Am I triggered? No not really, I do find it irritating that someone made a video nitpicking a genre without proper research? Of course. I honestly feel sorry for the guy for having such a closed mind and assuming that “stoner doom” is filled to the brim with untalented drug addicted Neanderthals. Scott I give you a solid 5 out of 5 for the great commentary. Guy with the hat I give you 2 points for making a video about “stoner doom” but deduct 5 points for lack of reach on said topic. Thanks for playing and better luck next time 🤘
Finn’s opinions on metal are basic at best, biased at worst. And VERY uninformed. Gimme a break! 🙄 I’ve stated so much on his videos. I don’t pay, so I couldn’t hope to be challenged. 🤷
The "lack of songwriting" comment is the whole point of his video. I kind of get it, as I've gotten a bit burned out on dime a dozen riffs and harsh vocals getting rehashed. That said some of my favorite songs, riffs and vocalists of all time are in this genre, not even counting Sabbath. For every generic stoner band there is an All Them Witches, King Buffalo, Acid Bath, or Cathedral. I loved this music before I ever tried weed and I still love it now that Im sober.
That video popped up in my feed when it first came out. I remember laughing a lot as I listened to him. Finn's take on this genre is done entirely from the perspective of someone who knows next to nothing about it. Quoting Wikipedia for info on anything, but especially this genre isn't going to endear you to anyone. About the only thing I agree with him about is the associated imagery with stoner doom. It can be overly cliche with tons of bands leaning into it for whatever reason. But the music has evolved so much over the last 30 years, it barely feels like the same genre that produced Kyuss and Sleep. Hints of it here and there, but there is way more psychedelic influences to be found now. And Psych is a much broader based genre, so the influences have way more variety these days. I can't understand what possessed him to make an opinion video on a genre of music that he is woefully ignorant of? It really comes off more like trolling than an actual take. He should have at least done a little homework first. And he should have watched how often he contradicted himself before posting it.
I can confidently state that I am Gen X & not remotely jealous or envious of Boomers or Millennials. This is exactly the blanket statement stuff from both sides that is beyond annoying. I find it nauseating yet hysterical the people that have zero clue what it takes to create music have so much to say about it especially regarding process. I have many songs in this genre & my songs have NOTHING to do with weed or alcohol. His attack on dudes addicted to fuzz pedals being boring is kinda accurate but that represents a small sliver of the bands in this genre. There is a lot going on conceptually with a lot of bands & hybriding other seemingly disparate genres. One of the best Doom bands going is Divide & Dissolve. NOTHING to do with drugs. I love the idea of being a sober musician that makes music that sounds like I would have to be on drugs. End Rant
@@thearchetypecrimes the entire album from my band my lyrics were based off my near death experience with my alcoholism and getting sober...that guy seems to have a god complex about how important his voice about genres is...every genre has clicky things that are repeated however evolution is taking place in alot of forms in our genre and I'm beyond happy to be able to be apart of it and watch it grow. It's weird that a guy from outside our genre is almost gatekeeping in the sense of trying to keep people from listening to it. 🤷
My Gen X joke landed flat, a bit of inside baseball. You couldn't possibly come up with a better example than Divide & Dissolve, who I've covered. I regret briefly becoming the noise, but I don't regret representing and giving a platform for the incredible art that is Stoner/Doom. Thanks for taking the time, and again, I hit vociferously and frequently against generational abuse. Making the comment out of context was not my best approach, but it does raise the issue.
@@patricknewman9659 my issue stems around his wanting his cake and eating it too. Saying “hey no judgement” and then being a judgmental child unwilling to consider someone else’s personal tastes or life experiences. I’m not judging him as a man, but this singular moment is a bad look. He is speaking with authority about a subject he clearly has no knowledge in, and worse, that knowledge is highly biased. There is a reason I will never cover death metal history when I write for clean and sober stoner.
