To be fair, with the exception of Minthara, the dialogues with others appear as soon as you meet them, so it is not strange that they do not give it much importance. 
It is pretty hilarious to me that Minthara is the only one to immediately understand what level of murderous insanity you are actually confessing to instead of assuming you are 'just' feeling ashamed at taking a bit too much pleasure in killing people that 'deserve it'.
Minthara, Jaheira and Halsin seem to be the oldest and likely most experienced of the companions, they always seem to have more insight on matters than the other party membera.
@@jasonxing8112 Technically, a murderhobo in Menzoberranzan can get away with it... so long as they get away with it and can blame another for their fun. That or not piss anyone more important than them. Or at least that's what used to be the lore, dunno if they changed it recently.
Almost everyone just brushes it off as intrusive thoughts. "We all have that from time to time, it's ok" and then you have Minthara who's like "Not even a god known for violence can condone that."
@@dude8351 She encourages violence only in her name (=her enjoyment). She is in Abyss only bc of elven Pantheon... Death and murder are not her domains. Lies and ambitions are her power. It often lead to bloodshed or torment, but only as a tools to establish supremacy. Warriors, killers, or anyone else are for her "traitors" in domain of another god. She enjoys corrupting worshippers of others. And killing them...
I love how all companions give you unsolicited advice. "Look I'm not asking about anger managment tips here, I'm just informing you that you are in danger every time you turn your back on me."
Everybody: Don't worry about it. You'll figure it out. Dragonborn: I seriously and quite LITERALLY can not stop my self some times. I have contemplated suicide, self imposed exile and shackling my self before I sleep so I don't wake up with your blood on my hands, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!
_You barely resist the urge to murder your closest companion long enough wake them and tell them to restrain you_ Companion: I can't believe you didn't tell me about this, I feel so betrayed you'd hide something so important from your friends Durge: If I wasn't uncontrollably frothing at the mouth and howling profanities I'd say bruh
Most of them brush it off initially because they assume you're just having a case of the Mondays from all the shit that's happened. What with you being tadpole-ed and stranded somewhere you know nothing about. A very stressful situation. It's only when the Urge does a Manual Override Takeover that they go: "Oh shit, they were being literal."
I mean her kill count for childs of Baal is what? 5? 6? I realy lost count in Baldurs gate 2. She is also a romance option in there. So her joke about "Some bard tell that I slayed gods, some that I layed with gods." isn't a joke.
The Evil Drow being "Hold up, that sounds like those psychos in Menzoberranzan that EVEN LOLTH thought where too Bloodthirsty." (Also holy shit, too Bloodthirsty for Lolth? Damn!).
I'm literally doing a "Dark Urge but trying to be heroic" character named Paarthurnax specifically referencing this line! One of my fave characters in gaming.
"Gee I dunno Paarthurnax, maybe we should go ask all the innocents you slaughtered before having your change of heart what they think?" love the big guy, but that quote always rubs me the wrong way like it's saying someone who used to be a serial killer but stopped is a better person than someone who's never murdered anyone
Like... genuinely the concept of the Dark Urge is horrific and sad if you're playing someone who desperately doesn't want to do this and is trying at every turn to get help and warn the people around them... But there's something both darkly hilarious and weirdly touching about the responses as well. Funny as it is that they all kind of brush it off or assume it's just standard stuff, they're all also very understanding and reassuring. If the Dark Urge WAS talking about just standard "Not having a viscerally bad reaction to killing", the things they say would be very kind. But the Dark Urge ISN'T talking about that, and so it's just frustrating and isolating.
But imagine being one of their party members, especially when they find out exactly what the urge is, and where it comes from, and who they used to be.
@@crasterlongshanks4284 Except, and this kind of sucks, even if you go FULL carnage they're all just like: "Well ain't that a nifty transformation, but you kind of need a bath." As if they're not speaking to someone who has probably literally bathed in rotting corpses and routinely spends their nights fantasizing about carefully pealing their skin off like candied bacon to fashion a snazzy cape with.
In fairness, these are people who live in a world where violence and death is not an uncommon occurrence (in their profession as soldiers and adventurers, I mean. Most ordinary civilians would probably still be greatly disturbed by your confession.) Every single one of them has killed people, perhaps LOTS of people, and are thus somewhat desensitized to death and the regular bloodlust that comes with battle. Most of them, except for Minthara and especially Jaheira, do not truly understand what it is that afflicts you, like a deep, uncontrollable compulsion to do something that you know is not right, but you are powerless to stop.
Minthara is interesting in that shes often the mlst lucid and rational of the companions. Shes probably evil, but shes rational snd experienced, and is quick to understand both the danger of your Bhaalspawn nature and also encoiurages you to master it rather than the opposite.
I wouldn't define her as evil. She's merciless, resolute, driven. She's also damaged goods. But I dont see much difference between her and Lae'zel in the good vs evil regard. If anything, she's more humane.
