open designs.
Or ARM
@@Leosalvaje_ARM isn't completely open like RISC V is so while they're pretty liberal with licences atm they may not always be which is why RISC V would probably be preferable in this context
@@blakegilmore9360 If someone made an alteration or a fork of sort of RISC V, would they have to open-source it? So not only the base technology itself but also any improvements made to it by other companies also have to be open to everyone.
@@n_core Nope. That depends on licensing, but RISC-V is under BSD and other licenses that are friendly to building proprietary systems. While exciting, RISC-V isn't likely to set the high-performance CPU world on fire. What it is doing is making "we want to integrate a CPU into our own ASIC" more approachable. ARM charges quite a bit for core licenses, and more for architecture licenses, that let you build your own thing.
RISC-V is likely to be worse than ARM, and nowhere close to x86/_64 for binary compatibility support. That is, you'll never buy software in a box that says "runs on RISC-V". So far, the most successfully RISC-V implementations have been hardware+software embedded things, not "computers" in the end-user-device sense of the word.
In love with the widescreen format ❤
The first PC I ever owned (given to me by my Aunt who got it from her boss) was an Epson banded PC that used a 50MHz Cyrix 486 CPU which I upgraded to their 75 MHz version. I still have a Cyrix 586 CPU somewhere in my house.
And here I was hoping for the rebirth of Cyrix. Miss those days of 3 CPU brands.
Qualcomm? Apple? Nvidia? Guess not the ones you were hoping for lol
There was at least 4 back in the Super Socket 7 days - Intel, AMD, Cyrix (IBM rebadges included) & Centaur/IDT WinChips - all on x86
@@kayburcky7146 I'm pretty sure they meant for consumer pc's, probably specifically building them. Apple's silicon for example you cant just buy, its just in their products. Qualcomm, to my knowledge, is only for mobile and even then its not like you can just buy em to build your own mobile thing. NVIDIA, i know even less about tbf, is only for some high end server things? I'm really unsure what nvidia does in that space tbh. Because of this there's only 2 brands in the pc industry, Intel and AMD.
@@GoddessLunaMoonQualcomm started making desktop chips
@@DanTDMJace not on apple levels !
Don't auction this one off
lmao
😂
His ability to scrub collective memory of all the bad shit he's done is genuinely impressive.
@@long-long.nah the internet is on the EKWB phase now.
I clicked on the video solely to find this comment 🤣
Now this is the type of content I am subscribed for!
i saw the shark in the sky and immediately said "your gonna jump the sharks later" out of habbit.
people, when he mentions that 350mbps is slow, is because the board is bottlenecking their connection i think that they have over a gigabit to the internet.
Also I'm pretty sure they have a local Steam cache, so probably only limited to local LAN link speed. With their beefy servers and networking gear I'd expect very close to signaling speed unless bottlenecked by the end computer.
I think they got 7gbps+ with the new thread ripper pro or something. Can't remember exactly.
They have 10 gig
I'm happy with my 20 😢
Yeah, a clarification might have been useful
Linus media team cooking agian
Haha yay yay 😂
What's "agian"?
@@BrickTextures-hm1uy it means multiple times, or at least two times
@@raidwipe oh right, you mean again!
Is this referencing something or just the video as a whole?
2:45 "What is this thing?" opens his phone to that very thing, scrolls like 2 lines "interesting..." puts down phone. Instantly knows what it does.
I’m glad y’all brought back the intro
Glad to see this covered, a lot of cool stuff came out of the Centaur auction when they were sadly shuttered. I remember a listing for a CNS or CHA board and CPU for around $400 iirc, I only acquired one of the Zhaoxin development boards. The concluder feature is present there too and is very cool.
Thanks for getting some more eyes on this chapter in x86 history, Centaur's next gen stuff could have been something special. During the history lesson VIA X4 wasn't mentioned, but it was really just two X2s glued together.
finally that good intro clip 0:52
Looove them bringing the intros back!
Those via cpus were put in some netbooks if I remember correctly. Fascinating video!
This is hat I love, obscure tech we wouldn’t come across every day. I really love hearing about these things
I'm so glad the new intro sequence is back
It makes me happy.
Same!!
Ya honeslty I was so sick of linus yapping about something 0.01 seconds after the video starts. I would have to go back and rewatch it like 6 times or I just click off the video. But with him not instantly talking the moment the video starts and the intro giving me a little time to think the videos are much more enjoyable.
