HEATED DEBATE: Should Players Celebrate agains Ex-Clubs!?

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  • @Treyball67
    @Treyball67 Рік тому +107

    It’s ultimately a player’s decision whether they want to celebrate or not. I have no problem if a player does celebrate against a former team , but it’s not a “disgrace” if they don’t. It’s just a sign of appreciation and respect for their former club. No one should have a problem with a player celebrating and you definitely shouldn’t have a problem if they don’t celebrate

    • @DannyStar91
      @DannyStar91 Рік тому +1

      We’ll said 👌🏻

    • @kurtsudheim825
      @kurtsudheim825 11 місяців тому

      She with almost everything, but they're CAN be an issue with celebrating against a former team, depending on scenario, like adebayor thing was a bit ott.

  • @bronzer23
    @bronzer23 Рік тому +32

    It depends what kind of player if a player like Defoe scored against Sunderland i doubt anyone’s holding it against him for not celebrating.

  • @peakyb2883
    @peakyb2883 Рік тому +92

    Rare Tom L. Respect is a part of the game, and doing your job (scoring the goal) is one thing. Showing respect to a club you love is a choice and the right one imo.

    • @peakyb2883
      @peakyb2883 Рік тому +7

      To add on to this, Tom did make a good point that not every celebration is disrespectful which I agree with

  • @jaywilliams6250
    @jaywilliams6250 Рік тому +21

    I agree with Tom. The players don’t owe anything to clubs, if the player being there didn’t benefit the club they wouldn’t be there anymore. Clubs owe players they’re the ones with the ability to actually play football

    • @callumdavies1554
      @callumdavies1554 Рік тому +1

      You are so clueless omds😂

    • @jaywilliams6250
      @jaywilliams6250 Рік тому +3

      @@callumdavies1554 oh how generous of a club to let a player with the ability to win them trophies and make them millions if not billions of pounds have a pitch to train on and a wage

  • @ryanreynolds9072
    @ryanreynolds9072 Рік тому +180

    That’s a rare Garrett L for me

  • @TheDannydoe
    @TheDannydoe Рік тому +43

    Tom is right tbh, you already scored the goal if you want to celebrate it you should. I think its fair that players dont if they feel like they dont want to but to give someone hate or boo them for celebrating etc is too much. You cant expect a former player to not celebrate he's moved on from your team and plays for another. It's his work, its a professional relationship.

    • @LiamsFriendStewie
      @LiamsFriendStewie Рік тому +2

      "Tom is right tbh"
      Well at least you're being honest, but maybe someone should educate you on what an opinion is, bud. 🤣I'll correct it for you - "I agree with Tom's opinion." Hope this helps x

    • @felixdc3894
      @felixdc3894 Рік тому +2

      @@LiamsFriendStewie weirdo

  • @BigLemz
    @BigLemz Рік тому +15

    The biggest collection of melts of all time 😂 actually that’s a bit harsh on reev

  • @Gayleem
    @Gayleem Рік тому +94

    It’s just out of respect for the fans. Scoring against them is one thing, celebrating is just rubbing salt in the wounds. It’s easier to just not celebrate. It’s not hard.

    • @barryg9367
      @barryg9367 Рік тому +5

      it’s way easier suppressing your emotions of scoring than to let your emotions flow and just celebrate. way easier just to celebrate imo

    • @Adm1111_
      @Adm1111_ Рік тому +1

      What so you want them to miss a sitter just because its againt a former club

    • @EJassassin1530
      @EJassassin1530 Рік тому +4

      Europeans soft as hell 🤣

    • @YoungMarkGoldbridge
      @YoungMarkGoldbridge Рік тому +1

      @@EJassassin1530 ok Amazon boy

    • @EJassassin1530
      @EJassassin1530 Рік тому +4

      @@YoungMarkGoldbridge “oh no 😢 he scored on my favorite team how dare he celebrate 😔😔 now I’m gonna call him the n word and monkey 😡😡 while me and the boys have choir practice”
      -every European sports fan

  • @owenemmens3455
    @owenemmens3455 Рік тому +6

    Tom is 100% right Theo even said himself Walcott got booed anyway so why not just celebrate

  • @soneshlal
    @soneshlal Рік тому +23

    Damn rare Tom L unfortunately

  • @CB-lw7ty
    @CB-lw7ty Рік тому +2

    Its entirely dependant for me, I know I wouldn't celebrate against my favourite club or against a club I had spent 5+ years with because you're obviously going to have a level of attachment after that length of time. Players not celebrating against teams they spent 1-2 years with or been on loan with is where I think it's a bit silly just doing the "respect" thing because its "expected" more than it's necessary.