@@ReverendFuzzcut exactly man. I think all of Death core, grind, etc. is identical. Which it's fine! It doesn't speak to me, however I'm not gonna spend 30 minutes making personal stabs at the musicians who create it. They make what they make and it's not for me and that's totally cool, they are still probably decent people, intellectual, creative people and their outlet and what I perceive just doesn't apply 🤷
Yeah, we don't cover it because of that issue. I don't like it, and I don't know about it, but I do respect the audience enough not to take swipes at it
I have seen several of Finn's videos, and I really don't like his material. He leaves out certain points and as well as get some them wrong. I especially disagreed with his "Butt-Rock" video, and as someone who lived in Washington state during the 90's, he has the term WRONG. I can see why people don't like his videos, especially when specific key points are either altered or omitted altogether. He also comes of "Matter of Factly" which rubs people the wrong way, especially when he's the one who is wrong.
He has to read the def off wikipedia, why does anyone who cares about this genre care about his opinion other than to jovially chuckle at this guy? But hey, I have no idea what I'm talking about ever. I bet this cat can't name three songs. nyucknyucknyuck So cute, his opinions are so cute. It's kind of precious. By the way, the years of 1967-1972 ARE HUGE those years were wild, you look at the time line and you're going beatles, hendrix, zeppelin, sabbath, omg the timeline matters so so so much. (Also, suck it, Rings of Power.)
I like Finn and how cohesive and direct he can be on various topics but I feel that sometimes his opinions only makes sense for him self, and that's ok, but when you have a large audience, you should pick the subject matter that you have at least some level of knowledge to speak about. There are so many great stoner bands and even more amazing bands that has stoner influences in their sound... Komatsu (Netherlands), Earthless and Red Fang (USA), Kadavar (Germany) are some of the ones that I saw live in recent years here in Brazil and they are all great and different from each other! Actually I also saw Eye Hate God live, but I prefer doom over sludge. Loved to find your channel, keep it up. Cheers!
i just think it's a bit weak and lazy to do a video reviewing a genre without actually researching it. it's low effort and kind of goes to the quantity over quality thing i am seeing a lot of.
Finn seems to try to speak with authority about a genre he clearly doesn’t have enough knowledge about. That’s okay. I’ve certainly done that with death metal when I was drunk and talking out my ass years ago. I kinda feel bad for him though, because this is caught on camera. Forever. I tend to agree with his concerns about the imagery associated, however this is where he lost me. When he tried to stereotype the fans as “old, fat burnouts,” I realized he has very, very little experience with this genre. Some of the most amazing artists - not just musicians- I’ve ever met came from this scene. Some of the smartest have. To try to dumb us down into a stereotype to fit his argument is childish and misleading. It’s the same kind of tactics racists and homophobes use, just not as serious obviously. Overall, Finn’s video has reinforced my reasoning behind why Clean and Sober Stoner is one of only four channels I will watch on UA-cam. Oh, and hey EHG is my therapy :) helps to know someone else has gone through some shit. All the confederate flags and shit they flew is uncool af, I will admit that. Edit: also, how tf is he not seeing how DIY and punk this is? Stoner Doom is basically side 2 to My War by Black Flag jfc. It’s not hard to see!
@@ReverendFuzzcut the punk music from that time period had an enormous influence on music. Black Flag and Flipper were like the beginnings of what sludge was to become. A great pre-cursor. Discharge was even stranger. At a time where punkers and metal heads were enemies, Discharge dropped "Here Nothing, See Nothing, Say Nothing" and changed everything by bridging that divide with their sound. Their influence on metal is almost impossible to calculate.
@@garylavintman8206 oh for sure man!! Black Flag and Flipper were so ahead of the game, and then Melvins came along to beat everyone down with a sledge hammer haha
I’m not familiar with Finn. This is my first viewing of him. I find him very dismissive of an entire HUGE part of the metal community. I get that maybe stoner or doom metal isn’t his thing, but don’t shit on people who it is. To randomly mistake facts, like the song titles and then not clarify just saying “whatever” to me makes it seem he feels he is above it. The moment you read it off Wikipedia, I knew he had no idea what he is talking about. He simply should not have done the video. There are some subgenres I do not particularly like, but I would rather explore and see if maybe there is something similar I do. Such a narrow minded viewpoint.