My dad worked for IDT back in the early 2000's never thought id see them come up in an ltt video
That fact that companies like this keep getting undercut and aquired by the big names shows just how greedy they really are. I believe the laws on both anti-consumerism and anti-competitive practices should be expanded appon in order to improve everything for everyone. We need more options in the tech industry!
realistically, these companies would never make it to the level of AMD or Intel in timely manner. thus why they are sold. if they could compete, they wouldn't be sold.
@@RuiPalmeiraI think you're missing the point. This one might not have had a chance but others could. But that doesn't matter if they do. Because the problem is that the big names always try to undercut any potential competition by any shady means necessary.
Does the definitive LTT Backpack no longer have the LTT Screwdriver pocket zipper? 9:42 (old footage) shows the zipper, but 9:55 (different footage) shows no zipper.
Sept 2019 - "Not that long ago" oh you mean almost 5 years😢
It's all relative...
wild
You're 15, aren't you?
It still feels like 2019.
@@shadeysandwich1810 Have you BEEN to the grocery store?
The ability to change CPUID has been standard feature for Via's processors for awhile. This is one of the reasons why it was discovered that Intel was nerfing performance on code running on non-Intel processors.
Linux support likely exists in Via's own labs. Support probably was never sent upstream to public repos. Some stuff could still be lurking out there in non-mainstream repos.
I suspect a kernel patched for Zhaoxin support would work (for example search "Gitee Anolis OS kernel" - branch devel-6.6)
A kernel with some additional Zhaoxin support can be found in the devel-6.6 branch of the Anolis OS kernel on Gitee. Maybe it would work.
I love the use of obscure games in recent vids , i end up playing and loving most of them
My first home PC had the 200mhz Winchip. So awesome to learn the brief history around it
Finally Linus playing a real game like Doug Huggem
VIA still alive!? now, this is a great content.
Alive but in the enterprise side of things
Thank you for bringing back the title sequence quips
That ringing in the low key audio background at 10:38 threw me off so badly that at first I was like what, why do I hear an alarm clock and where is this coming from XD
the 00:00 freeze frame is a good base for a linus meme template
They thought you weren't cautious enough
Bros a mega fan over 100+ comments is 🤪
My first PC build was a Cyrix 200mhz. I want to say it was late 90s. That name takes me back. 😊
Damn I have been out of the build a PC demographic for so long I don't even know about 2/3 of those bios options/features. Definitely going pre built if and when I ever get the opportunity for a rig. Low key overwhelmed
Now some secret agents will come knocking on LMG’s door, then neuralize everyone there and take back those prototype chips.
Neuralize??
@@hillbillysamuraimen in black
@@aps5150 or drops it
It's a 5 year old tech which even back then was already being surpassed both in price and performance.
An example of a motherboard socket being reused like this in the LGA era was AMD's socket F being reused by a company named spansion for their prototypes.
Also I have a working setup with one of these chips on one of the last steppings, and I have one of those spansion chips (but no board for it). I've been calling the centaur chip's socket 'lga 2084' as thats how many pins it has.
We had a Cyrix CPU in our old computer back in the day. I played through Quake 2 in software mode on that. Yes, it was not smooth but I was young and didn't really know any better so I was happy with it.
I'm glad to hear the backpack is back, but when are we getting the new zipper pulls for the previous owners? Mine are haning on by a thread.
Based on the mention of Cyrix:
Oh man, I had those Cyrix CPU's way back then. IIRC a Cx486DX4-100 with a "whopping" 16MB of RAM and I had a Tseng Labs ET4000/W32i with 4MB of video memory. That thing was awesome, could play the triple-a's like Doom II (from memory guys, correct me when wrong) full-screen. I miss those days...
Especially cramming out the most memory for your TSR's and whatnot. Commands like DOS=High,UMB and local loadhigh. It's so long ago 🤭
Centaur isn't Cyrix. It's WinChip. Both have been acquired by VIA. VIA merged Cyrix, they owned, into WinChip. VIA, however, shut down Centaur in 2021. And Intel hired some of Centaur engineers. Yet VIA still have Zhaoxin, so this will likely appear in feature Zhaoxin processors. And hopefully sooner than later - in KX-8000 generation.
@@elksalmon84 My reaction is based on the mention of Cyrix my friend :) I know Cyrix isn't Centaur.
I never understood why only 2 companies should have X86 Architecture. It is a duopoly!