Gale has some of the funniest reactions to things. lol XD Like here it's as if he's trying to sympathize with a fellow person with impulsive thought, not realizing that it's actually intrusive thoughts. XD lol
Jaheira's response is definitely goated, I'm definitely going to try and keep her around for my DU playthrough, sad that she died in my current playthrough
Me every time I told one of the Origin companions: "Look guys, I appreciate the attempt to comfort me, but this isn't your garden variety anger issues"
"I nearly choose to chop your hand and leave you stuck between portals to savor your pain, but yeah it's kind of like being mad about not getting your favorite book."
DU: I literally deeply desire to cause horrific harm to all of you. The party: nahw don't worry we are your trusted companions and always remember that you are loved and we're here for you if you ever need to talk or want to go out and hunt some enemies together :)) Me, who quick saved before choosing these dialogue options because I was sure I would be shunned immediately: ?????
Some people are calling it goofy but it's unfortunately very accurate to how people react to At Risk People admitting their ideations. They always downplay it until they see it. I don't have any experience in it myself but my psych professor told a pretty horrific story about it one time. Dude ended up murdering his whole family.
@@Nobody-wx6rk People want honesty. If you can do bad and evil things and are honest about it then people know where they stand. I tell people I can destroy them and I get thanked for it. Just know where you step. As the drow states, the difference is control.
I like of all the characters the fucking drow the canonical murder race is the one to show caution with the player admitting to having murder urges while everyone else is like "Yeah that's cool, just kill the bad guys thou, ok?"
One thing I like, and it's quite sad, about this is that it is a good reflection of mental health. If you change the dark urge for any mental illness or condition, depression, suicidal thoughts, schizoid, bipolar, borderline, ADHD, and so on, usually what also makes it hard to talk about is the fact that people won't take it seriously, regardless of how it is for you or those around you, and then when that condition shows its face, they are still surprised and hold it against the person.
As someone who has suicidal tendencies, major depressive disorder, autism, and adhd. I find that it's not just neurotypical people but other neurodivergent people as well.
@@Foogi9000 Certainly, trying to wrap your head around a different thought process, not just mindset, not just perspective, is really, really hard. Thankfully I think more awareness has made things slightly better. Anyway, stay strong my dude/my girl!
Lol yeah, I have ASPD and I'm more prone to urges and acting emotional if I don't take a second to think. So the character struggling with their inner struggle of violence was slightly relatable. SLIGHTY ! LIKE DONT get me wrong the urge to hurt kitties is real but controlling it is easier when you have morals literally battered on you.
My Durge who is fighting the urge: Hey gang I’m concerned about these intense extremely violence thoughts and fantasies that overcome me and cause dizzy spells Everyone else: damn bro, I am also upset about being kidnapped and infected. We all get murderous thoughts from time to time. Anyways I’m sure it’s fine. Everyone else after The First Incident: yo bro wtf! Why’d you do that?! This is so shocking and upsetting! My Durge:🙃
Durge's flat expression while Gale rambles is perfect. At least Wyll is trying to be kind. ... Jaheira's logic that Durge hasn't earned the *mercy* of death doesn't make sense, though. A better train of thought might have been her admitting she hopes they might turn from that path.
@@BeefMeisterSupreme I know that. Doesn't mean the logic "you haven't learned the mercy of death" doesn't make sense. She's dealt with Bhaalspawn before, their death would be prevention of harm, not reward.
To be fair, calling Jaheira blunt would mean that you think hammers cut, it is THAT much of an understatment. And for what I'm watching, years hadn't made her any less cutting with her remarks (pun not intended... at first, now I'm keeping it). That and she has experience with bhaalspawns, both good and bad. So you haven't "earned yet" the "mercy" of Death, unlike Sarevok, because you still aren't at that point. You may end as Gorion's ward, and earn instead the joy of Life. So to speak. Or you may end in between, a murder machine, but without control, unlike Sarevok. In that case, it would truly be merciful to kill your PC.
There are fates worse then death. Therefor death is a mercy. So saying death is a mercy makes sense. Death is a average Tuesday in D&D. Go to hell, come back again. Not that big a deal TBH. But break someone? Mess with their mind? BG2 makes that very point and does it perfectly. Jerheira was even there for it. So she'd know.
Well, of course Gale is trying to be kind in his own, rambly way. He's trying to bring relatability and humour and lighten the mood of an otherwise bleak topic, which many people in similar situations in real life. It's very human of him, makes him feel..... real. It also makes sense they'd all respond the way they do, seeing as how he and the other companions don't fully understand the gravity of it all, lol. He comforts (as previously mentioned) as best as he can, and he of course cares about Durge just like almost all of the other companions do (except for Minthara lol, she's actually just EVIL). Funny, everyone's initial thoughts on the Durge mirror peoples' reactions to mental illness in real life. Interesting.
@@helflower2025 His corpse is in Bhaal's temple after he loses to Orin if you didn't play as him. Which is fitting considering the damage from an impromptu brain surgery by your sister followed by tadpoling and having your body ravage by a yandere cultist broght him back down to level 1.