As someone who only got into stoner rock after James lavelle rocked up at chris goss's studio to record "war stories" for unkle, I sort of get where he's coming from, what you got to remember is finn is from the vegan reich/earth crisis camp for him the sleep guys etc were seen as burn outs. Just thinking of the cultural divide in the scene.
In my opinion, it all comes down to music preference. If you asked me about Nu-Metal I would likely use most of the same talking points. Boring, repetitive, no lyric content, it all sounds the same, frat boy jams, etc. Yet, the nu-fan may disagree. Had he made this video with a full steam ahead breakdown of his choosing, it may be a different story. This seemed like a fan request and he obliged. So, his disclaimer covers most of the points that are off base, imo. Nothing here seemed like a personal attack. Only preference. That’s my hot take from a fat, bearded dude! 😂
If someone said this in any of the previous comments that i haven't read, i apologize. But, to elaborate on what you said about bands or band members not being stoners, but still make the music and are passionate about it. Bongripper are a sober band, and i love them. I was lucky to have found a vinyl copy of "Miserable" at McKay's a couple months ago. So, yeah. You don't have to be a stoner to enjoy the culture. I really liked this video, Scott. Finn can keep his opinions to himself when it comes to our music of choice. I listened to Lowrider's Refractions earlier today at work. Love them and super stoked for the Elephant Tree split. Ok, I'm stoned and rambling. Have an amazing weekend, everyone 🔥🤘
I will be honest I am more into punk than stoner and not sure if its the case in the US but here in the UK you have a few stoner bands who have an audience who very much not just your stoner rock "crowd" Orange goblin for instance because of their heavy motorhead influence have a big punk rock following at their shows, same with uncle acid and the deadbeats due to the big detroit garage rock influences on their sound, as with my previous comment I'm just trying to rationalise where finn could be coming from.
Thanks for listening to Finn on that point. Personally, I'm very un punk. I might actually do a video on why I am for the most part anti-punk. But that's just me, and most of the people I know in the scene here in the states are into punk, in one form or another. The two scenes are actually very similar in a lot of ways. Excellent point! Hope you come back for more of our stuff.🤘🏻
Anyone who thinks that there's not enough craftsmanship, dynamics, variation and melodies in stoner metal should listen to the last few Elder albums, it's not true that they're just "recycled Sabbath riffs", not that it's true for all the other stoner metal bands either, but it's especially not true for Elder. I like Finn Mckenty's meta-commentary sometimes, but every time he talks about my favorite metal genres like prog metal or death metal he shows a lot of ignorance.
I played in two doom/stoner bands in the early 00's, and I quit because I got heart sick of playing with bands that just re-hashed Sabbath riffs and invoked that era as a substitute for thought, care or originality in thier music. There were some great bands, like Dark Castle, Worship, Mournful Congregation, Hierophant etc, but for every one that was pushing the sonic envelope, there was a St. Vitus clone, cranking out the ooooh yeah yeahs! in thier charity shop flares. I still dip into the scene from time to time, but not much has changed since I walked away from it.
There's a lot of good in this genre, but it feels like for every innovative project, there's four 'Dopewitch of the Weedbong' bands to wade through...so I sympathize with Finn to some extent. Also when I was a teenager, the only stonery bands I could get into were QOTSA, Priestess and ASG because their hooks were so strong and they changed tempo frequently. Kyuss seemed longwinded and lame to me back then, by comparison. So when Finn says the genre is dull or lacks dynamics, young me would have agreed with him wholeheartedly.
Literally never heard of the guy. I've partaken in Stoner Doom since my highschool days. I grew up listening to this stuff side by side with Grindcore and Pink Floyd. At the end of the day, he's just a loser poser like most of these "metal" youtube review guys. Also, no mention of Electric Wizard? Besides for SLEEP and Kyuss, they are the pinnacle of stoner doom.
@@cleanandsoberstoner1 Not really. I try to avoid being involved in that side of youtube in the first place, but I saw your video in the recommended section and it caught my attention. Ended up watching a few more videos from him, just to make sure I wasn't jumping the gun on calling him that. I wasn't. And with someone like Anthony Fantano, as much as I don't like his political views and sometimes bad takes, I wouldn't call him a poser. He knows about the music he's listening to and reviewing and generally has info to back up his opinions on the music.