  • @callumrobertson5119
    @callumrobertson5119 Рік тому +8

    Just depends on the situation I think

    • @jacknelson927
      @jacknelson927 Рік тому

      Yeah exactly imagine a o,Ayer scared against there former club but the fans gave him so much abuse trust me I hope that player celebrates gloats in front of those fans

    • @cody3766
      @cody3766 Рік тому

      Yeah they should celebrate according to their individual experience at the club

    • @hssn7456
      @hssn7456 Рік тому

      I think it would be ok if Ronaldo were to celebrate against united but not Madrid or juve

  • @MontMich
    @MontMich Рік тому +9

    Tom's the type of person to realize they're wrong halfway through an argument and argue even harder for their obviously wrong opinion.
    It's not black and white but in general if the fans treated you well and the split from the team was amicable it makes sense to keep that relationship positive by being respectful (which could be not celebrating or a subdued just hugging your teammates type celebration), if the fans/team treated you poorly then go ahead and celebrate your little heart out because they don't deserve your respect.

  • @reecetomm
    @reecetomm Рік тому

    The only reason why I’d have a problem with a player celebrating would be if they were a massive legend at the club. For instance I’m a Newcastle fan, if Alan Shearer had a late career move to Aston Villa and scored against us and celebrated, then it would feel very weird and strange. Meanwhile if Bruno Guimarães moved to Man United next season and scored against us and celebrated, as much as I would hate to see it, I wouldn’t be angry with him because he’s not a legend, and therefore him as a player doesn’t personify the club in the same way a Shearer does for Newcastle, or Henry does for Arsenal, or Kompany does for City, Rooney does for Man United, or Kane does for Tottenham, etc.

  • @rianfitzpatrick8150
    @rianfitzpatrick8150 Рік тому +5

    Would you do it against the Albion Tom?

  • @rustbeard8994
    @rustbeard8994 Рік тому +1

    Tom W on this one. People take a game of football way too seriously

  • @nifynitm
    @nifynitm Рік тому +6

    i really like the point reev made about goals being a part of the job but celebrating isn’t
    it basically should’ve ended there. goals are a part of gameplay and celebrating isnt. the player scored and did their job, but wether they celebrate or not / show respect or not is their choice and wether or not they should is just an opinion ❤ :)

  • @craigwright6493
    @craigwright6493 Рік тому

    Tom has this bang on, don’t see the problem with a player celebrating against a former club. He’s not saying rub it in, but celebrate the way you would scoring against any other team. Not even fist pumping after a goal makes it look like the players not arsed.

  • @CantMuffin
    @CantMuffin Рік тому

    It's the same as giving your all for the badge your wearing. When a club is giving you a chance to prove yourself and puts food on your table you should do everything you can for them. Once that's over you don't just forget about that. Depends on the case OBVIOUSLY

  • @anvil9263
    @anvil9263 Рік тому +1

    If they played there for 1 or 2 seasons and wasn't special then celebrate away. If club legends and loyal players that scored agaisnt their big known club, they wouldn't dare celebrate cause of all the memories they had with those clubs. Very very rare moment but Theo is right

  • @hssn7456
    @hssn7456 Рік тому +19

    One of the times Tom's brain is gone

    • @MesterWilliam-ny9nq
      @MesterWilliam-ny9nq Рік тому +1

      imagine if harry kane singed for utd and they won and he just pulled out griddy and scream at totenham fans. a man can dream

  • @georgeburns2157
    @georgeburns2157 Рік тому

    A player should 100% celebrate but celebrate respectfully. And that teacher analogy, it’s like them passing and celebrate passing with their teachers, which they would…..