It's basically licenses
Intel holds it and gives it to AMD along with a few others
@@Ffom177 It should had been, OPEN SOURCE, so everyone can use it. Otherwise ARM and Snapdragon cpus will rule in the future.
@@misterPAINMAKER there is open source RISC, that will probably replace arm and x86.
@@Ffom177 interestingly, I believe that Intel actually pays AMD for the 64 bit extensions to the x86, because AMD were the ones who created them.
@@misterPAINMAKER you can apply that logic to anything. patents should be for everyone.... it benefits the world to have inventions open for the world to use. movies, music should be for everyone...... its not perfect but it is what it is. without this stuff youd have poor copies of everything. id rather have 2 quality products than 100 choices of usless cpus
Wooot! Back in the day, first build had a VIA 1 Ghz CPU on the board wit a little fan on it. Then I got another VIA CPU on a that was on a mini ITX board.
add it into the Steam hardware survey :)
Funny they named the cpu ID "spoof" function "The Concluder" lmao
13:15 No way did Doug Huggem show up in an LTT video, haha YESSS
How the fuck does LTT not know Mega64? ‘Outrage prank’ like waaat
Wow, I'm getting old! I do remember running early NES and SNES emulators on Cyrix processors way back when Intel's Pentium and the AMD's K-7 were the mainstream CPUs. You had to fiddle with the settings to get mostly full speed and Xinput controllers did not even exist yet. It felt mindblowing as the SNES was still widely in use.
nice to see you back with your old looks :D
Changing where traces go on a commodity printed PCB is trivial compared to developing a manufacturing process for a socket interface. So makes sense they would do dev on an existing socket. (altho, they could have added a piece of plastic somewhere to key it to their cpu ... to prevent smoke, lol)
Linus without beard make the videos feel like how it did before covid
Yeap. The lesbian chick is back
Woah, I never knew the model number of the Cyrix 3. My grandpa would find them in satellite receivers he took apart for scrap with me. We always looked forward to them, because you could take the top off and pull the gold right out. Then we could sell it to the recycler for more than usual, since we did the work of extracting it for them.
Just a quick moment of appreciation towards LMG for still giving us the classic video intro and music every so often. It hasn’t gone unnoticed and I will always be here to thank you when a video has the intro 🥹
USB ports labeled rs-232 are often backed by usb to serial IC's meaning they are still talking USB, not simply reusing the pins.
it's just serial over usb, right?
@@RuiPalmeira yep, it's functionally the same as those little dongles that you see all over the place but integrated into the device.
I can't believe he didn't drop it
Centaur CPU’s were reasonably common in cheaper PC’s in the early 90’s. Nice to see they are back. I should still have some Cyrix, Winchip, Centaur, Texas Instruments CPU’s in a drawer somewhere. Maybe it is time to dust them off and see what life there is still inside.
7:05 I see what you tried there. The music team doing their own LTT-A Team Assemble theme music.
7:32
ah, the way of life...
if you cant beat em, eat em.
Pause the video and pull the playhead to the very start. That should be the thumbnail to this video. Lol! Love you Linus! But those faces man. Too funny!
VIA, that was a fun throwback to the 90s and early 00s.
I think I currently have a Cyrex III processor, My current desktop has a HD via technology sound system. The motherboard is a gigabyte D77 D3H I think, the cyrex cpu was a childhood computer I had still have the parts
Linus be pumping videos like Intel and Nintendo does with class action lawsuit to small companies
LOL
Underrated comment 😂
Good meme format
Well, LTT did have that controversy.
@@blokkvise what one
Wonder when the auction for this one is...
80s action TV show music was a top shelf choice! 👌🏽
That comb forward game is tight, id say 8/10. There are stylist in the Vancouver area id recommend (speaking from personal experience)
"350 megabit. That is not fast." That's literally 25x faster than my wifi, wtf do you mean that's not fast????
that's 350 megabit over a (multi?)gigabit network
Because it's not limited by transmission speed, but by the CPU struggling to decompress.
16:30 - "It is currently running at: PCI-Express x16 1.1"
That's likely a power saving measure. I've seen that before.
@@Nostalgia_Realm True, but I also don't think it would be 4.0 (on the 'motherboard'), I believe that's just what the card supports...
A close friend used to work at VIA/Centaur... We love to geek out and talk about hilariously old technology he worked on, as well as more modern iterations of it. Computers haven't really changed much in 20 years, except the power consumption and clock speeds have skyrocketed. In my humble opinion, FPGA such as ARM have proven to be comparable to larger x86/64 architectures
That is sick! T_T I miss VIA/Cyrix!!! Cyrix 6x86 166Mhz was daily driver CPU for my family back then and it kicked butt! Would love to see how Andrew did those settings!