People assumed Zappa was on drugs when they heard his music, but if they had heard even one of his interviews they'd know he despised drugs and alcohol. Why is it so difficult to think that "druggy" sounding music has to be written by people on drugs? It takes a lot of work to practice constantly, write, record and play live music. Almost like its a job.
Bloody Hell you really glazed him up in that intro. Props for being completely open about your fanboy status though. Not a fan of Finn, don't find him that influential at all in the heavy music scene, and certainly not a fan of Ronnie Radke, so I'll I'll agree that this video is probably not for me.
@cleanandsoberstoner1 haha I think maybe so. I'm not familiar with your channel or vibe, I was just curious what McKenty had to say about this genre that I love that necessitated a response. A couple of minutes in and I realized I don't want to know what he said. I don't want to spend any more time listening to that guy. I'd rather put on some music. New Slomosa playing right now. Cheers.
Cool video! And thanks for your insights. Yeah, Finn doesn’t do the genre of stoner rock and stoner doom any justice here. It comes across as narrow-minded and simplistic. There are so many amazing and interesting bands out there experimenting with the formula at the moment. Elephant Tree, adding in shoegaze and folk. Messa, adding in doomjazz and black metal. Or Black Moon Mother, adding in dance and triphop elements. It’s there, but you gotta dig deeper. That goes for any genre. Where I do heavily agree with him is concerning the overplayed and overwrought imagery and themes of drugs, mammoths, witches, dope, green, lung etc etc. When I see a band with the aforementioned terms, I roll my eyes a little bit. We need some new influences on that front for sure. As a vocalist in a stoner band (Cervus, check us out wink wink), I do think about tackling other subject matter, and I guess I want to approach it from a more personal, emotional angle. But to each his or her own, of course, but being mindful of these tropes is a good thing and can help in creating new and fresh ideas.
@@patricknewman9659teach me your ways, sensei. I feel like I’m permanently fueled by unhinged rage lol. But that’s what the sludge and black metal end of the spectrum is for🤷🏻♂️
@@patricknewman9659 haha I was mostly joking. I’m definitely better than I used to be without question. Learning a lot from Tibetan Buudhists and how powerful drone music can be to calm the psyche was incredibly helpful
i've found Finn often times just gives an easily disprovable opinion on a thing and just keeps going forward. there is a bit too much info missing. too many puzzling ascensions of fairly mediocre bands. truncation all around
The original classic: ua-cam.com/video/j8reFcun6wE/v-deo.htmlsi=7CBAFnwSGKdQATv3
Dude plays a High on Fire song - "It's not for me". The part he's playing sounds exactly like his youtube intro music.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Finn is such a bellend
Am I triggered? No not really, I do find it irritating that someone made a video nitpicking a genre without proper research? Of course.
I honestly feel sorry for the guy for having such a closed mind and assuming that “stoner doom” is filled to the brim with untalented drug addicted Neanderthals.
Scott I give you a solid 5 out of 5 for the great commentary.
Guy with the hat I give you 2 points for making a video about “stoner doom” but deduct 5 points for lack of reach on said topic.
Thanks for playing and better luck next time 🤘
Bemused, really, by this.
Finn’s opinions on metal are basic at best, biased at worst. And VERY uninformed. Gimme a break! 🙄
I’ve stated so much on his videos. I don’t pay, so I couldn’t hope to be challenged. 🤷
He knows marketing. Music, not so much 🥸
The "lack of songwriting" comment is the whole point of his video. I kind of get it, as I've gotten a bit burned out on dime a dozen riffs and harsh vocals getting rehashed. That said some of my favorite songs, riffs and vocalists of all time are in this genre, not even counting Sabbath. For every generic stoner band there is an All Them Witches, King Buffalo, Acid Bath, or Cathedral. I loved this music before I ever tried weed and I still love it now that Im sober.
Without this I never would have remained sober! My #1 therapy!