Gale: Everyone got intrusive thoughts you're not special Wyll: Yeah, we've been through a lot. Lae'Zel: Ooh, nice. Karlach: That's a good first therapy session Shadowheart: Well, you know what's going on, that already makes you better than most murderous rabble. Minthara: Why you telling me, fool? Imma gut you. Jaheira: idk why you're like this, but be good a good boy and save the world.
I've been doing a dark urge playthrough. None of the companions have survived first contact with me (well, Gale might still be alive, just minus an arm) other than than Minthara, who might have survived first contact but definitely didn't survive the coital afterglow.
you tell them what you want to do, nobody bats an eye, you kill a bard, they just get slightly concerned, you kill your lover, then suddenly everyone and their grandmothers are attacking you
God, as someone who struggled with a lot of mental issues, these responces from most of the characters just feel...real. So often when I talked about my struggles with depression or ADHD, I would ge similar responces. And while I know they were trying to be supportive, I also knew they didn't really understand what I was trying to say.
I am about to finish my playthrough as Dark Urge who resists the urge. Most of the companions do treat the urge as if it is a mildest thing. Companions who are abojt to die lost memories sold their souls do not carr about the murderous intetn potential curse etc. Dark Urge sure seems like is a afterthough last moment addition to me. I still enjoyed it though.
i think that the only thing it needs is to tune the reactions of companions that have been warned vs not been warned. Thats the thing makes it feel weird is that even if you warned them about your urges and being a Baalspawn then when the Alfira and Gortash scenes happen they react like you never told them. Is understanble if everyone doesnt get the gravity of what the DU is confessing but after Alfira they all should be like "oh shit, THIS is what you were refering to".
I don't blame the majority of them brushing it off because they literally *can't* understand what it is like to be Bhaalspawn. Only Jaheria knows because she is the companion of the Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 protagonist. She witnessed firsthand their own "dark urge" to hurt people when she saw the Slayer Form. But at least with Lae'zel, she at least offers some suggestions on how to calm the urge even though she doesn't understand the full nature of it. And Minthara is right to be weary due to her own people's experiences.
To what extent is the nature of one's birth or lineage responsible for their actions, and can we ever truly escape or reshape the destiny that's preordained for us?
You need to play playscape torment no other game I've ever played has tackled as hard hitting philosophical questions about the nature of a man than that game.
@@Samuel-ut7mj I've read that you can actually get Wyll, Karlach, AND Minthara. All it requires is that you do not partake in the druids vs goblins matter. You get wyll, get karlach, and find your way to moonrise towers.
I love both Lae'zel and Karlach's responses XD. Lae'zel's just like "same bruh..." and Karlach over there's like "Oh sweet baby we'll get through this together! We can fix you!"
An abnormally accepting party: Its fiiine, we've all been there, buddy :) Durge, visibly shaking, a freshly dead bard hidden in the background: Nooope, I don't think you understand
Minthara's VA does Jenit Sulla in the Ciaphas Cain audiobooks, whenever Minthara speaks I kind of expect to hear about how the "Valhallan 597th Rose like a Phoenix from the Flames to smash the Enemies of the God-Emperor in Glorious Combat"
Bro ngl dark urge is so hard for me because I just can’t bring myself to kill bella nor the camp😭 bro it just doesn’t feel good I have restarted 4 times just to not kill her every time I just can’t
Then just don't kill her ? Letting her live and then saving your lover/most trusted companion from yourself is a valid way to continue the quest. Unless you want to go full Bhaalspawn but even then you can get into Daddy dearest good graces later on.
Will Jaheira know even if you haven't killed anyone else and haven't turned slayer? Haven't reached that point myself yet. Technically this is spoilers for me xD
@@PerfectParadoxAs far as I know he has one after your "first victim" bard is murdered, he goes "ooo~ I know your little secret, I'll pretend not to know" even if you insist you didn't know what you were doing, otherwise nothing
I started dark urge and at the first long rest you have a restless sleep and next morning he’s all concerned and you can tell him all the murderous desires and thoughts in your head. He pretty much tells you to embrace the dark side and enjoy it . He was all excited about it too.
Too bad this dialogue has been borked for Minthara since Patch 5. I guess it's a small price to pay for the Potent Robe & Dammon's gear, but every Minthara line lost is a tragedy.
I just started play the game im 6 hours in, cleared the Goblin camp and i have no idea whats this dark urge is also you can recruit the drow leader? I just killed her to compleate the mission.
Something I read is that you can give the dark urge to any character you make but it looks like it's only for this white dragonborn guy or is that the default for him or her?
I've seen videos of other races with the dark urge. I think the dragon guy is just what naturally starts out with it. Speaking of the dragon guy, holy crap he looks so cool!
I don't like that no one is willing to be evil with you, it makes the dark urge gameplay extremely irritating. I went out of my way to get Minthara for an evil character and she reacts worse than all of them. I lost interest after that.
Its so weird that even after your first kill right in the middle of camp the whole squad sort of just shrug their shoulders and don't really care, with only Karlach seemingly mildly concerned, absolutely wild how the only actual reaction you get is from someone who is for all intensive purposes, a villain.