  • @sumanumesh9259
    @sumanumesh9259 Рік тому

    I Agree with Tom on this, if a Club doesn’t show loyalty to the players, why should the player show loyalty? They have every right to celebrate the goal, let it be against their former club. Why does a fan base or a club be so petty about a former player celebrating a goal against them? If you hate it, then why did you let him go?

  • @shivamnayak7163
    @shivamnayak7163 Рік тому +1

    Common Tom W everyone should allowed to celebrate the goal. You can celebrate without disrespecting surely.

  • @Ronit1220
    @Ronit1220 Рік тому

    For the “It’s respecting the fans” debate.
    Do the fans refrain from booing players who are having a bad run of form?!
    Do they show respect then?!
    Or do they make him/her feel exactly what they feel at that moment?!
    So, why celebrating a goal , not just against those fans but for scoring an actual goal in a game of football, such a crucified thing.

  • @adamwallis3235
    @adamwallis3235 Рік тому

    You do not celebrate causing pain to people you care about, whether that's I'm football or otherwise

  • @snookerstones
    @snookerstones Рік тому

    Don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer, up to however the individual see’s it.

  • @scottbroxirfc
    @scottbroxirfc Рік тому +4

    Everyone saying 'out of respect' it's disrespectful to the current team and fans to not celebrate with them lol, Tom is spitting facts, and going back to the point made in the video about Messi scoring against Barca and winning the UCL does he just not hold the trophy and celebrate winning it cause he beat Barca in the final like what

  • @rileyrupert5231
    @rileyrupert5231 Рік тому +30

    I’m with Tom. If you score at the highest level even for a club you played for that’s a huge achievement so many can only dream of doing. Celebrate it! Be happy! It’s not like they’re going and shushing the crowd and talking shit, but smiling and running w your arms up and hugging your teammates is natural. Not disrespectful at all. This was the dumbest debate I’ve ever heard

    • @TheJWRB
      @TheJWRB Рік тому

      if brennan johnson left forest and then celebrated a goal by hugging his team mates and throwing his arms in the air, he would be dead to most fans.

    • @macky453
      @macky453 Рік тому

      Imagine Messi scoring against Barcelona and celebrating

  • @frejasoendergaard6035
    @frejasoendergaard6035 Рік тому

    I can see where Tom is coming from. You can also debate that it's disrespectful towards your "new" club to not celebrate and smile when you score a goal.

  • @Ronit1220
    @Ronit1220 Рік тому

    There’s a difference in “Scoring a goal & celebrating that moment” & “scoring a goal against your former club & celebrating like you want to prove something”.
    When a player scores a goal against his former club and goes on to celebrate in front of his new clubs fans, that’s alright.
    If they want to just prove a point and end up celebrating like a prick in front of his former club’s fans, that’s debatable on being disrespectful.

  • @danielsmart8013
    @danielsmart8013 Рік тому

    There’s a difference between over celebrating and celebrating

  • @zxcvj984
    @zxcvj984 Рік тому

    Why isn’t Tom on the podcast header and In bio ? He carries this podcast so hard.

  • @legendskyz5545
    @legendskyz5545 Рік тому

    Players are supposed to be loyal but if a player has a bad season the fans will want him out and the club will look to sell him.

  • @DetBareMikkel
    @DetBareMikkel Рік тому

    Tom L on this one. These aren't that common. I agree with him when it's players who's only played a couple of years at a club. Just celebrate. However club legends who doesn't celebrate will probably still have strong feelings for the club. That Tom can't separate being employed by another team from loving a club is so odd. Like, if QPR came a gave him a fat salary to do Social Media work for them it doesn't mean he would celebrate like a lunatic if they beat WBA. The club legends will in most cases view the club as more than just an employer. Unbelievable that he thinks you should shit all over that and the fans who supported you for years. Maybe he thinks that celebrating wouldn't be disrespectful, but that is equally as weird - depending on how you do it, and what it means to your current club.