That video popped up in my feed when it first came out. I remember laughing a lot as I listened to him. Finn's take on this genre is done entirely from the perspective of someone who knows next to nothing about it. Quoting Wikipedia for info on anything, but especially this genre isn't going to endear you to anyone. About the only thing I agree with him about is the associated imagery with stoner doom. It can be overly cliche with tons of bands leaning into it for whatever reason. But the music has evolved so much over the last 30 years, it barely feels like the same genre that produced Kyuss and Sleep. Hints of it here and there, but there is way more psychedelic influences to be found now. And Psych is a much broader based genre, so the influences have way more variety these days. I can't understand what possessed him to make an opinion video on a genre of music that he is woefully ignorant of? It really comes off more like trolling than an actual take. He should have at least done a little homework first. And he should have watched how often he contradicted himself before posting it.
Thanks! That's why I posted this, and I hope you come back🤘🏻
I can confidently state that I am Gen X & not remotely jealous or envious of Boomers or Millennials. This is exactly the blanket statement stuff from both sides that is beyond annoying. I find it nauseating yet hysterical the people that have zero clue what it takes to create music have so much to say about it especially regarding process. I have many songs in this genre & my songs have NOTHING to do with weed or alcohol. His attack on dudes addicted to fuzz pedals being boring is kinda accurate but that represents a small sliver of the bands in this genre. There is a lot going on conceptually with a lot of bands & hybriding other seemingly disparate genres. One of the best Doom bands going is Divide & Dissolve. NOTHING to do with drugs. I love the idea of being a sober musician that makes music that sounds like I would have to be on drugs. End Rant
@@thearchetypecrimes the entire album from my band my lyrics were based off my near death experience with my alcoholism and getting sober...that guy seems to have a god complex about how important his voice about genres is...every genre has clicky things that are repeated however evolution is taking place in alot of forms in our genre and I'm beyond happy to be able to be apart of it and watch it grow. It's weird that a guy from outside our genre is almost gatekeeping in the sense of trying to keep people from listening to it. 🤷
My Gen X joke landed flat, a bit of inside baseball. You couldn't possibly come up with a better example than Divide & Dissolve, who I've covered. I regret briefly becoming the noise, but I don't regret representing and giving a platform for the incredible art that is Stoner/Doom.
Thanks for taking the time, and again, I hit vociferously and frequently against generational abuse. Making the comment out of context was not my best approach, but it does raise the issue.
@@patricknewman9659 my issue stems around his wanting his cake and eating it too. Saying “hey no judgement” and then being a judgmental child unwilling to consider someone else’s personal tastes or life experiences.
I’m not judging him as a man, but this singular moment is a bad look. He is speaking with authority about a subject he clearly has no knowledge in, and worse, that knowledge is highly biased.
There is a reason I will never cover death metal history when I write for clean and sober stoner.
@@ReverendFuzzcut exactly man. I think all of Death core, grind, etc. is identical. Which it's fine! It doesn't speak to me, however I'm not gonna spend 30 minutes making personal stabs at the musicians who create it. They make what they make and it's not for me and that's totally cool, they are still probably decent people, intellectual, creative people and their outlet and what I perceive just doesn't apply 🤷
Yeah, we don't cover it because of that issue. I don't like it, and I don't know about it, but I do respect the audience enough not to take swipes at it
I have seen several of Finn's videos, and I really don't like his material. He leaves out certain points and as well as get some them wrong. I especially disagreed with his "Butt-Rock" video, and as someone who lived in Washington state during the 90's, he has the term WRONG.
I can see why people don't like his videos, especially when specific key points are either altered or omitted altogether. He also comes of "Matter of Factly" which rubs people the wrong way, especially when he's the one who is wrong.
He has to read the def off wikipedia, why does anyone who cares about this genre care about his opinion other than to jovially chuckle at this guy? But hey, I have no idea what I'm talking about ever.
I bet this cat can't name three songs. nyucknyucknyuck So cute, his opinions are so cute. It's kind of precious. By the way, the years of 1967-1972 ARE HUGE those years were wild, you look at the time line and you're going beatles, hendrix, zeppelin, sabbath, omg the timeline matters so so so much. (Also, suck it, Rings of Power.)