If you romance karlach eventually your urge wants you to kill her *but* if you stave off the urge you can (minor spoilers) warn her and she ties you up for the night while going "awww poor baby, you don't scare me :)" while you're screaming possessed curses in a feverish delerium
For me the one with the strongest reaction was Gale, actually. To the point of feeling a tad colder after that despite being the companion with the highest approval. And Karlach was the only one to not have something to say about it, weird.
![Gortash and Dark Urge meeting, with Companion Reactions [Spoilers]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MALvzZZwEy8/mqdefault.jpg)
the dark urge: *[a literal cry for help]*
90% of the party: "Its okay everyone feels like that sometimes :)"
"I literally want to kill people in horrific, violent ways in every waking moment."
"Relatable af, slay"
To be fair, with the exception of Minthara, the dialogues with others appear as soon as you meet them, so it is not strange that they do not give it much importance.

@@Selfency "Yes, and? Welcome to Faerun, everybody feels that way all of the time."
Minthara is the best for durge she explains why and lolth won't even mess with them
your suffering is so freaking valid hunny
It is pretty hilarious to me that Minthara is the only one to immediately understand what level of murderous insanity you are actually confessing to instead of assuming you are 'just' feeling ashamed at taking a bit too much pleasure in killing people that 'deserve it'.
Minthara, Jaheira and Halsin seem to be the oldest and likely most experienced of the companions, they always seem to have more insight on matters than the other party membera.
@@Crownsnek Jaheira at least has traveled with a Bhaalspawn before (BG1 and 2) and has seen what they can be capable of
Considering how fked up drow society is, I guess it's pretty normal that drows have a better understanding of what a murderhobo is.
@@Crownsnek Ikr, what a shame they're such minor characters playing minor roles in your PC's story.
@@jasonxing8112 Technically, a murderhobo in Menzoberranzan can get away with it... so long as they get away with it and can blame another for their fun. That or not piss anyone more important than them. Or at least that's what used to be the lore, dunno if they changed it recently.
I like how everyone else gives advice and Lae’zels just like “Bet”
love her sm
And that's why she's the coolest.
@@arnice2570frog lady got 1 shotted by the gith patrol after I forgot to save her form the cage
Almost everyone just brushes it off as intrusive thoughts. "We all have that from time to time, it's ok" and then you have Minthara who's like "Not even a god known for violence can condone that."
Well it's a domain of another god. She has no jurisdiction or power over them...
Only if Gale knew...
well there are gods that would, demon lords as well
*not even a goddess that ENCOURAGES violence can deal with that
And Lolth lives in the Abyss, a place with WH40k levels of carnage
@@dude8351 She encourages violence only in her name (=her enjoyment). She is in Abyss only bc of elven Pantheon... Death and murder are not her domains.
Lies and ambitions are her power.
It often lead to bloodshed or torment, but only as a tools to establish supremacy.
Warriors, killers, or anyone else are for her "traitors" in domain of another god.
She enjoys corrupting worshippers of others. And killing them...
I love how all companions give you unsolicited advice.
"Look I'm not asking about anger managment tips here, I'm just informing you that you are in danger every time you turn your back on me."
Everybody: Don't worry about it. You'll figure it out.
Dragonborn: I seriously and quite LITERALLY can not stop my self some times. I have contemplated suicide, self imposed exile and shackling my self before I sleep so I don't wake up with your blood on my hands, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!
Everybody: "Yeah, I once got angry too. It wasn't nice, but you got this big dog."
They dont give a fuck even after the incident with the bard
"Hut hut!"
_You barely resist the urge to murder your closest companion long enough wake them and tell them to restrain you_
Companion: I can't believe you didn't tell me about this, I feel so betrayed you'd hide something so important from your friends
Durge: If I wasn't uncontrollably frothing at the mouth and howling profanities I'd say bruh
@PhantomJavelin what makes less sense is we literally do tell them about our uncontrollable urge to kill and maim
Most of them brush it off initially because they assume you're just having a case of the Mondays from all the shit that's happened. What with you being tadpole-ed and stranded somewhere you know nothing about. A very stressful situation.
It's only when the Urge does a Manual Override Takeover that they go: "Oh shit, they were being literal."
I like that Jaheria is one of the only people that is like "okay this is serious I will help you keep it under control"
I mean her kill count for childs of Baal is what? 5? 6? I realy lost count in Baldurs gate 2. She is also a romance option in there. So her joke about "Some bard tell that I slayed gods, some that I layed with gods." isn't a joke.
@@discoted7869FACTS, especially if you romance her in BG2 considering you can literally become a God in that game
@@davidsoyele7829You can become a God?
@@GigiBranconi at the end of the game, you can ascend and become the new lord of murder
@@davidsoyele7829 ouch
The Evil Drow being "Hold up, that sounds like those psychos in Menzoberranzan that EVEN LOLTH thought where too Bloodthirsty." (Also holy shit, too Bloodthirsty for Lolth? Damn!).
If they won’t listen to Lolth’s commands and kill the right people then what use are they?