  • @fletcherrussell4993
    @fletcherrussell4993 7 місяців тому

    Is hard for me, I’m a Everton fan and when richarlison scored I felt for him cause he didn’t want to leave but we had to sell him, but players such as Tevez and Adebayor who clearly had no loyalty, should cop criticism

  • @DJYunkHank
    @DJYunkHank Рік тому

    If it's the first season after being transferred then I think they should show respect, after that it's fair game.

  • @misteravacado8000
    @misteravacado8000 Рік тому

    I stand with Tom if you just celebrate with teammates there is no problem as long as it isn’t something like knee sliding right near enough into your old club fans then there is no problem and when they see that u scored if it’s not disrespectful you are just annoyed they scored u aren’t thinking about if Theo Walcott celebrates a little or not

    • @rileyrupert5231
      @rileyrupert5231 Рік тому

      Honestly In some situations like if they leave in bad terms w the club and then you go and score on me after you move on I dig the celebration in their faces
      Like look what you could have had this is y’all’s fault kinda thing. To be a pro athlete a lot of them have that super competitive nature that makes them great. Let them celebrate when they do sumn awesome

  • @Sixsides_0115
    @Sixsides_0115 Рік тому

    All depends on the circumstances in which the player left

  • @Enigma_FN
    @Enigma_FN Рік тому +1

    If a player wants to celebrate a goal against an old club, I have no issue with that. But to say it’s pathetic if they don’t is absolutely ridiculous 😂 Major Tom L in this video

  • @bennib5
    @bennib5 Рік тому

    So a player shouldn’t celebrate if they score a last minute winner to win the champions league against an old team???

  • @nat_hamer
    @nat_hamer Рік тому +1

    London softies 😂 Tom is right

  • @ch_ginge
    @ch_ginge Рік тому

    Garratt should’ve phrased his argument simply as “the club got rid of them when they didn’t need them at all, that’s not respect. Fuck the respect on the other end”

  • @TheDannydoe
    @TheDannydoe Рік тому

    Players dont owe their former clubs anything, they get paid to play there. its a benefitial relationship for both the player and the club. If you go work somewhere then get a new job later, you dont owe everything to your previous job? You paid back what you "owed" while you worked there.

  • @abc123dert
    @abc123dert Рік тому

    Rare tom W, they are saying out of respect for the former club and former fans, what about the respect for the current club and current fans 🤷

  • @reecewokes8161
    @reecewokes8161 Рік тому +1

    tom just speaking facts though

  • @JTM-03
    @JTM-03 Рік тому

    1000% agree with tom, unless they are going out of their way to make it disrespectful (adebayor) then who cares

  • @musha1228
    @musha1228 Рік тому

    Very common Tom W, don’t think you can disagree with anything that man says 😅

  • @carefreedax1905
    @carefreedax1905 Рік тому

    It depends, if you spent a lot of time at the club and they helped you in some way then you shouldn’t, but otherwise it’s fine

  • @domking412
    @domking412 Рік тому

    Theo basically said if you score a last minute winner in the champions league final against your old team, don’t celebrate common garratt W

  • @craigcollyer568
    @craigcollyer568 Рік тому +1

    Completely agree with Tom it's a job 😂

  • @benwright3234
    @benwright3234 8 місяців тому

    Tom is right, u can respectfully celebrate like it’s not hard. Walcott got given an opportunity by arsenal yeh, but he put all the hard work in not the club. He deserves to celebrate against them considering he is a Southampton lad

  • @mattmonaghan
    @mattmonaghan Рік тому

    Depends on how the club treated the player for me

  • @scotttocs
    @scotttocs Рік тому

    A goal should always be celebrated. Its disrespectful to the new team and fans not to.

  • @MunchyDragon
    @MunchyDragon 8 місяців тому

    Its respective to the club that sold you and disrespectful to the club who had faith in you
    When you get dumped you don't refuse to do doggy because it was what you did with your ex
    You enjoy the moment with the new person.

  • @elliotstreet2462
    @elliotstreet2462 Рік тому

    Tom is right. By respecting your former club, you’re disrespecting your current club and their fans.