Lol
I like Finn and how cohesive and direct he can be on various topics but I feel that sometimes his opinions only makes sense for him self, and that's ok, but when you have a large audience, you should pick the subject matter that you have at least some level of knowledge to speak about. There are so many great stoner bands and even more amazing bands that has stoner influences in their sound... Komatsu (Netherlands), Earthless and Red Fang (USA), Kadavar (Germany) are some of the ones that I saw live in recent years here in Brazil and they are all great and different from each other! Actually I also saw Eye Hate God live, but I prefer doom over sludge. Loved to find your channel, keep it up. Cheers!
Thanks, dude!
i just think it's a bit weak and lazy to do a video reviewing a genre without actually researching it. it's low effort and kind of goes to the quantity over quality thing i am seeing a lot of.
That's the irony of it. Always good to hear from ya!!! 🙏🏻
Finn seems to try to speak with authority about a genre he clearly doesn’t have enough knowledge about. That’s okay. I’ve certainly done that with death metal when I was drunk and talking out my ass years ago. I kinda feel bad for him though, because this is caught on camera. Forever.
I tend to agree with his concerns about the imagery associated, however this is where he lost me. When he tried to stereotype the fans as “old, fat burnouts,” I realized he has very, very little experience with this genre.
Some of the most amazing artists - not just musicians- I’ve ever met came from this scene. Some of the smartest have. To try to dumb us down into a stereotype to fit his argument is childish and misleading. It’s the same kind of tactics racists and homophobes use, just not as serious obviously.
Overall, Finn’s video has reinforced my reasoning behind why Clean and Sober Stoner is one of only four channels I will watch on UA-cam.
Oh, and hey EHG is my therapy :) helps to know someone else has gone through some shit. All the confederate flags and shit they flew is uncool af, I will admit that.
Edit: also, how tf is he not seeing how DIY and punk this is? Stoner Doom is basically side 2 to My War by Black Flag jfc. It’s not hard to see!
Isn’t My War credited as early sludge?
@@malkasianmusesI personally consider it the moment sludge was created. Lots of others do too
@@ReverendFuzzcut the punk music from that time period had an enormous influence on music. Black Flag and Flipper were like the beginnings of what sludge was to become. A great pre-cursor. Discharge was even stranger. At a time where punkers and metal heads were enemies, Discharge dropped "Here Nothing, See Nothing, Say Nothing" and changed everything by bridging that divide with their sound. Their influence on metal is almost impossible to calculate.
@@garylavintman8206 oh for sure man!! Black Flag and Flipper were so ahead of the game, and then Melvins came along to beat everyone down with a sledge hammer haha
I’m not familiar with Finn. This is my first viewing of him. I find him very dismissive of an entire HUGE part of the metal community. I get that maybe stoner or doom metal isn’t his thing, but don’t shit on people who it is.
To randomly mistake facts, like the song titles and then not clarify just saying “whatever” to me makes it seem he feels he is above it.
The moment you read it off Wikipedia, I knew he had no idea what he is talking about. He simply should not have done the video.
There are some subgenres I do not particularly like, but I would rather explore and see if maybe there is something similar I do. Such a narrow minded viewpoint.
Thanks for weighing in!
@@MetalInstituteofThrashology Facts.
@@cleanandsoberstoner1 thanks for fact checking. His take was terrible!
Deicide and Sepultura is dad rock now LMAO!
30+ years later, these may actually be “Grandad Rock” 😂
Nah, Nu-metal and mall emo are dad rock, in Finn's own words, and I agree 🤣
Finn gets his information from his opinions. 👋
As someone who only got into stoner rock after James lavelle rocked up at chris goss's studio to record "war stories" for unkle, I sort of get where he's coming from, what you got to remember is finn is from the vegan reich/earth crisis camp for him the sleep guys etc were seen as burn outs. Just thinking of the cultural divide in the scene.
Outstanding point!!! 🤘🏻
In my opinion, it all comes down to music preference. If you asked me about Nu-Metal I would likely use most of the same talking points. Boring, repetitive, no lyric content, it all sounds the same, frat boy jams, etc. Yet, the nu-fan may disagree.
Had he made this video with a full steam ahead breakdown of his choosing, it may be a different story. This seemed like a fan request and he obliged. So, his disclaimer covers most of the points that are off base, imo.