Now you know that shit is serious.
They prefer more refined torture and warfare rather than constant wanting Slaughter
She's a Tyrant. Murderers she can't control are liabilities.
I believe Lolth prefers concentrated bloodlust and violence that can serve her purpose. Not uncontrollable rage that hurts both friend and foe alike
"Is it better to be born good, or to overcome one's own evil nature through great effort?"
Ok, Paarthurnax. Go back to your mountain and bore some Greybeards
I'm literally doing a "Dark Urge but trying to be heroic" character named Paarthurnax specifically referencing this line! One of my fave characters in gaming.
Nicely put. Perhaps my next run will follow suit.
"Gee I dunno Paarthurnax, maybe we should go ask all the innocents you slaughtered before having your change of heart what they think?"
love the big guy, but that quote always rubs me the wrong way like it's saying someone who used to be a serial killer but stopped is a better person than someone who's never murdered anyone
“Great effort, and save scumming”
Like... genuinely the concept of the Dark Urge is horrific and sad if you're playing someone who desperately doesn't want to do this and is trying at every turn to get help and warn the people around them...
But there's something both darkly hilarious and weirdly touching about the responses as well. Funny as it is that they all kind of brush it off or assume it's just standard stuff, they're all also very understanding and reassuring. If the Dark Urge WAS talking about just standard "Not having a viscerally bad reaction to killing", the things they say would be very kind. But the Dark Urge ISN'T talking about that, and so it's just frustrating and isolating.
It feels like trying to explain severe mental illness to neurotypical people tbh
@@Hawkent Someone trying to explain being OCD to someone who describes themselves as OCD because they like things clean.
But imagine being one of their party members, especially when they find out exactly what the urge is, and where it comes from, and who they used to be.
@@crasterlongshanks4284 Except, and this kind of sucks, even if you go FULL carnage they're all just like: "Well ain't that a nifty transformation, but you kind of need a bath."
As if they're not speaking to someone who has probably literally bathed in rotting corpses and routinely spends their nights fantasizing about carefully pealing their skin off like candied bacon to fashion a snazzy cape with.
In fairness, these are people who live in a world where violence and death is not an uncommon occurrence (in their profession as soldiers and adventurers, I mean. Most ordinary civilians would probably still be greatly disturbed by your confession.) Every single one of them has killed people, perhaps LOTS of people, and are thus somewhat desensitized to death and the regular bloodlust that comes with battle. Most of them, except for Minthara and especially Jaheira, do not truly understand what it is that afflicts you, like a deep, uncontrollable compulsion to do something that you know is not right, but you are powerless to stop.
"It's alright, as long as you keep those fantasies, fantasies."
Well that's the fucking problem, I can't promise I will be able to do that.
Wyll : I understand...
Dark Urge : did you see what I did to that squirrel?
Minthara is interesting in that shes often the mlst lucid and rational of the companions. Shes probably evil, but shes rational snd experienced, and is quick to understand both the danger of your Bhaalspawn nature and also encoiurages you to master it rather than the opposite.
I wouldn't define her as evil. She's merciless, resolute, driven. She's also damaged goods. But I dont see much difference between her and Lae'zel in the good vs evil regard. If anything, she's more humane.
PC: 'I AM THE LITERAL CHILD OF THE GOD OF MURDER'
Companions: 'Eh, we all get a little angry sometime.'
You can just feel the "please take this seriously for the love of God" radiating from the PC's face at 0:49
I love how much expression they put in even the dragonborn's lizard face
It’s like a cry for help that no one listens to
seeing gale react to it is just funny as i ended up with hes hand in my inventory. kept it the entire game
Gale has some of the funniest reactions to things. lol XD Like here it's as if he's trying to sympathize with a fellow person with impulsive thought, not realizing that it's actually intrusive thoughts. XD lol
Does do anything?
@@rasendori20 i didnt find a use for it but i softlocked myself in act 3 so there might be a late act 3 use for it
I know of one use; you can use it to enter the temple of Bhaal un act 3.
@@Moffattt You can throw it at traps to set them off then pick it back up again. It is nigh indestructible for some reason.
Jaheira's response is definitely goated, I'm definitely going to try and keep her around for my DU playthrough, sad that she died in my current playthrough
Well she was around Abdel the whole BG1-2 and she was there at throne of Baal, when Abdel literaly become a mortal, and goes back to Candlekeep
Me every time I told one of the Origin companions:
"Look guys, I appreciate the attempt to comfort me, but this isn't your garden variety anger issues"
Gale need a hand to understand the gracvity of what the Dark Urge is confessing
"I nearly choose to chop your hand and leave you stuck between portals to savor your pain, but yeah it's kind of like being mad about not getting your favorite book."
DU: I literally deeply desire to cause horrific harm to all of you.
The party: nahw don't worry we are your trusted companions and always remember that you are loved and we're here for you if you ever need to talk or want to go out and hunt some enemies together :))
Me, who quick saved before choosing these dialogue options because I was sure I would be shunned immediately: ?????
Failed successfully!