  • @grahamrenfrow8059
    @grahamrenfrow8059 Рік тому

    By not celebrating, you are telling the fans of the club you play for that they arent as important to you as the former clubs fans

  • @marshallwaitforit3704
    @marshallwaitforit3704 Рік тому

    As an Arsenal fan, if Thierry Henry scored against us and did the sexy slide to celebrate..it would hurt so bad

  • @justingamroth9396
    @justingamroth9396 Рік тому

    Not going to lie if you don't celebrate a goal bc it was against your former club I see it as a little disrespectful to your current club. Also, footballers do kinda owe a club if they gave them a career but don't owe that much bc it's not like they were giving charity from the club. Also if a former club/fans can respect a player enough to let a player celebrate a goal against them thats messed up. The player made the decision that was best for there career and don't punish them for that

  • @kierencoats9077
    @kierencoats9077 Рік тому

    i see both sides. ypu can celebrate but I think there is a line before it gets disrespectful. but you should be happy if you score

  • @nameanteater4772
    @nameanteater4772 Рік тому

    I think as long as they don’t do the hand cupped to their ears, shush etc then it’s perfectly fine. A worker owns nothing to an employer more than their labour, thus applies to this.

    • @abyeadchowdhury2529
      @abyeadchowdhury2529 Рік тому

      its not about the employer tho its about the fans, imagine you support a guy and he celebrates your misery of conceding a goal infront of u. im saying if they like knee slide to the stands

    • @nameanteater4772
      @nameanteater4772 Рік тому

      @@abyeadchowdhury2529 if they cared that much then they would refuse to play, kinda like how I Terry did, I think, at Villa

  • @jackashton2208
    @jackashton2208 Рік тому +2

    Unpopular common L for big Tom

  • @conniejayneh
    @conniejayneh Рік тому

    Tbf, what does Theo Walcott owe Arsenal? They never valued him as a first team player, he owes them nothing. If he was a key Arsenal player then I’d understand but he wasn’t

  • @vonvard
    @vonvard Рік тому +2

    i think there's degrees of celebration

  • @lgc9652
    @lgc9652 Рік тому

    i’m with tom you can celebrate without going over board

  • @kdburner7356
    @kdburner7356 Рік тому

    These types of “debates” should be laughed off… not given a whole video😂😂

  • @alextv293
    @alextv293 Рік тому +1

    The welsh lad is right imo

  • @conorsawyer6699
    @conorsawyer6699 Рік тому

    u can tell Tom lived in america at one point cuz he’s the only one who isn’t soft, if you celebrate that doesn’t make it disrespectful automatically just celebrate the right way

  • @willslack68
    @willslack68 Рік тому

    Why are we talking about the club giving them a chance like they would have never been able to play football anywhere else. Ultimately this is a business and not celebrating almost seems disrespectful the the fans that they currently represent. Harry Kane doesn't owe Totenham anything he has made that club relevant over the last 8 years. He probably won't celebrate because he wants the relationship after his career but why are we acting like players owe these billion dollar organizations their life..

  • @sonnycadbury9809
    @sonnycadbury9809 Рік тому

    Mate olise doesn’t even celebrate full stop so on this logic what do you say about him

  • @Llo834
    @Llo834 Рік тому

    It's always been performative

  • @joeldepas9928
    @joeldepas9928 Рік тому

    This is the best pitchside moment and clip ever!

  • @fabricecontent
    @fabricecontent Рік тому

    At the end of the day it’s a job, you leave to take a new job and end up taking a client from your old job are you gonna feel bad? No

  • @jonnydent777
    @jonnydent777 Рік тому

    Footballers need to protect their personal brand. Using Walcott as an example, he may have ambitions to return to Arsenal in a non playing role in the future. If he celebrates here he would not be accepted by the fans. We can talk about respect and thats how its portrayed but theres more to it. Adebayor could never become a striker coach at Arsenal for example. Maybe Tom should think more about his personal brand going forward before he slips up and starts talking about bombing countries for no apparent reason 🤣🙈

  • @MrCian47
    @MrCian47 Рік тому

    It’s not hard to not celebrate in front of fans who may have adored you and sung your name for years. Terrible take from big G.