Nothing here seemed like a personal attack. Only preference.
That’s my hot take from a fat, bearded dude! 😂
How is he wrong about so many things?
Yeah. It kinda hurt
I had to delete my comment man 😂 this is way too narrow-minded of an individual to exhaust my energy into. Much love dude 🤘
This hit you hard. I'm slightly surprised by that, and wish you didn't delete your thoughts. But I respect your choice
If you want respect, ya gotta get your facts straight. C'mon Finn.
Indeed
Finn's entertaining. His opinions are kinda trash, but he's entitled to them. He should really try listening with an open mind for once.
Couldn't agree more!
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If someone said this in any of the previous comments that i haven't read, i apologize. But, to elaborate on what you said about bands or band members not being stoners, but still make the music and are passionate about it. Bongripper are a sober band, and i love them. I was lucky to have found a vinyl copy of "Miserable" at McKay's a couple months ago. So, yeah. You don't have to be a stoner to enjoy the culture. I really liked this video, Scott. Finn can keep his opinions to himself when it comes to our music of choice. I listened to Lowrider's Refractions earlier today at work. Love them and super stoked for the Elephant Tree split. Ok, I'm stoned and rambling. Have an amazing weekend, everyone 🔥🤘
Well stated!!!🤘🏻
I will be honest I am more into punk than stoner and not sure if its the case in the US but here in the UK you have a few stoner bands who have an audience who very much not just your stoner rock "crowd" Orange goblin for instance because of their heavy motorhead influence have a big punk rock following at their shows, same with uncle acid and the deadbeats due to the big detroit garage rock influences on their sound, as with my previous comment I'm just trying to rationalise where finn could be coming from.
Thanks for listening to Finn on that point. Personally, I'm very un punk. I might actually do a video on why I am for the most part anti-punk. But that's just me, and most of the people I know in the scene here in the states are into punk, in one form or another. The two scenes are actually very similar in a lot of ways. Excellent point! Hope you come back for more of our stuff.🤘🏻
Anyone who thinks that there's not enough craftsmanship, dynamics, variation and melodies in stoner metal should listen to the last few Elder albums, it's not true that they're just "recycled Sabbath riffs", not that it's true for all the other stoner metal bands either, but it's especially not true for Elder.
I like Finn Mckenty's meta-commentary sometimes, but every time he talks about my favorite metal genres like prog metal or death metal he shows a lot of ignorance.
Well put! I try not to overuse Elder, but I think I need to lean into them more. My favorite band of the past 13 years or so!
Cant stand the poser mba. Ive caught him giving incorrect information a few times. Pretentious isnt even the word for him.
Thanks for watching!!! I agree what we should be as well informed as we can 🤘🏻
I played in two doom/stoner bands in the early 00's, and I quit because I got heart sick of playing with bands that just re-hashed Sabbath riffs and invoked that era as a substitute for thought, care or originality in thier music. There were some great bands, like Dark Castle, Worship, Mournful Congregation, Hierophant etc, but for every one that was pushing the sonic envelope, there was a St. Vitus clone, cranking out the ooooh yeah yeahs! in thier charity shop flares. I still dip into the scene from time to time, but not much has changed since I walked away from it.
Thanks for dropping in! Personally, I think the scene has developed way beyond the St Vitus clones...
@@cleanandsoberstoner1 it has, to a degree, but that sabbath/vitus worship still lingers.
There's a lot of good in this genre, but it feels like for every innovative project, there's four 'Dopewitch of the Weedbong' bands to wade through...so I sympathize with Finn to some extent. Also when I was a teenager, the only stonery bands I could get into were QOTSA, Priestess and ASG because their hooks were so strong and they changed tempo frequently. Kyuss seemed longwinded and lame to me back then, by comparison. So when Finn says the genre is dull or lacks dynamics, young me would have agreed with him wholeheartedly.
Thanks for the feedback. I have to admit that I like the Dopewitch of the Weedbong bands though...