Good way to put the bloodlust on pause isn't it? The player gets support AND the party even offers to find some victims with you.
Win win.
Also the party: *Slutshames you for getting aroused in public*....except Astarion 😂
Everyone is like, well as long as you know you have a problem everything will be ok. When it's actually super not ok.
Some people are calling it goofy but it's unfortunately very accurate to how people react to At Risk People admitting their ideations. They always downplay it until they see it. I don't have any experience in it myself but my psych professor told a pretty horrific story about it one time. Dude ended up murdering his whole family.
@@Nobody-wx6rk People want honesty. If you can do bad and evil things and are honest about it then people know where they stand.
I tell people I can destroy them and I get thanked for it. Just know where you step. As the drow states, the difference is control.
Minthara sounds like understanding mother for her anger issue child lol
I like of all the characters the fucking drow the canonical murder race is the one to show caution with the player admitting to having murder urges while everyone else is like "Yeah that's cool, just kill the bad guys thou, ok?"
One thing I like, and it's quite sad, about this is that it is a good reflection of mental health. If you change the dark urge for any mental illness or condition, depression, suicidal thoughts, schizoid, bipolar, borderline, ADHD, and so on, usually what also makes it hard to talk about is the fact that people won't take it seriously, regardless of how it is for you or those around you, and then when that condition shows its face, they are still surprised and hold it against the person.
As someone who has suicidal tendencies, major depressive disorder, autism, and adhd. I find that it's not just neurotypical people but other neurodivergent people as well.
@@Foogi9000 Certainly, trying to wrap your head around a different thought process, not just mindset, not just perspective, is really, really hard. Thankfully I think more awareness has made things slightly better.
Anyway, stay strong my dude/my girl!
Lol yeah, I have ASPD and I'm more prone to urges and acting emotional if I don't take a second to think. So the character struggling with their inner struggle of violence was slightly relatable. SLIGHTY ! LIKE DONT get me wrong the urge to hurt kitties is real but controlling it is easier when you have morals literally battered on you.
lol gale really did go "everyones a little adhd" on the dirge huh
You romanced companion: "you should have told me sooner about this my love."
Also your romanced companions. Upon doing just that:
"I can fix him/her"
My Durge who is fighting the urge: Hey gang I’m concerned about these intense extremely violence thoughts and fantasies that overcome me and cause dizzy spells
Everyone else: damn bro, I am also upset about being kidnapped and infected. We all get murderous thoughts from time to time. Anyways I’m sure it’s fine.
Everyone else after The First Incident: yo bro wtf! Why’d you do that?! This is so shocking and upsetting!
My Durge:🙃
The murder hobo drow lecturing the player about doing too much murder hobo.
Ironic.
She IS onlyone who understand what you talk about. And also know there is too much even for murder hobo.
*Dark urge standing over the mutilated corpse of a dead bard*
"look, I don't wanna say I told you so, but..."
Durge's flat expression while Gale rambles is perfect. At least Wyll is trying to be kind.
... Jaheira's logic that Durge hasn't earned the *mercy* of death doesn't make sense, though. A better train of thought might have been her admitting she hopes they might turn from that path.
she is very likely aware of your past before you lost your memories
@@BeefMeisterSupreme I know that. Doesn't mean the logic "you haven't learned the mercy of death" doesn't make sense. She's dealt with Bhaalspawn before, their death would be prevention of harm, not reward.
To be fair, calling Jaheira blunt would mean that you think hammers cut, it is THAT much of an understatment. And for what I'm watching, years hadn't made her any less cutting with her remarks (pun not intended... at first, now I'm keeping it). That and she has experience with bhaalspawns, both good and bad. So you haven't "earned yet" the "mercy" of Death, unlike Sarevok, because you still aren't at that point. You may end as Gorion's ward, and earn instead the joy of Life. So to speak. Or you may end in between, a murder machine, but without control, unlike Sarevok. In that case, it would truly be merciful to kill your PC.
There are fates worse then death. Therefor death is a mercy. So saying death is a mercy makes sense.
Death is a average Tuesday in D&D. Go to hell, come back again. Not that big a deal TBH. But break someone? Mess with their mind? BG2 makes that very point and does it perfectly. Jerheira was even there for it. So she'd know.
Well, of course Gale is trying to be kind in his own, rambly way. He's trying to bring relatability and humour and lighten the mood of an otherwise bleak topic, which many people in similar situations in real life. It's very human of him, makes him feel..... real. It also makes sense they'd all respond the way they do, seeing as how he and the other companions don't fully understand the gravity of it all, lol. He comforts (as previously mentioned) as best as he can, and he of course cares about Durge just like almost all of the other companions do (except for Minthara lol, she's actually just EVIL). Funny, everyone's initial thoughts on the Durge mirror peoples' reactions to mental illness in real life. Interesting.
Feels like the dark urge is a Canon character considering its so closely related to baldurs 1 and 2
He is actually a non-recruitable NPC that you can find in game if you don’t play as him!
@@helflower2025 Cool! in which act that you can find him?