  • @lukasheenberge915
    @lukasheenberge915 Рік тому +1

    Tom W

  • @njdbrasil6
    @njdbrasil6 Рік тому

    The team didn’t respect Walcott to keep him

  • @brendanmcnicholas6153
    @brendanmcnicholas6153 Рік тому

    Theo is out of line yet again. Players owe their former club absolutely zero. Sure, players may have respect for the club but they owe absolutely nothing to prior clubs. Theo's takes have gotten worse and worse, almost unbearable to listen to in recent episodes and watch alongs. Imagine thinking a professional wouldn't want to score against anyone, even their former side.

  • @guilol3d1999
    @guilol3d1999 Рік тому

    mate James Milner scores in Anfield and he's gonna celebrate?

  • @billymabum3514
    @billymabum3514 Рік тому

    He’s right , Walcott owes arsenal nothing

  • @danielauton6966
    @danielauton6966 Рік тому

    One of Tom’s biggest W’s

  • @kahlebhowarth-jennings9688
    @kahlebhowarth-jennings9688 2 місяці тому

    Always circumstantial

  • @chapsjohn7435
    @chapsjohn7435 6 місяців тому

    I fuckin loved it when van persie celebrated against arsenal

  • @connordean6232
    @connordean6232 Рік тому

    Never agreed with Tom Garrett more in my life

  • @sebb8789
    @sebb8789 Рік тому +2

    Tom has been taking too many L's recently and fraud watch is around the corner if he carries on. May I remind you this man said Alexander Isak was a one to watch at the world cup despite Sweden not even qualifying for it and proceeding to base his argument on that and saying Isak is overrated. Also, I think players have the right to celebrate against their former clubs and yes their loyalty should be primarily to their current employers but If a player feels their former club deserves respect and they have a connection to that club why should they celebrate and ruin their relationship and legacy at said club? You wouldn't go and celebrate your former workplace closing down even though they gave you good work conditions and a decent wage. Also its cringy how Tom is starting to call everything 'embarrassing'. Its really not embarrassing is it? Scoring 3 own goals is embarrassing, showing respect to a former club isn't. Tom needs to get off Twitter and stop trying to copy Buvey because what IS emarrassing is his attempt to try and stir shit up for the sake of it. It feels forced.

  • @alextromagnetic
    @alextromagnetic Рік тому

    Reev is absolutely correct

  • @ScottYoung29
    @ScottYoung29 Рік тому +1

    Tom speaking facts as per

  • @jamesokeefe4980
    @jamesokeefe4980 Рік тому

    Rare carrot L

  • @jonnydent777
    @jonnydent777 Рік тому +4

    Tik Tok guy in the cap just says anything to argue. The Katie Hopkins of football youtube. He will be cancelled soon. Already slipped a bombing comment out of no where...

  • @Rdon_Ranger
    @Rdon_Ranger Рік тому

    Gara, I’m ngl this is a bit of an L which is extremely rare for you lad

  • @cheeseshit999
    @cheeseshit999 Рік тому

    Its your job you shouldnt celebrate regardless!

  • @HumongousBeastBoi
    @HumongousBeastBoi Рік тому +1

    Rare Tom Garratt L

  • @mgdecimate3036
    @mgdecimate3036 Рік тому

    Well should the team not celebrate if they score against former team mates or international teammates out of respect hahahhaah

  • @forbesyt3423
    @forbesyt3423 Рік тому +1

    Common Tom W

  • @georgejohnson9056
    @georgejohnson9056 Рік тому

    we need a “mute tom” button for the next one

  • @MorganAriss
    @MorganAriss Рік тому

    Tom w

  • @davidmcinnes8144
    @davidmcinnes8144 Рік тому

    Theo and reev took massive L

  • @siraajuddin736
    @siraajuddin736 9 місяців тому

    This shit was hilarious😂

  • @Cch6991
    @Cch6991 Рік тому

    Common Garrett W

  • @joeldepas9928
    @joeldepas9928 Рік тому

    YESSS TOM lolol