But it was inevitable none the less
9:38 The Shopping tag doesn't show up. Using the Real Deal Backpack Link in the description doesn't give me the 20% discount.
I had a Centaur Tech CPU in mid 2000s. They had some very interesting ideas on processing and it was pretty cool, even if its performance ultimately wasn't as good. I thought they had given up, so its cool to see them out with a new CPU on a modern socket.
I still have one of the micro PC's that fit in case the size of two thick textbooks which contained VIA's response to the x86 architecture. --- VIA made these small micro-form factor mobos and CPU chips for warehouses, industrial sites and in-vehicle computing used for audio/video security, inventory management, machine control and more rugged environments.
The systems are GREAT and I still have my 2003-era one working as a media pc for an old 1080p 42 inch LCD TV used in a rec-room. They can encode and decode two streams of 30 fps 1080p broadcast TV video with no issue. I also use it for an 8-camera security system where each video feed is downsampled to 960 by 540 pixels and combined into a single display which means I get a time/date-stamped 4-video-feeds per channel (2 channels for 8 video feeds total) recording for home security use.
It's a fun use of old technology and the Centaur PCs are so small and rugged they will KEEP working for another 20 years. I use newer high-end video-recording-centric spinning hard drives so I will get another 10 years out of each drive (bought two drives where one is installed and I keep the other drive as a spare!) -- Sometimes older technology is BETTER and more rugged so why throw it away? Just repurpose it for another use!
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Linus' face is too God damn smooth now, I feel like I've time traveled into the past
4:32 wtf is that graph lmaooo
WOW Congratulations LINUS . I had 1 of those back in the day It was iffy at best. ... Centaur Technologies Inc. was founded in April 1995. Damn i am getting old am i not ?
Started getting thrown for a bit of a loop at the end there😂
linus is still trying to return to his twink days
at this point Linus is a forever twink even with a beard
I had a Cryix based system back in the day as it was a buget friendly way to get a computer. however like noted in this video it wasnt exactly a great system. for instance you could not get Quake 1 to run on it as Quake 1 also checked the CPU ID like the cpu in this video. even if you have a early 3D Excellector like the 4meg PCI 3DFX Diamond Voodoo 1, sure I am showing my age with that comment but you know back in the day the world wide web as we called it in the 90's was still young and we didnt have a lot of things we take for granted today unless we read a paper magazise. SHortly after trying to use this system I upgraded to the AMD K6-2 with 3D Now Technology and had a much better experience.
Good to hear Emily's voice in a video again.
CD Audio In...now there is a connector I haven't thought about in a long time.
Never though I'd hear my socket on a new LTT video. Still running 5th gen Core I7 on 2011v3, haven't had a reason to upgrage
Yay! The intro's back.
Do you mean that little animation where supernova plays? That never went away
@@the_undead you sure about that?
@@c90adventures they use it in one in every six to one in every 10 videos depending on the month
Very smart featuring a 20% off offer on a link I cannot find
In the description
click on the button in the description or overlaying the video, go to site, add to cart, and try it. Hopefully works for you now!
Hey neat, Via's (by extension) cpus never stopped being crap. Good to know!
I work for a mechatronics company, and I have 150 VIA boards sitting in my office right now. We used them as embedded motor controllers because they were x86 and they were the best solution for us at the time!
EMILY?
You've missed about a year of ltt if you didn't know
@@Jaymison I don't watch every episode.. but this is the first I've found out.. what a bu mmer
@@Jaymison I've been watching for years and this is news to me. Emily has been away from videos for a while and when they are there, it's never really mentioning their name or their transition. I just saw the same ol' anthony
@@Deb_Boibecause it is the same old anthony. It’s a man, a pathetic one, but a man nonetheless
@@quintonconoly well said
cisco's USB port is an actual USB port. it's connected to an RS232 driver internally, but it is not "electrically incompatible" with USB as you suggest.
yeah, a better comparison would have been the RJ45 RS232 ports on switches (brilliant design)
@@unicodefox the poor 8P8C has been used and abused for every single signal under the sun
I remember building PC’s back in the mid to late 90’s that had lots of jumpers on the motherboards & the hard drives
my 1st pc had a133mhz intel p2 cpu in in, that was the limit of the mobo, I put a 233mhz WinChip in it... worked great