@@Pangster I believe it’s act 2? I might be wrong
@@helflower2025 His corpse is in Bhaal's temple after he loses to Orin if you didn't play as him. Which is fitting considering the damage from an impromptu brain surgery by your sister followed by tadpoling and having your body ravage by a yandere cultist broght him back down to level 1.
Been chewing on Gale’s hand since day 1.
Shadowheart is so sweet. As someone with OCD, I appreciate her advice.
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And that's why Shadowheart is best girl!
Man I love minthara
I just couldn't kill her because I felt she would be perfect in my evil party
Gale: Everyone got intrusive thoughts you're not special
Wyll: Yeah, we've been through a lot.
Lae'Zel: Ooh, nice.
Karlach: That's a good first therapy session
Shadowheart: Well, you know what's going on, that already makes you better than most murderous rabble.
Minthara: Why you telling me, fool? Imma gut you.
Jaheira: idk why you're like this, but be good a good boy and save the world.
I've been doing a dark urge playthrough. None of the companions have survived first contact with me (well, Gale might still be alive, just minus an arm) other than than Minthara, who might have survived first contact but definitely didn't survive the coital afterglow.
you tell them what you want to do, nobody bats an eye, you kill a bard, they just get slightly concerned, you kill your lover, then suddenly everyone and their grandmothers are attacking you
Hearing these lines made me feel so... alien and alone.
So.... This is just Larion's way of legitimize murderhobo-ing.
God, as someone who struggled with a lot of mental issues, these responces from most of the characters just feel...real. So often when I talked about my struggles with depression or ADHD, I would ge similar responces. And while I know they were trying to be supportive, I also knew they didn't really understand what I was trying to say.
I am about to finish my playthrough as Dark Urge who resists the urge. Most of the companions do treat the urge as if it is a mildest thing. Companions who are abojt to die lost memories sold their souls do not carr about the murderous intetn potential curse etc. Dark Urge sure seems like is a afterthough last moment addition to me. I still enjoyed it though.
i think that the only thing it needs is to tune the reactions of companions that have been warned vs not been warned. Thats the thing makes it feel weird is that even if you warned them about your urges and being a Baalspawn then when the Alfira and Gortash scenes happen they react like you never told them.
Is understanble if everyone doesnt get the gravity of what the DU is confessing but after Alfira they all should be like "oh shit, THIS is what you were refering to".
@@BioMatic2 Hey, game's still being updated. Who knows? Maybe they'll add something like that.
@killstrike-zn1lv There's probably going to be a definitive edition for BG3.
I don't blame the majority of them brushing it off because they literally *can't* understand what it is like to be Bhaalspawn. Only Jaheria knows because she is the companion of the Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 protagonist. She witnessed firsthand their own "dark urge" to hurt people when she saw the Slayer Form. But at least with Lae'zel, she at least offers some suggestions on how to calm the urge even though she doesn't understand the full nature of it. And Minthara is right to be weary due to her own people's experiences.
To what extent is the nature of one's birth or lineage responsible for their actions, and can we ever truly escape or reshape the destiny that's preordained for us?
Yes.
It is not destiny if you can change it.
The difference is knowledge and ignorance. The more you learn the more you can control your own fate.
@@Veldazandtea Or realize how truly powerless you are.
You need to play playscape torment no other game I've ever played has tackled as hard hitting philosophical questions about the nature of a man than that game.
Karlach being the good we all need in our lives
Tav: Guy's I have an insatiable bloodlust that I can't control, please help me.
Everyone: Nahhhh, you're fine, we all got problems too ya know?
Is Gale's quote a reference to 4e? lol
What are those black marks on the Dark Urge's body while he is talking to Jaheira?
Possible outcome of the event at the beginning of act 3
My family's reaction when I tell them I'm severely depressed and that I'm at the very fringe of undoing my own existence:
Wait minthrara is a companion? Well shit I killed her without much thought lol
Yes, but it's either her or Halsin, you can only have one or the other.
@@ShadowWolfRisingit’s either her or Halsin, Wyll and Karlach
@@Samuel-ut7mj I've read that you can actually get Wyll, Karlach, AND Minthara. All it requires is that you do not partake in the druids vs goblins matter. You get wyll, get karlach, and find your way to moonrise towers.
@@Samuel-ut7mjYou can convince Wyll to back down and get them both. They get a nice friendship too.
I didn’t know Halsin becomes a companion. When does that happen? All he does in loiter in my camp lol
How’s the only one who’s fucking normal about your confessions is Mynthara... everybody else is like “awwww pooor baby”
“Is there any reason you chose me as your confidant in this matter” yes because no one else is fucking taking this seriously
I love both Lae'zel and Karlach's responses XD. Lae'zel's just like "same bruh..." and Karlach over there's like "Oh sweet baby we'll get through this together! We can fix you!"
Shit, I kinda wanna get Minthara as a companion now
Who's this guy talking at the beginning? Has the same accent of the guys arm I cut off.😂
Twould be gale, the bloke whose arm you cut off 😂
Guess on that playthrough, he discovered just how far your 'fantasies' truly go..!