Literally never heard of the guy. I've partaken in Stoner Doom since my highschool days. I grew up listening to this stuff side by side with Grindcore and Pink Floyd. At the end of the day, he's just a loser poser like most of these "metal" youtube review guys. Also, no mention of Electric Wizard? Besides for SLEEP and Kyuss, they are the pinnacle of stoner doom.
Do you think a non-poser metal channel can make it on UA-cam?
@@cleanandsoberstoner1 Not really. I try to avoid being involved in that side of youtube in the first place, but I saw your video in the recommended section and it caught my attention. Ended up watching a few more videos from him, just to make sure I wasn't jumping the gun on calling him that. I wasn't. And with someone like Anthony Fantano, as much as I don't like his political views and sometimes bad takes, I wouldn't call him a poser. He knows about the music he's listening to and reviewing and generally has info to back up his opinions on the music.
People assumed Zappa was on drugs when they heard his music, but if they had heard even one of his interviews they'd know he despised drugs and alcohol. Why is it so difficult to think that "druggy" sounding music has to be written by people on drugs? It takes a lot of work to practice constantly, write, record and play live music. Almost like its a job.
Bloody Hell you really glazed him up in that intro. Props for being completely open about your fanboy status though. Not a fan of Finn, don't find him that influential at all in the heavy music scene, and certainly not a fan of Ronnie Radke, so I'll I'll agree that this video is probably not for me.
Oh man. The influence thing was a joke. Mighta been too subtle on that one...
@cleanandsoberstoner1 haha I think maybe so. I'm not familiar with your channel or vibe, I was just curious what McKenty had to say about this genre that I love that necessitated a response. A couple of minutes in and I realized I don't want to know what he said. I don't want to spend any more time listening to that guy. I'd rather put on some music. New Slomosa playing right now. Cheers.
Cool video! And thanks for your insights. Yeah, Finn doesn’t do the genre of stoner rock and stoner doom any justice here. It comes across as narrow-minded and simplistic.
There are so many amazing and interesting bands out there experimenting with the formula at the moment. Elephant Tree, adding in shoegaze and folk. Messa, adding in doomjazz and black metal. Or Black Moon Mother, adding in dance and triphop elements. It’s there, but you gotta dig deeper. That goes for any genre.
Where I do heavily agree with him is concerning the overplayed and overwrought imagery and themes of drugs, mammoths, witches, dope, green, lung etc etc. When I see a band with the aforementioned terms, I roll my eyes a little bit. We need some new influences on that front for sure.
As a vocalist in a stoner band (Cervus, check us out wink wink), I do think about tackling other subject matter, and I guess I want to approach it from a more personal, emotional angle. But to each his or her own, of course, but being mindful of these tropes is a good thing and can help in creating new and fresh ideas.
Thanks, dude. We're trying to cover more of the newer, experimental stuff. Expect something on Harjo soon: I think you'll like it
Gawd this was a great reminder of why I don’t watch Finn’s content anymore.
I get it!
Finn who?
Eh, Finns ok, gnome is cool.
Eyehate God was my therapy after getting hit by a truck and all of the goodness that came afterwards.. you can be straight edge,don't be a dick.
Quote of the day 🤘🏻
Let's now turn on to micro analyzing our favorite blogger here 😂 did anyone notice that he said Betelgeuse only twice 😂
Diverting with humor...🤘🏻😁🙏🏻 of course I only said it twice!
@@cleanandsoberstoner1 😂 I can only remain negative for a maximum of 15 minutes then I'm back...and only in 6 months intervals 😂
@@patricknewman9659teach me your ways, sensei. I feel like I’m permanently fueled by unhinged rage lol.
But that’s what the sludge and black metal end of the spectrum is for🤷🏻♂️
@@ReverendFuzzcut that's a long winded conversation brother 😂 but I have a few years of reconfiguring my brain to utilize sitting on a situation 😂🤘
@@patricknewman9659 haha I was mostly joking. I’m definitely better than I used to be without question. Learning a lot from Tibetan Buudhists and how powerful drone music can be to calm the psyche was incredibly helpful
i've found Finn often times just gives an easily disprovable opinion on a thing and just keeps going forward. there is a bit too much info missing. too many puzzling ascensions of fairly mediocre bands. truncation all around
Indeed!