An abnormally accepting party: Its fiiine, we've all been there, buddy :)
Durge, visibly shaking, a freshly dead bard hidden in the background: Nooope, I don't think you understand
The funniest part is that dark urge has amnesia. So when they say that it's totally normal, they have no reason not to believe it.
Minthara’s reaction kinda makes me curious whether there are more bhaalspawn in the underdark because the description is uncanny
I love the intro for durge it's one of my favorite
Something about the dragonborn’s face looks sad.
Like the weight of this confession is hard to stomach.
Minthara's VA does Jenit Sulla in the Ciaphas Cain audiobooks, whenever Minthara speaks I kind of expect to hear about how the "Valhallan 597th Rose like a Phoenix from the Flames to smash the Enemies of the God-Emperor in Glorious Combat"
It is even funnier if you confess your urge, after killing Alfira, and they are like "nah, that's normal"
Jaheria's scene plays differently if you've recruited Minsc.
I wonder if Bhaal himself is somehow dulling their reaction to make sure his favorite child can go forth and murder unhindered.
Bro ngl dark urge is so hard for me because I just can’t bring myself to kill bella nor the camp😭 bro it just doesn’t feel good I have restarted 4 times just to not kill her every time I just can’t
Then just don't kill her ? Letting her live and then saving your lover/most trusted companion from yourself is a valid way to continue the quest.
Unless you want to go full Bhaalspawn but even then you can get into Daddy dearest good graces later on.
@@jankieek8218 that’s the point I’m trying to play as a full spawn but I can’t💀💀💀 well couldn’t 💀
@@ifancyyourmotionsawaaah8489 ah got you, then yeah that isn't s easy decision.
Will Jaheira know even if you haven't killed anyone else and haven't turned slayer? Haven't reached that point myself yet. Technically this is spoilers for me xD
What’s funny is I made sure to tell all my companions about the urges and yet they made excuses for it then acted shocked when I murdered a person
So you are telling me Dark Urge is basically.
"The Faerun Psycho" aka Not-Patrick Bateman.
Later that day: I AM THE GREAT RAVENGER!
Party: okay...now your going on deep end friend.
Minthara: Fuck ya my dude *high fives*.
No Astarion reaction?
I couldn't seem to find any prompt for him. I checked back all through the game and nothing not sure if it was a bug or something.
@@PerfectParadoxAs far as I know he has one after your "first victim" bard is murdered, he goes "ooo~ I know your little secret, I'll pretend not to know" even if you insist you didn't know what you were doing, otherwise nothing
@@PerfectParadoxHe brings it up with you. He’s all like “my tadpole and I get along well so what is really up with you?”
I started dark urge and at the first long rest you have a restless sleep and next morning he’s all concerned and you can tell him all the murderous desires and thoughts in your head. He pretty much tells you to embrace the dark side and enjoy it . He was all excited about it too.
Too bad this dialogue has been borked for Minthara since Patch 5. I guess it's a small price to pay for the Potent Robe & Dammon's gear, but every Minthara line lost is a tragedy.
I just started play the game im 6 hours in, cleared the Goblin camp and i have no idea whats this dark urge is also you can recruit the drow leader? I just killed her to compleate the mission.
I think you can side with her to attack the grove
Something I read is that you can give the dark urge to any character you make but it looks like it's only for this white dragonborn guy or is that the default for him or her?
I've seen videos of other races with the dark urge. I think the dragon guy is just what naturally starts out with it. Speaking of the dragon guy, holy crap he looks so cool!
Is it possible to side with the tieflings when playing the Dark Urge?
Yes
Urge does not make anything impossible. Even the first death *avoiding spoiler* 'can' live
@@dasuberpandafirst death? What if i cut someone hand as urge? Is he life?
@@dasuberpanda wait how do you resist it i thought it was mandatory
You say to the person that they cannot join you, then they'll survive.@@usurpererenyeagar4587
why minthara kinda...
I don't like that no one is willing to be evil with you, it makes the dark urge gameplay extremely irritating. I went out of my way to get Minthara for an evil character and she reacts worse than all of them. I lost interest after that.
In short: nobody cares.
Its so weird that even after your first kill right in the middle of camp the whole squad sort of just shrug their shoulders and don't really care, with only Karlach seemingly mildly concerned, absolutely wild how the only actual reaction you get is from someone who is for all intensive purposes, a villain.
If you romance karlach eventually your urge wants you to kill her *but* if you stave off the urge you can (minor spoilers)
warn her and she ties you up for the night while going "awww poor baby, you don't scare me :)" while you're screaming possessed curses in a feverish delerium
Life is EXTREMELY cheap in fantasy settings.
"all intents and purposes"
@@HellecticMojo That will happen when characters can go to hell and come back again. Oblivion is harder to do.
For me the one with the strongest reaction was Gale, actually. To the point of feeling a tad colder after that despite being the companion with the highest approval. And Karlach was the only one to not have something to say about it, weird.
So far I haven’t seen halsin or minsc in anyones clips